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E3 Needs to Grow Up

Despite a growing call for change, the organizers of E3 have no plans to address the booth babe issue at the industry's biggest show.

I'm sure these women are well versed in the talking points for Namco Bandai's upcoming fighting game.
I'm sure these women are well versed in the talking points for Namco Bandai's upcoming fighting game.

There’s been no shortage of discussion about women and video games this past week.

The conversation’s been driven by the gross response to Anita Sarkeesian’s nearly finished Kickstarter about the unfortunate and exclusionary tropes of female video game characters, and the quickly scrutinized comments from a producer on Tomb Raider about a potential rape scene (a description the studio has walked back) in the new game.

These are all good, uncomfortable conversations to have, but if we're talking about the depiction of women in games at such a serious level, how do we still have E3 booth babes? Other than for easy hits in web galleries, anyway.

The commonly referred to booth babe (also known as a "woman") is hired solely to wear skimpy clothing with a game or company’s logo and take photographs with attendees (who does that, by the way?). Typically, they are not well versed in the product they are hired to represent.

It seemed like a good time to check in with the Entertainment Software Association, who manages E3.

Despite some of the recent heated conversation, there are no plans to shift E3 policies.

"Exhibitors determine for themselves what is the best representation for their companies. Models are welcome if companies would like to have them, but that's an individual exhibitor decision,” said ESA VP of media relations and event management Dan Hewitt in an emailed statement to me yesterday.

Ghost Recon Commander designer Brenda Brathwaite sparked a vocal debate on Twitter over booth babes before she headed to the E3 show floor last Thursday.

“I dread heading off to work at E3 today,” she said. “The show is a constant assault on the female self esteem no matter which direction I look. I am in good shape, yet it is impossible not to compare. I feel uncomfortable. It is as if I walked into a strip club w/o intending to. These are the policies of @e3expo and @RichatESA. I feel uncomfortable in an industry I helped found.”

Her comments found plenty of support, such as Inside Network managing editor AJ Glasser.

@br The worst is when I get so good at seeing right through it that I forget they're actually women underneath the barely-there clothes.

— AJ Glasser (@Joygirl007) June 7, 2012

It’s not a new critique, but it was louder this year, and there seems to be a growing desire for change.

There was also the usual “what’s the big deal?” responses, including 3D Realms co-founder George Broussard.

@br I think you/others take it too seriously. It's not some academic event. It's a glitz show full of spectacle. #serious_business

— George Broussard (@georgeb3dr) June 7, 2012

It’s been a few years, but the ESA policy on booth babes has changed from E3's inception. The last major shift came in 2006, as new penalties, fines and policies were introduced regarding women featured in E3 exhibits.

"What's new in 2006 is an update and clarification of the enforcement policies; as we do from time to time, we have taken steps to ensure that exhibitors are familiar with the policy and how it will be enforced," said E3 show director Mary Dolaher to Reuters at the time.

A violation of the clothing policy would result in, at first, a warning, and then a $5,000 fine. Here’s what the handbook from 2006 said to exhibitors considering booth babes--er, sorry, live models:

"Material, including live models, conduct that is sexually explicit and/or sexually provocative, including but not limited to nudity, partial nudity and bathing suit bottoms, are prohibited on the show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the show."

Hewitt told me there have been no changes to ESA policy since 2006.

Maybe there should be. Consider this anecdote that didn’t even take place on the show floor itself.

This was one of the first results the search term
This was one of the first results the search term "Devil May Cry strippers" gave me, sorry.

We arrived to our Capcom appointment, I plunked down with Lost Planet 3, and Alex Navarro was ushered over to play Devil May Cry. In a room of kiosks, there were pole dancers. It’s unclear what that has to do with Devil May Cry. The girl hired to skimpily waltz around was sitting on the floor, looking bored. Everyone in the room is focused on playing the game, and Alex wasn't playing Devil May Cry in a see-through bubble. No one on the show floor could see this room. Can someone explain how this helps anyone do their job?

Elsewhere, I refused to play any 3DS games at Nintendo’s booth because the company didn’t have a table with machines, and instead tethered its lineup to attractive women. I let that gimmick slide when Nintendo pulled the same trick at the original 3DS unveiling, but I’ll just wait until those games are out now, thanks.

Nintendo probably thought it was a cute idea. I doubt (and this is my sincere hope) Nintendo meant to undermine the credibility of women at gaming’s biggest show. It's still ignorance. Many of the issues regarding women and E3 aren’t overtly offensive, and can be easily rationalized by those who don’t see a problem.

That’s okay--we should have a debate about it.

And this is all hardly an issue that’s exclusive to games. The same week as E3, the Computex Summit was happening in Taipei, and computer manufacturer ASUS sent out the following tweet:

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That tweet has since been deleted and ASUS released an apology, obviously.

I can gripe all I want, but the most effective solution has to come from the ESA itself. Only the ESA can enforce regulations on exhibitors, and let them know this archaic marketing tool needs to go away. If games are growing up, so does the way we go about advertising them in front of, ostensibly, a bunch of professional. This isn’t 1994.

PAX figured this out years ago, even if there have been incidents along the way (i.e. Lollipop Chainsaw at PAX East).

“Our definition of a ‘booth babe’ has been a model (male or female) that has been hired to stand/sit in skimpy clothing to market the product,” said Penny Arcade president of business development in 2010. “If that person knows the product inside and out then it’s less of an issue. A company representative that can interact with attendees in a way that provides value as opposed to ‘hey stare at my body’ is something that we encourage whether or not that representative is physically attractive or not.”

If E3 is supposed to represent the industry’s best, why can’t it figure out how to respect its own attendees?

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E3 is a show for the people who play games, not for the media, the media covers the show and brings what they see and play to the gaming public. The fact is that most gamers are young males, which makes the booth Babes a relevant PR tool.

Beside the booth Babes are not dressed any sexier than most hot women on the beach. Let’s stop acting as if they hired Jenna Jameson to spread eagle and finger in the Kirby booth.

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I have zero issue with using pretty woman and attractive men in any form of advertising.

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@Anwar said:

How about banning people in cosplay costumes who get in there? Not people at the booths, people who get to E3 to show off their costume or whatever the fuck they do.

Nope...gotta ban them to. Or send them to the N.O.W booth for reprogramming

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Complaining about willing women who are paid to market a product? Because no other industry does that.

What a retarded article.

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@SmilingPig said:

Beside the booth Babes are not dressed any sexier than most hot women on the beach. Let’s stop acting as if they hired Jenna Jameson to spread eagle and finger in the Kirby booth.

So THAT'S how Nintendo is going to be "edgy" at the next E3.

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@MindOST said:

The only solution is for there to be male booth babes! I know, I know; we'll need to think of a better name for them but the only solution to sexism is equal objectification for all.

Booth Bubs

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@CaptainInvictus said:

@MindOST said:

The only solution is for there to be male booth babes! I know, I know; we'll need to think of a better name for them but the only solution to sexism is equal objectification for all.

Booth Bubs

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@mercury228 said:

I agree and disagree with some of these things. Violence is also present at the show, and sex sells. I do not like it, but we are in minority. I think it is kinda dumb because many of us gamers have grown up. I would also say though that Saints Row the Third falls under the category of 100% offensive to women and many other things, but that's okay? I don't know the answer, but I think we should re-evaluate what is acceptable in the gaming industry, and stop overly objectifying women. Their is nothing wrong with sex, but their is a thin line between tasteful, funny, or appealing sex and just downright disturbing content. I am fine with having sexy women at the show, but stop with the insane comments and act like an adult.

I think it's noble to end the objectification of women in the larger society, but it's impossible to have creative work that is completely inoffensive to anyone. Cleverness, any attempt to break from the bland norm is going to ruffle some feathers, especially when people are more sensitive than they've ever been.

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Who still refers to attractive females as "babes"?

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I just remembered that Patrick willingly starred in a video where he had women dancing sexually around him and I suddenly realize I am not only apathetic to this article due to it's "fad" nature in terms of video game journalism, it's very much sophistry on the part of Patrick, and that actually has me a bit angry.
 

  
@patrickklepek, do tell me, what would be AJ Glasser and Brenda Brathewaite reaction to your usage of females in the above video as dancing bimbos with you as their figure of adoration?
 
Also now I remember, AJ Glasser was that Kotaku writer that gave Persona 4 a very dumb ass review.  I knew that name was familiar.
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@SmilingPig said:

Beside the booth Babes are not dressed any sexier than most hot women on the beach. Let’s stop acting as if they hired Jenna Jameson to spread eagle and finger in the Kirby booth.

OK, that was hilarious. Only way that could be funnier is if they gave Jenna a Kirby vibrator to use.

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Dave's newest addition that he's been working on for the Giant Bomb website: getting rid of comments and the youtube-quality posters therein

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@Turambar said:

I just remembered that Patrick willingly starred in a video where he had women dancing sexually around him and I suddenly realize I am not only apathetic to this article due to it's "fad" nature in terms of video game journalism, it's very much sophistry on the part of Patrick, and that actually has me a bit angry.


@Patrick, do tell me, what would be AJ Glasser and Brenda Brathewaite reaction to your usage of females in the above video as dancing bimbos with you as their figure of adoration? Also now I remember, AJ Glasser was that Kotaku writer that gave Persona 4 a very dumb ass review. I knew that name was familiar.

You @'d the wrong Patrick. But I agree. I've never seen this video before now, but to contrast it against this article makes look just a tad ridiculous.

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@Anund said:

@Brackynews said:

@Anund: Do you perhaps care that Brathwaite is engaged to John Romero? Is that a name you know?

He's the guy who made that bad game everyone hated.

He also made Doom, Wolfenstein 3D and Quake.

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I spend most of my time going to auto show's and racing events. There are lots of "booth babes" and models in the auto industry. The way I see it is modeling at these events give 1000's of women jobs and they choose to do this so it is not degrading to women.

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And to think....what brought all these Duddly Do Rights out of the wood work was a shotgun to the face.

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@Hailinel said:

@Turambar said:

I just remembered that Patrick willingly starred in a video where he had women dancing sexually around him and I suddenly realize I am not only apathetic to this article due to it's "fad" nature in terms of video game journalism, it's very much sophistry on the part of Patrick, and that actually has me a bit angry.


@Patrick, do tell me, what would be AJ Glasser and Brenda Brathewaite reaction to your usage of females in the above video as dancing bimbos with you as their figure of adoration? Also now I remember, AJ Glasser was that Kotaku writer that gave Persona 4 a very dumb ass review. I knew that name was familiar.

You @'d the wrong Patrick. But I agree. I've never seen this video before now, but to contrast it against this article makes @patrickklepek look just a tad ridiculous.

Ah, thanks for the fix. 
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The yearly booth babe complaints, I understand. But this year we ALSO got people complaining about games being too violent!

I really hope this eventually evolves into a bunch of game journalists and developers standing outside of E3 with homemade signs, protesting the entire event!

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@Xeirus: Since times are changing, I will now leer longingly and creeply at women breatfeeding in public and NOT expect to be harassed by sed mother since, you know, times are changing.

Crazy...yes

But times are changing.

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@Hailinel: I don't know. Are we supposed to take immature humor and immature use of females and separate them into separate categories or something? Are we supposed to say "hey, talking about Peter Molyneux's balls is okay in the sense of humor and comedy that it provides...but chicks walking around a show floor in booty shorts and tight shirts is problematic"?

Personally, I just think you have to lump the entirety of immaturity all together as one big thing. I personally have no problem with immaturity, whether it's in the use of sex appeal, humor, or whatever the cause may be. If someone gets offended by it, I think of the old saying "who said you can't be offended?".

Nonetheless, I just think that the entire idea of this article in and of itself is kind of ironic as fuck.

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@Turambar said:

I just remembered that Patrick willingly starred in a video where he had women dancing sexually around him and I suddenly realize I am not only apathetic to this article due to it's "fad" nature in terms of video game journalism, it's very much sophistry on the part of Patrick, and that actually has me a bit angry.


@Patrick, do tell me, what would be AJ Glasser and Brenda Brathewaite reaction to your usage of females in the above video as dancing bimbos with you as their figure of adoration? Also now I remember, AJ Glasser was that Kotaku writer that gave Persona 4 a very dumb ass review. I knew that name was familiar.

You know, I think Matthew 7:5 says it best.

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

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@SexualBubblegumX said:

@Claude said:

Aborted fetuses tethered to a 3DS would have been funnier.

OMG I love you Claude.

Excellent.

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@YukoAsho said:

@Turambar said:

I just remembered that Patrick willingly starred in a video where he had women dancing sexually around him and I suddenly realize I am not only apathetic to this article due to it's "fad" nature in terms of video game journalism, it's very much sophistry on the part of Patrick, and that actually has me a bit angry.


@patrickklepek, do tell me, what would be AJ Glasser and Brenda Brathewaite reaction to your usage of females in the above video as dancing bimbos with you as their figure of adoration? Also now I remember, AJ Glasser was that Kotaku writer that gave Persona 4 a very dumb ass review. I knew that name was familiar.

You know, I think Matthew 7:5 says it best.

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

New International Version or gtfo D:
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@PerfidiousSinn said:

The yearly booth babe complaints, I understand. But this year we ALSO got people complaining about games being too violent!

I really hope this eventually evolves into a bunch of game journalists and developers standing outside of E3 with homemade signs, protesting the entire event!

It wasn't just complaining about violence. It was more about the reaction to said violence. That very reaction was your typical "America fuck yeah violence blood and gore dudebro macho shit" reaction, and I'll be honest - it was even unsettling to me...and I've watched A Serbian Film. While I do enjoy a good spot of gore, and I'll even admittedly mark out like a muthafucker when it happens, there's something a little odd about an entire audience flipping out and basically saying "HELL YEAH" when the main character in The Last of Us shoots a guy that is pleading for his life directly in the face with a shotgun. There's something just...a bit fetish about that, isn't there? It's beyond the typical "yo, this is a fighting game and you ripped this guy's spine out of his body". The guy was PLEADING FOR HIS LIFE, and you flat-out murdered him in cold blood. It's a reaction that we don't typically see from the nameless fucks that we gun down in our games.

Then again, I've also written about violence in games multiple times throughout the years, asking whether or not it's something that should be celebrated in video games or not.

All this coming from a guy (me) that loves the Dead Space and Splatterhouse games. Irony, eh?

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I find it pretty hilarious how nobody seems to worry if the girls have a problem with any of it themselves. Of course that's going to differ per individual but in general, isn't it empowering for them to make money with their looks? Supply and demand man.

I understand there's a way-too-prepubescent, sleazy vibe around all of this but we shouldn't be projecting our concerns on these models who I assume are pretty damn confident about their work choices and ethic. It's like feminists telling girls not to be models or strippers or wear make-up or anything "degrading" like that, when in fact it can be just as empowering as succeeding in academics on account of your wits. It's this over-apologetic culture, super eager to discuss any non-issue.

I'm saying don't let your purpose and role be defined by a patriarchal culture, but don't let it be defined by feminists either because you're just trading one dogma for another. Fuck them isms.

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Dante, I'm sorry you got dragged into this. Let's go get your jacket.

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@Turambar said:

I just remembered that Patrick willingly starred in a video where he had women dancing sexually around him and I suddenly realize I am not only apathetic to this article due to it's "fad" nature in terms of video game journalism, it's very much sophistry on the part of Patrick, and that actually has me a bit angry.


@patrickklepek, do tell me, what would be AJ Glasser and Brenda Brathewaite reaction to your usage of females in the above video as dancing bimbos with you as their figure of adoration? Also now I remember, AJ Glasser was that Kotaku writer that gave Persona 4 a very dumb ass review. I knew that name was familiar.

It's also kinda shitty how they wholeheartedly endorse hip-hop culture, which treats women like absolute garbage that goes above and beyond paying them to advertise a silly video game. It's OK to reach back like a pimp and slap a hoe- but god forbid she gets paid to wear a tight Tekken shirt and hang out in a booth and talk to journalists. You know what, this whole thing is shitty. Fuck this whole article. Most of the time I respect the hell out of Patrick's work, but not this time.

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I'm guessing Patrick has never been to a car show. Car shows are just like this and have always been. Even the equivalent to E3 where manufacturers are showing off their new cars, there are booth babes and girls standing next to the cars. Video games have a generally male audience when it comes to people who will attend big events like this, just like cars. It's how it is and how it will always be. Unless Gloria Alred becomes president... Fuck...

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I can see the part of this where Patrick is saying "yo, we should stop treating women like objects as a society", but the question is this: when women either allow themselves to be treated like objects or dress themselves up to be objects, how can you start saying "women shouldn't be treated as objects"?

It's not like booth babes are being held at gunpoint and told "bitch, you better be scantily clad at our muthafuckin' trade show booth, you got me?" They are well aware that they are going to be objectified, and they take the money and do the job. Now, a pole dancer behind closed doors? Yeah, that's pretty fucking stupid.

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@Turambar said:

New International Version or gtfo D:

OK. :)

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

^^

@jakob187 said:

It wasn't just complaining about violence. It was more about the reaction to said violence. That very reaction was your typical "America fuck yeah violence blood and gore dudebro macho shit" reaction, and I'll be honest - it was even unsettling to me...and I've watched A Serbian Film. While I do enjoy a good spot of gore, and I'll even admittedly mark out like a muthafucker when it happens, there's something a little odd about an entire audience flipping out and basically saying "HELL YEAH" when the main character in The Last of Us shoots a guy that is pleading for his life directly in the face with a shotgun. There's something just...a bit fetish about that, isn't there? It's beyond the typical "yo, this is a fighting game and you ripped this guy's spine out of his body". The guy was PLEADING FOR HIS LIFE, and you flat-out murdered him in cold blood. It's a reaction that we don't typically see from the nameless fucks that we gun down in our games.

While the cheering for that end of The Last of Us was... Odd. There's something different there. I get the situation, obviously, just as I understand the backdrop of war in most FPSes, but still... I can't help but think the audience was missing the forest for the trees there. I've no doubt that The Last of Us is going to be a game I get because it's awesome, but I'm not going to be hopping up and down with glee when those instances come.

Oh, and in another moment of journalistic hypocrisy, there were people calling Treyarch's Call of Duty: World at War exploitative because of the increased gore compared to MW, probably a few people who work here or at GameSpot now, and certainly a good many of the people at that Last of Us showing.

It amazes me how quickly gaming journalism flip-flops on these issues, decrying them one moment and embracing them in others.

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Okay, seriously, I'm done trying to figure out the logic of the people posting. You guys just never bothered to read the fucking article or have missed the point colossally. Well done people, well done.

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That ASUS tweet offends me purely because if it was a woman commenting on a man's behind it wouldn't have gotten any flak at all.  
 
One rule for women, another for men.

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@Snipzor said:

Okay, seriously, I'm done trying to figure out the logic of the people posting. You guys just never bothered to read the fucking article or have missed the point colossally. Well done people, well done.

Well, my logic is I'm not a fan of blatant and unapologetic hypocrisy. 
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Man, it's a good thing no one else uses attractive women to sell their products....

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@Sooty said:

That ASUS tweet offends me purely because if it was a woman commenting on a man's behind it wouldn't have gotten any flak at all. One rule for women, another for men.

And then there's this, yeah.

Sorry, but we're either equal or we're not. The protesters can't have it both ways.

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@Turambar: They are women dancing around in clothes they've had all day goofing around in a video intended to be parody.

I'm sure you understand what you're talking about, and what I'm talking about. otherwise this just looks like a random internet person attacking an article with no point or real reason.

It's pretty obvious isn't it?

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I can see the part of this where Patrick is saying "yo, we should stop treating women like objects as a society", but the question is this: when women either allow themselves to be treated like objects or dress themselves up to be objects, how can you start saying "women shouldn't be treated as objects"?

I mentioned this earlier, but I had few 'feminist' professors my first year of community college, and they think this whole chivalry act is bullshit, and even more demeaning and objectifying. Like, even if Nintendo is using women as a sex object to advertise their games, people with Patricks new-found beliefs are treating women like children or fucking puppies that need protection and can't make decis... Why am I still reading this thread, this whole think is pretty fucked.

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I can see where booth babes would get annoying to some members of the press who are married or have a gf, but i don't see em goin away anytime soon.

It would be nice if they weren't just hired as eye-candy and they were intelligent enough to talk about the game.

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This is why I love giant bomb. As my first e3 I was shocked by the lack of professionalism by many in the crowd. There is nothing wrong with being excited about an upcoming game, but that's not the sort of thing I'm referring to. I was constantly walking around people snapping shots of woman. I watched one bloke spending upwards to five minutes getting one in frame. I also don't like the fact that many of the presenters where quick to compliment how well I'm playing their game. It all just comes off as these companies not thinking very highly of us.

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@jakob187 said:

I can see the part of this where Patrick is saying "yo, we should stop treating women like objects as a society", but the question is this: when women either allow themselves to be treated like objects or dress themselves up to be objects, how can you start saying "women shouldn't be treated as objects"?

If you read a few pages back I tried to make the same argument. Patrick's response was that this article is about how booth babes "portray the industry" and "has nothing to do with the women themselves" which like I said before, the article doesn't read like that at all. Honestly each time I re-read the article the less sense it makes, I don't get -what- point Patrick is trying to make.

However, you brought up a great point with stuff like peter's balls and such, that does a far worse job portraying the industry than some measly booth babes. I'd theoretically show my mom booth babes trotting out some 3DSes before I'd show her half the content GB does, in reality, though, I don't care either way. Nothing wrong with booth babes and nothing wrong with wanting to play with some old balls.

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@TooWalrus said:

@jakob187 said:

I can see the part of this where Patrick is saying "yo, we should stop treating women like objects as a society", but the question is this: when women either allow themselves to be treated like objects or dress themselves up to be objects, how can you start saying "women shouldn't be treated as objects"?

I mentioned this earlier, but I had few 'feminist' professors my first year of community college, and they think this whole chivalry act is bullshit, and even more demeaning and objectifying. Like, even if Nintendo is using women as a sex object to advertise their games, people with Patricks new-found beliefs are treating women like children or fucking puppies that need protection and can't make decis... Why am I still reading this thread, this whole think is pretty fucked.

I'm asking the same, but at the same point, I'm glad you're bringing this up. We really aren't that fragile and helpless, and I really wish men like would get that through their thick fucking skulls.

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@Zenaxzd said:

@jakob187 said:

I can see the part of this where Patrick is saying "yo, we should stop treating women like objects as a society", but the question is this: when women either allow themselves to be treated like objects or dress themselves up to be objects, how can you start saying "women shouldn't be treated as objects"?

If you read a few pages back I tried to make the same argument. Patrick's response was that this article is about how booth babes "portray the industry" and "has nothing to do with the women themselves" which like I said before the article doesn't read like that at all. Honestly each time I re-read the article the less sense it makes, I don't get -what- point Patrick is trying to make.

However, you brought up a great point with stuff like peter's balls and such, that does a far worse job portraying the industry than some measly booth babes. I'd theoretically show my mom booth babes trotting out some 3DSes before I'd show her half the content GB does, in reality, though, I don't care either way. Nothing wrong with booth babes and nothing wrong with wanting to play with some old balls.

If that is his point and it is not a matter of sexism then it is worth pointing out that E3 booth babes do less damage to the industrie's image than games like Saint's Row. But I am comfortable enough with myself that I am not worried about people thinking I am immature for playing a silly game so I love the hell out of Saint's Row. People never take anyone series as long as they wringing their hands worrying about whether everyone else is taking them serious or not.

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Okay, seriously, I'm done trying to figure out the logic of the people posting. You guys just never bothered to read the fucking article or have missed the point colossally. Well done people, well done.

What point did we miss? That people objectify women and it's bad, but even further that it's immature and if it doesn't change that the gaming industry can't grow up?

Here. Have I introduced you to Juvenile yet?

Or how about unratededitions of DVDs?

Oh, and someone got upset by the booth babes being on the show floor. Personally, if I had been in whats-her-names position, I would've been more ashamed by the shit game I was showing off more than the booth babes. Priorities, eh?

Yes, it's fucked up that women are objectified. At the same time, society isn't going to change. It's sex appeal. It's the way it works. It's human goddamn nature. You aren't going to miraculously change all that, and asking an entire industry to grow up while talking about dick and fart jokes on a daily basis in podcasts and video content on the same website you post an article about immaturity...is STILL a double fucking negative!

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Oh my god, Patrick, you also follow Sarkeesian? She's the coolest!

I'm glad you wrote this article, whenever I brought up anything related to sexism in video games (sometimes using some of Anita's videos) in years past, people would bury me in hateful comments or silly variations on "sexism doesn't exist anymore/ it's just a video game/ it happens to men too", even from top users. Hopefully a more respected person, such as you, can open people's eyes.

Thank you so much for writing this, Patrick.

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@bonbolapti said:

@Turambar: They are women dancing around in clothes they've had all day goofing around in a video intended to be parody.

I'm sure you understand what you're talking about, and what I'm talking about. otherwise this just looks like a random internet person attacking an article with no point or real reason.

It's pretty obvious isn't it?

Meant to be goofy?  Sure.  Meant to be parody?  Not convinced.  The purpose of the video was praise of Rock Band (or was it guitar hero?  I can't tell the difference) where the inclusion of the dancers was either a deliberate choice or a no-brainer choice, and not something meant to invoke any image outside of "look at those hot chicks dancing it up with the rock god."  Both choices lead to the conclusion that such an image was considered indispensable/natural by whoever came up with the video, and runs very much counter to the sentiment "booth babes are the worst thing ever" when it comes to depiction of women for both.
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@Turambar said:

@bonbolapti said:

@Turambar: They are women dancing around in clothes they've had all day goofing around in a video intended to be parody.

I'm sure you understand what you're talking about, and what I'm talking about. otherwise this just looks like a random internet person attacking an article with no point or real reason.

It's pretty obvious isn't it?

Meant to be goofy? Sure. Meant to be parody? Not convinced. The purpose of the video was praise of Rock Band (or was it guitar hero? I can't tell the difference) where the inclusion of the dancers was either a deliberate choice or a no-brainer choice, and not something meant to invoke any image outside of "look at those hot chicks dancing it up with the rock god." Both choices lead to the conclusion that such an image was considered indispensable/natural by whoever came up with the video, and runs very much counter to the sentiment "booth babes are the worst thing ever" when it comes to depiction of women for both.

I was in college and it was a goofy parody video for a Guitar Hero contest for 1UP. Yeesh!

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Good to see that the "women" fighting for their equality are just as quick to subjugate those disgusting, horrible booth babes. Nothing says I want fair treatment than demeaning someone you don't agree with, even if they're just doing their job. And the fact that a complaint rooted in a women's self-image is somehow grounds for moral outrage is hilarious. I'm not sure if I went to a bodybuilding competition and started complaining about how wimpy and out of shape I feel, I would get as much sympathy. Not that I agree with objectification, just a quite obvious double standard.

EDIT: Minor punctuation error.

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All of the problems regarding sexism would be solved if we would just punch dudes in the face when they act like pigs. Unfortunately, there's no way we can punch almost every dude on earth in the face. At least, not until we invent face-punching robots.