Praise Be to Bethesda: Skyrim Will Use Steamworks

@Xshinobi: Yes thank you I feel the same way I don't see the big deal with Steam just an annoying application you have to load up to play and when games don't have them the Valve/Steam fanboys flip out.Besides what's the point of Steam?Especially during playing with all those annoying messages if you have friends.Now that I think about it Steam just seems like a way PC players can get together like Xbox Live and PSN.

@jasondesante said:

@Agent47 said:

@Xshinobi: Yes thank you I feel the same way I don't see the big deal with Steam just an annoying application you have to load up to play and when games don't have them the Valve/Steam fanboys flip out.Besides what's the point of Steam?Especially during playing with all those annoying messages if you have friends.Now that I think about it Steam just seems like a way PC players can get together like Xbox Live and PSN.

it took this guy 7 years to think about one thing LOL. He doesnt even know theres a settings menu in steam that lets you change the notifications you see LOL He has obviously never played a game that uses Steamworks LOL

He's like not ending every sentence with "LOL" LOL.

Add another Skyrim-capable PC to the registry and send it to me. Render unto VGK that which is VGK's.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Wait, you're getting married?

I don't get what you mean about the game being "ours"?  I swear people these days have such a sense of entitlement that nothing can be done right in their eyes.

I feel like this is some weird kind of war and everyone is joining sides.

"Anti-cheating mechanisms"? Gross. I thought the whole point of playing Bethesda games on PC was to break them and make them way more fun?

@YukoAsho said:

@Chirag4 said:

I don't get what you mean about the game being "ours"? I swear people these days have such a sense of entitlement that nothing can be done right in their eyes.

Is it really entitlement to not want games that can be snatched from you at publisher whim? You trust the internet far, far too much.

Yes it is entitlement. Especially since everyone knows you never really own a game, just purchased a license to run them. It's your entitlement issues that make you think you have the right to own everything.

Glad Bethesda ditched GFWL. It made Fallout: New Vegas much easier to patch than Fallout 3 was.

Add another Skyrim-capable PC to the registry and send it to me. Render unto VGK that which is VGK's.          Wait, you're getting married?

@YukoAsho said:

@Chirag4 said:

I don't get what you mean about the game being "ours"? I swear people these days have such a sense of entitlement that nothing can be done right in their eyes.

Is it really entitlement to not want games that can be snatched from you at publisher whim? You trust the internet far, far too much.

Yes it is entitlement. Especially since everyone knows you never really own a game, just purchased a license to run them. It's your entitlement issues that make you think you have the right to own everything.

@Meowshi:   Actually, I don't listen to the Bombcast. I don't know how the hell to listen to podcasts. I've tried, and it's always either been "waiting on this page like it's a video sucks", or "browsing the Internet and doing other stuff forces me to half-listen to it, not doing the Bombcast justice."

1998: Put disc in computer, install game, play game -> crash. Search for latest patch, let me see I have the Dutch version but that is the International version but I have the later gold version of the game so I should get this patch I think... -> Play.

2011: Download game from Steam, install game, play.

I have a copy of Beyond Good & Evil, the disc is so scratched that it won't play anymore. I also have a copy on Steam. No problems.

Above reasons are part of why I love Steam. Now if you don't like Steam that's your choice. I want to play my games in the easiest way fashionable. Steam provides.

@CaLe:  This.   Its not really that expensive to buy a decent rig these days.  I bought the one I'm using right now for $700 off Newegg and it has a 4GB ram, 2.8 Ghz processor and Radeon HD 5570 Video card and its pretty much can run everything out there at max settings outside of  the high end DX11 stuff. 

I dont want this... Having steamworks drm is a bad thing to me, you pay to really just "borrow" access to the game that valve can take away at anytime. :( if this kind of drm was from any other company other than valve people would be flipping shits

@YukoAsho said:

@Jams said:

@YukoAsho said:

@Chirag4 said:

I don't get what you mean about the game being "ours"? I swear people these days have such a sense of entitlement that nothing can be done right in their eyes.

Is it really entitlement to not want games that can be snatched from you at publisher whim? You trust the internet far, far too much.

Yes it is entitlement. Especially since everyone knows you never really own a game, just purchased a license to run them. It's your entitlement issues that make you think you have the right to own everything.

Head up your ass much? EULA or not, I know that if I buy a physical disc unbound to an online service, the only way the publisher can take it from me is by kicking down my door and taking it. On Steam or other client-based services, the publisher needs only flip a switch. Sorry I might wanna play Skyrim in 10-15 years. Didn't know that offended you. Asshole.

@YukoAsho: The way you're talking makes me thing that you think that they're housing the physical game on their servers and can simply rip the file from your hard drive at any whim, or make you unable to access it somehow.  Like that's not how Steamworks works at all. It's not the Diablo 3 DRM.

@Summoboomo said:

@YukoAsho: The way you're talking makes me thing that you think that they're housing the physical game on their servers and can simply rip the file from your hard drive at any whim, or make you unable to access it somehow.  Like that's not how Steamworks works at all. It's not the Diablo 3 DRM.

The problem isn't so much taking the game data as taking away the validation.  I'd have no trouble if it weren't for the client.  Remember a few years back when a huge storm in their area knocked out Steam servers and rendered Steam unusable for a day?  A day isn't a big deal, but it leads one to believe that they can indeed take your ability to USE the game away should they so desire.

They could take away your ability to launch the game through Steam, I suppose, but it would be easy to find a workaround so long as the game isn't hosted entirely on the company's servers (like, say, an MMO, but even then people work to launch their own MMO servers). Pirated copies of Steamworks games being available show this it's pretty easy to launch a Steamworks game outside of Steam.  There may very well be a day where you can't play a single player game ten years down the line because a company's shut off its servers and there's no workaround, but Steamworks isn't the program to do it, and Skyrim isn't going to be that game.  Though Steam does have an offline mode, too. It works like shit but it's... uh.... 'there'.

It's a single player game. I don't need any online framework - Steam or otherwise.

I should add that to my wedding registry...

Presumably sarcasm, since I believe you have testicles and therefore would not be registering for wedding gifts.

@thunderzach said:

"Anti-cheating mechanisms"? Gross. I thought the whole point of playing Bethesda games on PC was to break them and make them way more fun?

None of the examples Patrick listed, except for cloud support, would even be used in Skyrim anyway since it's entirely singleplayer. Achievements and DRM are the only other things Steamworks could really offer for this game.

It's a single player game. I don't need any online framework - Steam or otherwise.

If an Xbox can play this building a PC for this would be cheap.

@caryrabbit: An Xbox can play Rage & The Witcher 2 but that doesnt mean they wont look better on a PC that can run them on higher settings.

@Branthog said:

It's a single player game. I don't need any online framework - Steam or otherwise.

Yeah.  I gave up this fight long ago, but this man speaks the truth.  I love Steam for multiplayer games but for singleplayer it just feels like DRM to me, and is annoying.

Steam should find a way to make steamworks mandatory for all Steam games

@StingingVelvet said:

@Branthog said:

It's a single player game. I don't need any online framework - Steam or otherwise.

Yeah.  I gave up this fight long ago, but this man speaks the truth.  I love Steam for multiplayer games but for singleplayer it just feels like DRM to me, and is annoying.

It is DRM.

meh steam

Good new indeed.

Does this have any impact on the xbox 360 version?

@DarthB: no

It's really awesome to see Bethesda/id/Zenimax embracing Steam instead of crying about Valve's Terms of Service. I thought the Quakecon sale was awesome because I finally got Brink for the price I wanted to pay! Bethesda recently added cloud saves to several of their older Steam games which I found out about when I logged into Steam last week and watched my Oblivion and Fallout 3 save games upload to the cloud. Very cool. Once I find out how Steam will work with RAGE, I'm sure I'll happily pay Zenimax more $$ than I'm paying any other publisher this year.

I hate EA for not doing this. Peter Moore wtf?!!!!

I don't get how most of that would be relevant to a TES game. I'm slightly sceptic becuase I'm not that big of a Steam fan but that's just preference and neither here nor there. But still: why would I rejoice about that when it has been in New Vegas to begin with as others have already said?

That is good news indeed.

Am I the only guy who doesn't mind if it was GFWL?
 
Probably so.

@JoyfullOFrockets said:

Am I the only guy who doesn't mind if it was GFWL? Probably so.

Not only I don't mind it, I like GFWL. I have never had a problem with it, so I have no reason to hate it, though I see why many people complain about it.

@ShaggyDude said:

It's really awesome to see Bethesda/id/Zenimax embracing Steam instead of crying about Valve's Terms of Service. I thought the Quakecon sale was awesome because I finally got Brink for the price I wanted to pay! Bethesda recently added cloud saves to several of their older Steam games which I found out about when I logged into Steam last week and watched my Oblivion and Fallout 3 save games upload to the cloud. Very cool. Once I find out how Steam will work with RAGE, I'm sure I'll happily pay Zenimax more $$ than I'm paying any other publisher this year.

Where did you hear this about Steam Cloud in Fallout 3? I have it on Steam and i cant find anything about it having Steam Cloud.

Now I can gladly pre-order it.

I think some ppl will be pissed off if they have to be hooked into
Steam in order to play the game (no playing it on an airplane or
remote, no-Internet location, for instance).  I've had quite a few
friends who aren't big fans of Steam & this is the reason they
always give me about why they hate it.   I don't know if this 
development library is part of that, but if it is, there are bound
to be groans.

Barring people who live in places where they have bad internet because everybody is too afraid of being eaten by bears, how many people don't have access to a reliable internet connection? Is the really that big of an issue, or are people unhappy because it's DRM? 
Yes, Steam is DRM, but it's the best-implemented and least troublesome solution for end users.

Goods news if your getting the PC version but I am gonna have get the 360 version.

I think some ppl will be pissed off if they have to be hooked into Steam in order to play the game (no playing it on an airplane or remote, no-Internet location, for instance).  I've had quite a few friends who aren't big fans of Steam & this is the reason they always give me about why they hate it.   I don't know if this  development library is part of that, but if it is, there are bound to be groans.

@Forcen: Here'sthe news about the cloud saves. I know these games are saving something to the cloud when Steam does an upload after every game session. I have the Fallout 3 GOTY edition so it might be different?

More importantly, does this mean that if I purchase a (cheaper) retail copy, I can activate it on Steam? 
 
Dealbreaker.