Assassin’s Creed III DLC Has Evil George Washington

Bad-ass

Not really sure I get the whole "Evil Washington" angle, but glad to see someone posted that YouTube video in here.

@xaveri said:

So, no DLC for PC?

Im jumping on these Bandwagon QUICK!!! Ubisoft is Beast

@Edmundus said:

This is actually a very interesting concept for an alt-history DLC, as a few people whispered suggestions that it would make for a stronger America to have Washington as its king, and later many feared that he would become a monarch in all but name once he became president.

He was too noble to consider that of course, but he was an excellent political player, and so that makes the scenario of 'what if he was evil' potentially very fun.

The concept of the Americas having a king was even seriously considered. We didn't break away from England because of the king, we did it because we had to voice in the government. If the US had split federal power between a king and congress that would have solved the revolutionaries' complaints and showed that the US is a proper European style nation and not a band of rabble rousers.

@Animasta said:

I am american, and as Americans it is our duty to recognize that Washington was an asshole. yes, he founded our country, that's all well and good, but come on.

I don't want to assume you're as bad of a person as this statement makes you out to be, but I'll just chalk it up to ignorance. I'm not sure what shady professor or crazy relative or overbearingly activist friend convinced you that what you said is the case, but a basic high-school education and a rudimentary glance at some historical facts paints a pretty clear picture of who Washington was and the kind of contrast Ubisoft is attempting to draw.

His military strategies put an emphasis on morale. He immediately resigned from the military at the close of the war rather than exercise any sort of control. He advocated US neutrality over holding grudges or immediately adopting stances that could threaten safety and stability in such a nation in its infancy. His dissatisfaction with the Articles of Confederation led to his spearheading the creation of the Constitution. His vehement disapproval of lavish royal titles for the country's elected chief executive and subsequent avoidance of the issue led to the finalization of the Title of Nobility Clause and the almost exclusive use of the simple term "Mr. President." The rest of the Framers simply assumed he would be the first president, and he was elected in a walkover. He served his second term reluctantly and refused a third. His final will freed all of his slaves.

There's a reason he continues to inspire people even outside the borders of the United States, though I'm sure you're unaware. Almost no revolutionary leader in history has demonstrated as much restraint and good judgment as he did.

Get ready for Fox News outrage in 3....2....1....

@Jakobi said:

Get ready for Fox News outrage in 3....2....1....

I'd say that's crazy (I've read a book about time travelers giving AK-47's to the south during the Civil war for eff's sake.) but Whenever I think that I'm surprised by what they'll pick a fight about.

Hopefully real presidential politics will keep their attention.

cool idea. I'm definitely up for playing something like this. That concept art sure is awesome.

@Jakobi said:

Get ready for Fox News outrage in 3....2....1....

No way, its going to be delayed several months like their Mass Effect is porn coverage.

Also, I really hope this "oh it's alternate timelines" is bullshit damage control, because I'm like, 95% sure that Washington is canonically an Abstergo ancestor.

Also, not gonna lie, that would've been the perfect final boss. Get to the end of the Revolution, oh shit George Washington has declared himself God Emperor of Mankind, time to have a fistfight on top of the roof of the White House.

Alright, I'll be gladly missing it.

(come on people, don' just buy DLC to "buy DLC", do it only if you want to! plus non-canonical so not like you're missing some pages in a book..)

I support this endeavour. Recently met a 3D artist working on the game and he refused to tell about a few very specific character designs he was working on. Hopefully there's more alternate-history DLC on the way. When the content is good I'll put down money for it.

That sounds great. I'm glad I like the AC series.

Huh. I feel like I should be offended, but I'm not. Moving on, then...

@nERVEcenter said:

@Animasta said:

I am american, and as Americans it is our duty to recognize that Washington was an asshole. yes, he founded our country, that's all well and good, but come on.

I don't want to assume you're as bad of a person as this statement makes you out to be, but I'll just chalk it up to ignorance. I'm not sure what shady professor or crazy relative or overbearingly activist friend convinced you that what you said is the case, but a basic high-school education and a rudimentary glance at some historical facts paints a pretty clear picture of who Washington was and the kind of contrast Ubisoft is attempting to draw.

His military strategies put an emphasis on morale. He immediately resigned from the military at the close of the war rather than exercise any sort of control. He advocated US neutrality over holding grudges or immediately adopting stances that could threaten safety and stability in such a nation in its infancy. His dissatisfaction with the Articles of Confederation led to his spearheading the creation of the Constitution. His vehement disapproval of lavish royal titles for the country's elected chief executive and subsequent avoidance of the issue led to the finalization of the Title of Nobility Clause and the almost exclusive use of the simple term "Mr. President." The rest of the Framers simply assumed he would be the first president, and he was elected in a walkover. He served his second term reluctantly and refused a third. His final will freed all of his slaves.

There's a reason he continues to inspire people even outside the borders of the United States, though I'm sure you're unaware. Almost no revolutionary leader in history has demonstrated as much restraint and good judgment as he did.

This. By just about every historical account we have, Washington was a very noble and honorable man. Granted, he wasn't the greatest general, but his leadership alone made up for it (and some luck helped). Sure he owned slaves but even they were treated well, and Washington took great pleasure in managing his plantations, even working in the fields himself quite often.

ugh, DLC, well, is it even out on PC ?

George I of the United States. Doesn't sound too implausible.

Evidently there will have to be an evil George Washington throwdown between ACIII and BioShock Infinite (BioShock has robot George Washington).

Oh this sounds wicked. Best ACIII news I could get.

@SathingtonWaltz said:

@nERVEcenter said:

@Animasta said:

I am american, and as Americans it is our duty to recognize that Washington was an asshole. yes, he founded our country, that's all well and good, but come on.

I don't want to assume you're as bad of a person as this statement makes you out to be, but I'll just chalk it up to ignorance. I'm not sure what shady professor or crazy relative or overbearingly activist friend convinced you that what you said is the case, but a basic high-school education and a rudimentary glance at some historical facts paints a pretty clear picture of who Washington was and the kind of contrast Ubisoft is attempting to draw.

His military strategies put an emphasis on morale. He immediately resigned from the military at the close of the war rather than exercise any sort of control. He advocated US neutrality over holding grudges or immediately adopting stances that could threaten safety and stability in such a nation in its infancy. His dissatisfaction with the Articles of Confederation led to his spearheading the creation of the Constitution. His vehement disapproval of lavish royal titles for the country's elected chief executive and subsequent avoidance of the issue led to the finalization of the Title of Nobility Clause and the almost exclusive use of the simple term "Mr. President." The rest of the Framers simply assumed he would be the first president, and he was elected in a walkover. He served his second term reluctantly and refused a third. His final will freed all of his slaves.

There's a reason he continues to inspire people even outside the borders of the United States, though I'm sure you're unaware. Almost no revolutionary leader in history has demonstrated as much restraint and good judgment as he did.

This. By just about every historical account we have, Washington was a very noble and honorable man. Granted, he wasn't the greatest general, but his leadership alone made up for it (and some luck helped). Sure he owned slaves but even they were treated well, and Washington took great pleasure in managing his plantations, even working in the fields himself quite often.

Yes, yes, he couldn't tell a lie and chopped down a cherry tree with his dick, we've all read George's 10 Commendments.

Gonna get my blade sharpened. I got some colonial blood to spill.

How fucking lazy.

Although I love alternative historical ideas, as a teacher, I'm afraid of things like this. I've got a student who literally believes there are transformers on the moon. That's why we haven't gone back...

@Gabriel said:

How fucking lazy.

Yep.

This tops the Pope fight.

Sounds kinda like the Force Unleashed DLC where you play as Dark Starkiller.

Evil G-Wash looks dope.

I like the idea of Assassins Creed DLC just being Time Cop cases.

@DrMadHatten said:

I've got a student who literally believes there are transformers on the moon.

I assume you're a teacher in a special school.

@gregoryc said:

@SomeDeliCook: While I agree with you entirely, I hope you're not one to think "Why don't they just put this [DLC] into the game before release?" type of player. This type of thing is primarily to dissuade players from trading the game in - and therefore hurt the used game market. I don't love DLC as much when it's laid out to the public like this (season passes blah blah blah) but I understand where the publishers and developers are coming from with the decision.

Im one of those people that would rather they at least not mention DLC around the games release and try to act like they totally didn't plan some from the start

@Animasta: No.... The Sullivan Expedition was directed against the natives who sided with the British though there may have been collateral damage.

Most natives did side with the British, because they were hoping to stop the colonists from expanding farther west. Who knows what would have happened if the British won though, it may have been better for them, or not.

@Terramagi: Maybe you can dig up some dirt on Mr. Washington to back up that snide sarcasm.

@Terramagi said:

@SathingtonWaltz said:

@nERVEcenter said:

@Animasta said:

I am american, and as Americans it is our duty to recognize that Washington was an asshole. yes, he founded our country, that's all well and good, but come on.

I don't want to assume you're as bad of a person as this statement makes you out to be, but I'll just chalk it up to ignorance. I'm not sure what shady professor or crazy relative or overbearingly activist friend convinced you that what you said is the case, but a basic high-school education and a rudimentary glance at some historical facts paints a pretty clear picture of who Washington was and the kind of contrast Ubisoft is attempting to draw.

His military strategies put an emphasis on morale. He immediately resigned from the military at the close of the war rather than exercise any sort of control. He advocated US neutrality over holding grudges or immediately adopting stances that could threaten safety and stability in such a nation in its infancy. His dissatisfaction with the Articles of Confederation led to his spearheading the creation of the Constitution. His vehement disapproval of lavish royal titles for the country's elected chief executive and subsequent avoidance of the issue led to the finalization of the Title of Nobility Clause and the almost exclusive use of the simple term "Mr. President." The rest of the Framers simply assumed he would be the first president, and he was elected in a walkover. He served his second term reluctantly and refused a third. His final will freed all of his slaves.

There's a reason he continues to inspire people even outside the borders of the United States, though I'm sure you're unaware. Almost no revolutionary leader in history has demonstrated as much restraint and good judgment as he did.

This. By just about every historical account we have, Washington was a very noble and honorable man. Granted, he wasn't the greatest general, but his leadership alone made up for it (and some luck helped). Sure he owned slaves but even they were treated well, and Washington took great pleasure in managing his plantations, even working in the fields himself quite often.

Yes, yes, he couldn't tell a lie and chopped down a cherry tree with his dick, we've all read George's 10 Commendments.

Oh please, this is just childish. Feel free to offer up any reasons as to why the man shouldn't be admired.

@DrMadHatten said:

Although I love alternative historical ideas, as a teacher, I'm afraid of things like this. I've got a student who literally believes there are transformers on the moon. That's why we haven't gone back...

Ugh, fellow teacher here. I've had the pleasure of having over half my freshmen not know that the Titanic was an actual event, not just a movie.

It's Templar impostor Adam Weishaupt, obviously.

Its going to be a hell of a boss fight.

This is not very appealing to me. Depicting one of our greatest heroes as an evil power hungry monarch doesn't seem like a great direction to take with DLC, or anything else for that matter. I understand that it is an alternate take (why not just expand on the actual canon?), but it still sounds ridiculous even for Assassins Creed standards.

I love people being offended by this. Come the fuck on... Maybe it's because I'm not from the US, but I doubt it. I think this is a fun idea.

The alternate American history sounds interesting. My only gripe would be that I kind of use Assassin's Creed as an interactive history book/research. I'll have to shift perspectives while playing this... no biggy.

Looks like George Washington can tell a lie.

@ComradeKhan said:

@SomeDeliCook said:

@gregoryc said:

@SomeDeliCook: While I agree with you entirely, I hope you're not one to think "Why don't they just put this [DLC] into the game before release?" type of player. This type of thing is primarily to dissuade players from trading the game in - and therefore hurt the used game market. I don't love DLC as much when it's laid out to the public like this (season passes blah blah blah) but I understand where the publishers and developers are coming from with the decision.

Im one of those people that would rather they at least not mention DLC around the games release and try to act like they totally didn't plan some from the start

... but they did plan it from the start... so why should they keep a secret?... Why is it a bad thing for them to go ahead and let you know whats going to be available to you?

I hate when DLC gets announced for a game that isn't even out yet. Let me play the fucking game before you try to entice me with even more content that will have a price tag. It almost makes it feel like your game will now be inferior because you won't get the super huge nuclear machine gun or get to play as a walking statue of liberty that throws fireballs and instead you'll just get the 'vanilla' game.

I hate it. Wait until the game is released.

@Dryker said:

The alternate American history sounds interesting. My only gripe would be that I kind of use Assassin's Creed as an interactive history book/research. I'll have to shift perspectives while playing this... no biggy.

I trust that's a little bit of hyperbole. It's all dramatized and/or fictionalized to some degree beyond just the obvious Assassin/Templar premise. And it's the subtle tweaks they make to history that are much more important than the more blatant ones.

The same mindset you need to have while playing the alternate-history DLC is the exact same mindset with which you should approach the main game. Never take history-based entertainment at face value.

Sorry, I already bought the season pass for Borderlands II (and after Saint's Row III I was hesitant). I may not even buy Assassin's Creed III. I think I might rather get Dishonored and the XCOM remake instead. Halo 4 is giving out months worth of coop DLC with cut scenes for free.

I want a mission where I have to disguise myself as Polio and cripple FDR and later disguise my self as a stroke and fatally damage his brain. Then I have to go back in time and stop Teddy Roosevelt from killing off all the mummies in his undead hunting safaris. Finally you have to kick the British out of the Suez canal just after WW2 with magic boots made from a bad copy of the ten commandments by masonic robots for Ancient Snake Boss and the proto philosophers. The mission ends with you realizing that there is no animus, your name isn't Desmond, that you are in jail for not paying child support, and that you've spent the last three days really high because you volunteered for marijuana usage experiments being performed by the state you are in to eventually be used as background for a health study.

@Palaeomerus said:

I want a mission where I have to disguise myself as Polio and cripple FDR and later disguise my self as a stroke and fatally damage his brain. Then I have to go back in time and stop Teddy Roosevelt from killing off all the mummies in his undead hunting safaris. Finally you have to kick the British out of the Suez canal just after WW2 with magic boots made from a bad copy of the ten commandments by masonic robots for Ancient Snake Boss and the proto philosophers. The mission ends with you realizing that there is no animus, your name isn't Desmond, that you are in jail for not paying child support, and that you've spent the last three days really high because you volunteered for marijuana usage experiments being performed by the state you are in to eventually be used as background for a health study.

Damn it, he discovered the ending! Quick, do a rewrite.

@Kosayn said:

...your move, Bioshock Infinite.

my thoughts exactley

@ComradeKhan said:

I hate when DLC gets announced for a game that isn't even out yet. Let me play the fucking game before you try to entice me with even more content that will have a price tag. It almost makes it feel like your game will now be inferior because you won't get the super huge nuclear machine gun or get to play as a walking statue of liberty that throws fireballs and instead you'll just get the 'vanilla' game.

I hate it. Wait until the game is released.

How for this play at historically? Does this assume the Articles of Confederation never happened, and Washington seized the reins in 1781, instead of retiring? Or did he wait until 1788, when he was president, to assume his despotic role?

How for this play at historically? Does this assume the Articles of Confederation never happened, and Washington seized the reins in 1781, instead of retiring? Or did he wait until 1788, when he was president, to assume his despotic role?