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Hey Turn 10, Announce Your Game Already

All this assuming it's a new Project Gotham sequel is really wearing me out.

Cars go vroom and stuff. What do you want, it's Friday.
Speculation has been swirling for a while now that Forza developer Turn 10 will be doing the rubber-burning on the next installment of Project Gotham Racing, that being PGR5. Sticking Microsoft-owned Turn 10 on PGR would be pretty close to a no-brainer, since

  • those guys proved their racing chops pretty handily with the Forza games, and
  • PGR creator Bizarre Creations is now slaving full-time under the Activision yoke

Addict Gaming dumped more fuel on the fire today, saying that a "reliable source" close to Turn 10 has let it slip that, yes, the studio is doing the next PGR. More interestingly, it will supposedly be announced in "the next two weeks" based on a "NXE announcement" set for next week. We took that to mean the New Xbox Experience, so presumably the game could roll out to correspond with more information on one of the new dashboard features.

But then, it's been my perception that Forza was the rising star of Xbox racing games while PGR may have fallen out of favor with fans after so many installments. (Fans, feel free to correct me.) So why stick Turn 10 on PGR when they could just do another Forza?

Unless they're doing both! A Turn 10 rep offered this terribly illuminating comment.

We're knee-deep in production on our next project but we don't currently have anything to announce. I can say that this next game is by far our most ambitious yet in terms of design and production. So with the expansion of the studio and all the new-hires, it's been pretty exciting here at Turn 10 as of late.

A bigger staff might mean the studio is able to ramp up early production on another Forza while finishing off the latest PGR. Or it might just mean their next game, PGR or not, is just complicated enough to require more manpower. Time will tell!

While we're on the Xbox tip, here's a video detailing the latest piece of the Xbox Experience puzzle to fall into place: Avatar creation.

  


So, PGR or Forza: which one turns your crank faster?
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Posted by Brad
Cars go vroom and stuff. What do you want, it's Friday.
Speculation has been swirling for a while now that Forza developer Turn 10 will be doing the rubber-burning on the next installment of Project Gotham Racing, that being PGR5. Sticking Microsoft-owned Turn 10 on PGR would be pretty close to a no-brainer, since

  • those guys proved their racing chops pretty handily with the Forza games, and
  • PGR creator Bizarre Creations is now slaving full-time under the Activision yoke

Addict Gaming dumped more fuel on the fire today, saying that a "reliable source" close to Turn 10 has let it slip that, yes, the studio is doing the next PGR. More interestingly, it will supposedly be announced in "the next two weeks" based on a "NXE announcement" set for next week. We took that to mean the New Xbox Experience, so presumably the game could roll out to correspond with more information on one of the new dashboard features.

But then, it's been my perception that Forza was the rising star of Xbox racing games while PGR may have fallen out of favor with fans after so many installments. (Fans, feel free to correct me.) So why stick Turn 10 on PGR when they could just do another Forza?

Unless they're doing both! A Turn 10 rep offered this terribly illuminating comment.

We're knee-deep in production on our next project but we don't currently have anything to announce. I can say that this next game is by far our most ambitious yet in terms of design and production. So with the expansion of the studio and all the new-hires, it's been pretty exciting here at Turn 10 as of late.

A bigger staff might mean the studio is able to ramp up early production on another Forza while finishing off the latest PGR. Or it might just mean their next game, PGR or not, is just complicated enough to require more manpower. Time will tell!

While we're on the Xbox tip, here's a video detailing the latest piece of the Xbox Experience puzzle to fall into place: Avatar creation.

  


So, PGR or Forza: which one turns your crank faster?
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Posted by lafigueroa

Forza 3 was rumored to have 3 disks worth of content, so I assume they're hard at work on that. Even if it's not true, I don't think they would leave Forza 3 in production...

Posted by PLWolf

I'd like to see them do something similar to what Polyphony Digital did with GT2.

One disc with the simulation racing, customization, and car collecting (Forza 3) and one disc with a more Arcade feel where you can use the cars from the other disc. (PGR5)

It would be interesting to see them put that together.

Posted by ddensel

Personally I prefer Forza to PGR, there's just something about the way PGR handles that I don't dig. Adding motorcycles to the forth game seemed desperate.

But I think PGR is the bigger franchise and will sell better, so it makes business sense to move the Forza team to see what they can do for their more well known racing franchise.

I wonder if PGR5 will be for Xbox 360 or be a launch title for the next Xbox.....

Posted by ManMadeGod

Forza never clicked with me which is weird since I'm a massive GT fan. On the other hand I have been having a blast with PGR3 & 4 on my 360; it's a good alternative racer. There really are no other racing games to play besides Need for Speed and EA has run that franchise into the ground. So I guess another PGR would be great unless they try to turn it into Forza.

Posted by Lepuke

I love Forza, so I would like to see another installment of that series instead of a new PGR. Although if the studio can handle making fine versions of both franchises I'm all for that too.

Posted by jakob187

I remember the rumor for the 2-3 discs worth of content for Forza 3, with something like over 1,000 different cars and 200 tracks or something.

Let's all be honest here.  PGR is a great game in terms of physics and overall beauty and such, but when it comes down to it, menu-based pick-and-choose racing with stock, uncustomized cars just isn't that much fun.  Even a game as pretty and amazing well-built as Grid just doesn't hold up for much replay value when you can't tune your shit.

And this is coming from a hardcore Grid fan.

So enough said.  I could deal with PGR going bye-bye and having Turn 10 and M$ stickin' with Forza.

Besides, I don't think we could take another GT game without some form of competition to prove why they are better.  = D
Posted by d0x

If the next Forza is delayed for even 1 day because of PGR I will not buy either game.  I have gotten every game in the PGR line and I even have Metropolis Street Racer for Dreamcast BUT I love sims and Forza 2 is the king so Forza 3 could only be better.  I've already waited long enough for it.

I bought Gran Turismo: P to try and hold me over but honestly the game played just like GT3 and 4 with better graphics.  Same old physics, same old AI.  Where is my Forza 3!?

Posted by NarcolepticBat

the fact that larry says in the video "the goatee is on the last page" then he pauses for a minute before switching pages makes me believe the video wasnt in face in real time and was being controlled by some xbox d00d.

Posted by ferrarimanf355

Five grand, FIVE GRAND, says I'll buy whatever Turn 10 does next... am I doing it right?

Posted by Godzilla_Sushi

Yeah we kind of knew this before we even knew this. I know right!

It'll definitely be nice to see a yearly release from Turn 10 instead of having to wait two years for their magic. Plus, well, where did Forza 3 go again? I want it, and badly.

Posted by Destroyeron

Played PGR for a good 30 seconds, hated every second of it.

It's also good to see every console except the Wii, trying to be the Wii; which I consider unfortunate, cause I don't care for that either.

Posted by Milkman

I think I'd rather have a new Forza but I'm definitely not going to complain about a Turn 10 developed Project Gotham Racing.

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Posted by MrKlorox

Wow... Brad appears to have the same dislike for Massive Explosive image captions as ever.

I never got into the PGR series at all. It isn't my type of racer. I thought Forza 2 was interesting, but it didn't keep me enthralled as long as I would have liked. I am curious to see how the next Forza and PGR turn out though... but for now I'm looking at Midnight Club LA more closely.

EDIT: Hooray for avatar belching. Too bad it also doesn't fart like in the top down GTAs when you press the horn while on foot.

Posted by Gregomasta

I am sick of avatars, Mii's were enough, I hope theirs an option to NOT have an avatar in this new xbox OS update.

Posted by TheWorstPlayerEver

I love the PGR series way more than Forza. My buddy and me race online in PGR4 all the time and it never gets old

Posted by jakob187

Yes, there is an option to keep the old blade-style Xbox setup if you don't like the new one...as far as I remember hearing.  I don't work for Microsoft, and besides...even if you asked them if there was an option, we know what they'd say:  W.D.N.C.O.R.O.S.

Posted by Subway

360 Needs more racing games, and luckily Turn 10 makes great games. I hope if they are making PGR5 they will make it more sim styled though.

Posted by The_A_Drain

Forza was a pile. Car sims just dont sit well with me, PGR on the other hand rocked the house down, its the only racing game i've ever legitimately enjoyed. Different things for different people I suppose, but I wholeheartedly disagree with the comments along the lines of "Forza should be more arcadey" or "PGR should be more simulation this time" no way no how. You want a sim, stick to your sim, you want an arcadey racer, stick to those dont attempt to blur the lines, or change a series, it just alienates everybody.

Posted by cikame

Terrible idea, i absolutely hated forza2, pgr4 is the best racing game i've ever played.

Thats like getting the developers of Hour of Victory to make Half-Life 3.

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Posted by DiGiTaL_SiN

I like PGR alot! More than Forza I might add.

Too much sim=not much fun.

Posted by MattBodega

I don't even like Sim racers, and I still thought Forza 2 was great.

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Posted by Rio

ugh please make it the next forza , pgr is slowly dying.  Forza is one of two decent console racing "sims",  we have midnight club, burnout, and nfs for arcade racing needs....... let the sim guys get there games please.

Posted by GalvanizedNails

I feeling the thing they have been talking about, how this project is more ambitous, has to mean its Forza related. There simply aren't enough things they could do in PGR to expand the possiblitities to the scope of Forza 2's community run stuff like tuning garages and such. As the owner of a tuning garage I really hope it is a Forza 3, and if its not there would likely be a huge fan outcry. Its time for MS to face it. There are just way too many arcade racers out there that are better than PGR. I would rather have T10 stick with what they know best, sim racers.

Posted by IRONWARRIOR

I like PGR better.  And I hate avators, I hope you can keep the blades dash board.

Posted by Pathos

"And if you click in the right thumbstick, watch this..you can make him burp!"

Best part of that video.

The idea sounds interesting but looks like a complete copy of the Miis, but all grown up. 
Posted by Dudacles

I love F2, but I've never played PGR so I really cant't comment.

Posted by Alexander

The problem is that they are very different games, I quite liked the simulation but really liked the style of PGR3. PGR4 didn't really go anywhere the demo told me enough. So what I would like to see is a game with photorealistic graphics, better than GT5, the vinyl livery editor so we can carry on making awesome art work on our cars, a weathering system like PGR4, the same level of customisation and performance upgrades as in Forza 2, an in-cockpit view, an auction house like Forza, more tracks....as for handling I'm really torn, PGR is easier to play, Forza is much more about mastering your car and the track. I just don't know about that. :(

The 360 needs a driving simulation to compete with Grand Turismo....

Posted by AndrewB

The making your avatar burp thing is what held up the fall dashboard update for so long. That feature is still in beta testing. Inside sources say they've almost perfected it.

Posted by PercyChuggs

Forza is so much better than PGR.

Posted by Kohe321

I like PGR better than forza, for whatever reason...

Posted by BlazeHedgehog

PGR. PGR is the right balance of fun driving and "just enough sim" that, to me, the uninitiated casual racing fan, that the controls are "realistic" without being punishingly so.

Forza, on the other hand, is very dry, very clinical, and a little too realistic for me. For me, most of my experience with Forza 2 (e.g. just the demo) is spent from last place.

Posted by CharleyTony

I  would really dig a Forza 3/PGR 5 combo release.
All they have to do is focus on a common graphics ( and physics) engine, use common vehicule assets, and tweak both games to cater to their respective styles..

man that game would sell...

Posted by Ontheocho

I would be happy to see the PGR franchize die if it ment that turn 10 was putting all of their focus on a new Forza  game.  I don't want to see them distracted.  Forza 2, in my opinion, is easily the best and most revolutionary racing title of this current generation.  Why try to revive a competative IP when they don't have to?  Just make Forza 3 Hella awesome.

Posted by dsm2xtreme

I'm a big Forza fan, but I think they made the cars far too easy to spinout in FM2. I hope they take a little car handleing from PG4 and move it over for the next installment of Forza. I'm down with a 3 DVD set though!

Edited by Bouke

Forza, no doubt!
Posted by MonkeysDad

Got to be PGR for me. Pulling off mad slides for kudos in the rain is one of the best experiences of this console generation for me. Besides, you can dip in and out of PGR whereas Forza requires, you know, patience.

Posted by Slimer

Hmm, release forza one year and pgr the next? sounds like a good idea to me.

I picked up pgr3 and played a fair amount of that. it was alright, but i much preferred forza to it. didn't play pgr4 though, just seemed to be the same with bikes and rain.

I wouldnt say no to either though! They should bring it out soon to give me something to do while we wait for GT5

Posted by eXists

PGR for online, Forza for offline. FYI - I hate Kudos! ;-) The wireless wheel is priceless, go get it, it's also pretty cheap now.

Posted by Th3_James

forza is pure garbage, pgr is an endorphin rush to your balls