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Microsoft Laying Off 18,000 Employees

Xbox Entertainment Studios, meant to drive original content to Xbox Live, is already dead.

"The first step to building the right organization for our ambitions is to realign our workforce."

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No good news can follow a statement like that. Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella announced plans today for the company to lay off up to 18,000 employees.

Most of those layoffs are coming from the recently acquired Nokia, which Microsoft picked up for $7.2 billion just earlier this year. The Nokia division will account for roughly 12,500 of the planned layoffs.

The first 13,000 layoffs will be determined in the next six months. That seems like an unusually cruel amount of time to wonder if your job is going to be around the next day, but so it goes at big companies.

The Xbox division will not be unaffected, either. Deadline reports Xbox Entertainment Studios, tasked with developing original content for Xbox Live, has been shut down before it even really got off the ground. The Halo-related projects, Halo: Nightfall and a planned TV series, are expected to continue.

"Change is never easy, but I believe the changes announced today help us better align with our long-term goals," said head of Xbox Phil Spencer in a memo to employees. "We have an incredible opportunity ahead of us to define what the next generation of gaming looks like for the growing Xbox community. I have a great deal of confidence in this team and know that with clarity of focus on our mission and our customers we can accomplish great things together. We already have."

The first production from the studio, the soccer-themed Every Street United, launched last month.

You can read the entirety of Nadella's announcement below:

From: Satya Nadella

To: All Employees

Date: July 17, 2014 at 5:00 a.m. PT

Subject: Starting to Evolve Our Organization and Culture

Last week in my email to you I synthesized our strategic direction as a productivity and platform company. Having a clear focus is the start of the journey, not the end. The more difficult steps are creating the organization and culture to bring our ambitions to life. Today I’ll share more on how we’re moving forward. On July 22, during our public earnings call, I’ll share further specifics on where we are focusing our innovation investments.

The first step to building the right organization for our ambitions is to realign our workforce. With this in mind, we will begin to reduce the size of our overall workforce by up to 18,000 jobs in the next year. Of that total, our work toward synergies and strategic alignment on Nokia Devices and Services is expected to account for about 12,500 jobs, comprising both professional and factory workers. We are moving now to start reducing the first 13,000 positions, and the vast majority of employees whose jobs will be eliminated will be notified over the next six months. It’s important to note that while we are eliminating roles in some areas, we are adding roles in certain other strategic areas. My promise to you is that we will go through this process in the most thoughtful and transparent way possible. We will offer severance to all employees impacted by these changes, as well as job transition help in many locations, and everyone can expect to be treated with the respect they deserve for their contributions to this company.

Later today your Senior Leadership Team member will share more on what to expect in your organization. Our workforce reductions are mainly driven by two outcomes: work simplification as well as Nokia Devices and Services integration synergies and strategic alignment.

First, we will simplify the way we work to drive greater accountability, become more agile and move faster. As part of modernizing our engineering processes the expectations we have from each of our disciplines will change. In addition, we plan to have fewer layers of management, both top down and sideways, to accelerate the flow of information and decision making. This includes flattening organizations and increasing the span of control of people managers. In addition, our business processes and support models will be more lean and efficient with greater trust between teams. The overall result of these changes will be more productive, impactful teams across Microsoft. These changes will affect both the Microsoft workforce and our vendor staff. Each organization is starting at different points and moving at different paces.

Second, we are working to integrate the Nokia Devices and Services teams into Microsoft. We will realize the synergies to which we committed when we announced the acquisition last September. The first-party phone portfolio will align to Microsoft’s strategic direction. To win in the higher price tiers, we will focus on breakthrough innovation that expresses and enlivens Microsoft’s digital work and digital life experiences. In addition, we plan to shift select Nokia X product designs to become Lumia products running Windows. This builds on our success in the affordable smartphone space and aligns with our focus on Windows Universal Apps.

Making these decisions to change are difficult, but necessary. I want to invite you to my monthly Q&A event tomorrow. I hope you can join, and I hope you will ask any question that’s on your mind. Thank you for your support as we start to take steps forward in evolving our organization and culture.

Satya

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@r3dt1d3 said:

@spraynardtatum: So MS should keep 18k people employed that they don't need because compassion? They purchased a company and they can't support the large number of employees that brought in. Should every employee/stockholder before the buyout be punished so that MS can be compassionate?

You're speaking nonsense.

...sigh...

Maybe they shouldn't have bought something they can't support!

And if there was sufficient demand for the product of those 18,000 peoples labor, they would create businesses that supply that demand and thus make money. If the results of their work was profitable enough to keep them in business; they would not have been sold, and they would not have been closed.

Do you honestly think that if they had never been bought, they would not be in the same position they are now? The job market is based on consumer demand. Do you honestly think there was more than enough consumer demand to keep Nokia in business? What evidence do you have?

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Yes, they are horrible monsters. Microsoft is making plenty of profit. There is a difference between understanding how things work, and accepting them. Actions like these are completely unethical and only the most disgusting kind of human thinks this is ok 'because profit'. What management "people" usually forget that if no one has a job anymore, there won't be anyone to buy their goods. Because in the end, it's only the consumers that makes sure that companies get an income. In the long term everyone loses if regular people can't afford to buy goods anymore. But because MBA's are utter morons with only a short term vision, they won't see how they are dooming the western civilizations. Either that or they just don't care because they think they will be safe in their mansions when the rest of the country lives in poverty.

In my opinion companies do have an obligation to provide jobs as long as they can remain profitable, because why the fuck should we tolerate their nonsense otherwise?

Companies are not job providers. I can't believe anyone bought into Donald Trump's "I'm a job creator!" nonsense. Demand creates jobs. When demand declines or is not what it was expected to be, jobs stop being relevant. But you think the rich 'provide jobs' for some reason.

Being forced to accept crushing debt just in order to compete in a market is hurting the employed. Ignorant discriminatory hiring practices hurts the employed. Companies removing positions when they become irrelevant is not hurting the employed. Nobody has any obligation to continue paying anyone for something that doesn't make sense.

If you'd like a world that is not dominated by people exchanging their talent and labour for a stipend as long as profit flows to investors, you're going to have to find a new system that does not feature private property. In our system, you don't get paid because you exist, you get paid because you perform a service.

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@cthomer5000: I think he isn't taking in to account the fact that a lot of those people will probably be informed well before the 6 month mark that their position is being cut. From the perspective of not knowing if your job is at risk or not, and not being able to find out for 6 months, I get that sentiment.

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This is terrible for all of those losing their jobs, however, it's also about time Microsoft fixed their business. Microsoft's vision under Ballmer was pretty terrible and they fell behind in all aspects of their business. Nadella seems like he has a better idea of where to take the company.

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@leebmx said:

Christ, the first sentence of that email. They should definitely fire who ever wrote that. Who the fuck 'synthesises' things to other people. What's wrong with 'explained.' or just 'told you.'

Business language is the most horrible, soul-sucking way of speaking, second only to the language of the military.

Yea, you said pretty much exactly what I felt when I read that. Its almost, almost, comical how utterly out of touch these higher ups are when it comes to things like this. Couldn't possibly speak to these people on a human level, gotta put in that business spin.

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Holy shit. That's more than 4 TIMES the size of my home town. Wow.

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@r3dt1d3 said:

@spraynardtatum: So MS should keep 18k people employed that they don't need because compassion? They purchased a company and they can't support the large number of employees that brought in. Should every employee/stockholder before the buyout be punished so that MS can be compassionate?

You're speaking nonsense.

...sigh...

Maybe they shouldn't have bought something they can't support!

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@spraynardtatum: So MS should keep 18k people employed that they don't need because compassion? They purchased a company and they can't support the large number of employees that brought in. Should every employee/stockholder before the buyout be punished so that MS can be compassionate?

You're speaking nonsense.

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@thallium: Explain how I'm devaluing the meaning of inhumane. The definition is "lacking compassion, humanity, and kindness". If you don't think laying off 18,000 people so the company can be "more agile" isn't lacking in compassion, humanity, and kindness than I don't know what your standard is.

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This email reminds me of nothing more than this new Weird Al song:

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@jayjonesjunior: I think if you display the level of narcissism that causes you to come to an internet forum to tell everyone you're not interested in the topic, you probably deserve whatever shit you get for it

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@huey2k2 said:

@thallium said:

You're right but they never did care about supplying jobs for people. They're not in the business of supplying jobs. They're in the business of creating profit. I hate to break it to you but they have a responsibility to create shareholder wealth. Good or bad, that's how it is and that's how they are able to employ people. It'd be good if more people understood that.

Exactly this.

Like it or not, it is the responsibility of a business to generate profit for the shareholders.

Businesses aren't running with your best interests in mind, they are running to make money.

Employees are just an asset/resource that they need to do it, and sometimes the best way for a company to make money is to cut excess fat.

That is life in Capitalism, I am not saying whether or not I think it is the best way to do things, but that is how it works.

Debating the validity of the system that enables companies to do this kind of thing is fine, but implying that they are some kind of horrible monster for doing it is ridiculous.

Yes, they are horrible monsters. Microsoft is making plenty of profit. There is a difference between understanding how things work, and accepting them. Actions like these are completely unethical and only the most disgusting kind of human thinks this is ok 'because profit'. What management "people" usually forget that if no one has a job anymore, there won't be anyone to buy their goods. Because in the end, it's only the consumers that makes sure that companies get an income. In the long term everyone loses if regular people can't afford to buy goods anymore. But because MBA's are utter morons with only a short term vision, they won't see how they are dooming the western civilizations. Either that or they just don't care because they think they will be safe in their mansions when the rest of the country lives in poverty.

In my opinion companies do have an obligation to provide jobs as long as they can remain profitable, because why the fuck should we tolerate their nonsense otherwise?

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That's like laying off a small city. Holy crap.

Yeah, this is seriously terrible news.

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Subject: Starting to Evolve Our Organization and Culture

I synthesized our strategic direction as a productivity and platform company.

The first step to building the right organization for our ambitions is to realign our workforce.

our work toward synergies and strategic alignment

We will realize the synergies to which we committed when we announced the acquisition last September. The first-party phone portfolio will align to Microsoft’s strategic direction. To win in the higher price tiers, we will focus on breakthrough innovation that expresses and enlivens Microsoft’s digital work and digital life experiences.

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That email reads like something off of Office Space. Maybe small business man can translate it for the rest of us?

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Wonder how big of a bonus Nadella will collect on the backs of the 18,000 people he's just screwed. Feel bad for former independent Nokia employees who's company just got vultured and torn apart.

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Well, I won't really comment on MS move as I have no idea of the state of their business, I'll also not be apologetic about 18000 people losing their jobs like a lot of people are doing here, I bet if one of these people were one of the 18000 in the line of unemployment they would be felling quite differently about this.. unfortunately empathy is not a common thing these days...

What I will say though is that you gotta love the corporate world, specially the memos this guys send

"Hey people, yeah we're firing 18000 of you but hey, we have a great opportunity here in our hands, this is the most awesome time ever, everything is awesome"

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@humanity said:

@spraynardtatum said:

@humanity said:

It's Microsoft so 90% of people have made up their mind before even reading the article, because lets not forget that Microsoft is an evil corporation. This must never, ever be forgotten.

I hinted the sarcasm and I agree. Microsoft is the victim here. Not the 18,000.

I'm not sure why you have taken this so personally but no one mentioned that Microsoft is a victim in this situation. Also there is a staunch difference between getting laid off with 6 months notice and being fired.

As many, many people have pointed out in various ways already - it's unfortunate that those people are getting laid off, but pulling out all stops to completely victimize the employees and villify the big bad corporation is not the way to go. They aren't exactly being thrown to the curb here. Talk to anyone that has experienced serious layoffs during economic downturns and they will tell you they're getting let go fairly gently.

You just victimized Microsoft! In your last post!

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@humanity said:

It's Microsoft so 90% of people have made up their mind before even reading the article, because lets not forget that Microsoft is an evil corporation. This must never, ever be forgotten.

I hinted the sarcasm and I agree. Microsoft is the victim here. Not the 18,000.

I'm not sure why you have taken this so personally but no one mentioned that Microsoft is a victim in this situation. Also there is a staunch difference between getting laid off with 6 months notice and being fired.

As many, many people have pointed out in various ways already - it's unfortunate that those people are getting laid off, but pulling out all stops to completely victimize the employees and villify the big bad corporation is not the way to go. They aren't exactly being thrown to the curb here. Talk to anyone that has experienced serious layoffs during economic downturns and they will tell you they're getting let go fairly gently.

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@humanity said:

It's Microsoft so 90% of people have made up their mind before even reading the article, because lets not forget that Microsoft is an evil corporation. This must never, ever be forgotten.

I hinted the sarcasm and I agree. Microsoft is the victim here. Not the 18,000.

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It's Microsoft so 90% of people have made up their mind before even reading the article, because lets not forget that Microsoft is an evil corporation. This must never, ever be forgotten.

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@huey2k2 said:

@spraynardtatum said:

@huey2k2: 18,000 people. I'm not debating whether capitalism is fair. I'm saying Microsoft firing 18,000 people is morally reprehensible to me. I am calling Microsoft a heartless sleazy monster with no soul.

Here's to our corporate overlords:

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Companies need to lay people off sometimes, it is a fact of life.

And it is easy for someone who has absolutely no knowledge of their finances to suggest that it would be a trivial thing for MS to just hold onto 18,000 employees indefinitely out of goodwill.

You can live in your ideal fantasy world where nobody ever gets laid off all you want, but that is not how things happen in real life.

Yes it is unfortunate that these people are losing their jobs, but stop being so naive.

There is a massive difference between NOBODY ever getting laid off and 18,000 getting laid off in one email. And, like I mentioned to someone else that claimed I have no knowledge of Microsofts finances, EITHER DO YOU! Stop pretending like what I'm concerned about is no big deal. 18,000 people is not business as usual for any company. That is a huge huge huge huge huge number. It's sickening to think about honestly. Stop protecting Microsoft from being criticized for such an appalling thing to do.

Yes, of course...in the real world (not my ideal fantasy world) people need to get laid off. It's a fact of life. Stop pretending like that is at all where I'm coming from. I never said no one should be fired. 18,000 people however....that is a different story.

My point stands, if this was in the cards than they shouldn't have even considered buying Nokia. It's reprehensible.

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@spraynardtatum: I feel like you live in some fantasy land where:

a) No person should ever have to be laid off

b) Once you are laid off, it's impossible to get another job

c) Microsoft should spend ~$2 billion a year supporting redundant employees

These are people who work in the tech industry. There is high demand for their skills. They have valuable experience working with some of the top companies in the world. They are being given generous severance packages. Most of them will be just fine. Yes, losing a job is inconvenient, but it's natural. Businesses rise and decline. Where one place lets people go, another place opens its doors. It's the way the world works.

Well I hope there are a fuck ton of open doors because 18,000 can add up pretty quick. Imagine the queues! I'll say again...I don't know why I need to but I will...I'm not claiming AT ALL that no one should ever be laid off...

You go ahead and chalk this up to the rise and decline of business. I'm going to be on this side of the argument where I'm actually factoring in how many people this is. How many families of these peoples will be affected. "generous severance packages" can only go so far.

This is a monstrous. I don't care how much business sense it makes. It's inhumane.

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Let's not pretend the majority of these ppl are going to be starving. Many of them were cherry picked from the best Ivy League schools and won't have a problem finding work elsewhere. The near retirement age ppl have it the worst. Instead of retiring and buying a yacht they just gotta settle for a beach house. They are being laid off not fired. There is a difference. The people that should've been fired is the marketing teams and PR involved with the xbox one launch.

This is so breathtakingly uninformed, it's incredible.

You really think "cherry picked Ivy Leaguers" are going to comprise even 5% of these layoffs? Yachts and beach houses? What? $10 says over half of these cuts go to blue collar positions, and that's probably being too conservative.

They are being laid off with severance, as is the norm with lots of large, profitable companies who lay people off. They aren't going from yachts to beach houses. Man alive.

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@jonkrag said:

Does that mean that the whole ET Cartridges in the desert thing is dead too or was that another production company?

It was stated in another report that this project will be completed as well.

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@drdarkstryfe said:

They are at least giving notice to those affected so that they can start looking for future employment. Too many times do we see people handed a pink slip on a Friday, and that is the end of it.

Yeah, I also kind of disagree with the idea that six months notice is "cruel". It definitely sucks, but I'd take 6 months notice over six days any time :)

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@dr_mantas said:

Somehow I don't care.

About Microsoft's bottom line, or about the eighteen-thousand people who now have to struggle to find a way to feed themselves and their families?

or about Baby Seals getting clubbed to death? Let the guy be, nobody should be forced to give a shit about anything.

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While I feel bad for the people being let go, this is move MS needed to make. They've always been a bloated company, and the recent Nokia acquisition only made it worse. I'm glad they're going to downsize management as well. Those positions tend to be the most entrenched, and many exist just to justify existing.

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@spraynardtatum: I feel like you live in some fantasy land where:

a) No person should ever have to be laid off

b) Once you are laid off, it's impossible to get another job

c) Microsoft should spend ~$2 billion a year supporting redundant employees

These are people who work in the tech industry. There is high demand for their skills. They have valuable experience working with some of the top companies in the world. They are being given generous severance packages. Most of them will be just fine. Yes, losing a job is inconvenient, but it's natural. Businesses rise and decline. Where one place lets people go, another place opens its doors. It's the way the world works.

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It is terrible when anyone loses their job, but Microsoft has been running with a terribly bloated workforce for some time. The cuts, in which 12,500 of them will come from Nokia, will still be less than 10% of their global workforce. They are at least giving notice to those affected so that they can start looking for future employment. Too many times do we see people handed a pink slip on a Friday, and that is the end of it.

I am not surprised that Xbox Entertainment got the cut. That was always a Don Mattrick project that was a bullet point in his vision for the Xbox brand. The type of content that they were to create can be outsourced to actual studios for a much smaller cost than running an internal studio.

Exactly. This move was expected for quite some time, albeit not quite this drastically.

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@hollitz said:

I look forward to Ben Kuchera telling me that this is my fault.

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Let's not pretend the majority of these ppl are going to be starving. Many of them were cherry picked from the best Ivy League schools and won't have a problem finding work elsewhere. The near retirement age ppl have it the worst. Instead of retiring and buying a yacht they just gotta settle for a beach house. They are being laid off not fired. There is a difference. The people that should've been fired is the marketing teams and PR involved with the xbox one launch.

That's pretty much the opposite, vast majority of these jobs will be from manufacturing, QA and customer service which do not pay that much and finding a new job will be difficult. After seeing first-hand how three different IT companies (including Nokia) handle closing down the shop, it's the management and top tier employees who just change office while ground-floor workforce is just tossed out. Then you have the local suppliers closing down because they no longer have a client, or remaining smaller clients are not enough to keep it sustainable.

While I understand that this corporate bullshit is unfortunately the way it works in our economical system and companies are not interested in just being profitable, shareholders are expecting the huge profits and more each year or they will lose faith in you. It's a shitty system that has no consideration for the destruction it leaves in it's wake; unemployment, broken homes, substance abuse and suicides.

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All these lay offs as bill gates calls for tons of migrant workers in the tech field.

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Odd the things gaming press reports on. Can we expect a report the next time they make sweeping changes to their SQL Server licensing model? Because believe it or not... that makes more money than XBOX.

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I finally get an Xbox One and this happens... But in all seriousness the Xbox One release came at a weird time: during the transition from Balmer to Satya. The vision seems so different now but I'm not entirely sure that is a bad thing. It is sad to see so many people get laid off but maybe this will be better for consumers in the long run.

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@huey2k2: 18,000 people. I'm not debating whether capitalism is fair. I'm saying Microsoft firing 18,000 people is morally reprehensible to me. I am calling Microsoft a heartless sleazy monster with no soul.

Here's to our corporate overlords:

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Companies need to lay people off sometimes, it is a fact of life.

And it is easy for someone who has absolutely no knowledge of their finances to suggest that it would be a trivial thing for MS to just hold onto 18,000 employees indefinitely out of goodwill.

You can live in your ideal fantasy world where nobody ever gets laid off all you want, but that is not how things happen in real life.

Yes it is unfortunate that these people are losing their jobs, but stop being so naive.

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Let me tell you a story of a man named Stephen Elop, and a company called Nokia, in a land called Finland.

Twas in the time before september of 2010, a Canadian Fellow named Elop was then.

A member of a senior leadership team, worked for Microsoft and ran windows office, full steam.

But in 2010 a foolish plan, Elop became CEO of Nokia Finland.

He ventured full speed with a steep descent, dropped nokias market share by 35%.

He drove the company to the ground.

A genious? or just an fool? i still haven't found.

Then in the september of 2013, he announced to the world his newest scheme.

He would sell the company to his old buddy Steve and at a bargain price of most Nokias employees.

And so yesterday when the emails went out.

that Nokia would lay off, oh just about.

13000 employees there was no further doubt.

that The best laid schemes o' mice an' men, seldom works out.

It is time to stop rewarding failure.

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Let's not pretend the majority of these ppl are going to be starving. Many of them were cherry picked from the best Ivy League schools and won't have a problem finding work elsewhere. The near retirement age ppl have it the worst. Instead of retiring and buying a yacht they just gotta settle for a beach house. They are being laid off not fired. There is a difference. The people that should've been fired is the marketing teams and PR involved with the xbox one launch.

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I feel really bad for these guys and gals that got laid off.

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Let me tell you a story of a man named Stephen Elop, and a company called Nokia, in a land called Finland.

Twas in the time before september of 2010, a Canadian Fellow named Elop was then.

A member of a senior leadership team, worked for Microsoft and ran windows office, full steam.

But in 2010 a foolish plan, Elop became CEO of Nokia Finland.

He ventured full speed with a steep descent, dropped nokias market share by 35%.

He drove the company to the ground.

A genious? or just an fool? i still haven't found.

Then in the september of 2013, he announced to the world his newest scheme.

He would sell the company to his old buddy Steve and at a bargain price of most Nokias employees.

And so yesterday when the emails went out.

that Nokia would lay off, oh just about.

13000 employees there was no further doubt.

that The best laid schemes o' mice an' men, seldom works out.

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Shitty jargon aside, this clearly shows MS are trying to recover from their failures in the mobile market.

They are essentially removing themselves from the Nokia brand entirely.

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@thallium: Oh it was everyone in the quote thread in general and yes we are all in agreement that the lay off situation is very unfortunate no matter how you look at it.

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@thallium said:

@spraynardtatum said:
@thallium said:

@spraynardtatum said:

@huey2k2: 18,000 people. I'm not debating whether capitalism is fair. I'm saying Microsoft firing 18,000 people is morally reprehensible to me. I am calling Microsoft a heartless sleazy monster with no soul.

Here's to our corporate overlords:

No Caption Provided

Good argument.

I work for a small company that at it's peak employed over 200 employees. During the last recession they let go approximately 150 employees or about 75% of the work force. It was do that or close up shop. Now, business is coming back and people have been rehired or new positions filled and it is still a going concern.

18,000 employees is not even 15% of Microsoft's workforce. You don't have the slightest clue what decisions were made and what outcomes were averted by going this route, but I see it's pointless to argue with you.

Those are obviously two separate situations. Microsoft wouldn't have had to "close up shop" if these 18,000 people weren't fired. That is nowhere in that letter.

Also, I'd like to point out that I can levee the exact same bolded argument on you. Except I'm not the one excusing 18,000 losing their jobs in the process.

I don't have any idea what your last paragraph means. I never excused anything and I don't know what a bolded argument is.

You have done nothing but find excuses for the layoffs since you replied to my first comment. As for a bolded argument, I was just referencing the text that I had bolded above.

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Between this and Kin, Microsoft sure loves investing a bunch of time and money and then pulling the plug prematurely.

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@gaspower said:

@thallium said:

@spraynardtatum said:

@huey2k2: 18,000 people. I'm not debating whether capitalism is fair. I'm saying Microsoft firing 18,000 people is morally reprehensible to me. I am calling Microsoft a heartless sleazy monster with no soul.

Good argument.

I work for a small company that at it's peak employed over 200 employees. During the last recession they let go approximately 150 employees or about 75% of the work force. It was do that or close up shop. Now, business is coming back and people have been rehired or new positions filled and it is still a going concern.

18,000 employees is not even 15% of Microsoft's workforce. You don't have the slightest clue what decisions were made and what outcomes were averted by going this route, but I see it's pointless to argue with you.

Yeah, I know that layoffs are not a good thing but in a way at least they are being transparent. The other thing is that is not that all 18,000 are going to be fired effective as of that announcement but rather its going to take months going until next year and making sure those who are affected are being taken care of.

Don't get me wrong, it still sucks that people are losing their jobs. I wish everyone affected gets to transition into a new job or start up their own thing sooner rather than later.

Who are you responding too? I agree with you.

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@thallium said:

@spraynardtatum said:

@huey2k2: 18,000 people. I'm not debating whether capitalism is fair. I'm saying Microsoft firing 18,000 people is morally reprehensible to me. I am calling Microsoft a heartless sleazy monster with no soul.

Here's to our corporate overlords:

No Caption Provided

Good argument.

I work for a small company that at it's peak employed over 200 employees. During the last recession they let go approximately 150 employees or about 75% of the work force. It was do that or close up shop. Now, business is coming back and people have been rehired or new positions filled and it is still a going concern.

18,000 employees is not even 15% of Microsoft's workforce. You don't have the slightest clue what decisions were made and what outcomes were averted by going this route, but I see it's pointless to argue with you.

Those are obviously two separate situations. Microsoft wouldn't have had to "close up shop" if these 18,000 people weren't fired. That is nowhere in that letter.

Also, I'd like to point out that I can levee the exact same bolded argument on you. Except I'm not the one excusing 18,000 losing their jobs in the process.

I don't have any idea what your last paragraph means. I never excused anything and I don't know what a bolded argument is.