Rated M for strips of light that obscure genitals

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#1 Posted by Axersia (1615 posts) -

So it has finally happened. A JRPG pushed the nudity envelope too far and received an M-rating for it. After reading the ESRB description, I really don't see what the big deal is as it doesn't sound any worse than previous games in the series, but it looks like Ar tonelico Qoga will have the dubious honor of being the first M-rated JRPG based on nudity alone.
 
Anyway, here's the ESRB description:

This is a role-playing game in which players control a character named Aoto, an apprentice who becomes entangled in a three-way war on the fantastical planet of Ar Ciel. Players roam through towns and use swords and magical attacks to engage monsters and human-like enemies in hand-to-hand combat. Battles are accompanied by punches, kicks, colorful light effects, and loud cries of pain; enemies collapse or disappear in brief flashes of light when defeated. Some power moves cause female characters' clothes to vanish in layers; the characters are often depicted holding (covering) their breasts, wearing only underwear, or standing behind strips of light that obscure their genitals. In one cutscene, male characters encourage a woman to strip (e.g., "Uh . . . do I have to take off even more clothes…?" and "Quit teasing us and do it already!"); another sequence depicts a male character "removing" a magical crystal from a female character—this scene is accompanied by suggestive moans and comments (e.g., "Aoto's putting his hand inside Soma" and "Fumble around every inch inside of her . . . you will find what you're looking for . . . !"). One brief cutscene depicts a female character's exposed buttocks. The words "sh*t," "a*shole," and "b*tch," appear in the dialogue.

So does this make you more or less interested in the game? I was always planning to pick it up and I'm actually a little worried now they'll end up censoring it to get that T-rating. If so, I'll simply be unable to support the English version and will have to import the Japanese version instead. NIS America has already been doing a pretty shitty job on their recent localizations, and censorship just isn't something I can accept.
 
Because we all know this is what you really came here to see
#2 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

Plenty of shitty date sims are M rated.

#3 Posted by Skooky (473 posts) -

Aoto, an apprentice who becomes entangled in a three-way


 I think I found the real reason for the M rating.

#4 Edited by ryanwho (12082 posts) -
@Skooky said:

"

Aoto, an apprentice who becomes entangled in a three-way


 I think I found the real reason for the M rating.

"
Nono. All Gust games have a male hero in a harem and an embarrassing loli hottub scene. They make their games for very specific people. The kind of people who look at the floor when they're talking to someone.
#5 Posted by blackbird415 (777 posts) -

uummm take male hormones much? or is it a dude?!?!?!?!? I CANT TTTEEELLLLL!!!!! 
 
@Axersia said:


 
Because we all know this is what you really came here to see
"
#6 Posted by bartok (2455 posts) -

A game I will never play was rated "M".  What a bummer!!!

#7 Posted by Axersia (1615 posts) -
@ryanwho said:
" @Skooky said:

"

Aoto, an apprentice who becomes entangled in a three-way


 I think I found the real reason for the M rating.

"
Nono. All Gust games have a male hero in a harem and an embarrassing loli hottub scene. They make their games for very specific people. The kind of people who look at the floor when they're talking to someone. "
How is it you have so much insider info on this series and its fanbase? Closet fan, perhaps?
#8 Posted by Catolf (2653 posts) -

Because our Gamestop over here never ends up selling these games to anyone (but me strangly) I'll get this some time next month, I'm curious about the story and I've never played an Ar game before so I'm looking to try, I need more good games for my Ps3 reguardless.
 
@blackbird415 said:

" uummm take male hormones much? or is it a dude?!?!?!?!? I CANT TTTEEELLLLL!!!!! 
 
@Axersia said:

 
Because we all know this is what you really came here to see
"
"

Yes.. Yes it is.. Heyy sexeh thannnnngggg~!
#9 Posted by Terranova (585 posts) -

The game got a 12 rating in the UK  which just goes to show just how draconian the U.S can be at times when it comes to nudity and sexual innuendo.

#10 Posted by CmdrSheppard (202 posts) -
@blackbird415 said:
" uummm take male hormones much? or is it a dude?!?!?!?!? I CANT TTTEEELLLLL!!!!! 
 
@Axersia said:

 
Because we all know this is what you really came here to see
"
"
I think it's a dude
#11 Posted by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -
@Terranova said:
" The game got a 12 rating in the UK  which just goes to show just how draconian the U.S can be at times when it comes to nudity and sexual innuendo. "
Draconian? I can't figure out how these games didn't get an M rating in the first place.
#12 Edited by Terranova (585 posts) -
@LordAndrew said:

" @Terranova said:

" The game got a 12 rating in the UK  which just goes to show just how draconian the U.S can be at times when it comes to nudity and sexual innuendo. "
Draconian? I can't figure out how these games didn't get an M rating in the first place. "
And there you go, you have just proven my point, there is nothing in the game that warrants a U.S  M rating it's the attitude that some in the U.S have to nudity and sex which it seems you share that is the problem.   
#13 Posted by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -
@Terranova: I own Ar tonelico II, by the way.
#14 Posted by Hellequin (37 posts) -

Amusingly there is no actual nudity in the game.

#15 Posted by Demyx (3237 posts) -
@Terranova said:
" The game got a 12 rating in the UK  which just goes to show just how draconian the U.S can be at times when it comes to nudity and sexual innuendo. "
maybe the U.K is not draconian enough huh? yeah.
 
USA, USA, USA!!!
#16 Posted by SonicFire (821 posts) -

It's kinda funny though. Ar Tonelico has had some of the most infamously overt innuendo in gaming history. Hilarious, but yah.
#17 Posted by ch13696 (4582 posts) -

Hhhmmmm if you can post up actual chics besides that dude that likes to dress up as a chic, then I may be interested.

#18 Posted by Catolf (2653 posts) -
@ch13696 said:
" Hhhmmmm if you can post up actual chics besides that dude that likes to dress up as a chic, then I may be interested. "

Saki

Finnel
These girls can turn into three more girls so it's like having 8 girls! XD
#19 Posted by ch13696 (4582 posts) -
@Catolf said:
" @ch13696 said:
" Hhhmmmm if you can post up actual chics besides that dude that likes to dress up as a chic, then I may be interested. "

Saki

Finnel
These girls can turn into three more girls so it's like having 8 girls! XD "
Gonna buy it now. Hell, was most likely gonna buy it anyways. I have the first 2.
#20 Posted by kingzetta (4307 posts) -
@ryanwho said:
" @Skooky said:

"

Aoto, an apprentice who becomes entangled in a three-way


 I think I found the real reason for the M rating.

"
Nono. All Gust games have a male hero in a harem and an embarrassing loli hottub scene. They make their games for very specific people. The kind of people who look at the floor when they're talking to someone. "
I can vouch for this.
#21 Posted by luce (4045 posts) -
@ryanwho said:
" @Skooky said:

"

Aoto, an apprentice who becomes entangled in a three-way


 I think I found the real reason for the M rating.

"
Nono. All Gust games have a male hero in a harem and an embarrassing loli hottub scene. They make their games for very specific people. The kind of people who look at the floor when they're talking to someone. "
As a guy who can't stop looking at peoples shoes when in conversation I can confirm this man's statement.
#22 Posted by Leptok (942 posts) -

Soooo pics?

#23 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5138 posts) -
@Tarsier said:
"lol anime "

This
#24 Posted by Hyperfludd (373 posts) -

Just rented this as a part of a Journey of PS3 JRPGs I'm going on. Hopefully, this isn't as shitty as Neptunia or the others.

#25 Posted by Catolf (2653 posts) -
@Hyperfludd:  It actually has become quite enjoyable for me.
#26 Posted by Hailinel (24255 posts) -
@luce said:
" @ryanwho said:
" @Skooky said:

"

Aoto, an apprentice who becomes entangled in a three-way


 I think I found the real reason for the M rating.

"
Nono. All Gust games have a male hero in a harem and an embarrassing loli hottub scene. They make their games for very specific people. The kind of people who look at the floor when they're talking to someone. "
As a guy who can't stop looking at peoples shoes when in conversation I can confirm this man's statement. "
They make games for shoe fetishists?
Online
#28 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -
@Axersia said:
"
 
Because we all know this is what you really came here to see
"
Huston,we have lift off. 
He/she is sooooo hawt brah.
#29 Posted by CaptainCody (1505 posts) -
@Axersia said:
"So it has finally happened. A JRPG pushed the nudity envelope too far and received an M-rating for it. After reading the ESRB description, I really don't see what the big deal is as it doesn't sound any worse than previous games in the series, but it looks like Ar tonelico Qoga will have the dubious honor of being the first M-rated JRPG based on nudity alone.
 
Anyway, here's the ESRB description:

This is a role-playing game in which players control a character named Aoto, an apprentice who becomes entangled in a three-way war on the fantastical planet of Ar Ciel. Players roam through towns and use swords and magical attacks to engage monsters and human-like enemies in hand-to-hand combat. Battles are accompanied by punches, kicks, colorful light effects, and loud cries of pain; enemies collapse or disappear in brief flashes of light when defeated. Some power moves cause female characters' clothes to vanish in layers; the characters are often depicted holding (covering) their breasts, wearing only underwear, or standing behind strips of light that obscure their genitals. In one cutscene, male characters encourage a woman to strip (e.g., "Uh . . . do I have to take off even more clothes…?" and "Quit teasing us and do it already!"); another sequence depicts a male character "removing" a magical crystal from a female character—this scene is accompanied by suggestive moans and comments (e.g., "Aoto's putting his hand inside Soma" and "Fumble around every inch inside of her . . . you will find what you're looking for . . . !"). One brief cutscene depicts a female character's exposed buttocks. The words "sh*t," "a*shole," and "b*tch," appear in the dialogue.

So does this make you more or less interested in the game? I was always planning to pick it up and I'm actually a little worried now they'll end up censoring it to get that T-rating. If so, I'll simply be unable to support the English version and will have to import the Japanese version instead. NIS America has already been doing a pretty shitty job on their recent localizations, and censorship just isn't something I can accept.
 
Because we all know this is what you really came here to see
"

This game is borderline child pornography in some situations along with being thrown together with bad gameplay, so I both understand the M-rating and why the only people interested in picking it up have avatars that fit a similar demographic.
#30 Posted by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -
@CaptainCody: There were two previous games in the series, both rated T.
#31 Posted by Enigma777 (6069 posts) -

[Insert Cris Hansen picture here]

#32 Posted by CaptainCody (1505 posts) -
@LordAndrew said:
" @CaptainCody: There were two previous games in the series, both rated T. "

Aware, but if their's one thing that seems evident, it's that entertainment as a whole has become a lot more protective of children's eyes, so as time progresses and the game's censorship doesn't. It's a little more understandable why now it recieved an M-rating.
#33 Posted by zityz (2360 posts) -
@CmdrSheppard said:
" @blackbird415 said:
" uummm take male hormones much? or is it a dude?!?!?!?!? I CANT TTTEEELLLLL!!!!! 
 
@Axersia said:

 
Because we all know this is what you really came here to see
"
"
I think it's a dude "
Seriously. Chung Li needs to lay of the juice...
#34 Posted by Hailinel (24255 posts) -
@Axersia said:

"
 

Because we all know this is what you really came here to see
"
  
Online
#35 Posted by Sogeman (867 posts) -

Oh USA, you crack me up. Here's how it's done. Rated 12 and up and not a single fuck was given that day. 
 



#36 Posted by Hailinel (24255 posts) -
@Sogeman said:
" Oh USA, you crack me up. Here's how it's done. Rated 12 and up and not a single fuck was given that day. 
 

"
I take it this is for the same 12+ audience as We Dare? :P
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#37 Edited by Sogeman (867 posts) -

Exactly which just makes me wonder why We Dare isn't rated 6+ and frankly I haven't seen anything about We Dare on german speaking game sites. No one cares.

#38 Edited by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -
@Hailinel said:

" @Sogeman said:

" Oh USA, you crack me up. Here's how it's done. Rated 12 and up and not a single fuck was given that day. 
 

"
I take it this is for the same 12+ audience as We Dare? :P "
PEGI gave Ar tonelico III .
Surprisingly, Ar tonelico II was only . Must be the strips of light.
#39 Posted by Underachiever007 (2468 posts) -
@luce said:
" @ryanwho said:
" @Skooky said:

"

Aoto, an apprentice who becomes entangled in a three-way


 I think I found the real reason for the M rating.

"
Nono. All Gust games have a male hero in a harem and an embarrassing loli hottub scene. They make their games for very specific people. The kind of people who look at the floor when they're talking to someone. "
As a guy who can't stop looking at peoples shoes when in conversation I can confirm this man's statement. "
#40 Edited by Catolf (2653 posts) -
@LordAndrew said:

" @Hailinel said:

" @Sogeman said:

" Oh USA, you crack me up. Here's how it's done. Rated 12 and up and not a single fuck was given that day. 
 

"
I take it this is for the same 12+ audience as We Dare? :P "
PEGI gave Ar tonelico III .
Surprisingly, Ar tonelico II was only . Must be the strips of light. "
Mine is rated M.. so.. wtf.. how come 12 that way?
 
 @kingzetta said:

" @ryanwho said:

" @Skooky said:

"

Aoto, an apprentice who becomes entangled in a three-way


 I think I found the real reason for the M rating.

"
Nono. All Gust games have a male hero in a harem and an embarrassing loli hottub scene. They make their games for very specific people. The kind of people who look at the floor when they're talking to someone. "
I can vouch for this. "
how can you vouch for it when i can look someone in the eye as I talk about this game. Nice to say everyone who like Gust games are a pedophile, generalizing much.
 
@ch13696:  It's good i wrote a big old thing about my thoughts on my first few hours.
#41 Posted by kingzetta (4307 posts) -
@Catolf: 
I can vouch for it because I own and have beaten every Gust, NIS, Atlus, and Idea factory game there is. 
I have all of them in a display case in my house.
#42 Posted by Hyperfludd (373 posts) -
@Sogeman said:
" Oh USA, you crack me up. Here's how it's done. Rated 12 and up and not a single fuck was given that day. 
 

"
God damn, I feel sorry for dudes who have to make Boxarts over there. Jeez.
#43 Posted by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -
@Catolf said:
"Mine is rated M.. so.. wtf.. how come 12 that way? "
Well, the first two games were rated T by the ESRB, which is pretty similar to 12 in theory.
#44 Posted by Sogeman (867 posts) -
@Hyperfludd said:
" @Sogeman said:
" Oh USA, you crack me up. Here's how it's done. Rated 12 and up and not a single fuck was given that day. 
 

"
God damn, I feel sorry for dudes who have to make Boxarts over there. Jeez. "
Most big games get a double sided cover without any rating on the other side. (RDR for example)
#45 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

There's never been a JRPG with an M rating?

#46 Edited by Catolf (2653 posts) -
@kingzetta said:

" @Catolf:  I can vouch for it because I own and have beaten every Gust, NIS, Atlus, and Idea factory game there is.  I have all of them in a display case in my house. "

Okay? I meant how can you vouch for the games only for people who stare at the ground and can't make eye contact.
 
@LordAndrew said:
" @Catolf said:
"Mine is rated M.. so.. wtf.. how come 12 that way? "
Well, the first two games were rated T by the ESRB, which is pretty similar to 12 in theory. "

ah i see.
#47 Posted by Bones8677 (3224 posts) -
@Demyx said:
" @Terranova said:
" The game got a 12 rating in the UK  which just goes to show just how draconian the U.S can be at times when it comes to nudity and sexual innuendo. "
maybe the U.K is not draconian enough huh? yeah.  USA, USA, USA!!! "
Actually this could be a legitimate argument. Maybe the UK is WAY TOO FUCKING LENIENT towards sex and nudity. Ever thought about that? Huh?!
#48 Posted by stoodspoon (612 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish: Nier had a M rating
#49 Posted by Catolf (2653 posts) -
@stoodspoon said:
" @LordXavierBritish: Nier had a M rating "
as did Persona 3-4 DDS 1-2 so on but I wasn't sure if LordXavierBritish was being sarcastic or not so I didn't answer XD
#50 Posted by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -
@Catolf: I think LordXavierBritish merely misinterpreted what Axersia was saying. Depending on how you look at it, it might look like he said it was the first JRPG to receive an M rating, and that's what LXB was responding to.

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