Something went wrong. Try again later

Giant Bomb News

190 Comments

Gabe Newell Opens Up About Steam Box Plans

Really not sure how I feel about relevant news coming out of CES.

No Caption Provided

That was fast. The Verge caught up with Valve’s Gabe Newell, who spilled way more beans that you’d expect about Valve’s hardware plans in the future, which do include a box of some kind.

Newell is at CES in Las Vegas this week to meet with different companies about its hardware plans, and has come with a number of prototypes in tow.

“We think that there are pluses and minuses to open systems that could make things a little messier, it’s much more like herding cats, so we try to take the pieces where we’re going to add the best value and then encourage other people to do it,” said Newell. “So it tends to mean that a lot of people get involved. We’re not imposing a lot of restrictions on people on how they’re getting involved.”

This explains the Xi3 announcement. Xi3 will not be the last piece of hardware to have Steam support, but it’s also not the mythical Steam Box that we’ve been expecting Valve to produce itself.

That box does exist.

“We’ll come out with our own and we’ll sell it to consumers by ourselves,” he said. “That’ll be a Linux box, [and] if you want to install Windows you can. We’re not going to make it hard. This is not some locked box by any stretch of the imagination. We also think that a controller that has higher precision and lower latency is another interesting thing to have.”

The company is also experimenting with low-latency controller solutions, and some designs include a touch screen. It’s possible a controller could incorporate biometric data, as well. Valve's not sure if motion control has much more to it, either. All of Newell’s answers suggest there is significant experimentation happening at Valve, and it hasn’t nailed down specifics. How many companies can be this specific and vague at the same time and get away with it?

It’s worth reading the whole interview, by the way. Hopefully, we’ll have even more details soon. Exciting!

Patrick Klepek on Google+

190 Comments

Avatar image for puddlesworth
puddlesworth

71

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By puddlesworth

@themangalist said:

how much of it functions like a PC though? Can I say, install Photoshop on it? Get mods for my games on the internet via a browser app on the Steam box? Still need to wait for them to reveal how everything is going to work. Right now being able to run a dozen of indie games and Valve products on a Linux-based "computer" just doesn't cut it for me.

My understanding is that a linux steam box is meant to compete in the console space. There aren't any games available for Durango(xbox720)/Orbis(ps4) either, but once those consoles come out no one is worried there won't be any games. If there's enough excitement/demand for this box then games will be made for it.

In some way existing windows games are a backwards compatibility problem. And I think most people don't care that much about backwards compatibility.

Avatar image for platina32
platina32

36

Forum Posts

51

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By platina32

Wow, I'm really interested in this stuff. Valve has some great ideas.

Avatar image for pudge
Pudge

1305

Forum Posts

328

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 11

Edited By Pudge

As someone who is typing this on a computer hooked up to a TV already, I can't wait to have a streaming solution that will allow me to play PC games on the TV while still having a powerful machine at my desk. Forget Xbox or PS4, this is the next and last generation of consoles right here.

Avatar image for oraknabo
oraknabo

1744

Forum Posts

12

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 6

Edited By oraknabo

Has anyone here complaining about the problems of Linux been on the Steam Linux Beta? It seems to work fine for me and I'm on Arch, not Ubuntu. The 3D games I have on it (Amnesia, TF2, Darwinia) all work better on my linux side than on Windows on the exact same machine.

Avatar image for xeirus
Xeirus

1729

Forum Posts

418

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 2

Edited By Xeirus

@thabigred said:

@Veektarius said:

This would be a great way to end the tech divide between console players and computer players. The real question to me is what kind of performance this thing will have. Is it meant to compete with gaming PCs? Will its hardware be upgradeable just like a personal computer? Those are the questions that will affect whether I end up having one of these.

Also, just how flush with cash is Valve these days? They must have a lot of income via Steam, but I'm not sure what their cut is on those products.

around 30% on every sale is what an indie developer told me personally but it's on a game by game basis.

Valve has more than enough money to do anything they want, I wouldn't worry.

Also, the "steam box" is described as a "module unit", meaning it will be able to be upgraded with minimal effort.

At first I thought this was just dumb and doomed to fail, but the more I hear about it the more interested I get, which isn't usually the way these things happen. I hope everything works out, if it does it will change things for the better.

Avatar image for granderojo
granderojo

1898

Forum Posts

1071

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 12

User Lists: 1

Edited By granderojo

@Veektarius said:

This would be a great way to end the tech divide between console players and computer players. The real question to me is what kind of performance this thing will have. Is it meant to compete with gaming PCs? Will its hardware be upgradeable just like a personal computer? Those are the questions that will affect whether I end up having one of these.

Also, just how flush with cash is Valve these days? They must have a lot of income via Steam, but I'm not sure what their cut is on those products.

around 30% on every sale is what an indie developer told me personally but it's on a game by game basis.

Avatar image for veektarius
veektarius

6420

Forum Posts

45

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 11

User Lists: 1

Edited By veektarius

This would be a great way to end the tech divide between console players and computer players. The real question to me is what kind of performance this thing will have. Is it meant to compete with gaming PCs? Will its hardware be upgradeable just like a personal computer? Those are the questions that will affect whether I end up having one of these.

Also, just how flush with cash is Valve these days? They must have a lot of income via Steam, but I'm not sure what their cut is on those products.

Avatar image for fminus
FMinus

410

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By FMinus

@Phished0ne said:

Low Latency controllers? has anyone ever actually experienced any noticeable lag between controller and system, even on wireless?

Due to the input methods of controllers you don't notice it. When the controllers allow for such sensitivity and DPI settings as the recent mouses (mice) you notice quite a huge lag, from when you flick the stick to when the action takes place on the screen.

But because most console games and even hardware wont allow you to set the settings to this precision you don't notice that. There was BT controller I had where I could basically nudge the stick for 0.5mm and the object on screen would make a 180 degree turn, it was heavily skipping frames or not moving at all, especially when you were not flicking but actually playing with very minor stick adjustments.

Was the same with the mouse really, as long as you had standard settings and didn't go for the extreme you were fine, as soon as you tweaked those, you noticed that you must increase the polling rate of that thing or it just starts to skip like mad dropping your actual input every so often, making it unplayable.

Avatar image for morkaithewolf
morkaithewolf

202

Forum Posts

182

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 4

Edited By morkaithewolf

Exciting times people!

Avatar image for superfriend
superfriend

1786

Forum Posts

10

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By superfriend

Linux just breaks the whole deal. Nothing works on that shit without some serious investment of time by the end user.

If they can somehow create their own linux distribution that finally makes sense to everybody and has zero problems with hardware (forget internal stuff, I´m talking about input devices and external drives)... maybe this could be worth something. It would still have major problems because most games on steam don´t exactly run on linux?!

Maybe they are developing some sort of super-wine.. other than that I can not see this being ever released.

First order of business should be: Get everything to run in Big Picture mode with a controller, even games that don´t support it natively. THEN think about how everything on steam released up to this point can run on a single box. Linux just seems to get in the way of that idea.

Avatar image for fminus
FMinus

410

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By FMinus

@ripelivejam said:

@dinkley2 said:

lunix is only for hackers and not games.. gtfo whoever this bigshot outoutftouch ceo is supsd to be tbh.

umm well considering LINUX forms the backbone for many large company's servers its most definitely not only for hackers. and while i agree it still has a long way to go for gaming and may not quite get there considering it's been around for awhile now and gaming still hasn't taken off on it, steam's push for it shows it has potential. it only needs developers willing to port over to it.

Things to consider, Windows came out in 1985, Linux in 1991. Windows had a ~6 year headstard and look at it now. The Linux people haven't done squat shit in the last 20 years to improve the user experience for Joe Ordinary people to make it appealing.

Up to like 2006 you still had damn-self-killing Linux text-input installs with acronym selections which no sane person who is not dealing with computers could have known and when you were finally done, you still ended in the shell not in a graphical environment.

I was dealing with Linux on a daily basis from 1994 - 2005, had it installed at home and worked with it for a living, it's a nonsensical system to be running at home. Everything a home user wants to do, Windows does better and so does OSX, which is regulated and that's what is missing from all the Linux distros - standards.

Hypothetically speaking, if my 62 year old father (who plays Call of Duty 2 hours per day and checks his emails daily) switches to another Windows PC, even tho it might not be running the version he has at home (he has 8) he will still manage to find icons to check the mail and to launch the game, cause the interface is pretty much the same on Windows since 95, whilst if he would be running a Linux distro at home, he would probably get completely lost when he would walk to a different Linux distro somewhere else, he would get lost if I change GNOME to KDE, let alone full distros.

Even now, with distros like Ubuntu, there is still tons problems with getting things to work properly or work at all, partly due to manufacturers support, partly to the Linux (developers/contributors) themselves.

Linux will only succeed if they get their asses together and say, for example, Ubuntu will be the de-facto user distribution we will use, and this is how our graphical interface will look for the next 20 years (with minor adjustments ofc), this are the standard install files, standard archived files and be done with it. And all the other distros have to follow suit, not that I have to download 20 different version of the same program to run on 20 different Linux versions, Linux will be nothing more as fancy paperweight at home, no hardware manufacturer will invest into consumer compatibility more as they are doing now, and certainly not software developers.

Steam pushing to Linux (and only working on Ubuntu) wont do squat. See the problem, "Yes we're on Linux, but we only run on Ubuntu, not RedHat, not Mandrake, not Suse, not Caldera, not Slackware and all the 100 other distributions.

Linux is fine in embeded systems just like Java, for everything else there's better alternatives again just like for Java.

As for the servers part, I haven't seen a serious server running anything but Unix (which is a lot more standardized and secure with fewer push updates that break things) in my career.

Avatar image for vigorousjammer
vigorousjammer

3020

Forum Posts

66164

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 14

User Lists: 41

Edited By vigorousjammer

The idea of a steambox seems pretty cool if it gets done right.  By that, I mean I'd want a steambox that would boot directly into big picture mode and I'd also want big picture mode to be updated so if you have a game in your library that can't run on your system, it'll get greyed out, or just not show up on the list at all. 
Showing the partial and full controller support is pretty good already. 
 
I'm actually most excited about the possibilities of a low-latency controller.  If Valve can make a controller that has the precision of a mouse, and the erganomics of a 360 pad or a dualshock, I may just literally jizz my pants when I get my hands on one.

Avatar image for jamesisaacs
jamesisaacs

228

Forum Posts

288

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By jamesisaacs

Steambox doesn't seem worth it. A pointless endeavour..

Avatar image for mattclassic
mattclassic

513

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By mattclassic

Oh man E3's gonna be real interesting this year

Avatar image for kagato
kagato

1162

Forum Posts

3

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 5

User Lists: 7

Edited By kagato

Call me crazy but i much prefer having the PC i built with my own two hands running my Steam games, at least when i power it up i know it will run everything because i put the components in myself. I can see this being of value to those who want to play PC games but dont know what they need and dont want to pay over the odds for a "gaming" pc. Good luck to them, the more people playing games the better.

Avatar image for abendlaender
abendlaender

3100

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By abendlaender

I'm really excited by this. I'm not even that interested in a Steam Box but I really want to see what Valve can bring to the table.

Avatar image for wiqidbritt
WiqidBritt

601

Forum Posts

10

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

Edited By WiqidBritt

@Phished0ne said:

Low Latency controllers? has anyone ever actually experienced any noticeable lag between controller and system, even on wireless?

I believe I've heard it mentioned before by some extremely picky assholes (Arthur Gies on Rebel FM a few times I think) But it's something most people don't notice.

What I notice much more is post-processing effect lag that a lot of high end TVs add to whatever video signal they receive. For watching TV or movies it's a non issue, but for games it can cause a good half second delay between button press and on screen action. Dealing with that is way more important than wireless controller lag.

Avatar image for grasu
Grasu

49

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Grasu

@kerse said:

He looks so old, anyone know his age?

he's older than the reapers

Avatar image for innovacious
Innovacious

264

Forum Posts

146

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Innovacious

It annoys me how the verge guy asks about Netflix and competing with these other systems for multimedia stuff. The whole idea of a steambox is just a small form factor pre-built PC for people who aren't quite as hardware savvy as some of us. Its still a personal computer... Its open, not a closed system like consoles where you only get to use what they give you. Open your browser; go to netflix; done. Competing with those systems on multimedia? A PC has infinite more options both streaming and locally with a much wider range of supported file types.

Avatar image for incapability
Incapability

244

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Incapability

I'm totally not interested in buying one myself, but I guess I'm interested in seeing where they take it, and what it will turn out to be - particularly in terms of cost, distribution, support, content, etc.

Avatar image for probablytuna
probablytuna

5010

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By probablytuna

Hmmm, doesn't sound like something I would need. Then again I might not be the target audience.

Avatar image for winternet
Winternet

8454

Forum Posts

2255

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 6

Edited By Winternet

@Cincaid said:

@Uberjannie said:

@Cincaid: They emulate it, which is not the best of option. If all else fails, there are still OpenGL :D

So Newell goes on record on interviews stating that Windows 8 is 'unusable', and instead resorts to emulating key component drivers for games? I'm no tech nerd (wish I was!), but that seems like a weird solution.

They have probably some clever solution to it. Hearing them talk about latency in controllers and then they go "what? Fuck, we'll emulate that, I don't know"? Nah. (at least I hope not. Who the fuck knows?)

Avatar image for luck702
Luck702

960

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Luck702

What I would give to work at Valve...

Avatar image for seppli
Seppli

11232

Forum Posts

9

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 7

User Lists: 0

Edited By Seppli

Told you so.

Avatar image for generic_username
generic_username

943

Forum Posts

1494

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 7

Edited By generic_username

I would really like to buy a (relatively, at least) affordable machine that could play modern PC games. There are plenty that I'd love to play, I just don't have the money to drop on a new PC, and my laptop can barely run Morrowind.

Avatar image for smiddy
smiddy

375

Forum Posts

265

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By smiddy

If anyone can do it, Valve (Gabe) can.

Avatar image for cincaid
Cincaid

3053

Forum Posts

23409

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 5

Edited By Cincaid

@Uberjannie said:

@Cincaid: They emulate it, which is not the best of option. If all else fails, there are still OpenGL :D

So Newell goes on record on interviews stating that Windows 8 is 'unusable', and instead resorts to emulating key component drivers for games? I'm no tech nerd (wish I was!), but that seems like a weird solution.

Avatar image for nikoran
Nikoran

172

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Edited By Nikoran

@xbob42: They'll find a way!

Avatar image for xbob42
xbob42

926

Forum Posts

4

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Edited By xbob42

@Nikoran said:

I swear, if Episode 3 is a steambox exclusive I'm going to be mad.

It's a box... that has Steam on it. You can't have "exclusives" for it. :p If you have a PC, you have a steambox! Whatever controller they come up with, I can guarantee you can plug it into whatever computer you already have.

Avatar image for outerabiz
outerabiz

717

Forum Posts

16

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By outerabiz

@IntoTheN1ght: i do all my pc gaming on steam, if it's not on steam i don't play it, unless it's bf3 i played that for a couple of weeks.

Avatar image for fusion42
fusion42

67

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By fusion42

pretty cool. Especially the controller part.

Avatar image for uberjannie
Uberjannie

358

Forum Posts

29

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Uberjannie

@Cincaid: They emulate it, which is not the best of option. If all else fails, there are still OpenGL :D

Avatar image for nikoran
Nikoran

172

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Edited By Nikoran

I swear, if Episode 3 is a steambox exclusive I'm going to be mad.

Avatar image for crithon
crithon

3979

Forum Posts

1823

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 11

Edited By crithon

valve's babysteps, nothing new. Maybe 4 years from now they will be serious

Avatar image for cincaid
Cincaid

3053

Forum Posts

23409

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 6

User Lists: 5

Edited By Cincaid

Maybe I'm missing something here, but doesn't like 99% of modern games require the use of DirectX? Which doesn't exist on Linux? I'm not trolling, it's a honest question! :D

Avatar image for bourbon_warrior
Bourbon_Warrior

4569

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Bourbon_Warrior

I just want to know if I can use the 360 wireless controller adapter for my controllers and steering wheel?

Avatar image for bourbon_warrior
Bourbon_Warrior

4569

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Bourbon_Warrior

@Spikey said:

They should call it the GabeCube.

Trombone guy approves

Avatar image for phished0ne
Phished0ne

2969

Forum Posts

1841

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 7

Edited By Phished0ne

Low Latency controllers? has anyone ever actually experienced any noticeable lag between controller and system, even on wireless?

Avatar image for spikey
Spikey

24

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 3

Edited By Spikey

They should call it the GabeCube.

Avatar image for ptys
ptys

2290

Forum Posts

3

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 14

Edited By ptys

It's cool that this is happening.

Avatar image for sharkethic
SharkEthic

1091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By SharkEthic

@Beforet said:

Not too interested in a Steam box, but if they let me purchase a licence for whatever distro of linux(assuming they would charge, which I imagine they would) they use, I would be down for that.

Sooo, what you're saying is, that you just wan't a machine running Linux, then? We can make that happen, free of charge, no new hardware required, you know.

Avatar image for lazyaza
Lazyaza

2584

Forum Posts

7938

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 27

User Lists: 43

Edited By Lazyaza

@cexantus: Hmm yeah I guess, for some reason I still think of Valve as this giant PC-only company so the idea of them making a dedicated hardware for any purpose kinda freaks me out a little lol.

Avatar image for chrisharris
ChrisHarris

295

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By ChrisHarris

@tourgen said:

and the 1-frame-behind-at-best HD TV "revolution".

It was made even worse with what looks to be the holy grail of 2D display technology taunting us from just over the horizon for the last few years. I hope 2013 will finally begin the shift to OLED TVs, assuming they can fix the 2012 manufacturing yield issues. It's about fucking time...

Avatar image for dan_citi
Dan_CiTi

5599

Forum Posts

308

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 2

Edited By Dan_CiTi

I hope the controller stuff works out, the rest sounds kind of blah, without any real promise. But usually Valve can pull something out of its hat, we will see.

Avatar image for dredlockz
Dredlockz

382

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

Edited By Dredlockz

Gabe Newel said:

“... it’s much more like herding cats, so we...”
No Caption Provided
Avatar image for intothen1ght
IntoTheN1ght

63

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By IntoTheN1ght

I understand the excitement because most people have had a good experience with Steam and everyone loves cheap games. I also understand people have grown tired of the Big 3 console makers because they all do shit that we sometimes shake our heads at.

But it is as if nobody is thinking realistically about this.

Valve =/= PC gaming, even tough alot of loyalists to Steam/Valve want to believe that. Some of the most popular games right now are not even on Steam, League of Legends, Blizzard games, most EA games, Minecraft and many more. This means that this console of theirs likely will not have any of these major titles that are associated with PC gaming of today. The catch is that the good stuff Steam does have, is already on the PC and better. What Counter Strike player do you think is going to want to sit down on his couch and play CS with a pad? Look at the numbers for CS:GO, game fell hard and people went back to the original. You think DOTA players want to fiddle around with it?

Yeah Steam is great, most people reading this likely have 50-100+ games on Steam but how many of them do you actually play much at all? Everyone ive seen says the same thing, "i only play CS/TF2 and sometimes DOTA otherwise i barely play my games". Sure its anecdotal, but it seems people enjoy the idea of Steam (and thus this Steambox) more than the actual idea of playing games on it.

Oh look, a cheap bundle, how can i say no to this!?? And then you proceed to never play any of these games again, at best you will boot them up once to set up the graphics configuration and never bother again.

Go ahead, release this thing when its done and lets see how it does, as long as Valve protects themselves and dont invest too much into it.

Avatar image for mellotronrules
mellotronrules

3606

Forum Posts

26

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By mellotronrules

so much pessimism- which probably isn't entirely unwarranted (since no one knows how hardware is going to shake out in the next 5 years or so). but for me it's simple- my experience with valve (between steam and their game releases) has been entirely positive. they seem like a forward-thinking company, so i for one am looking forward to see what this new hardware initiative brings.

Avatar image for feigr
feigr

224

Forum Posts

92

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 0

Edited By feigr

@LikeaSsur said:

Year of the beard?

That's all years!

Avatar image for scorch
Scorch

128

Forum Posts

168

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Edited By Scorch

Yawn. Just focus on getting Steam more stable and more focused, not all this half-assed social media featureset that's bloating the application. His Windows 8 store whining is even more laughable now.