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Microsoft, EA Claim FIFA Isn't Causing Rash of Xbox Live Hacks

Hundreds of people are noticing FIFA showing up on their compromised accounts. What gives? Here's what we've found.

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Xbox Live is an extremely popular service, featuring a bunch of users with credit cards oh-so-conveniently attached to their accounts, so it’s an obvious target for scammers. Getting emails from users who’ve been had their accounts compromised is nothing new; it happens every single day. Tide goes in, tide goes out.

There was something different about the stream of emails from the past week, with a bunch of users mentioning FIFA. The first confusing tip-off these users had was finding FIFA 11 in their game library, despite never having played it.

“12th october 2011, i get a phone call while i am at work off my brother,” wrote one user. “he asks me what on earth am i doing at home and why the hell am i playing Fifa 12 ( he knows i hate football) i explain i am at work and i would not play fifa 12 even if i was being forced by a knife point held at my groin with the imminent threat of genital removal.”

Xbox Live's interface has changed over the years, as has Microsoft's security responses.
Xbox Live's interface has changed over the years, as has Microsoft's security responses.

“I had my account hacked back at the beginning of August,” said another. “First time that had happened on any system. I had my account suspended the day it happened but it took over a month to get my account restored. The crazy part was they didn't buy anything with my points. When I got my account back the only activity was they played some FIFA '12.”

Similar stories can be found inside my inbox from dozens of different readers. Something was up. A few noticed achievements for FIFA 11 or FIFA 12 had been unlocked, others found hundreds of dollars missing from their bank accounts thanks to a series of point purchases, and many noticed the people accessing their account were interested in purchasing tons and tons of cards for FIFA Ultimate Team.

The common thread, however, was FIFA. But why? How? FIFA? A Google search brings up exponentially more stories of digital soccer woes from users of Xbox Live. To Microsoft’s credit, many appear quickly resolved.

“With the popularity of FIFA globally, and the sheer number of players playing the game online, FIFA is an obvious target for phishers and frauds,” said an Electronic Arts representative to me. “This is why we try to educate FIFA players to take measures to keep their accounts safe.”

EA outlines steps to protect your account in a message board post, which is comprehensive and worth reading, but its sheer existence suggests account exploitation has been an issue EA has been forced to pay attention to.

“We haven’t seen a spike or increase in reports of FIFA 12 players having their accounts hacked,” said the rep. “With the launch of FIFA 12 it likely has just shifted renewed focus onto this particular game.”

A good portion of users with compromised accounts found evidence of card packs purchased for FIFA Ultimate Team.
A good portion of users with compromised accounts found evidence of card packs purchased for FIFA Ultimate Team.

Microsoft, however, seemed to acknowledge there had been a spike in activity lately.

“We do not have any evidence the Xbox Live service has been compromised,” said a representative. “We take the security of our service seriously and work on an ongoing basis to improve it against evolving threats. However, a limited number of members have contacted us regarding unauthorized access to their accounts by outside individuals. We are working with our impacted members directly to resolve any unauthorized changes to their accounts.”

The company did outright reject any running theories--of which I’ve heard many at this point--running around the Internet about a major security glitch exploitable in the FIFA games.

“It’s not a title-specific issue and is coincidental that FIFA has been tied to a number of compromised accounts,” said the rep.

Recon armor was something that had to be bestowed upon you, making those with it a target.
Recon armor was something that had to be bestowed upon you, making those with it a target.

The largest issue facing Xbox Live and similar services is social engineering, in which outsiders attempt to trick customer service systems into unlocking accounts. I filed a story with MTV News back in 2008 about Xbox Live’s problems with social engineering, where even Bungie Studios employees were not safe. At the time, users were being targeted because their accounts had gained access to Halo 3’s elusive multiplayer “Recon” armor, which could not be unlocked in the game. It was special.

Think about how much information about you is on the Internet. Can you imagine it being terribly difficult for someone to fill in the blanks? How many different security codes are linked to your mother’s maiden name, which is probably featured on her not-properly-secured Facebook page?

Then, remember the PlayStation Network information implosion. And the Gawker Media incident. The list goes on.

"People don't hack accounts by using programs and any other bullsh-- that you hear around [Xbox Live]," said a user who publicly admitted to compromising Microsoft’s systems back in 2008. "It's as simple as picking up the phone."

It's more complicated than that, of course, but the underlying point remains the same.

Microsoft has made reforms to its system, but no system is perfect, and social engineering remains a threat. As we become more comfortable with more information available, there will be more ammunition for those hoping to take advantage of us.

Halo 3 spurred these issues three years ago, today it’s FIFA 12. Different day, different game, same issues.

In the meantime, maybe change your password and alter your mom's Facebook privacy settings.

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@Darkstar_KoP: I didn't see any coincidences.

As for the OT. You're 100% right... I even think "you got phished" or something when my friends ( yes S plural ) accounts got hacked, but there is no god damn way that someone "stole" my password from my computer unless, and this is a HUGE unless, some site out there is collecting passwords and emails, and for some reason I used the same password on both that site and XBL. However I have 3 different levels of email.

1 - Completely Random, generated by Last Pass and saved there. Used for any site that I will access ONLY from my computer

2 - easy, shitty number and letter password like p4ssw0rd that I can remember when I need to use some site outside of the computer, and i need to remember it

3 - super secret password that I use on a handful of sites ( bank, apple, XBL ) where I often need to type the password in, and I need to remember it because I wont be on my computer for it. This password is changed often.

Now I suppose it's possible I was an idiot, and used #2 for xbox instead of #1 however, I didn't get to check before I changed it as I was being hacked at that very time, and once I changed it, I lose the old one. But I use my passport for a few different things, and I'm pretty confident that the password was password #3.

TLDR Version: It's not worth hacking my account because it takes too fucking long and there are easier accounts to hack. I'm anal about passwords and an IT professional, so I know how to make sure I'm not logging in to some Phishing site, and unless MS stores passwords un-hashed, which the rep on the phone told me wasn't the case, my password would have been changed if someone got it via social engineering. That and the call logs would have showed the XBox employee that "I" called in 15 minutes ago trying to reset my password.

All that said, they refused to refund me the money unless I let them do an investigation on my account and lose my account for "25 days" which a friend of mine has had done to him for over 8 weeks now. I said no, then they said they'd do it, took my info and never called me back for over 2 weeks. I called my bank and got the money back in 15 minutes.

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@DougQuaid said:

People that play Fifa are terrible people confirmed?

Really though, there are people that think credit card theft is worth it to get some stupid fucking virtual cards for a fucking soccer game?

What makes this all even worse is that Microsoft has made it a huge pain in the ass to protect yourself against this kind of stuff. You cannot remove any credit or debit cards tied to your account because of their auto-renew bullshit. You have to call them to convince them to remove it.

yes, and this is complete BS.  I am de-activating my gold account and removing my credit card from the account.  If I ever want something I'll just buy a points card with cash.
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Also... the size and complexity of the FIFA Ultimate Team auction stuff is probably why people buy cards with your account, because they can trade them to their own account, then another, then another and before it's just taken away from someone, it's sold to them through eBay or whatever and it's not worth the trouble of hunting them down.

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As someone who has intimate knowledge of EA, I can tell you this problem is purely Microsoft-based.

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@sofacitysweetheart said:

So you don't even have to own an EA game to be screwed over by that company? Fantastic.

Glad to see you read the article, idiot.

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Based on the anecdotes of other victims, I'm not convinced this is a complete explanation.

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Welp, changed my password for Xbox Live. I'm not sure if that'll do anything, but I don't feel like removing my CC from my account.

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@Jeffsekai said:

@sofacitysweetheart said:

So you don't even have to own an EA game to be screwed over by that company? Fantastic.

Glad to see you read the article, idiot.

NO UR AN IDIOT I AM BIG INTERNET PERSON WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THINGZ BUT CAN INSULT LIKE A 6 Y/O WOOOOOOOOOO

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I think my steam account just got hacked, because I suddenly have Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War 2 on my library.

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You know what else is alarming... the number of people who say they filed a complaint, their accounts went to a 25 day investigation period, and 25 days turns into 50 or 75 because of missed information or whatever. Just how incompetent are the people doing these investigations? Or rather, how crappy is the system handling them? I can understand one or two getting information missed, but it's like everyone who went into investigation had to wait forever.

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@sw0rdfish said:

You know what else is alarming... the number of people who say they filed a complaint, their accounts went to a 25 day investigation period, and 25 days turns into 50 or 75 because of missed information or whatever. Just how incompetent are the people doing these investigations? Or rather, how crappy is the system handling them? I can understand one or two getting information missed, but it's like everyone who went into investigation had to wait forever.

Could be an indication that the backlog of issues is larger than Microsoft is willing to admit. That sort of thing has happened before.

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@sw0rdfish
It has been 2 weeks for me, how long has it been for you? Also the last games we played were gears of war 3 and Fifa 12 that was the coincidence lol
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@daggon55 said:

Can anyone speak to how popular FIFA is internationally, is it on the level of Madden in the US?

Over here, FIFA is barely a blip on the radar. Of course there is some interest by those who are not enamored of the American version of Football. But mostly, "Soccer" isn't as important to us by any stretch of the imagination.

I never really understood why if I'm honest. Knowing what I know about European Football, it seems pretty interesting. Though I confess that while I admire the endurance and werewithall it takes professional Footballers over there to compete, I have never gone out of my way to get interested in it either. But I'm a bad example because I'm not much into any sports.

Either way, your point is somewhat valid. Most American players would have a FIFA run on their account stand out. But for me, any sports title would stand out. If someone hacked my account to play Dead Rising or Halo, I'd likely never notice. But hack in and play a Madden game and I'll be on the phone to MS within seconds.

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@Darkstar_KoP said:

@sw0rdfish: It has been 2 weeks for me, how long has it been for you? Also the last games we played were gears of war 3 and Fifa 12 that was the coincidence lol

OH HAHA. I actually played those :P I didn't let them investigate my account. I wanted to play so I just told them to Sod off. I just found it funny that their customer is telling them they have a major security problem, and that they were going to NOT look into it because I didn't want to surrender my account for 30 days plus.

My friend has been without his account for 50 days now.

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@Darkstar_KoP: Oh Goddamit!

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This happened to me as well. I got disconnected while playing Battlefield 3 beta two different times one night and had to recover my gamertag to get back on xbox live, but didn't really think anything of it at the time since everything about the beta was so messed up. The next day while I was at work the account was taken over a third time and whoever it was stole the 2000 or so MS points I had on the account and spent them all on FIFA card packs (Premium Gold Pack and Silver Pack in my download history). They did not charge my credit card for any more points or change the account's password, so when I noticed the 15 points of FIFA achievements the next day (the Ultimate team achievements), and freaked out, I was able to quickly rerecover the account and change the password.

It is disconcerting to see how many people have had pretty much the same thing happen to their accounts. When I contacted Microsoft I got the sense that mine was pretty much an isolated incident.

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@sw0rdfish said:

@Darkstar_KoP said:

@sw0rdfish: It has been 2 weeks for me, how long has it been for you? Also the last games we played were gears of war 3 and Fifa 12 that was the coincidence lol

OH HAHA. I actually played those :P I didn't let them investigate my account. I wanted to play so I just told them to Sod off. I just found it funny that their customer is telling them they have a major security problem, and that they were going to NOT look into it because I didn't want to surrender my account for 30 days plus.

My friend has been without his account for 50 days now.


oh wow so you played Fifa 12...... that just made my day. Thank you
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@Darkstar_KoP said:

@sw0rdfish said:

@Darkstar_KoP said:

@sw0rdfish: It has been 2 weeks for me, how long has it been for you? Also the last games we played were gears of war 3 and Fifa 12 that was the coincidence lol

OH HAHA. I actually played those :P I didn't let them investigate my account. I wanted to play so I just told them to Sod off. I just found it funny that their customer is telling them they have a major security problem, and that they were going to NOT look into it because I didn't want to surrender my account for 30 days plus.

My friend has been without his account for 50 days now.

oh wow so you played Fifa 12...... that just made my day. Thank you

I wouldn't call it play as much as I just get my ass handed to me, but yes I'm a soccer fan. Sorry to disappoint 98% of this board.

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@daggon55 said:

@sw0rdfish said:

You know what else is alarming... the number of people who say they filed a complaint, their accounts went to a 25 day investigation period, and 25 days turns into 50 or 75 because of missed information or whatever. Just how incompetent are the people doing these investigations? Or rather, how crappy is the system handling them? I can understand one or two getting information missed, but it's like everyone who went into investigation had to wait forever.

Could be an indication that the backlog of issues is larger than Microsoft is willing to admit. That sort of thing has happened before.

You could very well be right. Blaming it on co-workers being fucking morons is pretty harsh though.

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@daggon55: Yes, it is really popular. I don't know the numbers, but its the more profitable franchises of EA Sports, especially in international markets, were Madden doesn't even register...

The main issue with FIFA by itself is that: 1) Its not very popular in the US, so most people there would be alerted by achievements on a game they don't have (I have little doubt hackers are not Americans), and 2) The game has an auction mode that let people buy and sell players using real money, which they can sell back to their accounts (or give as a gift). This is not even DLC, more like microtransactions, which means there is almost no limit to the amount they can spend. That makes it extra tempting to target accounts of people with registered credit card information.

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This exact thing happened to me. I'm not sure how they got access to my account, but my account was linked to my debit card. . . bad idea. They charged up a ton of Microsoft Space Bucks and spent them on some crap for FIFA 11. It took me over a month to get my account back. And when I did, I had quite a hard time getting access to my Windows Live ID, so that I could actually use my account. I pointed out to a couple of Microsoft employees that the thief apparently somehow used FIFA to launder the Space Bucks, but everyone whom I spoke with had never heard of that before.

Thank you very much, Patrick, for writing this piece. Also, to everyone out there, try to use points cards, if you can, and get your credit card off of your account, so that your account is useless to the thieves.

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See, this is a great article with great reporting.

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fifa 12 happened all over my hacked account. only they also spent like 150 dollars in points too :-\

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@ZZoMBiE13:

Soccer as you call it is the most popular sport in the world . The biggest and the main sports activity in almost every country except for US and Canada I guess .Probably because you're aliens .

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@sw0rdfish said:

You know what else is alarming... the number of people who say they filed a complaint, their accounts went to a 25 day investigation period, and 25 days turns into 50 or 75 because of missed information or whatever. Just how incompetent are the people doing these investigations? Or rather, how crappy is the system handling them? I can understand one or two getting information missed, but it's like everyone who went into investigation had to wait forever.

I am at day 43 of waiting. Every time I call customer service I have to explain the whole story over again. They are always nice and sympathetic, but as near as I can, the fraud department is based on the moon without phones or internet access. Customer service can't (or won't) call them and get a status update on my investigation. They can just see it's still in a queue. If they would at least say "we have a huge backlog, it's taking a lot longer to resolve claims", that would be something. They all just say "man, this ticket is way past due, sorry dude".

It's to the point now where I am considering going scorched earth and just having my my credit card company charge back all the purchases including my Live membership and then Microsoft's lawyers can fight Bank of America's lawyers.

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Finally some news on this. Happened to me at the start of the month. Never will I ever put my credit card online again. I had actually tried to remove my card a week prior but could not to any avail and the wait on the phone was well over 2 hours. This needs to be fixed now.

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My mom doesn't have a Facebook account! I win!

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Yea. Had my account stolen for a few minutes ... purchased 100 bucks in points ... called ms. They said my security question was wrong so I did my work... regained control myself and told them I got it wrong because its in chinese ... they then researched the wrong account the whole time...

Good old m.s. ...

Lesson learned... do things yourself and have a good password ;)

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@Hairydutchman said:

"i would not play fifa 12 even if i was being forced by a knife point held at my groin with the imminent threat of genital removal"

This guy deserves it

i agree, what a twat

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I had the same thing just happen to me and I don't even use my Xbox anymore (haven't in a long time). 300+ bucks of gamer tags. Had to spend an hour on the phone with Microsoft that now has locked my account, had to call my bank to file a fraud complaint, cancel card, etc. They also attached another email account to my Windows Live account. My password is next to impossible to remember, let alone hack. I don't think this was a password guessing thing. Something else smells extremely funny about all this. Microsoft knows the consoleId's of the people doing this. Why aren't they doing more about this problem. With the consoleId and the IP Address of the person, they should have no problems tracking down these people or person.

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Crazy....My account was hacked just last week. FIFA was on the list....I dont use facebook, I dont list my gamertag. Charged 4000 and 6000 points to my account.

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This'll probably be the only time I see my beloved Wojciech Szczesny on the front door of my beloved Giant Bomb.

Great article, Patrick.

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The problem is that all these sites rely on a username/password combo, just like every other web site. Users then do the obvious thing -- use the same username/password for every site they visit. As time goes on it gets easier and easier to give out.

We need to start tying security to something like your cell phone. Make it a 3072-bit key, something that should last 20 years, and build NFC into devices (computers / consoles). Then you'd need to have the device in the same room as the machine you are trying to log into before using your username/password.

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There is way more going on here than Microsoft wants to admit....

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My account was hacked too, a couple of weeks ago. They bought 10,000 points. Luckily I got the emails on my phone so I could call Microsoft right away.

I wonder if they were going to buy Fifa crap. This is alarming.

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@Kixxi said:

My account was hacked too, a couple of weeks ago. They bought 10,000 points. Luckily I got the emails on my phone so I could call Microsoft right away.

I wonder if they were going to buy Fifa crap. This is alarming.

I woke up to find the same emails on my phone, Microsoft is on speed-dial for me unfortunately. $133 in points I'm on 2 weeks without my account I call at least twice a week just to make sure all the info is right and the situation is being handled.

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I had my xbox compromised randomly not too long ago. I got a bunch of messages on my phone saying my card was charged for $120 (total) worth of microsoft points. I was able to stop it and call microsoft before any major damage or FIFA playing, but perhaps the ps3 isn't the only console with security problems?

Also I doubt the leak came from my end since I didn't touch anything xbox live related on my computer in a looooong time. And I'm pretty computer paranoid (NoScript and such).

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@John1912: They did those exact charges to my account too.

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I feel like investigative journalism in video games has to try way too hard to find a story sometimes. Also, why the hell are people e-mailing Patrick when their account may be hacked?!

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@DFSVegas said:

The Nigerian Prince gives FIFA 12 5 stars. In stores now.

Is that 12.5 or 125 stars!?! If the Nigerian Prince is giving it 125 stars, I may have to look into it. That prince is a quality guy. You know, he wants to give me all his money. Don't be jealous guys.

XD

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This happened to me as well, starting about four months ago. Someone recovered my gamertag and used about 1500 points to buy FIFA 11 bullshit. Then, about a month later I noticed about 6000 points missing that I had just loaded onto my account the day before. The first time I wasn't sure if I was missing points or I had mistaken how many I had. The second time I knew something was up and called MS. They told me that someone had hacked my profile and purchased a ton of FIFA 11 shit through the in-game store, which is why it didn't show up in my Live transactions. However the game showed up in my recently played games.

Long story short, they refunded the bigger chunk of points but completely bungled the investigation and somehow glossed over the over 1500 points. I've been dealing with those clowns for the past two months to get the issue resolved.

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@Kixxi: Yea they were nice enough not to change my email address so I found out within two days of the purchase. I almost ignored it. Thought it may have been for the automatic subscription renewal. Some kinda bonus or something, but when I saw the 2nd email confirmation for another 6000 I called right away. Not being able to log in to check for those points kinda tipped me off as well...

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@jimmdogg: The first thing Microsoft told me to do was contact my bank and have the charges reversed. He said the bank would refund me then file a complaint with Microsoft to get the money back.

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Does anyone know how EA Accounts work with a password recovery if you contact support?

If you contact MS support they reset your password, and many people have been saying that thier passwords hadn't been reset. For a while my XBL and EA accounts shared the same log-in and password until I lost my email address and Ebay accounts nefariously. Maybe this is how they're getting accounts, or maybe they have log-ins from other sites/services and have had success on XBL.

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I've had many emails from EA with reguards to people trying to gain my password and requesting a password change.

I wonder if this is how something is going down?

I worry about it, I don;t want EA to have ANYTHING to do with my xbox account, or indeed my life. They are trying to take my details and to be frank no one needs there bloody servers and no one needs their services.

Why cant they just stop trying to control things and let xbox live deal with stuff.

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One Xbox support guy said Jtagged eastern-european boxes.. But what is the cause behind this stuff? Happened to tons of people since July.
 
Meanwhile, the PSN hacks simply kept people from playing games for a while~
 
 
If you don't want to wait three four weeks to get your account fixed, should you get hacked, you should raise some hell and mention the better business bureau or simply file a complain with the bbb directly, a manager will come fix your case in days.

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Oh you crazy European people...

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The real story is Patrick worked with MTV, what?!?!?!

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FIFA 12 is America's single largest cause of cancer.

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FIFA 12 is the best sports game out, I borrow FIFA 10 in 09 and the game actually got me into the sport. I started watching epl and got right behind the world cup. I think its the free flowing aspect of the game that American sports don't have closest being hockey