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343 Industries Looking to Resurrect the Original Xbox's Massive 'Duke' Controller

Studio hopes to have controllers playable at PAX, then auctioned off for Child's Play.

343 content producer and Bombcast Hall of Fame inductee David Ellis holds the ol' Duke.
343 content producer and Bombcast Hall of Fame inductee David Ellis holds the ol' Duke.

When 343 Industries first showed off Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary, an HD remastering of the original Bungie shooter, someone asked if the studio had looked into producing some new original Xbox "Duke" controllers as a funny throwback. There wasn't a clear yes or no answer.

Then, franchise development director Frank O'Connor dropped into a NeoGAF thread today, saying 343 Industries was looking into producing some limited edition controllers.

No, those controllers weren't very enjoyable to hold. Remember those black and white buttons?

To find out more, I got in touch with 343 Industries producer Alison Stroll, who clarified 343's attempts to recreate the original Xbox controller with some Xbox 360 guts, a project that's still being hammered out and, for now, is not assured. Stroll did walk me through the current plan.

343 is talking with several folks known for taking forgotten devices and shoving them into formats never intended. As uncomfortable as the old the controller was, the idea of playing Halo again with the "Duke" is too damn cool. So long as the contracts work out, 343 hopes to produce a handful of new-age Xbox controllers, and have them hooked up to kiosks at the PAX-timed Halo Fest.

There's precedent for this. Notorious hardware manipulator Ben Heck, for example, pulled it off.

There are no plans for this to become a mass produced device, if that's even possible. After PAX, the controllers will be boxed up. They'll emerge once more to be featured as part of the annual Child's Play dinner auction. Stroll said they're looking to have the team sign the controllers, too.

So, technically, you'll have a chance to buy one, but it's not a simple as pre-ordering early.

Microsoft doesn't have boxes full of these controllers laying around the office, either. Stroll picked up the controllers from a local Goodwill for a few dollars, but they'll be working to clean them up--as much as those hulking pieces of black plastic can look brand-new at this point, anyway.

Halo Fest, billed as "largest and most expansive live Halo experience ever," will take place right alongside PAX Prime in Seattle this summer, from August 26 through August 28. Even better, having a pass for PAX Prime is the only requirement for also gaining admission to Halo Fest.

Stroll told me more information on plans for the controller and the upcoming Halo Fest will be available shortly, as 343 continues to establish itself as the new leaders of the Halo franchise.

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@MrKlorox said:

@Moonshadow101 said:

I didn't mind them. Weird, but they worked.

As for the black and white buttons, I actually found the smaller S-Controllers to be much worse than the Duke. They're too close to the edge, you either have to slide your hand halfway off the controller or break your thumb to get to them.

Nah. You just keep the pad of your thumb on the A button, then swivel left or right and hit Black/White with the crease of the end joint of your thumb.Same principle as pressing A while keeping your thumb pad over X. The fact that they were in-set into the controller made this even easier.

You only have to move your whole thumb if using the duke since they're placed so awkwardly high and asymmetrically shaped.

@Moonshadow101 said:

@MrKlorox: I dunno how big your hands are, but that's physically impossible for me.

Not that big. I think you're picturing something more tricky than necessary. Perhaps this will help convey what I mean:

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I'm liking the new comment separation design.  Looks nice. 
 
Anyways, no thanks.  I was very happy when the Xbox S controller was released.

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I'll buy it straight away.

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Unless you have little sissy T-Rex arms, you should have no problem with this controller.

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@tplarkin7 said:

I've never heard of it being called "Duke". It was the "Fat" or "Big" controller. The fat controller was the product of Microsoft listening to the hardcore gamer. The dual shock and Dreamcast controllers cramp your hands. My pinkys went numb. The fat controller was like holding a football. Blood flowed smoothly. :) It was clearly too big for kids, though.

That's weird. Sounds like an isolated thing. I mean, I'm sure you aren't the only person walking the earth with that complaint, but the Dual Shock has stayed relatively unchanged since its first iteration as a result of its comfort and general acclaim.

ON TOPIC: I'd fucking kill for one of these. Sad to hear it won't be mass-produced.

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Edited By mus

I really had problems with this controller,  it frustrated me and it gave me cramps.  I did not know there was still plenty of love for this controller.  

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...............why?

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Terrible idea imo, that controller was one of the worst I've ever held in my hands. =p

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@MrKlorox: Am I missing something or is that picture of you playing with an S controller and not a Duke. I mean aren't the black and white at the top and that does look smaller.

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@EightBitShik: It is indeed an S. I've edited the post to include the original conversation.

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I could buy it. The original controller wasn't THAT bad.

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Horrible idea

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Edited By HoratioDUKEz

Hey Stroll, I have a duke new in the box if your interested, would love to see it going to good use, rather than sitting on a shelf!

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Please tell me this is some fever dream. I've had nightmares and carpal tunnel for years after using The Duke.

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Guess they are going all out on this.

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Second best controller to ever exist! 

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I support this

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Not sure why this is a thing, but it's for the kids so I'm on board.

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@moondogg said:

I loved that controller. Was very sad to see them discontinue it. Having said that, would I get one now... probably not.

That said, the 360 controller was better which was probably a product of the controller S/ Japanese Xbox controller. But the duke was fine for its time.

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If they were selling these, I'd buy one. There was significant period of time of my life that was basically just split-screen Halo 1, gigantic Xbox controllers and Linkin Park on loop. Middle school was awesome.

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Those controllers felt awesome in my hands. I was very bummed when they weren't available anymore when I finally got an Xbox.

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I have big hands. You know what they say about guys with big hands. 
 
That's right. XBOX-HUGE CONTROLLERS.
 
Very much looking forward to this glorious comeback.

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This is a dumb idea. That controller was replaced by the S model for a good reason, because it was dumb.

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I really didn't mind 'The Duke'. I put many hours worth of Morrowind in on that and it was pretty comfortable. I don't even have huge hands. I did get a couple of S controllers later on cause the D-pad was better on those for fighting games.

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@MrKlorox: Ah, thanks makes much more sense now lol. I wasn't trying to go all L.A Noire on you just confused.

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Uh, always bet on Duke?

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I'd buy it. It's kinda tricky to play GTA:SA on the 360 with the standard wireless controller.

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I loved that controller.
If they made a wireless one with the current button config, I would buy it.

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@MrKlorox: You misunderstand me, I probably should have said "how small" instead of "how big." The crease of my thumb overshoots the buttons by a few cm, so I have to slide my hand backward off of the controller in order to get to them.

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Finally someone making a controller that fits my hands.

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@example1013 said:

Finally someone making a controller that fits my hands.


Agreed.  I liked the old "duke" controllers SIZE, not the buttons so much. )  
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@GozerTC said:
@example1013 said:

Finally someone making a controller that fits my hands.

Agreed.  I liked the old "duke" controllers SIZE, not the buttons so much. )  
same here, the ol' duke fit my hands perfectly.
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Once my hands got used to the size I loved that controller.

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@Moonshadow101 said:

@MrKlorox: You misunderstand me, I probably should have said "how small" instead of "how big." The crease of my thumb overshoots the buttons by a few cm, so I have to slide my hand backward off of the controller in order to get to them.

I feel like that's the point, that's the way it should be. You shouldn't be stretching your fingers completely as far as they extend in order to hit the button there should be some give and you should be able to extend further if needed that way it's comfortable. My hands are either normal or slightly smaller than average, either way my thumbs can naturally/comfortably ride past the analog and buttons when 'resting' but the way the controller is made it allows you to slide your hand down or just adjust your thumbs to be at the right placement for the controls etc.
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Hail to the King, baby!

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I like the Duke quite a bit, but then again I have abnormally long fingers.

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Never had an original Xbox, I'll pick one up if I get a chance at PAX Prime/Halo Fest.

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That's funny.

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the only good thing involving the name "duke" to happen this year

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Anyone know how I can donate one of my Duke controllers to this project?

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Dukes coming back have always been a good thing, right?

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Do want.

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The duke was my favourite Controller of all time, minus the black and white buttons.