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Is Throwing Guns Better Than Shooting Guns? Borderlands 2 Lets You Decide

After spending some time playing Borderlands 2, we noticed a few things that you might be interested in knowing about.

One part of Salvador's skill tree lets him regenerate health and reduce damage, making him more resilient and ready to get close.
One part of Salvador's skill tree lets him regenerate health and reduce damage, making him more resilient and ready to get close.

Sometimes you don't really need to know much about a game to know that you're going to play it. Take Borderlands 2, for example. After dumping somewhere between three and four days of time into playing one character in Borderlands and obsessively completing the game multiple times, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be interested in seeing more. Along those lines, Borderlands 2 would have to be a dramatic mess of a game to put me off at this point. And I'm going to just say it right here, now that I've played a little bit of it: Borderlands 2 doesn't appear to be a dramatic mess of a game.

It... actually seems pretty similar to the previous game. It's not a tower defense game now. Or a dating simulator. Actually, there might be some dating sim in there somewhere, I shouldn't make assumptions. We were given the opportunity to play a brief part of the game, which had me playing as Salvador, the "Gunzerker" class while Patrick used Maya, the game's new Siren. And there was no simulation of dating in any of the stuff we played. Oh man, I shouldn't even italicize that, you're just going to think that I'm attempting to insinuate that there's some sort of unannounced dating sim in Borderlands 2. There is no Borderlands 2 dating sim, as far as I know. I wouldn't even want to date any of the characters in the Borderlands universe, since most of them seem to be incredibly unstable. And I've never been one to date cartoon people, to be honest. Does that make me a racist? Crap, OK, maybe I should get back to the matter at hand.

So the characters usable in the Borderlands 2 demo appear to be too busy shooting things in the face to do any serious dating, and their apparent career-mindedness kept them focused on the quest at hand: shooting their way through a menagerie of new creatures and robots while trying to rescue Mordecai's pet, Bloodwing, who has apparently been captured by the game's heavy, Handsome Jack. But I wasn't really there to focus on the story, since it's a pretty brief demo. I was more interested in the shotgun that Salvador was equipped with for the demo, which seemed to fire larger projectiles that seemed like they homed in on targets a little bit. It also ripped just about everything apart, even at a decent distance, making it more fun than even the Tediore-brand weapons, which get tossed out into the field like grenades when you "reload" them. A new version of the same gun quickly appears in your hand after the toss, giving you an explosive reload option that's faster than most other weapons, though tossing guns before their magazine is empty felt like a waste of bullets. More bullets in a magazine makes the explosive effect of the thrown gun more powerful, but it didn't feel like a dramatic difference while I was playing.

The Siren has a new action skill that immobilizes enemies for a bit. Handy.
The Siren has a new action skill that immobilizes enemies for a bit. Handy.

The game will have more of just about everything, though, not just guns. Around eight different types of shields will appear, giving you new effects to play with. A "spiked" shield reciprocates damage to enemies that get close enough to melee attack you, and when that's equipped, your shield meter grows little spikes to give you a constant reminder of how you're currently equipped. There's also at least one new status effect, "slagged," which increases the damage an enemy takes when it activates while also lowering an enemy's resistance to other types of damage. When playing alone, this means you'll need to slag someone then swap to a different weapon to get the most out of it (unless you're dual-wielding with Salvador's action skill), so it's really handy in co-op games.

Relics and class mods will also return, with more types of relics in place that tweak a variety of numbers. The one I found was focused on melee damage, giving me a 5 percent bonus to my melee ability. Class mods sound like they'll behave in a similar fashion as they did in the first game, giving you bonuses to some of the powers that appear on the skill tree.

To deal with all those items (and, potentially, to have a shot at buying more esoteric gear), the developers have implemented a second form of currency. This was the part of the demo where I started hyperventilating a bit, as the past year of games getting all businessrd up made me worry that the next words I would hear would be that this new black market currency was available via microtransactions. But I heard no such thing. The currency used for this secondary market will be found in the game, but it'll be rare.

Didn't see him in the demo, but this Commando's turret looks kind of rad.
Didn't see him in the demo, but this Commando's turret looks kind of rad.

Lastly, the game's challenge system has been revamped, but to what end? Gearbox isn't talking about that right now. But it does have a new look with indicators that pop-up on-screen when you complete challenges. Also, when you finish something up, you earn "badass points." No idea what that gets you. It sounds like they have some additional customization options in the works, too, but again, no details at this time. Maybe you'll use badass points to buy cosmetic items for your guys to differentiate yourself in multiplayer games? No idea.

We were playing the PC version of Borderlands 2, but we were playing with Xbox 360 controllers, so it's hard to say if the menus are better with a mouse and keyboard this time around. But the menus seem fairly similar to the previous game, with the one exception being that it now appears "in-world" as if it's beaming off of a wrist computer or some other projector, sort of like Dead Space. When in a co-op game, other players will see that you're in your menus, though it didn't look like you could actually view the menus on another player's projection.

The original Borderlands wasn't without its own share of issues, and I'm hoping that things like enemy AI--especially for bosses--and overall variety are improved in Borderlands 2. To its credit, Gearbox has said that both of those things are on their list, but it was hard to really get a feel for that during such a brief demo. Is it bad that I'd happily play through another Borderlands game even if those things weren't fixed? I probably shouldn't say that out loud. IF THOSE ISSUES AREN'T FIXED I WILL FILE A CLAIM WITH THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU SO YOU BETTER MAKE IT BETTER THIS TIME OK? There, that's more like it. Either way, I'm looking forward to September over here.

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Catching Bloodwing is easy.

Just stand next to a solid object and grab him as he smashes his face against it repeatedly.

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Some of you guys need to loosen the fuck up.

Thanks for the write up Jeff. The sad part is that I loved borderlands enough to play the sequel no matter what (barring it isn't outright terrible.) I really love it, though, when developers make improvements on their sequels based on feedback from the original game. So get on it Gearbox!

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VIDEO GAMES ARE FUCKEN' SERIOUS BUSINESS STFU EVERYONE!

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So what I am getting from what Jeff said is that Borderlands 2 does have a dating Sim which he did not take part in because Patrick is to ... pretty?

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@sirdesmond said:

Hey guys! Instead of having a good conversation about the game, let's just go on and on about one sentence at the end and discuss/argue about whether or not we thought it was funny or appropriate. That would be so fun.

Ironic.
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Chill the fuck out, people.

My body is ready for you, Bordelands 2.

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@LiquidS said:

VIDEO GAMES ARE FUCKEN' SERIOUS BUSINESS STFU EVERYONE!

I agree.
Lot's of money, jobs, emotions and other serious shit tied up in this relatively new and evolving form of entertainment.
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Well excited for this game... i was never into the first but having watched the trailer for this and now reading this i need to rethink my life and play the first game quick so i am ready for this.

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Also just looked at the expanded screenshots.
Gotta say the game looks way crisper now.
This is from the PC version i'm assuming?

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Jeffrey T. Gerstmann - rarely as spirited as when talking Gearbox Games.

All those special memories of sinful Las Vegas Nights going all Randy on the town, mixing with genuine fondness for shooting dudes with a million randily generated virtual guns. Hell - doing booze blow and hookers with Gunzillionaire Pitchfork would make me drizzle genuine spittle too.

Looking forward to hearing more about it. Likely going to jump-in Borderlands 2 too - and since I passed on part 1, it will be an all original gaming experience too!

Booze Blow Hookers and Borderlands 2! HERE I COME!

Gerstmann Going Randy for Pitchfork!
Gerstmann Going Randy for Pitchfork!
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@BraveToaster said:

Chill the fuck out, people.

My body is ready for you, Bordelands 2.

That's never gonna happen. It's the internet. The next complaint gonna be like: "The font size in this article is too small. This is garbage!"

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@AuthenticM said:

@Jeff: You need to ask Gearbox if they have finally implemented some sort of sharing system, Diablo 2-style. Remember how bummed out you were about such an omission when the first game came out? They need to fix that.

they have

http://www.nowgamer.com/features/1235867/borderlands_2_characters_guns_plot_interview.html

about halfway point

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@Crispy: Yup, humorless hits the nail on the head.

How about if you're looking for a completely fact-based preview impression, with little to no injection of personality, you go to the MAJORITY OF OTHER GAME SITES ON THE INTERNET.

I can't speak for everyone who reads GB, but I feel pretty safe in guessing that most people come here for the guys' personalities, and Jeff in particular. I'm not saying you have to enjoy his jokes (I thought it was all right), but don't get your knickers in a knot.

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Can't we send Gearbox cupcakes if we don't like the ending?

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@algertman said:

That article was so horrible I thought Alex wrote it.

Alex's gags actually work; this just reads as if he wrote this late at night in his bed using some ancient mic-to-text program.
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@Crispy said:

I found this article disappointing.

I don't mind putting personality into written work, but not when it distracts from the actual content of the writing. When I say this, I'm actually not referring to the last paragraph of the story, but rather the (entire) paragraph with the dating simulation gag. An online audience is starved for time as it is; elongating a written article doesn't help portray information.

I know I'm coming off as humorless, but I feel it's particularly important to properly convey a message when writing a preview for a highly-anticipated title.

To be honest, I almost never write critiques of regular content such as preview work, but it was very distracting in this particular article.

If you're starved for time, what're you doing on here anyway? Research for your thesis paper?

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Gunzerker?

Man... MAN.

How many times can I reiterate my excitement for this fucking game?!

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Well now Gearbox needs to take a cue and implement a dating sim. Maybe you build affinity points with your co-op partners as you play with them and that unlocks something?

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@MikkaQ said:

Gunzerker?

Man... MAN.

How many times can I reiterate my excitement for this fucking game?!

He is also a dwarf.
Which makes him like ... x10 times more badass!
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@CakeTeleporter said:

Is there going to be more weapon variance this time around because it always feat like borderlands had about 10 significantly different guns that were fixed drops and everything else was just variations on a few types.

And those more unique guns were almost always worse than what you found either 10 minutes before or after.

way more check these links

http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=135367

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Hoping there's more to BL2 than this. While I enjoyed the crap out of the first, I'm not really in for more of the same. But jump-in/jump-out splitscreen and resetting your quest status are the most exciting newseses I've heard thus far...

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@AuthenticM said:

@Jeff: You need to ask Gearbox if they have finally implemented some sort of sharing system, Diablo 2-style. Remember how bummed out you were about such an omission when the first game came out? They need to fix that.

This was my big question? Without it I wont even consider playing with randoms.

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Played it today at PAX and although my partner and I did kinda poorly (he decided to just charge forward and not shoot anything), it was really great.

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@Napalm said:

@Jeff said:

@Napalm: Oh, are you so myopic that you think that this is some kind of Mass Effect 3 gag? You do realize that it's an ongoing issue now that someone's dragged Capcom into a similar situation over SFXT, right?

I was just hoping for a more original joke, Jeff!

:[

Yeah. I wanted a better ending as well.

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Borderlands is one of the best co-op experiences I've ever had. Day one, baby!

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More Borderlands is always a good thing. As long as there is more Claptrap shenanigans, this game will be excellent. Also, throwing guns is NEVER better than shooting guns.

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Honestly it won't take much to sell me on the sequel, the first game had very little wrong with it other than the glaring difficulty issues. Just promise Borderlands 2 will be more of a challenge and I'll be happy.

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@Damian said:

@Napalm said:

@Jeff said:

@Napalm: Oh, are you so myopic that you think that this is some kind of Mass Effect 3 gag? You do realize that it's an ongoing issue now that someone's dragged Capcom into a similar situation over SFXT, right?

I was just hoping for a more original joke, Jeff!

:[

Yeah. I wanted a better ending as well.

Start a petition to get a better ending to this article.

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Borderlands 2: Japanese High School confirmed as the first expansion.

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It's to bad Borderlands 2 won't be ready in time for PAX Prime Bring your own computer (BYOC). Would be fun to play.

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@Napalm said:

Ooh.

IF THOSE ISSUES AREN'T FIXED I WILL FILE A CLAIM WITH THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU SO YOU BETTER MAKE IT BETTER THIS TIME OK?

Because that's still funny, right, guys?

Seriously? Chill the hell out and don't get so pissy over a single sentence in the entire article. And yes it is funny because the people who filed complains with the BBB for the ending and for SFxT are sad individuals who need to rethink their priorities.

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This write up was great.

Alex and Patrick articles are great and I wouldn't want to see them dwindle in any way but sometimes it's nice to see Jeff do an old fashioned write up.

Also BORDERLANDS 2!

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@MariachiMacabre said:

Seriously? Chill the hell out and don't get so pissy over a single sentence in the entire article.

Sounds like you're the only one who's freaking out.

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I can't seem to muster any interest in Borderlands 2. Too much else at the end of the year that looks much better IMO.

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Can not wait.
 
I think I'll be playing siren again.

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It looks like they've taken the limiter off their crazy again. Well done, borderlands. Well done.

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Jeff's giddiness was practically spilling out of this write-up. FEEL THE EXCITEMENT!

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I'd date Mad Moxxi if given the chance. Can't wait for Borderlands 2: The Dating Sim.

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Am I the only one who thought jeff seemed sleep deprived while writing this, it goes off on even more tangents then his articles normally do

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this is the only game i'm gleefully looking forward too this year.

pretty much everything else that looks good has a publisher or developer that i'm confident will fuck everything up.

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I wasn't a huge fan of Borderlands. Something about it just felt... tedious-- like I wasn't getting to use my class abilities often enough to make it feel like anything more than a bone dry shooter with garbage AI and too many awful driving sequences.

This dating sim has me interested, though. Can't wait!

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I'm not much fussed over guns one way or the other. 

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Sounds like the people whining about Jeff's joke are the same sort of penises that started online petitions or went to the bbb because of a games ending or because the did not get the characters they wanted. Get over it.

Jeff, Alex, Patrick, all of the guys write awesome and entertaining articles. If you don't like it then don't read it. Easy.

Also fucking lol @ peeps online being starved for time.


Anyways, I don't need to be sold on this game. First one was amazing and September cannot come fast enough.

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Let's talk more about the quality of jokes in the article instead of Borderlands 2!

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Jeff appears to be foaming at the mouth for this game. I'm pretty excited too, seeings I played about as much as Jeff of the original.

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Color me interested. Nice write-up,

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The game needs a special appearance of Grayson Hunt with his wrist leash :-)

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I want to like this game, but I'm still too bitter about the steaming POS the first game was on PC, and how it was impossible to play online for months after release. Time will tell if all the sweet talk they have been shoving out about how this time it won't suck is just more BS to try and trick people into buying it like the first one, or if they will actually back it up.

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Yeah I'll be skipping this. Hated the first Borderlands and if they aren't fixing my issues with it than I'll be passing it. I'm tired of stupid MMO missions that have no pay off and a game that doesn't have a story at all. This game isn't for me I guess.

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Get hyped, mother fuckers! I'm ready. My body is ready. Lets do this~