So I guess if we really wanted to fuck Activision

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#1 Posted by Leptok (942 posts) -
http://kotaku.com/5483798/guess-which-three-games-help-keep-activision-afloat?skyline=true&s=i
  
 
Stop sucking on the teet of their franchises.
#2 Posted by luce (4045 posts) -

How can I fuck Activision without groping its massive breasts?

#3 Posted by Kyreo (4602 posts) -

or we can steal Modern Warfare 3 instead of pay for it.  I personally Hate Activision w/ a passion, but I love Infinity ward so Im game for anything that is anti-activision.

#4 Posted by AjayRaz (12476 posts) -
@Kyreo said:
" or we can steal Modern Warfare 3 instead of pay for it.  I personally Hate Activision w/ a passion, but I love Infinity ward so Im game for anything that is anti-activision. "
this
#5 Posted by Hamz (6846 posts) -

Why do we want to screw Activision over?
 
Also the fact 98% of Blizzard's revenue comes from World of Warcraft astounds me.

#6 Posted by Leptok (942 posts) -
@Hamz:  They are being too ruthless. If your business practice is making your company a gigantic dick, then you can go fuck yourself.
 
 
As for blizzard yeah it's kind of frightening actually.
#7 Posted by RsistncE (4496 posts) -

MW2 sucks, World of Warcraft sucks, Guitar Hero sucks and Starcraft 2 doesn't look all too great in the context of 2010. Bobby Kotick can go fuck himself with his chode. Oh, wait...

#8 Posted by Hamz (6846 posts) -
@Leptok: My mind is blown, I guess we agree to disagree?
#9 Posted by Ututu222 (102 posts) -

It's not terribly surprising that 98% of Blizzard's revenue comes from WoW, considering it's been over 5 years since they released anything non-WoW.

#10 Posted by WillyLo (302 posts) -

Only reason I buy Activision products are because of Infinity Ward and Blizzard... but with the recent stuff going on at IW that might change :O. But Blizzard still has a calling to me :S.

#11 Posted by AndrewB (7689 posts) -
@Ututu222:  That's pretty much exactly what I was going to say. It's been a long drought for those of us non-MMO players.
#12 Posted by MAN_FLANNEL (2462 posts) -

Yeah, or I could just play video games, because honestly, I hardly give a shit.

#13 Posted by animateria (3265 posts) -
@WillyLo said:
" Only reason I buy Activision products are because of Infinity Ward and Blizzard... but with the recent stuff going on at IW that might change :O. But Blizzard still has a calling to me :S. "
Well, it's not Blizzards fault that they are associated with Activision. 
 
It was Vivendi's intention to 'share the bed' with Activision, and they just decided to slap on Blizzards name because they have a superb reputation within Vivendi.
 
Of  course, saying Activision Blizzard is just, it's a shit stain on Blizzards clean white shirt.
#14 Posted by MattyFTM (14432 posts) -
@Hamz said:
"Also the fact 98% of Blizzard's revenue comes from World of Warcraft astounds me. "
Once you actually think about it, it makes sense. $15 a month from over 10 million people soon mounts up. And even though their customer support & server maintenance costs are going to be substantial, I'm sure it they still make a decent profit from it too.
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#15 Posted by Fallen189 (5052 posts) -
@MAN_FLANNEL said:
" Yeah, or I could just play video games, because honestly, I hardly give a shit. "

#16 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Hamz said:
" @Leptok: My mind is blown, I guess we agree to disagree? "
So why are we mad at them? Cause From what I see..the more game compines we " Hate" The fewer and fewer games we have to pick from. 
#17 Posted by Ututu222 (102 posts) -
@AndrewB: Yes, it has. Hope Starcraft II turns out alright.
 
@MattyFTM: Plus they have all those micro-transactions. I'm pretty sure it doesn't cost $15 worth of resources for them to transfer a character from one server to the other.
#18 Posted by zudthespud (3284 posts) -

You want to stop buying Activision games then go for it, I don't anyway. You will not be missed, their titles sell millions.

#19 Posted by Jeust (10858 posts) -

Short lived success.

#20 Posted by Pie (7111 posts) -
@Fallen189 said:
" @MAN_FLANNEL said:
" Yeah, or I could just play video games, because honestly, I hardly give a shit. "
"
(I never thought i'd agree with either of you :P)
#21 Posted by swamplord666 (1763 posts) -

If people  stopped buying GH and COD games i'd be happy. I don't want the Activisio business practice to catch on. 
Blizzard is alright of course ;)

#22 Edited by roofy (1005 posts) -
@Leptok said:

" @Hamz:  They are being too ruthless. If your business practice is making your company a gigantic dick, then you can go fuck yourself.   As for blizzard yeah it's kind of frightening actually. "

you have some of the worst logic ever.
 
In business, ruthlessness is a favorable trait.
 
and its not causing you any harm as a consumer, so its fair practice
#23 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -

Whatever, dudes. Tony Hawk's Ride is 2009's Game of the Year.

#24 Posted by Caddy (308 posts) -

No thanks. I would rather keep playing games I am interested in.

#25 Edited by mikeeegeee (1575 posts) -
@Hamz: What are you getting at? Companies are entitled to be as dickish and boorish as they want if it helps them survive? Survival of the fittest, capitalism stuff? Maybe from that perspective, that's accurate. But a lack of respect and morality, and a general shortsightedness shared by the executives of this nation have helped land us in the predicament we're in. I find it impossible to support Activision if this is true. Fuck, I find it impossible to support Activision anyway. It's been clear what their intentions have been for a long time now.
 
Anyway, people were guessing that it may be a PR stunt, maybe to do with the release of BF:BC2. Not sure whether or not anything's been confirmed to totally overrule that assertion, but I can't give it too much credit anyway. From our perspective, the timing of it all seems suspicious. From IW's perspective, provided this is real, the timing is just really unfortunate. The LAST thing they're thinking about right now is the release of someone else's game, but they know that's the connection a lot of people are going to make. Bummer, I hope it turns out to be fake. If not, I wish those guys the best of luck because they're really fucking talented. I sort of got the feeling they were being stifled by Activision, so I hope they can flourish elsewhere.
#26 Posted by blaze503 (189 posts) -

I have never got this fascination of gamers with small time game developers, yeah it is cool when like 5 guys make a game and it is alright but the best games come from big time studios and you know what those studios need, publishers. 
 
Seriously people need to stop being so anti-corporation, i know video games have taught us that they will take over the world but i don't think they ever reference activision doing so, they publish video games they don't make guns or anything. 
 
Buy the game if it is good, don't if it is shit. Answered

#27 Posted by ez123 (1997 posts) -

98%, fucken christ, Diablo III is never coming out.
 
I don't give a fuck about CoD or WoW but I might buy another Guitar Hero game at some point.  The only publisher I would hesitate buying from is EA multiplayer games because they always close servers.

#28 Posted by Leptok (942 posts) -
@roofy said:
" @Leptok said:

" @Hamz:  They are being too ruthless. If your business practice is making your company a gigantic dick, then you can go fuck yourself.   As for blizzard yeah it's kind of frightening actually. "

you have some of the worst logic ever.  In business, ruthlessness is a favorable trait.  and its not causing you any harm as a consumer, so its fair practice "
 
They are just doing so many things that a reprehensible that I can't stand it. There are ways to be successful without screwing everyone over. I get that they are a business. What I am saying is that if they want to go down the "Fuck it, lets be as evil as possible route," then  we have a right to go "Well screw you too, I'll take my business elsewhere."
#29 Posted by Hunkulese (2875 posts) -

I'm not really sure why this comes as a shock to anyone. Those are perhaps the three biggest videogame franchises right now so of course they're going to constitute a large portion of Activision's revenue. It doesn't mean they don't have other successful game franchises, but you can't really compare anything to World of Warcraft or call of Duty. I'm pretty sure you put those two franchises in any other developers library and they're going to account for most of the profits. 
 
I was actually kind of surprised that WoW only accounts for 98% of Blizzard's revenues. When you think of how much Blizzard is raking in every year that's a lot of Starcraft or Warcraft anthologies still being sold.

#30 Posted by Spacetrucking (946 posts) -

I would like to see how EA's profit are broken up. From a surface analysis, the biggest thing they have going is Madden and then a host of games that sell around 1-2 million copies (BioWare and other EA Sports titles being the standouts). Also, they have SWTOR in the making - that could be really big for them. I'm not an analyst but doesn't it look like EA has a more sustainable business model ?
 
Also, going forward...if you take out Blizzard, what really does Activision have ? The Call of Duty IP might lose it's value after another Treyarch title and they already ran the Hero series into the ground last year. They would be in big trouble if Blizzard decided to part ways with them.

#31 Edited by Jeust (10858 posts) -
@roofy said:

" @Leptok said:

" @Hamz:  They are being too ruthless. If your business practice is making your company a gigantic dick, then you can go fuck yourself.   As for blizzard yeah it's kind of frightening actually. "

you have some of the worst logic ever.  In business, ruthlessness is a favorable trait.  and its not causing you any harm as a consumer, so its fair practice "
Speak for yourself. Raising the price of games, taking power from the players, and supposedly making Battle.net paid is hardly not harming the consumer. Besides other dickish moves like terminating fan projects like the sequel made by fans of  King's Quest 8 cancelled. 
 
I don't care about Activision's products, and i feel happy that i don't endorse this kind of behaviour.
#32 Posted by CitizenKane (10508 posts) -
@RsistncE said:
" MW2 sucks, World of Warcraft sucks, Guitar Hero sucks and Starcraft 2 doesn't look all too great in the context of 2010. Bobby Kotick can go fuck himself with his chode. Oh, wait... "
Now tell us how you really feel.
#33 Posted by Leptok (942 posts) -
@blaze503:  But if you just blindly buy games and put up with what they want they'll find every way to make it as expensive as possible for the least amount of work on their end as possible. Less features, less control on our end, in the end less fun.
#34 Posted by Ubiquitous (571 posts) -
@MattyFTM said:
" @Hamz said:
"Also the fact 98% of Blizzard's revenue comes from World of Warcraft astounds me. "
Once you actually think about it, it makes sense. $15 a month from over 10 million people soon mounts up. And even though their customer support & server maintenance costs are going to be substantial, I'm sure it they still make a decent profit from it too. "
Also, you can't forget the fact that they haven't made anything BUT WoW products at any point in the past 9 years. Theres really nothing else for them to profit from.
#35 Posted by Mikemcn (7018 posts) -

If I stop buying Call of Duty I would most likely die of withdrawl, they got me hooked.... i can't go cold turkey now.
#36 Posted by Lind_L_Taylor (3966 posts) -
@Leptok said:
" @roofy said:
" @Leptok said:

" @Hamz:  They are being too ruthless. If your business practice is making your company a gigantic dick, then you can go fuck yourself.   As for blizzard yeah it's kind of frightening actually. "

you have some of the worst logic ever.  In business, ruthlessness is a favorable trait.  and its not causing you any harm as a consumer, so its fair practice "
 They are just doing so many things that a reprehensible that I can't stand it. There are ways to be successful without screwing everyone over. I get that they are a business. What I am saying is that if they want to go down the "Fuck it, lets be as evil as possible route," then  we have a right to go "Well screw you too, I'll take my business elsewhere." "
What evidence?  Cuz they killed King's Quest?  Hell, those guys can simply rename
everything & make their own King's Quest-inspired game.  Small time developers do it all 
the time.  Activision won't stop anything that has a demand to it, it'll just change its form
& go on with them.
#37 Posted by Red12b (9085 posts) -
@Hamz said:
" Why do we want to screw Activision over?  Also the fact 98% of Blizzard's revenue comes from World of Warcraft astounds me. "
It's fucking insane innit, To be so dependent on one franchise, I can see how, and I can see why it happened, but for them to let it happen. 
 
Once something, (Probably not for a long time though) takes everyone's minds off of WOW then they will be totally fucked. 
 
(98% fucking christ...)
#38 Posted by Leptok (942 posts) -
@Lind_L_Taylor:  Just the whole corporate vision for cut waste and flog every IP for as much money as possible. Of course "waste" means things like fun or new features or creative development. 
 
And the Kings Quest thing, that is why I don't like them. It was just a dick move, there was no good reason to shit on fans like that. What did they hope to accomplish? Yeah they have total iron fisted control of that IP again, but anyone who cared about the IP will just be pissed by this.
#39 Posted by Red12b (9085 posts) -
@CitizenKane said:

" @RsistncE said:

" MW2 sucks, World of Warcraft sucks, Guitar Hero sucks and Starcraft 2 doesn't look all too great in the context of 2010. Bobby Kotick can go fuck himself with his chode. Oh, wait... "
Now tell us how you really feel. "
#40 Posted by roofy (1005 posts) -
@Leptok said:
" @roofy said:
" @Leptok said:

" @Hamz:  They are being too ruthless. If your business practice is making your company a gigantic dick, then you can go fuck yourself.   As for blizzard yeah it's kind of frightening actually. "

you have some of the worst logic ever.  In business, ruthlessness is a favorable trait.  and its not causing you any harm as a consumer, so its fair practice "
 They are just doing so many things that a reprehensible that I can't stand it. There are ways to be successful without screwing everyone over. I get that they are a business. What I am saying is that if they want to go down the "Fuck it, lets be as evil as possible route," then  we have a right to go "Well screw you too, I'll take my business elsewhere." "
just because you cant stand their practices doesnt mean we have to fuck them over.
who are they screwing over? not the consumer because if that was the case then the consumer would go elsewhere. They dont have a monopoly, its simple economics.
 
@Jeust said:
" @roofy said:

" @Leptok said:

" @Hamz:  They are being too ruthless. If your business practice is making your company a gigantic dick, then you can go fuck yourself.   As for blizzard yeah it's kind of frightening actually. "

you have some of the worst logic ever.  In business, ruthlessness is a favorable trait.  and its not causing you any harm as a consumer, so its fair practice "
Speak for yourself. Raising the price of games, taking power from the players, and supposedly making Battle.net paid is hardly not harming the consumer. Besides other dickish moves like terminating fan projects like the sequel made by fans of  King's Quest 8 cancelled.  I don't care about Activision's products, and i feel happy that i don't endorse this kind of behaviour. "

This is business for them, their not in it to make friends. If the consumer didnt feel that the tradeoff for battle.net and IWnet was worth it, then they wouldnt buy it. They didnt force anyone to buy it, you have free will.
 
Terminating fan projects is something every company does. You dont see people complaining about Nintendo throwing C&D orders around.
The fact is that they own Intellectual Property and they need to make sure that they are not harmed in any way, out of their control.
 
People really seem to lose sight that this is a business now, not just fun and games
#41 Posted by FunExplosions (5407 posts) -

Just show me a hole, and we'll do business.

#42 Posted by Cheapoz (1064 posts) -
@MAN_FLANNEL said:
" Yeah, or I could just play video games, because honestly, I hardly give a shit. "
Bingo, I can't stand IW's smug attitude, and Activision run their business ruthlessly, but it's not going to stop me from saying MW2 was a good game.
#43 Posted by Leptok (942 posts) -
@roofy: The consumer will never go anywhere if you all sit around going "Nah it's cool dude." I don't want them to become some hippy nonprofit, but if there is no consumer pushback for the stuff that they do, it will just get worse and worse. I'm just saying I do not like thier business practices, therefore I will not support them.
#44 Edited by Jeust (10858 posts) -
@roofy said:

" @Leptok said:

" @roofy said:

" @Leptok said:

" @Hamz:  They are being too ruthless. If your business practice is making your company a gigantic dick, then you can go fuck yourself.   As for blizzard yeah it's kind of frightening actually. "

you have some of the worst logic ever.  In business, ruthlessness is a favorable trait.  and its not causing you any harm as a consumer, so its fair practice "
 They are just doing so many things that a reprehensible that I can't stand it. There are ways to be successful without screwing everyone over. I get that they are a business. What I am saying is that if they want to go down the "Fuck it, lets be as evil as possible route," then  we have a right to go "Well screw you too, I'll take my business elsewhere." "
just because you cant stand their practices doesnt mean we have to fuck them over.
who are they screwing over? not the consumer because if that was the case then the consumer would go elsewhere. They dont have a monopoly, its simple economics.
 

@Jeust

said:

" @roofy said:

" @Leptok said:

" @Hamz:  They are being too ruthless. If your business practice is making your company a gigantic dick, then you can go fuck yourself.   As for blizzard yeah it's kind of frightening actually. "

you have some of the worst logic ever.  In business, ruthlessness is a favorable trait.  and its not causing you any harm as a consumer, so its fair practice "
Speak for yourself. Raising the price of games, taking power from the players, and supposedly making Battle.net paid is hardly not harming the consumer. Besides other dickish moves like terminating fan projects like the sequel made by fans of  King's Quest 8 cancelled.  I don't care about Activision's products, and i feel happy that i don't endorse this kind of behaviour. "
This is business for them, their not in it to make friends. If the consumer didnt feel that the tradeoff for battle.net and IWnet was worth it, then they wouldnt buy it. They didnt force anyone to buy it, you have free will.  Terminating fan projects is something every company does. You dont see people complaining about Nintendo throwing C&D orders around. The fact is that they own Intellectual Property and they need to make sure that they are not harmed in any way, out of their control.   People really seem to lose sight that this is a business now, not just fun and games "
You are right, but i, as consumer, it is also my right not to endorse this practices. I'm in it for fun and games, as for any other diversion i have, if that is harmed i take myself elsewhere. As i do, any other gamer too. 
 
This is what Kotick, Activision and any other developer and publisher forget about this industry. We don't care much about their policies, but we care for our experiences with their products, and if they start pushing the consumers too much, they might find them somewhere they don't want to be. Savage capitalism is short sighted, as is Activision's success.
#45 Posted by super_machine (1931 posts) -

What and miss out on Guitar Hero Ratt?

#46 Posted by Hunkulese (2875 posts) -
@Red12b said:
" @Hamz said:
" Why do we want to screw Activision over?  Also the fact 98% of Blizzard's revenue comes from World of Warcraft astounds me. "
It's fucking insane innit, To be so dependent on one franchise, I can see how, and I can see why it happened, but for them to let it happen.  Once something, (Probably not for a long time though) takes everyone's minds off of WOW then they will be totally fucked.  (98% fucking christ...) "
I'm not sure if you've heard but Blizzard has a couple games that might sell a copy or two coming out.
#47 Posted by VWGTI (1919 posts) -

I'll only stop buying Activision games when they stop being good. What a company does behind the scenes is interesting but it doesn't affect my purchasing decisions.

#48 Posted by Symphony (1912 posts) -
@Hamz said:
" Also the fact 98% of Blizzard's revenue comes from World of Warcraft astounds me. "
I would practically assume that 98% goes without saying at this point considering anyone who ever had a desire to play their other franchises probably owns 2-3 copies of those games by now.
 
It's obvious the other 2% comes from their SNES titles like Lost Vikings and Rock n' Roll Racing.  ;P
#49 Posted by Leptok (942 posts) -
@VWGTI said:
" I'll only stop buying Activision games when they stop being good. What a company does behind the scenes is interesting but it doesn't affect my purchasing decisions. "
But it does, when they demand that games come out before they should, or with reduced features, or with ways to charge you more money for iffy addons etc.
#50 Posted by Breadfan (6590 posts) -

Activision may be doing some not so liked things, but people need to realize that it's a business. They are there to make money, not friends.

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