Miyamoto Says Wii U Hardware Unlikely to 'Dramatically' Outperform Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3

he said he couldnt say if it out performed, , he did not say it wont outperform , its still in development 1 yr away actually and the footage developers saw was a tad better then this gens system so much even the one who uses the crytech engine said" this is a platform that fits our needs - the one who also said this gens systems were a bit dated so , only time will tell but even if its not that much better, you cant expect the next gen system to be that much better either, i mean they already go photorealism so what can they do besides adding 3d which has already been done ,

you all are over your heads if you think we will start seeing life games /virtual reaility type graphics, some things are not possible with computers theyll need to start rolling out the cameras if they wanted movie expeirences lol and what would be the point in that,

really , i think the focus should be getting online fixed up a bit and keep the gameplay going , if they can do that at the same time as hd graphics ,

then they will have the perfect system for everybody, they dont want to pull a ps3 out of their hate , you already know whats gonna happen if they did ,

see sonys e3 2006 press conference for further details 350-400 is the highest id pay for a gaming console ,

sony pushed my buttons this gen that was a big mistake , 600 freakin dollars no games , ya if you want nintendo to make a powerful console thats expensive maybe you should have bought a 3ds and shown them price dont matter lol but right now they gotta play it safe ,cause price does in deed matter i agree with iwata very positively , 720 ps4 is far away any how so any chance you wanna better new system the wii u will be the only option whether you like it or not , ps4 is not coming until 2014-2015 , seeing as they just recently started making money off of ps3 do you actually think sony can afford another system they gotta see where vita goes , the xperia was already bad , so was psp go , and psp did not do well in any other territory out side japan , even then they are getting a 1 2 punch by ds and 3ds ,

and microsoft -i never liked their chances , lets look back at their track record their track record is so similar to sega in fact you should never compare a nintendo system to sega , when nintendo is coming off a victory this gen , microsoft has never had victory , look at it this way , they even had a head start and fell bacl to ps3s grasp wii was done and past them both by the very next year after it came out so , its out of here,

so saying wii u will fail i dont think so , i think it will do just as good as nintendo entertainment system or snes not wii good but good enough

if they price it right! 269 would be a good price , and seeing nintendos history with console /handheld comparision youll see the console was always 100 more then the handheld,

sonys mistake right now is pricing ps3 at the same price as the base model for vita, big mistake another mistake is 3 -5 hour battery life max 3ds pumps 8 thats on par with ds original

so you gotta remember nintendo knows the ins and outs of games because they are strictly a gaming company, i guarantee you , if microsoft raises the price of xbox live one more time they will be sega

At what point do they not realize, that the motion controllers...are not the wave of the future.  People like them for there niche, and that's it.  They don't work for most games, they are annoying, and no matter how badly you want to "integrate exercise" into the experience, it's not going to happen.  Remember when that was the thing?  It was a way to get you up and moving?  Yeah, how many people play there Wii sitting down?  seriously.  Nintendo needs to focus on hand helds, that's where they dominate.  They made the mistake years ago of saying cartridges were the way to go, and they have been playing catch up ever since. 

@joku2002: They smell great don't they? I love the smell of mine! :)

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Then what is the fucking point?

@MonkeyKing1969 said:

@ShinAli said:

@Dany said:

Then what is the fucking point?

The point is that there isn't enough tech to justify a new generation jump, keep costs down to be competitive with 360 and PS3 at launch and not drive developers into more R&D/upscale asset creation costs after being assured by both Microsoft and Sony that there is plenty of life in this generation to go on.

This is a stop gap solution to gain back the core market and still retain all the things that the Wii was known for.

That was pretty much John Carmack's point.

I think Nintendo is very aware that in three or at most four years they will have another new system out. They won't say that until 2013 e3, but I would expect Wii U to cost $250 next year and have a very small life span. A year after PS4 comes out Nintendo will launch another system. The question will be, will they match PS4 or will they intentionally be a half step behind again?

You know, the reason Nintendo didn't go all out back in 2006 is because PS3 and 360 didn't give profit for the longest time, those consoles have just started net them some money. That's why I don't think MS and Sony will release another one soon, and if they do, the jump would not be as big. That's why Nintendo won't go much higher than Ps3 I think, it would be bad business move as already demonstrated this gen. Also if they went too far ahead now, Nintendo could be in a opposite situation than with the WII: Too expensive developing for when there are two other cheaper consoles.

@MonkeyKing1969 said:

That was pretty much John Carmack's point.

I think Nintendo is very aware that in three or at most four years they will have another new system out. They won't say that until 2013 e3, but I would expect Wii U to cost $250 next year and have a very small life span. A year after PS4 comes out Nintendo will launch another system. The question will be, will they match PS4 or will they intentionally be a half step behind again?

That actually makes a lot of sense. The more that I think about it, it seems really likely that this is more of a stopgap to the next-gen consoles of Sony and Microsoft. With at least one to two more years before we play those consoles, this seems to fit right in line with what we know to expect.

I love nintendo, but... I don't think I'm even going to bother buying this. The only thing that could convince me is if they released a Zelda game that's not exactly like all the others yet doesn't use motion controls (or overuse that touch screen.) Which I don't think will happen.

@ShinAli said:

@Dany said:

Then what is the fucking point?

The point is that there isn't enough tech to justify a new generation jump, keep costs down to be competitive with 360 and PS3 at launch and not drive developers into more R&D/upscale asset creation costs after being assured by both Microsoft and Sony that there is plenty of life in this generation to go on.

This is a stop gap solution to gain back the core market and still retain all the things that the Wii was known for.

That was pretty much John Carmack's point.

I think Nintendo is very aware that in three or at most four years they will have another new system out. They won't say that until 2013 e3, but I would expect Wii U to cost $250 next year and have a very small life span. A year after PS4 comes out Nintendo will launch another system. The question will be, will they match PS4 or will they intentionally be a half step behind again?

@Dany said:

The what is the fucking point?

Nintendo likes being a generation behind everyone I guess.

Found this video, worth a watch:

Did anyone think otherwise?

More price than performance on this issue Patrick.

And why would they want it to have up-to-date graphics? That'd make way too much sense!

Who am I kidding. This will outsell the other two new systems just like the Wii did by appealing to the same people. Families will continue to embrace it while the rest of us sit here stupidly going "Why do people even like that fuckin thing."

$249.99... i'm calling it now

How does Wii U appeal to casuals at all? I don't understand why Nintendo is releasing the Wii U as a casual system in terms of lesser hardware to keep price down, when it's obviously too complex for the casual market. The philosophy behind the original Wii was "Simple controller will dominate the casual market!"
 
Now the Wii U is trying to do the same thing with the most complex controller of any of the consoles.

lol Nintendo's new motto is "Parent's first"

I've been burned by Nintendo buying the Wii day 1 so I'll at least wait a year.

I'm a sucka as like most of you I would imagine, I will buy every iteration Nintendo console for the franchise games. That's how they get you! Stop with the 3rd party lies

It's still a much more powerful gpu than the ps3's 7800 GTX 256mb. I mean they are using something like a HD 4890, so while it's not dramatic, it can do 1080p easily with some AA.

@joku2002 said:

hmm i smell a dreamcast

How so? Dreamcast outperformed N64 and PS1 by a long shot.

At least they have joined the HD area.

@DoctorWelch: It is the most logical way to go. Consider this: Most normal people only care that much about entertainment, what Nintendo is going for makes a lot of sense but there is still things to be decided. I think they once said it could handle more than one controller, but they need to consider if it is worth it.

Also saying that Next-box and Playstation 4 will blow it away are not given considered the last two generations, also the tech jump stunt MS and Sony did in 2005-06 didn't turn profit in a loong time, maybe not enough even today, so I don't think they want to get back there for awhile.

But who can say right? Let Nintendo do their thing, we can't do squat other than see how it turns out.

Yes but it still doesn't mean that it cannot be 50% more powerful then current consoles. You guys may just be taking things out of context. Anyways 50% more or even 40% more powerful is more then I can ask for. I am really looking forward to HD and more games available. I hate having multiple consoles.

How can nintendo not see they are heading for disaster? In my opinion the Wii craze is pretty much over. When it first came out it was crazy, unique, and an extreme success, and now I know tons of people and families that dont play games that have a Wii. They have maybe at the most 2 or 3 games besides Wii sports like a Mario Party, Mario Kart, and then maybe something like Wii fit, and realistically I wouldnt suggest too many other games to them except maybe New Super Mario. I remember in the first couple years of the Wii everyone was obsessed with that thing and people played it all the time. Now, I wouldnt doubt the majority of Wii's are sitting around doing nothing because people have outgrown its 3 games and it's no longer some crazy unique thing to play with.

The difference between the Wii and the Xbox/PS3 has always been that the Wii has the shitty hardware but interesting unique controller, and the Xbox/PS3 have the hardware and regular controls for the people that actually want to play real games. The thing is the Xbox/PS3 just released there their gimmicky controller to match the Wii last Christmas, and now the Wii is releasing its system to match up with the Xbox/PS3 in hardware, but they are doing this TWO YEARS LATER. They are too late to the updating your console to make it match the other one(s) party, and way too early to the new console party especially when their hardware is going to look like a steaming pile of shit compared to whatever the next Xbox/PS has inside it. So what are they going to do, put out this console and then another one when the new competition comes out? Because I can tell you one thing, this new system will not survive in the next generation especially when the Xbox has its crazy controller in the Kinect that's gonna carry over, and the Playstation also has Move along with (as Jeff or someone on one of the E3 podcasts suggested) the possibility to match Nintendo's weird new thing with potentially making the Vita a controller for the PS3 or their next system (which they probably wont do but who knows).

Another problem is they are introducing this weird new controller, another gimmick, as the main selling point for this thing. Yes, people bought the Kinect and Move, but how much of this stuff are they going to keep buying when no one is making any games for it and its kinda same old same old? You like it for a week or a month, and then it sits there and almost never gets used again. I dont think people are going to go shell out another couple hundred dollars (or however much it costs) for this thing when they have already bought in and become bored multiple times.

Nintendo is setting themselves up to be trapped, and with this article saying that they hardware in the Wii U (which honestly is by far the worst name for anything ever. I am never one to get my panties all up in a bunch over names cause whatever its not a big deal, but not only was the name Wii the worst of all time, Nintendo decided they needed to top that with something even more stupid and ridiculous) isnt going to be much better than the current systems they are setting themselves up to be in a lose lose situation. What worries me even more is that they dont seem to be very confident about this thing either. They dont know whether it will support more than one of those controllers or if they will even be selling these things in stores because they will probably be super expensive. So basically they have three options:

1. Dont sell the thing in stores. Then you only have one per system with one person playing with the new controller at any time with any game which is just a terrible way to do things.

2. Sell the thing in stores and make it super expensive. Now people are going to have to buy the system for a couple hundred dollars AND shell out significantly more if they want one of these crazy controllers, which is insane and completely unrealistic.

or 3. Take a hit and sell the thing in stores for the price of a regular controller. We both know that that isnt going to happen because Nintendo isnt in the business of losing money on hardware, especially when the most expensive part of the Wii U is probably going to be the controller.

Since the very beginning of the announcement of this thing I have been wondering how the hell Nintendo doesnt see themselves ending up like the dreamcast. I have been trying as hard as I can to logically find a way for this to work out for Nintendo and I just dont see it. Even if this thing does sell fairly well Nintendo is still trapping themselves in a corner once the new generation of consoles hit. The Wii came out with old hardware and a gimmick. Now the Wii U is coming out with comparatively ancient hardware when the other new consoles hit, a gimmick that Nintendo itself doesnt even understand how its going to work yet, in a market that is going to be more cautious than ever when approaching this system. I love Nintendo and their games and I have for ever since my childhood, but I just dont see this ending anywhere but disaster.

This is disappointing. A year or two after this console launches it will be totally crushed by the next Microsoft and Sony consoles.

This will come back and bite them in the ass in two years when the next next gen consoles will start to roll in.

Not surprised, it doesn't really need to.

hmm i smell a dreamcast

Unless Nintendo come up with a rock-solid seamless online system, I don't think I will be buying a Wii U this time.

May not support more than one controller at once?
 
Dammit.
 
I've waited a long time for something reminiscent of the VMU to return to gaming, and I hoped the WiiU could deliver on some of the promise of the Dreamcast's screen-in-control concept. Well, it may deliver on some of that promise, I guess. Sigh.

Though I personally never liked the Wii I have a hard time doubting that Nintendo will once again move crazy units with this thing regardless of games or tech.

This is going to be a weird system we are all going to look back on in a decade and wonder what they fuck they were thinking.

@Majkiboy said:

Give me F-Zero in HD, kthx

Not interested at all after I heard that only one Wii U controller works per console. Totally kills it for me.

Great idea, but it needs to have at least 4 controllers with that functionality for it to seem really great.

Granted I haven't played it yet, but I really don't like the Wiimotes, especially for the next generation of consoles.

Nintendo is gonna have to really impress me with the first year launch of games before I even consider buying the Wii U. Just like some of the previous posts about the Wii..it was a a kiddie/family system with so small of a selection of games to even want to play it, I just have a hard time even having hopes they will serve the hardcore players like Microsoft/Sony are able to.

And that is why Nintendo (or anyone else) cannot produce a console which pleases everyone. They touted the Wii U as the machine for core gamers and yet they still revolve all their strategy around the kiddy market who needs their mums to buy them stuff. When the Wii U comes out both Microsoft and Sony will be almost ready to start talking next generation. When the second generation of Wii U games start coming out core gamers will already be glimpsing the future. Still getting myself a Wii U though. I think there is only so much you can do graphically at this point in time.

I still think E3 2012 or sooner - Xbox xxx Everyone going "HOLY CRAP" and "Wii What?"
 
Kinect for example is missing its dedicated processing chip so it could be even more then it is, they removed it to keep the cost down.
What I think the next Xbox will have is the same camera support but a chip and maybe memory and more dedicated to handle whats coming from the camera.
 
This should expand what the camera can do without new hardware and not harming the main CPU.

This is what I think:

There's one big ass reason the Wii "won" and "lost". The controller. Not the hardware, not the specs. The controller. The controller sold a lot, but the controller wasn't good enough for lots of companies. Companies do not look to sell you a game that requires an accessory that is not included with the console, and doesn't support the main controller that is already included with the console.

What does this mean? Lots of people hated the Wiimote. Lots of companies hated it as well for the lack of compatibility with their big titles. As much as people want hardware, when it comes down to preferences, it's always the games. And games weren't appearing on Wii just at the same rate. 

Sure it doesn't help that basically the PS3 and 360 hardware is just more similar than the Wii and any of them. But the point is, before the Wii came out people were expecting great games even at the cost of outdated hardware. Because it can be done. It's not pretty, but it can be done, and Nintendo is aware of this. They're also now aware of the controller flaw. So they basically decided to support third parties on classic controllers. They still keep with outdated hardware, but they advanced to the point where gamers can also find this console entertaining, and companies can just port games over the console due to how universally appealing it is. Sure it is a big screen, but it doesn't seem to lack functions, except for thumb"slider" buttons which are supposed to be there though. Also, gyroscopes are a good contribution to actual gaming rather than the casual market. These, combined with the second analog slider can provide precise aiming that does not require aim assist.

Overall I think that if Nintendo doesn't win in terms of market sales this time around, they will at least win a little in the gaming business.

I hope it fails. Nintendo can then focus on making games and release them on proper platforms instead of putting out gimmicky hardware that's stuck in the past. How could anyone not want this?

Meh, I already have a PS3 and a 360, so unless Nintendo's going to do something other than rehash the same three or four mascots ad infinitum, I'm not biting.

@joehandel: It costs like $1200 for a decent gaming computer so a large company could probably buy enough quantity of parts for $800 machine. So you want to put about $800 bucks into a box and sell if for $400/300. You wouldn't make a good CEO.

When I lived there only kids and man childs were the ones that acceptably played video games in that culture. We have so much free time here and space expecting blockbuster experiences in our living rooms. The Japanese companies haven't caught up with this western generation.

nintendo has tried to shift their pricing model from the typical game supporting their company to constant console refreshes supplemented by peripherals. In the GBA and DS this has been extremely obvious in the form of handheld refreshes, and in the Wii's case we've seen it in the form of the balance board, the vitality sensor, the steering wheel, the motion plus, and now we're seeing what is essentially a hardware update that includes a new controller- but is backward compatible with the wiimote, sort of edging back toward the 'peripheral' business model. It wasn't just the Wii either, the gamecube had a modicum of success with the GCN-->GBA cable and the game boy player. Since the original NES Nintendo has used peripherals as an incentive to purchase consoles in bundle, a vessel for moving certain games, and then the games people hooked on the newer system. Unfortunately, lately they've been focusing too much on that side and I don't think they've given enough thought to the game part XD

He's right, the only requirement they have to satisfy is "HD Graphics" which resonate with most of their audience. It will be plastered all over the box and marketing materials. Plus all reports from credible gaming people are that it looks "fantastic in HD", so Nintendo can keep making money off of consoles by doing just enough with the guts, and everyone's happy.

@joehandel: It costs like $1200 for a decent gaming computer so a large company could probably buy enough quantity of parts for $800 machine. So you want to put about $800 bucks into a box and sell if for $400/300. You wouldn't make a good CEO.