Capcom: Used Games 'Not a Factor' in Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D Lacking Data Reset

*coughs 'bullshit'*

Well good thing they did this on Mercenaries and not, you know, a good game.

Regardless of the factors. This was just a bad idea.

@KingX said:

@KaneRobot said:

@first2die said:

All those people complaining, do you even have a 3DS, and if so were you even going to buy the game?

That doesn't really matter. Even if someone doesn't own a 3DS and/or this game now, if this game sells ok it sets a precedent, and then we get shoved down a slippery slope. This is like Oblivion horse armor all over again, but I'd say this is even worse since the only way for the consumer to fight this is not play the game at all. So with that in mind - don't support this nonsense. Shove it up your ass, Capcom.

+1

Right, because now EVERY game has horse armor, and after this EVERY game will feature no story but persistent leaderboards and achievements that can only be unlocked once.

Dude, "slippery slope" is called a fallacy for a reason. This doesn't represent a once and for all change to everything, just like horse armor did not.

Buying a used game is like buying a used car or book or whatever in the sense that it is a physical object where ownership can be transferred from one individual to another. However, the outcry on this says that people expect the experience with a used game be almost perfectly similar to that of a brand new game every time, which is not similar to books or cars or any other used experience.

@first2die said:

All those people complaining, do you even have a 3DS, and if so were you even going to buy the game?

That doesn't really matter. Even if someone doesn't own a 3DS and/or this game now, if this game sells ok it sets a precedent, and then we get shoved down a slippery slope. This is like Oblivion horse armor all over again, but I'd say this is even worse since the only way for the consumer to fight this is not play the game at all. So with that in mind - don't support this nonsense. Shove it up your ass, Capcom.

All those people complaining, do you even have a 3DS, and if so were you even going to buy the game?

All those people complaining, do you even have a 3DS, and if so were you even going to buy the game?

I don't buy the capcom excuse, and seeing how some copies are already being resold, they were probly just in trying to curtail preowned sales

Can you say Action Replay? Or whatever 3rd party cheat system available for the 3DS.

This is why I love cartridge gaming. In fact it would be awesome if the next generation of consoles was cartridge based. 

brb, gonna go buy a few used Capcom games.

@Detrian said:

@gladspooky said:

@Detrian said:

@DrRandle said:

Oh my god again? Really? And from you, of all people, Patrick? I thought you were better than this hype train.

This game does not have a visible "progress." It has high scores, and maybe some character unlocks. This game is not like Resident Evil 4 or 5 where you can just play through a story. It's like Geometry Wars, where your goal is to get a high score by replaying levels. That's it. This is like saying "What if you handed your copy of Street Fighter IV over to your friend?!" The most he would have to do is unlock all the characters, which I remind you, came unlocked in the 3DS version of the game anyhow.

Now if this kind of thing shows up in, say, Resident Evil: The Mercenaries, I can understand it's quite a bit different of a story. But as it stands, with this game, there's no real point to a clear data.

And really, what is the harm in limiting used sales to people? What? You're not going to buy a game used that Capcom was never going to get money for? I'm sure they really feel that loss. It's not like other companies haven't been doing WAY WORST things than preventing a data reset on a game that doesn't even need it in the first place.

Except the game does have progression in the form of a skill tree and custom weapon loadouts.

Wouldn't most people want that shit unlocked from the beginning anyway

No.

why not?

Did EVERYONE miss the line about how you level up your skills?

Sounds like character development. No deal.

@gladspooky said:

@Detrian said:

@DrRandle said:

Oh my god again? Really? And from you, of all people, Patrick? I thought you were better than this hype train.

This game does not have a visible "progress." It has high scores, and maybe some character unlocks. This game is not like Resident Evil 4 or 5 where you can just play through a story. It's like Geometry Wars, where your goal is to get a high score by replaying levels. That's it. This is like saying "What if you handed your copy of Street Fighter IV over to your friend?!" The most he would have to do is unlock all the characters, which I remind you, came unlocked in the 3DS version of the game anyhow.

Now if this kind of thing shows up in, say, Resident Evil: The Mercenaries, I can understand it's quite a bit different of a story. But as it stands, with this game, there's no real point to a clear data.

And really, what is the harm in limiting used sales to people? What? You're not going to buy a game used that Capcom was never going to get money for? I'm sure they really feel that loss. It's not like other companies haven't been doing WAY WORST things than preventing a data reset on a game that doesn't even need it in the first place.

Except the game does have progression in the form of a skill tree and custom weapon loadouts.

Wouldn't most people want that shit unlocked from the beginning anyway

No.

@Detrian said:

@DrRandle said:

Oh my god again? Really? And from you, of all people, Patrick? I thought you were better than this hype train.

This game does not have a visible "progress." It has high scores, and maybe some character unlocks. This game is not like Resident Evil 4 or 5 where you can just play through a story. It's like Geometry Wars, where your goal is to get a high score by replaying levels. That's it. This is like saying "What if you handed your copy of Street Fighter IV over to your friend?!" The most he would have to do is unlock all the characters, which I remind you, came unlocked in the 3DS version of the game anyhow.

Now if this kind of thing shows up in, say, Resident Evil: The Mercenaries, I can understand it's quite a bit different of a story. But as it stands, with this game, there's no real point to a clear data.

And really, what is the harm in limiting used sales to people? What? You're not going to buy a game used that Capcom was never going to get money for? I'm sure they really feel that loss. It's not like other companies haven't been doing WAY WORST things than preventing a data reset on a game that doesn't even need it in the first place.

Except the game does have progression in the form of a skill tree and custom weapon loadouts.

Wouldn't most people want that shit unlocked from the beginning anyway

This is a shit move on Capcom's part, they can say what they will, but it smells like an attack on the used market, which is fine, but it comes at the expense of the consumer. We can only hope that other companies don't follow suit and do this as well. I cringe at the thought of an RPG where you can't reset the save data.

@Brodehousesaid

In what Goddamn scenario is anyone going to want to delete their save data from their cartridge? Not their 'current campaign', their entire save data? Why would you ever do this?

This will effect you current campaign as it will be the only one allowed!

So say your playing a game then your brother plays it for an hour, you restart the game the next day on the same level but now your character is markedly stronger or has a new ability that breaks the level you where playing :(

Sounds great !

I have absolutely zero issue with this.

@swfcfan said:

@Zor said:

It seem to me, a lot of you are over reacting, especially considering that most of you weren't going to buy the game in the first place. More or less, what i am reading in the comments comes down to, "Oh, a game that i wasn't going to get is doing something that i don't like. This company is doing something stupid and has lost me as a customer... well, if i was going to buy it in the first place, which i wasn't, so in fact my outrage means nothing."

People are concerned about the precedent that this is setting. Maybe this will be used in other Capcom games or games by other developers that more people will care about. Anyone who is not concerned by this is naive or lacking in foresight.

In what Goddamn scenario is anyone going to want to delete their save data from their cartridge? Not their 'current campaign', their entire save data? Why would you ever do this? There's no earthly explanation, it's not like it's taking up hard drive space, you still have full select of every level in the game, there's no reason to want to delete all data except getting it used and wanting to manually unlock all the maps.

The crazy thing is, I think most of the people getting mad here have never played Mercenaries mode in any Resident Evil game and have no idea how it works. I got yelled at by my friend because he was (and probably still is) under the assumption that not being able to delete your save data means that once you get to the end of the game you can't play it anymore. A normally smart person actually said this to me. I explained Mercenaries mode and how it's just time attack on selectable maps and he still felt like he was getting ripped off (oh, he doesn't have a 3DS, but he was still getting ripped off).

@SecondPersonShooter: If 'unlocking the content' is more important to you than 'playing the game', then maybe a treadmill is more exciting. I play games for the joy of the gameplay, not so I can unlock the parts that make it fun. When I pop Marvel vs. Capcom 3 into my ancient Playstation 3 in a decade, I'm going to be pissed that I have to unlock Taskmaster all over again even though he's my favorite character.

@JamesBr: I don't think you understand how Mercenaries works. It's not a story campaign, it's just Resident Evil in time attack mode. If you want to start over from the beginning, go pick the first map from the menu and use Chris.

@Tober: They can pick the first map out of the menu and play from the beginning.

Once again, I don't think anyone knows how Mercenaries mode works and is just complaining because that's what video game players do. Spend more time whining about shit they know nothing about like a bunch of bitchy trolls than actually enjoying any game.

@Zor said:

It seem to me, a lot of you are over reacting, especially considering that most of you weren't going to buy the game in the first place. More or less, what i am reading in the comments comes down to, "Oh, a game that i wasn't going to get is doing something that i don't like. This company is doing something stupid and has lost me as a customer... well, if i was going to buy it in the first place, which i wasn't, so in fact my outrage means nothing."

People are concerned about the precedent that this is setting. Maybe this will be used in other Capcom games or games by other developers that more people will care about. Anyone who is not concerned by this is naive or lacking in foresight.

That's some BS if I ever heard it.

What if i wanted to lend it to a friend who wanted to borrow my game and play from the beginning? Stupid Stupid Stupid. Won't be buying it now.

I call fucking bullshit on greedy ass Capcom.
Activision catches slack for being the same way, but Capcom is almost as bad in my opinion.

The cartridge for this game is nothing like Ocarina of time. To help cut costs which we have then passed on to you the consumer, we opted for a CD-R based internal memory system. The cartridge includes a tiny CD burner that burns the CD-R as you make progress. We looked into the cost of using a CDRW but it tripled productions costs which we didnt want to pass on to you, the consumer.

An interesting premise, I wonder how many second-hand sales it'll actually prevent, or if people will just pirate a rom resulting in lowered actual sales. Personally, I'm against it, but I have a habit of resetting all my save data when I don't play a game for too long. It's an inconvenience to my play style, a pointless addition that makes no sense and adds nothing. Now, if they were transparent about their reasons, I might be more forgiving. If there were actual technical limitations, then sure. But if there were, wouldn't they be more upfront about something so reasonable?

I'm sure publishers would love to push games as licensed, like software is now, with EULAs. This would make the act of even lending your copy of a game to a friend a breach of that agreement.

Have you noticed how some discs now say "Do not lend or make illegal copies of this disc?"

lol capcom, another shit japanese game company slowly becoming more and more shit

Eh.  I'm feeling kinda lazy.  I'll just buy a copy that's already completed.  That way I don't have to unlock anything.  Also it will be cheaper.  It's a win-win.
 
/sarcasm

Whatever, buy your games new people! Except if it is a mini-game that should never have been made a stand-alone product...

Given the structure of the game, this might not have much of an impact after all. I just hope this doesn't start a trend in games I actually want to buy (used) and play. 
 
Though to be totally honest, I almost always just wait for the retail price to go down rather than try to find it sooner at the same discounted price but used. If I can wait for a game, I can wait for a cheap retail copy; that's generally how I do it anyway.

It's not just the used copy... it's the fact that I OWN IT and should be able to start a new game. This is totally going to backfire on them. They are getting the Amazon.com 1 star treatment already.

I've got a magnet that says otherwise, Capcom!

This really sucks.  I regularly delete data from other games over the years because I like to play and unlock everything over again, having the actual new game content for Resident Evil Mercenaries be a limited quantity is fucked.

Ive got a magnet that says otherwise, Capcom!

It seem to me, a lot of you are over reacting, especially considering that most of you weren't going to buy the game in the first place.  More or less, what i am reading in the comments comes down to, "Oh, a game that i wasn't going to get is doing something that i don't like.  This company is doing something stupid and has lost me as a customer... well, if i was going to buy it in the first place, which i wasn't, so in fact my outrage means nothing."

@RsistncE: An interesting statement, considering the fact that your icon features the cover of Black Ops, the property of one of the shittiest game companies in existence.

Wow. I hope this doesn't bleed into other Capcom games. Way to screw over paying customers Capcom!

I don't sell my games so maybe that's why, but this doesn't seem like such a bad thing.  When you let your friend borrow it, they start off with access to all the levels, perks, missions and items that you've unlocked.  Sounds like the ideal way to jump in and have fun with it.

lol capcom, another shit japanese game company slowly becoming more and more shit

Oh come off it guys. This isn't the first push to curb used games sales and it won't be the last. Complaining about it doesn't make a whole lot of difference because they simply don't care about your intent to sell a game back, because they don't see any of that money, and there's no way a feature like that would be a deal breaker when it came to buying the game (at least for people who actually intended on buying it).  
 
But whatever. If you're really outraged, please don't buy the game. Back up your rage with the only gesture that will matter. At least help protect future games from boneheaded moves like this, whether made with mal intent or otherwise. The reason I won't be buying it is because it looks like that Metroid Prime Hunters demo in terms of quality and features, except this game isn't free with the system. I can't see anyone having fun fumbling around with RE4/5 controls on system that's even more control limited than where those two previous games landed. At least not when the entirety of the game is based around the combat.

Whatever their reasons, this is a pretty bone head move. As others have said, sometimes you just want to start over, whether it was an excellent game and you want to experience it again, or time has passed and starting up again half-way just won't cut it.

Guess I'll be keeping a close eye on other Capcom releases to see if they pull this with future games. Hopefully people won't buy it and the message will be clearly sent.

*pulls out pocket knife*  I'll get you saved game, just you wait!

I'm not a wizard, but this is fucked up.