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Is From Software Straight Up Killing Early Dark Souls Players?

Why? Because it's Dark Souls. Because they can.

The idea of From Software killing off its own players definitely sounds like From Software.
The idea of From Software killing off its own players definitely sounds like From Software.

As if someone playing Dark Souls doesn't have enough crap to worry about, apparently developer From Software is messing with anyone who's managed to get their hands on an early copy by dropping in as "Black Phantoms" to nastily kill them as they journey on.

Japanese gaming blog Esuteru snapped a shot of one of the high-level player-controlled enemies floating around. It's difficult to confirm whether this is true, but because it sounds so much like something From Software would do, I find it impossible not to pass on the possibility.

The story goes that maxed out, level 145 "Black Phantoms" are roaming around. It takes dozens of hours to even achieve 30 or 40 levels for your own character, so it's not hard to do the math on why this is ridiculous. "Black Phantoms" are controlled by players, allowing them to wreck havoc in other player worlds.

The game launches in Japan this week, so the people roaming around are either game reviewers with early copies of the game or someone managed to convince a retailer to sell it ahead of the street date.

I keep trying to convince myself that Dark Souls is something I want to play, but every time Vinny talks about the game's madness, that idea disappers. Dark Souls (and by extension, Demon's Souls) has the same appeal to me as EVE Online: I want to hear stories about people playing these games, without the pressure of figuring out the total nightmare on my own.

Namco Bandai is currently waiting on word via From Software about this story. Stay tuned.

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If the copies are legit they shouldn't be griefing the customers. Between this and the chat issue, they are quickly making this a game I'll get only if I have extra cash as opposed to a guaranteed purchase.

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"I want to hear stories about people playing these games, without the pressure of figuring out the total nightmare on my own."

I'll be figuring this out! The first game was a blast! :-)

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I already love this game.

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Haha, that's awesome.

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@Jumanji said:

I keep trying to convince myself that Dark Souls is something I want to play, but every time Vinny talks about the game's madness, that idea disappers.

Really, fuck everyone who played Demon's Souls and sells it like an e-peen experience.  It's the ultimate case of the fans ruining the band.

DEMON'S SOULS IS NOT LIKE CONTRA. IT IS NOT AN UNBEATABLE MASOCHISTIC GAME EXPERIENCE
 
Demon's Souls simply asks you to experiment with a variety of mechanics and apply them to novel situations without the benefit of in-game tutorialization. It is completely up to the player as to how you navigate the game's obstacles, and there are MANY strategies for dealing with each seemingly intractable problem. If you are persistent and creative, you will find Demon's Souls really rewarding.
 
 

I agree with this.  
 
I love Demon's Souls. Probably my favorite game this gen but 90% fanbase...just holy shit; the worst kind of people you can imagine. It's either "THIS GAME IS SO HARD! I LOVE HARD GAMES RAWGWRWGWG!" or it's "You don't like the game? Clearly there is something wrong with you! People couldn't possible dislike or have no interest in the greatest rpg ever created!"
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Fucking serves them right. If I recall a bunch of these street date breakers are putting down fake or misleading hints on the ground.

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@AhmadMetallic said:

"from software" ? thats the name of the developer? >_>

Epic Megagames was already taken.

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love it

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Fantastic. Great way to approach things.

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@Chop said:
@Jumanji said:

I keep trying to convince myself that Dark Souls is something I want to play, but every time Vinny talks about the game's madness, that idea disappers.

Really, fuck everyone who played Demon's Souls and sells it like an e-peen experience.  It's the ultimate case of the fans ruining the band.

DEMON'S SOULS IS NOT LIKE CONTRA. IT IS NOT AN UNBEATABLE MASOCHISTIC GAME EXPERIENCE
 
Demon's Souls simply asks you to experiment with a variety of mechanics and apply them to novel situations without the benefit of in-game tutorialization. It is completely up to the player as to how you navigate the game's obstacles, and there are MANY strategies for dealing with each seemingly intractable problem. If you are persistent and creative, you will find Demon's Souls really rewarding.
 
 

I agree with this.   I love Demon's Souls. Probably my favorite game this gen but 90% fanbase...just holy shit. Just the worst kind of people you can imagine; don't let the idiots turn you off the game. 
What I've noticed a lot lately is people seem to confuse hard with time consuming.  It's not hard it's you have to take some time to learn how to play it, and take your time while playing it. Just not waving your arms and running around.
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That is truly epic. now I'm even more excited about for 10/04!

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@thehexeditor said:

Fucking serves them right. If I recall a bunch of these street date breakers are putting down fake or misleading hints on the ground.

Well that's half the fun anyways XD
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@Captain_Rick said:

@gladspooky said:

@SirPsychoSexy said:

@gladspooky: I think any 2/3 to a retard could figure out they meant killing players in game.

Doesn't make it any less of a stupid title.

No your post was just not as cleaver as you thought it was.

Cleaver? I'm sorry, it's clear English isn't your first language. You see, 'player' is the person playing the game. 'Player character' is the player's representation within the game.

And no one needs to get confused about who is getting killed for this article's title to look ridiculous. It just does. This ain't no life-altering thing. Just something I felt like pointing out.

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@afjkidd5: If this 'griefing' upsets you, don't bother buying the game at all. 
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Thats kind of awesome, I kinda want to get a copy early now just to see the craziness.

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That's great! From Software is the best.

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I love it.

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@Jumanji: Actually I've heard more from fans along the lines of - the game's not hard at all, I beat this boss in one go without even trying, anyone who says it's difficult just sucks at games and shouldn't even bother.

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@drag: good point. There are many variants of e-peen aficionado and we should be wary of them all.
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ALL HAIL FROMSOFT, KINGS OF GAME DESIGN AND DARK FANTASY!!!

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I love hear stories of my friends playing the first. I have played past the knight guy but it seems to be a bit grindy and it kinda loses my interest.

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Haha, this is awesome! But if this is whats truly going on an easy way to stop the developers from punishing early copy getters is to play offline. At least for the time being.

Now what would truly be scary/awesome is if the devolpers could still eneter a players world even with the console having no internet connection...spooky.

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@gladspooky said:

@Captain_Rick said:

@gladspooky said:

@SirPsychoSexy said:

@gladspooky: I think any 2/3 to a retard could figure out they meant killing players in game.

Doesn't make it any less of a stupid title.

No your post was just not as cleaver as you thought it was.

Cleaver? I'm sorry, it's clear English isn't your first language. You see, 'player' is the person playing the game. 'Player character' is the player's representation within the game.

And no one needs to get confused about who is getting killed for this article's title to look ridiculous. It just does. This ain't no life-altering thing. Just something I felt like pointing out.

I would say that unless you're playing in a heavy roleplay environment then the terms "player" and "player character" can be (and typically are) used interchangeably when referring to the user's in-game representation. When I blow up another person's ship in EVE Online I'm more likely to say "I just killed that player" than "I killed that player character." Really the only time I've made it a point to differentiate between Player and Player Character is when I'm playing D&D, because you're often speaking for one or the other and not both at the same time. I imagine the same would be true on an RP server for an MMO, but I don't RP in MMOs.

Whether or not the title of the article is "ridiculous" is a matter of opinion, however, so if you think it sounds stupid, then you think it sounds stupid. I think it would take anyone a severe leap of logic to read the article's title and have their first assumption be that From Software is literally murdering its customers, however. Unless they're just in a murdery state of mind at the time.

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@RobertOrri said:

A tremendously funny way to handle players getting the game early.

Besides, doesn't Dark Souls have an offline mode like Demon's Souls? Players don't have to put up with the abuse...

YES they do. It's like the battered wife syndrom. The more the game shits on you the more you want it.

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If GB does an endurance run of this, I Internet Promise that I'll buy a full paid membership to watch. When I'm not playing DS myself, anyway. It'll be a kind of meta self deprecation.

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@david1890 said:

@Vinny: why dont you just shove the game up his face? you're in the same office.

I read that as "you're in the same orifice" and now I can't unsee it.

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They're lucky, it sounds like a fun event.  Now I want to hear a story of someone beating the dev invaders.
 
And really, don't be deterred by stories of it being some unconquerable thing.  Don't be afraid of losing at a video game.  You're going to die.  It's a part of the game.  It's normal.  It's okay.  It's basically Trials HD in RPG form.
 
I know what you mean about EVE, though.  I get it.

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Bahahahaha this story is hilarious.

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Can we add "Patrick don't play Dark Souls" up there with "Vinny don't buy a racing wheel"?

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I think I love From Software.

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That's pretty awesome.

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This is pretty grate if its the case.

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It's an awesome idea. What a fun job those devs have running around taking out early butt pirates.

Also, man up Patrick. Man up.

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That's pretty funny.

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Shouldn't they be punishing the retails who broke the street date? Are customers supposed to know a game they find on the shelf wasn't supposed to be sold yet? If I didn't know this was some form of punishment for playing too early, wouldn't I just think this game really really sucks... like E.T. on the Atari 2600 where you just fell into a pit level of sucking?

This sounded cool when I first heard about it, but now that I've thought it through. Stupid idea.

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Atleast the developers are getting to meet their users, and murder them.

Also when i read the headline i thought (for a second, that) the from strudios guys were straight up cutting fools, now that would be pretty messed up.

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@Joseph4th said:

Shouldn't they be punishing the retails who broke the street date? Are customers supposed to know a game they find on the shelf wasn't supposed to be sold yet? If I didn't know this was some form of punishment for playing too early, wouldn't I just think this game really really sucks... like E.T. on the Atari 2600 where you just fell into a pit level of sucking?

This sounded cool when I first heard about it, but now that I've thought it through. Stupid idea.

Even if these black phantoms really are developers running around killing people, I doubt their actions are meant to be seen as punishment for buying their game early. Sounds more like them having some harmless fun before Dark Souls is officially released.

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If from software was a woman I would marry her.

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@punpun said:

@Joseph4th said:

Shouldn't they be punishing the retails who broke the street date? Are customers supposed to know a game they find on the shelf wasn't supposed to be sold yet? If I didn't know this was some form of punishment for playing too early, wouldn't I just think this game really really sucks... like E.T. on the Atari 2600 where you just fell into a pit level of sucking?

This sounded cool when I first heard about it, but now that I've thought it through. Stupid idea.

Even if these black phantoms really are developers running around killing people, I doubt their actions are meant to be seen as punishment for buying their game early. Sounds more like them having some harmless fun before Dark Souls is officially released.

Harmless?? Hours of peoples life, down the drains. Think of all the souls lost!!!

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As a fan of Demon's Souls, this is perfect.

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Jesus Christ, people seriously have to stop with the "DEMON'S SOULS IS THE HARDEST GAME EVER!!!1" bullshit. It took me maybe 25-30 hours to finish it and I rarely felt frustrated at the difficulty.

The only times I ever died several times in a row was due to my own hastiness, trying to reach my body so I could keep the souls accrued up to that point (even though they were most likely worth 2-3 stat points at best).

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MR. PATRICK KLEPEK. Please play this game. You won't regret it.

(Well if it's at least as good as Demons's's Soul's you won't)

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All developers should do this for every game that has ever been stolen/pirated or sold early. That would be cool. Just remove the game-breaking enemies at the 11th hour before sending the gold disc to production. Anyone stealing source code get's screwed.

I think I'll actually try this one. Skipped out on Demon's Souls, but I'll probably try this one.

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Awesome.

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soon I will use most of my gaming time on this game.

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Maybe that is because people are live streaming it right now when it isn't even supposed to be released yet. Just saying.

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I played a ton of demon souls and I never understood why the gaming media constantly go on about how difficult the game is, I personally did not think it was that hard, If you played smartly you could easily go hours without dying and never once did I lose my souls as I was always able to get back to my blood stain.

I kept thinking the version that came out in the U.K was dumbed down but my friend had imported it before release and after playing the U.S version I found no difference, The game was unforgiving in terms of modern titles but since I am 29 and remember playing single levels in games for days upon days trying to get past one point maybe why I did not think it was as tough as everybody made out, In fact a lot of people I have spoken to that have actually played allot of the game say the same thing, It's mainly people who never got past the first couple of hour or have not played it at all that say its too hard.

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Brilliant and hilarious

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Anybody hesitating to play these games because they're too hard is seriously ripping themselves out of the most amazing gaming experience, at least that I've had... for about as long as I can remember.

MAN UP BITCHES!

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Dark Souls Endurance Run!! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻