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Sony's Asking You to Waive Your Rights, But You Have Options

Keep your legal rights by sending a letter--we even made a template! Plus, a lawyer questions whether this will even hold up.

Agreeing toPSN's new Terms of Service waives certain legal rights, unless you mail a letter.
Agreeing toPSN's new Terms of Service waives certain legal rights, unless you mail a letter.

UPDATE: Some users pointed out this wouldn't apply worldwide, as laws are in place elsewhere to protect consumers from this. Kotaku Australia confirmed it won't apply to Europe or Australia.

ORIGINAL STORY: When I booted up NFL Sunday Ticket to watch the Chicago Bears on Sunday (which worked fine this week), Sony asked me to agree to an updated Terms of Service to access PlayStation Network. Standard stuff. We blindly agree to these things all the time, but this time, it's different.

Sony is asking you to waive the right to collectively sue them, and instead resolve any disputes individually through another process called arbitration (read: outside of the courts).

Sony has not revealed why it's implemented this change, but it's easy to guess it's in response to PSN security imploding back in April, exposing the personal data of 75 million PSN accounts. It was a total disaster.

Within days after admitting PSN had been compromised, the company had been sued, that time by 36-year-old Kristopher Johns of Birmingham, Ala, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.

Below is the legal excerpt causing a stir, but you can read the entire updated Terms of Service right here.

"Any dispute resolution proceedings, whether in arbitration or court, will be conducted only on an individual basis and not in a class or representative action or as a named or unnamed member in a class, consolidated, representative or private attorney general legal action, unless both you and the Sony entity with which you have a dispute specifically agree to do so in writing following initiation of the arbitration. This provision does not preclude your participation as a member in a class action filed on or before August 20, 2011."

If you don't agree, you cannot continue to play games online. That's a hard bargain.

The reason people bring class action lawsuits against companies runs under the the same principles governing unions: power in numbers. One person's going to have a tough time staring down a giant corporation, but if thousands or millions of people are speaking together, there's a chance it'll listen. Having the discussion happen behind-closed-doors doesn't help matters.

This effectively cuts group action off at the knees.

Sony's likely buried the opt-out option in this update to discourage anyone from opting-out.
Sony's likely buried the opt-out option in this update to discourage anyone from opting-out.

"This really sort of sucks because it is doubtful that any individual could afford to sue them," explained Washington attorney Thomas Buscaglia, who specializes in games. "Not sure how enforceable it will be, but I think it it would be really cool if gamers started to circulate a form opt out rejection of these terms and mailed them in."

As it turns out, there's an opt-out buried in the Terms of Service, but if you've already signed off on the updated Terms of Service, you need to act quickly; Sony's built a countdown into the agreement itself.

"If you do not wish to be bound by the binding arbitration and class action waiver in this Section 15," reads the Terms of Service, "you must notify SNEI [Sony Network Entertainment] in writing within 30 days of the date that you accept this agreement."

Tick, tock. Tick, tock.

To retain your right to participate in class action lawsuits, you must send the company a letter with your name, address, PSN account and a "clear statement that you do not wish to resolve disputes with any Sony entity through arbitration." Once you have that letter prepared, print it out and mail it here:

6080 Center Drive
10th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90045
Attn: Legal Department/Arbitration
Attn: Sony Legal Department: Dispute Resolution

I'll even make things easier: here's a document I created you can use as your personal template.

What happens next isn't clear.

Sony has provided all 75 million and counting members of PSN a clear way to maintain their existing rights, but by asking everyone to agree to ditching those rights in order to continue using PSN and asking them to mail a letter to keep them, they've ensured most will have given them away. That's assuming the majority of users are even aware something substantive has changed; how often have you seen an email full of legal mumbo jumbo, pretended to read it, then quickly deleted it?

That said, Sony's move could run into problems, regardless of whether you send in a letter or not.

"This is certainly not standard practice by any standards...in fact it may well not be enforceable," said Buscaglia. "Time will tell on that one. The US Federal Trade Commission and various state consumer protection agencies could have a problem with it. Also, some courts might not allow it to be enforced due to existing state court precedent."

Even if this move wouldn't hold up in court (ironic!), it may scare off anyone from trying, which would make it a success.

As Buscaglia said, time will tell. In the meantime, maybe you should go buy some stamps.

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@SeriouslyNow said:

@xaLieNxGrEyx said:

IT'S A FUCKING VIDEO GAME CONSOLE PLAY ONLINE AND ENJOY YOURSELF YOU'LL NEVER SUE SONY FOR 1TRILLION DOLLARS AND BE RICH THIS IS SO FUCKING STUPID

Yay for children who have access to technology. Our future is so bright. That was sarcasm. I need to clarify this because you come across as someone who is poorly educated and possibly mentally deficient.

Well come on you gotta see it from all angles. People freaking out about this is a little ridiculous. Are the people that bitch about this the same people that tried to sue over the "install other OS" being taken away? Are they still the same people that bitch about DLC? 
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I might have had something to say about this, but after reading through every page of comments on this article, I'm not so sure I want to get involved. Some seriously angry people up in here.

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@xaLieNxGrEyx said:

IT'S A FUCKING VIDEO GAME CONSOLE PLAY ONLINE AND ENJOY YOURSELF YOU'LL NEVER SUE SONY FOR 1TRILLION DOLLARS AND BE RICH THIS IS SO FUCKING STUPID

Yay for children who have access to technology. Our future is so bright. That was sarcasm. I need to clarify this because you come across as someone who is poorly educated and possibly mentally deficient.

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I appreciate the template. Nice! This is why you get paid the big bucks Patrick.

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@xaLieNxGrEyx said:
IT'S A FUCKING VIDEO GAME CONSOLE PLAY ONLINE AND ENJOY YOURSELF   YOU'LL NEVER SUE SONY FOR 1TRILLION DOLLARS AND BE RICH THIS IS SO FUCKING STUPID
I agree
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@Tarsier said:

@Enigma777 said:

@Tarsier said:

good thing i dont have a sony playstation and never have.

i always knew these guys were crooks.

QQ more

nice job inserting a random meme into a post in a way that has no relevance whatsoever

Thanks.

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@Cyrisaurus said:

I clicked agree, and moved on. You know why? Because I just want to play games online. I don't have any intentions of going out of my way to try and sue some major company.

And you know what? I doubt anyone else does too. I guarantee you that 100% of the people who complain about this have no intentions of suing Sony (and probably don't own a PS3). Some people just like to bitch because they think "Hur I'm an American, you can't take my rights". If Sony issued a new ToS stating that you were not allowed to stab yourself in the eye with a fork, there would be thousands of people raging over the situation acting like Sony is evil, just like this situation.

Newsflash, nobody lost their CC info from the PSN attacks, or suffered any long-term effects. So it would be best for people to move on, and just play some damn video games

That doesn't mean it can't happen in the future. I don't give up my right to sue any company that stores my credit card information, why would I do so for Sony? I won't sue them for nothing but I certainly would like to do so if they made me lose a significant amount of money.

@Patrick Thanks, this is helpful.

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How are we going to send these letters once the USPS shuts down? I'm not sending a shitty little letter through FedEx!

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I'll send a letter, hoping to help overflow the mail department:P

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only the most craven, bought-and-paid-for judges in the land would ever uphold this sinister little trick. which is to say, at least half of them.

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@Tarsier said:

good thing i dont have a sony playstation and never have.

i always knew these guys were crooks.

QQ more

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@Cyrisaurus said:

I clicked agree, and moved on. You know why? Because I just want to play games online. I don't have any intentions of going out of my way to try and sue some major company.

And you know what? I doubt anyone else does too. I guarantee you that 100% of the people who complain about this have no intentions of suing Sony (and probably don't own a PS3). Some people just like to bitch because they think "Hur I'm an American, you can't take my rights". If Sony issued a new ToS stating that you were not allowed to stab yourself in the eye with a fork, there would be thousands of people raging over the situation acting like Sony is evil, just like this situation.

Newsflash, nobody lost their CC info from the PSN attacks, or suffered any long-term effects. So it would be best for people to move on, and just play some damn video games

Other people will debate with whereas I'll just tell you the truth:-

You're a moron and you just did the moral equivalent of stabbing yourself in the eye with a fork.

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IT'S A FUCKING VIDEO GAME CONSOLE PLAY ONLINE AND ENJOY YOURSELF  
 
YOU'LL NEVER SUE SONY FOR 1TRILLION DOLLARS AND BE RICH THIS IS SO FUCKING STUPID
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Really pleased to see this story being covered. Kudos Patrick.

For a deeper look into the issues of arbitration, suing, and other topics concerning one's legal rights in America, I'd highly recommend checking out the documentary entitled "Hot Coffee" on HBO.

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@vinsanityv22: I smell a troll in here.....

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@vinsanityv22 said:

Of course this is Patrick who wrote this. Ugh.

Just sign the damn EULA and not act like a douche. No one wants a repeat of the PSN Blackout sh*t. Sony's completely in their right to do what they want with their product. I'm really sick of this litigious thinking in this country. "I bought it, I can fuck up everyone's experience and sue the company because it's mine!". Ugh.

STFU Patrick. You're not waiving your rights by agreeing to do this so much as agreeing not to sue Sony for anything and to not act like a royal d-bag online; something you shouldn't aspire to be doing anyway unless you're George "I'm the biggest asshole on Earth" Hotz. I'm assuming he's a personal hero of yours, dipshit? C'mon Patrick!

Don't put stupid ideas in people's heads, about having options or whether some lawyer thinks this might not hold up in court. Find SOME GAMES TO WRITE ABOUT, man! Shit - you even whipped up a template? Stop being a bleeding heart hippie about "the business" behind video games, and just start being a good consumer. You only write articles about shit like this!

Yup, just bend over and take it. Corporations love consumers like you.

"I bought it, I can fuck up everyone's experience and sue the company because it's mine!" What does this even mean? Who's saying anything like that? How is protecting yourself in court fucking up people's experiences? You apparently have a weak grasp of what happened, who caused it, and what litigation is.

Guy, you're signing over your right to defend yourself if Sony ever fucks you over. If you're cool with that, fine. Us better educated people are glad Patrick informed us.

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Good article... i just hope i remember to do this next time i turn on my PS3

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Of course this is Patrick who wrote this. Ugh.

Just sign the damn EULA and not act like a douche. No one wants a repeat of the PSN Blackout sh*t. Sony's completely in their right to do what they want with their product. I'm really sick of this litigious thinking in this country. "I bought it, I can fuck up everyone's experience and sue the company because it's mine!". Ugh.

STFU Patrick. You're not waiving your rights by agreeing to do this so much as agreeing not to sue Sony for anything and to not act like a royal d-bag online; something you shouldn't aspire to be doing anyway unless you're George "I'm the biggest asshole on Earth" Hotz. I'm assuming he's a personal hero of yours, dipshit? C'mon Patrick!

Don't put stupid ideas in people's heads, about having options or whether some lawyer thinks this might not hold up in court. Find SOME GAMES TO WRITE ABOUT, man! Shit - you even whipped up a template? Stop being a bleeding heart hippie about "the business" behind video games, and just start being a good consumer. You only write articles about shit like this!

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@Cyrisaurus: I agree with mostly what you say, but if we the people should not let a Giant Corporations take over our rights. WE must stand as one and let them know that this is WRONG! Because once your rights are gone they are very hard to get back.

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Thanks for putting this up, I am going to send my letter out tomorrow morning.

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AT&T did the same thing not too long ago, as did a number of other companies. But yeah, this is only for America.

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We may not have Mortal Kombat here, but at least this shit is kept at bay.

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Sony is messing up again and again. I don't know how yall with a ps3 can put up with it.

And hurray of course America has consumer protection only in name so Sony can just do anything they please as long as you click "accept" on some 15 page unintelligible legal document

ps. Fuck you first post your an idiot

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@DASH said:

I have to just say, Patrick is doing a great job with the news.

Man, no doubt. It wasn't bad before, but Patrick's mix of news and editorial is just what Giant Bomb's news section needed.

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Thank you Sir

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@Doppelgamer: Thanks man, I was just wondering myself.

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@Cyrisaurus: Wait, so you dont want to sue Sony now so you never will in your entire life?

It's a bit more than saying 'Well I'm never going to sue a company', its saying 'This company will never do an injustice towards me that warrants a law suit in my entire lifetime'

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@lordgodalming said:

Why are people making such a stink about this? The EULAs for Valve and iTunes, for example, are way more intrusive than the PSN's. And anyway, if millions of people's credit cards got stolen again, the company would be held responsible again. Simple as that.

And you made us a template? Articles like this are pure fear-mongering. I love GB, but Mr. Klepek brings down the whole site.

Are you telling us that the EULAs for Valve and iTunes hold a similar clause of waiving your rights to use them? Because that's what this is about - not 'intrusiveness' of the EULA.

EULAs and TOS's are however large pieces of legal documents that we take near to no notice of. Who knows, you might have agreed to some EULA that says that they can take your firstborn and put it in to slave labor in a slum factory in India. You'd be pretty livid if they enforced it - no matter the legality of it.

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@atomic_dumpling said:

@Peanut said:

@Vegetable_Side_Dish said:

@lordgodalming said:

Why are people making such a stink about this? The EULAs for Valve and iTunes, for example, are way more intrusive than the PSN's. And anyway, if millions of people's credit cards got stolen again, the company would be held responsible again. Simple as that.

And you made us a template? Articles like this are pure fear-mongering. I love GB, but Mr. Klepek brings down the whole site.

In this case, this.

Agreed. This kind of sensationalist approach to news of this nature feels very Fox News to me.

You pay for this, mind you. Maybe you guys should force the issue more vocally - customer is always right.

No, he is not. He should always feel he is right if you want to sell him something but this claim that the customer is always right is pure BS.

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@Foggen said:

Note also that small-claims filings are exempt. That means you could sue them yourself for 5 grand and win due to them not bothering to show up.

Pretty much this. I always laugh at class action lawsuits, because only the lawyers make money.

Take 'em to small claims, get a few grand, there you go.

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I would get outraged, but I just don't care enough. Unless a company harms me, I really have no impedance to sue them.

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I have to just say, Patrick is doing a great job with the news.

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My wife was part of a class action lawsuit against Lowe's and she got a check for $0.42. The postal service literally made more off of the suit than she did but I am sure the lawyer that filed it now has a new Porsche or something from the lawsuit. Class action lawsuits suck for the people suing.

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@phantomzxro said:

@go_diego_go said:

@phantomzxro: @phantomzxro said:

@wickedsc3 said:

@lordgodalming said:

Why are people making such a stink about this? The EULAs for Valve and iTunes, for example, are way more intrusive than the PSN's. And anyway, if millions of people's credit cards got stolen again, the company would be held responsible again. Simple as that.

And you made us a template? Articles like this are pure fear-mongering. I love GB, but Mr. Klepek brings down the whole site.

How is it fear-mongering exactly? He simply reported on a change of the TOS in reaction to Sony latest breach. Knowing most people just simply agree to those TOS he is doing his job reporting it.

The thing you clearly don't realize is that Sony might be responsible for the money they lost, good luck on making your house payment, car payment, car insurance, cell phone bill, and others when you just lost all of your money in your checking because Sony got hacked again.

I'm sure it would take Sony longer than a month to get everyone's money back so missing those payments would cause your credit to drop. Now how is Sony going to make up for that? They are not going to. That is something you have to settle in court and good luck going up against Sony by yourself (which is what you are agreeing to in this tos) in court with no money, because they just lost it.

i think you anwsered your own question because your statement is textbook fearmongering. How many people were reported who lost money because of the sony hack awhile ago. You can't name any because there were none to my knownage or not alot of people to make a fuss over. Sony offers free ID theft service and this agreement does not stop you from sueing sony for this. This is in place to slow down class action lawsuit for people who like to create them for the fun of it. any suit on sony will still be taken to court and if both parties agree class action lawsuits can still happen. so this does not really change anything, that is why this can be fear mongering because it shocks readers without giving them the full story.

The idea that because Sony provides a service to help you because of a failure of Sony does not mean that Sony has you best interest in thought.

The issue here is that Sony is asking you to give up a legal right on the basis that should a problem arise, Sony would like the upperhand in the suit. Whether or not you as a customer ever exercise the right is none of Sony's business. The belief that because the news of lost consumer money was not all over the news it did not really happen is preposterous. There is really no way to know. So once a customer has had their card taken and credit destroyed, said customer has to spend a considerable amount of time to get their credit back (can take years) as well as try to find out why it happened. And after all this they were able to link it back to Sony, because of this revision the customer no longer has the right to find other like-effected people and join together to hold Sony accountable.

Your answer simply gives up to Sony, it holds the lazy belief that if it is not on the web it didn't happen. You want to be David facing the Giant with nothing but a sling. Fine. I would rather have the option of bringing a team to the fight.

once again you are giving me a story in which you can't prove i'm not saying no one was affect i'm just saying many people are using this as a reason to give sony all this heat when they were not affect or even know anyone who was affect. For the most part Sony has done its job to make good on this and If your ID or card info was taken i don't think you will have a problem with sony helping you on this matter. So you are creating a story that can't be proven yourself. I don't think you will have a problem sueing sony for all the money their worth if an extreme case like that was to happen, and rightfully so. But don't you find it strange that sony has gotten sued more for removing linux then people info being hack from sony. The reason is many people are going overbroad with trying to sue sony for anything. But i'm not here to try and defend sony i think they learned from their mistakes and made good on it. If you feel different that is fine by me, because sure a company looks out for themself but there is a check and balance also because they need customers to make money so they have to take care of their customers if they want money, so most companies are not trying to screw over their customers or at the very least not out in the open. like i said this is only in place to weed out bogus class action lawsuits, if you really have a case i'm sure a judge would be happy to throw this out if they deem it worthy.

Christ the stupidity spewing from your mouth is pathetic......... I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or just really are that stupid.......

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Personally I could stand to see a lot fewer class action lawsuits, considering the don't accomplish much, make lawyers richer, and end up with all entitled parties getting $3.24 or a free hamburger of their choice.

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I still find it cute that everyone is so upset when it was pointed out again and again that this changes jack shit and is in fact implemented in almost every major service you guys use, such as, I dunno, Valve or iTunes - hell, I'm sure that Microsoft has it as well.

But then again, reason doesn't seem to be heard around these parts.

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This pissed me off so much. you know what i did. I got rid of my ps3 and got me a 360 for the family. soon to get a PC for my gaming. that company is a joke.

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@go_diego_go said:

@phantomzxro: @phantomzxro said:

@wickedsc3 said:

@lordgodalming said:

Why are people making such a stink about this? The EULAs for Valve and iTunes, for example, are way more intrusive than the PSN's. And anyway, if millions of people's credit cards got stolen again, the company would be held responsible again. Simple as that.

And you made us a template? Articles like this are pure fear-mongering. I love GB, but Mr. Klepek brings down the whole site.

How is it fear-mongering exactly? He simply reported on a change of the TOS in reaction to Sony latest breach. Knowing most people just simply agree to those TOS he is doing his job reporting it.

The thing you clearly don't realize is that Sony might be responsible for the money they lost, good luck on making your house payment, car payment, car insurance, cell phone bill, and others when you just lost all of your money in your checking because Sony got hacked again.

I'm sure it would take Sony longer than a month to get everyone's money back so missing those payments would cause your credit to drop. Now how is Sony going to make up for that? They are not going to. That is something you have to settle in court and good luck going up against Sony by yourself (which is what you are agreeing to in this tos) in court with no money, because they just lost it.

i think you anwsered your own question because your statement is textbook fearmongering. How many people were reported who lost money because of the sony hack awhile ago. You can't name any because there were none to my knownage or not alot of people to make a fuss over. Sony offers free ID theft service and this agreement does not stop you from sueing sony for this. This is in place to slow down class action lawsuit for people who like to create them for the fun of it. any suit on sony will still be taken to court and if both parties agree class action lawsuits can still happen. so this does not really change anything, that is why this can be fear mongering because it shocks readers without giving them the full story.

The idea that because Sony provides a service to help you because of a failure of Sony does not mean that Sony has you best interest in thought.

The issue here is that Sony is asking you to give up a legal right on the basis that should a problem arise, Sony would like the upperhand in the suit. Whether or not you as a customer ever exercise the right is none of Sony's business. The belief that because the news of lost consumer money was not all over the news it did not really happen is preposterous. There is really no way to know. So once a customer has had their card taken and credit destroyed, said customer has to spend a considerable amount of time to get their credit back (can take years) as well as try to find out why it happened. And after all this they were able to link it back to Sony, because of this revision the customer no longer has the right to find other like-effected people and join together to hold Sony accountable.

Your answer simply gives up to Sony, it holds the lazy belief that if it is not on the web it didn't happen. You want to be David facing the Giant with nothing but a sling. Fine. I would rather have the option of bringing a team to the fight.


once again you are giving me a story in which you can't prove i'm not saying no one was affect i'm just saying many people are using this as a reason to give sony all this heat when they were not affect or even know anyone who was affect.  For the most part Sony has done its job to make good on this and If your ID or card info was taken i don't think you will have a problem with sony helping you on this matter. So you are creating a story that can't be proven yourself. I don't think you will have a problem sueing sony for all the money their worth if an extreme case like that was to happen, and rightfully so. But don't you find it strange that sony has gotten sued more for removing linux then people info being hack from sony.  The reason is many people are going overbroad with trying to sue sony for anything.  
 
But i'm not here to try and defend sony i think they learned from their mistakes and made good on it. If you feel different that is fine by me, because sure a company looks out for themself but there is a check and balance also because they need customers to make money so they have to take care of their customers if they want money, so most companies are not trying to screw over their customers or at the very least not out in the open. like i said this is only in place to weed out bogus class action lawsuits, if you really have a case i'm sure a judge would be happy to throw this out if they deem it worthy.
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@Bats said:

*snip*

Completely agree with you. I don't intend to sue Sony, but if they have another data leak you can bet your ass I'm hopping on that bandwagon of people filing a class action lawsuit. I don't intend to get anything for it if it does happen, but I intend to help in making Sony pay out the ass. The amazing thing to me is how stupid Sony thinks most of their customers are to keep trying to do this shit.

If I ever do update my PS3 again, I'll be sure to mail the letter.

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This is nothing new. There has been significant legislation in the past decade to curtail class-action lawsuits. While Class Action suits usually only really benefit the lawyers (they get a huge amount of the settlement as well as any unclaimed awards after a certain grace period), they are important in slapping the wrist of companies, when necessary. And not just as consumers, but as employees in some cases.
 
The result, I suppose, would be that we'll just see a lot more individual law suits. Let's see a corporation deal with 15,000 individual suits instead of one huge one.
 
Also, the arbitration thing is common. Employers and companies you do business with have increasingly included clauses that state you waive your right to sue and instead must seek arbitration. Guess who does the arbitration? A third party. That the company you're complaining about pays. It is in their best interest to side on behalf of the corporations, to continue their client-base.
 
And, of course, just because a company says you waive the right to something doesn't mean you do. Companies make stupid claims all the time and the only effect is that they stop ignorant people from following through on anything, because they say "well, gosh, XYZ Inc. said I waived that right by stepping foot onto their property".

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We'll probably see more companies (not just in gaming) begin using language just like this after the last round of SCOTUS rulings. Expect more binding arbitration and anti-class action provisions. This consumer remedy will go the way of equal time laws I suppose.

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@phantomzxro said:

@wickedsc3 said:

@lordgodalming said:

Why are people making such a stink about this? The EULAs for Valve and iTunes, for example, are way more intrusive than the PSN's. And anyway, if millions of people's credit cards got stolen again, the company would be held responsible again. Simple as that.

And you made us a template? Articles like this are pure fear-mongering. I love GB, but Mr. Klepek brings down the whole site.

How is it fear-mongering exactly? He simply reported on a change of the TOS in reaction to Sony latest breach. Knowing most people just simply agree to those TOS he is doing his job reporting it.

The thing you clearly don't realize is that Sony might be responsible for the money they lost, good luck on making your house payment, car payment, car insurance, cell phone bill, and others when you just lost all of your money in your checking because Sony got hacked again.

I'm sure it would take Sony longer than a month to get everyone's money back so missing those payments would cause your credit to drop. Now how is Sony going to make up for that? They are not going to. That is something you have to settle in court and good luck going up against Sony by yourself (which is what you are agreeing to in this tos) in court with no money, because they just lost it.

i think you anwsered your own question because your statement is textbook fearmongering. How many people were reported who lost money because of the sony hack awhile ago. You can't name any because there were none to my knownage or not alot of people to make a fuss over. Sony offers free ID theft service and this agreement does not stop you from sueing sony for this. This is in place to slow down class action lawsuit for people who like to create them for the fun of it. any suit on sony will still be taken to court and if both parties agree class action lawsuits can still happen. so this does not really change anything, that is why this can be fear mongering because it shocks readers without giving them the full story.

Not fear mongering he gave them the whole story. Sony changed there TOS, its not his job to educate people on the laws.

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Yeah, waving your right to sue is of question, but that doesn't bother nearly as much as the fact that PSN was down and we were unable to play games online in the first place. They didn't exactly handle that situation with a gold standard.

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This is part where you sell your PlayStation and buy that Gamecube you've always wanted.

Also...

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@habster3 said:

Who cares? Suing Sony would be retarded anyway. I mean, what could we possibly sue for? Video games making us unable to function in the outside world? Losing eyesight due to standing in front of the TV? Yeah, those issues are our faults, not theirs. Then again, knowing the American people I live around, of course having the right to sue everyone and everything for the most trivial reasons is absolutely necessary :P

We could sue if next time they get hacked and our money actually does get stolen, we will not be able to make our payments of things like house payment, insurance, car payment, ect... Causing us to have bad credit.

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Lawsuits have there place. It's not like companies ever don't harm or put in harms way their consumers . . . some believe a sucker is borne every minute. So don't play that a company won't. Now, there may be too many lawsuits. Fine, I kind of agree, but really don't waive your rights to your rights whether you'll exercise them or not, especially if pointed out to you beforehand. You may one day click okay on the line where they can enter your home with no due course through the courts or the presence of the law . . . a raid of sorts.

As for class action, yeah, you could waive being a part of a class action lawsuit, but can Sony waive users from banding together to work on an individual's case, supplying material support and testimony as per say a consumer guild? It aint a class action Sony just classy people :)