Star Wars: The Old Republic Will Actually Ship This Year

@Frostwolf said:

@lizzard2 said:

Or you can wait 6 months after release for the free to play version,since yet another mmo thinks they can charge money and people ofcourse will not pay.

Just because you and your vocal douchbaggery-kind are too cheap/stupid to pay for content on a subscription basis instead of a microtransaction based doesnt mean that there arent MILLIONS of people who are willing to do so.

So just because Me and millions more dont like montly subscriptions we are stupid? wow i think it's time for you to go flip some more burgers.

@Meowshi said:

@Benny said:

Too bad for them that they started making this when WOW was at its peak, only to have interest in WOW begin to wane since cataclysm was released.

Quality aside, when guild wars is released; the subscription based model will be completely irrelevant to new games post-WOW, if it isn't already.

With a monthly fee, a developer can churn out patch content at any rate they like and still get money regardless, whereas with guild wars, the onus is on arenanet to get high-quality content out as fast as possible so people can pay them for it. In my opinion, a much better model.

Interest in WoW is dying because the game has been out for years, not because people are tired of the style of gameplay. They just want that style in a shiny new wrapper. What the mass market wants is basically WoW in a brand new setting. That's essentially what this game is offering.

You're insane if you don't think it will be successful.

GW2 is innovative and will most likely be a more engaging game, but it won't sell anywhere near as much as The Old Republic. Quality does not equal sales.

Is that why Rift did so well? It was Wow in a shiny new rapper.

Fuck all these haters. Seeing the Giantbomb crew playing The Old Republic will be great entertainment!!

@Edwardryu said:

actually, I don't understand MMO why I have to pay even more after buying. subscription? my ass. once you paid for it, you don't need to pay more if it is not DLC. that's why I never play this kind of bullshit including WOW, possibly Diablo 3 or whatever. what a stupid people are! they don't even realize that they pay even more and more. one time you buy. that's all. don't want to waste my damn money for nothing.

You pay for MMOs because they are constantly adding content and you hog up bandwidth resources on their servers. MMOs are a persistent world with thousands of players, and that requires a lot of upkeep. At least that's the argument that's always used.

I'm not sure how true it is.

@GUTBOMB said:

@blueduck said:

Haha the Star Wars license has become the symbol of mediocre since the prequels.

This is certainly true unfortunately, with a few minor exceptions.

I am a hardcore Star Wars fan, but even I realize that George Lucas does not care about the "universe" he created as much as we do, which is understandable and happens all the time. I'm sure he did at one time, but with the passage of said time, these things simply become more of a business property and less a creative property or labor of love. He has done what he set out to do, and is enjoying the success, I get that.

I would believe that if he had stopped adding in stupid new things to the movies. I really believe the man is just out of touch, Darth Vader NOOOOOOOOOO anyone?

I wonder if EA's also going bankrupt this year...

Yeeeaaahhh... good luck with that.

And Jeff, that caption is magnificent.

@Meowshisaid:

What the mass market wants is basically WoW in a brand new setting.

I don't think that's what the market wants, at all. Why do you think this, if I may ask?

WoW is basically delivering exactly that in every expansion. I don't think that dipping WoW in a space theme will do much in terms of gathering interest from people who are already invested in a game like that.

I'm sure it'll be very successful on day one, but I can already hear the servers merging in the distance.

@fishless said:

"I'd like to do a series of regular videos that involve us playing the game for a somewhat extended period of time, sort of like we did for Star Trek Online."

THAT would be awesome!

I concur. I'm not even interested in playing this game (all I want is a KOTOR III, goddammit) but I would definitely want to see that.

Have plonked down the money for Collectors Edition.

I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after that raid video a few weeks/months ago, I can't see any reason to play this game. But hey, if people are willing to waste their money on it then I say more power to them.

When I first saw the date I just laughed. There's just so much wrong about it :P I hate to speculate too much, but whatever reasons they had for picking that date there's bound to be some crazy marketing strategy behind it. Are they trying to force people into pre-ordering instead of buying it ? What kind of effect are they hoping the holidays will have on their launch ? There's something really strange going on here.

@viiral said:

Have plonked down the money for Collectors Edition.

Me too. I pre-ordered a couple months ago, so it's nice to finally have a release date!

@blueduck said:

@Meowshi said:

@Benny said:

Too bad for them that they started making this when WOW was at its peak, only to have interest in WOW begin to wane since cataclysm was released.

Quality aside, when guild wars is released; the subscription based model will be completely irrelevant to new games post-WOW, if it isn't already.

With a monthly fee, a developer can churn out patch content at any rate they like and still get money regardless, whereas with guild wars, the onus is on arenanet to get high-quality content out as fast as possible so people can pay them for it. In my opinion, a much better model.

Interest in WoW is dying because the game has been out for years, not because people are tired of the style of gameplay. They just want that style in a shiny new wrapper. What the mass market wants is basically WoW in a brand new setting. That's essentially what this game is offering.

You're insane if you don't think it will be successful.

GW2 is innovative and will most likely be a more engaging game, but it won't sell anywhere near as much as The Old Republic. Quality does not equal sales.

Is that why Rift did so well? It was Wow in a shiny new rapper.

Uhh, Rift is doing well.

@BabyChooChoo said:

I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after that raid video a few weeks/months ago, I can't see any reason to play this game. But hey, if people are willing to waste their money on it then I say more power to them.

"I watched a video and didn't like it, so everybody who buys it is wasting their money!!"

@CL60 said:

@blueduck said:

@Meowshi said:

@Benny said:

Too bad for them that they started making this when WOW was at its peak, only to have interest in WOW begin to wane since cataclysm was released.

Quality aside, when guild wars is released; the subscription based model will be completely irrelevant to new games post-WOW, if it isn't already.

With a monthly fee, a developer can churn out patch content at any rate they like and still get money regardless, whereas with guild wars, the onus is on arenanet to get high-quality content out as fast as possible so people can pay them for it. In my opinion, a much better model.

Interest in WoW is dying because the game has been out for years, not because people are tired of the style of gameplay. They just want that style in a shiny new wrapper. What the mass market wants is basically WoW in a brand new setting. That's essentially what this game is offering.

You're insane if you don't think it will be successful.

GW2 is innovative and will most likely be a more engaging game, but it won't sell anywhere near as much as The Old Republic. Quality does not equal sales.

Is that why Rift did so well? It was Wow in a shiny new rapper.

Uhh, Rift is doing well.

Yeah for its budget its doing well but if you took the amount they spent to make TOR it wouldn't be looking so hot right now.

I'm touching myself right now, and I'm not afraid to admit it.

@blueduck said:

@CL60 said:

@blueduck said:

@Meowshi said:

@Benny said:

Too bad for them that they started making this when WOW was at its peak, only to have interest in WOW begin to wane since cataclysm was released.

Quality aside, when guild wars is released; the subscription based model will be completely irrelevant to new games post-WOW, if it isn't already.

With a monthly fee, a developer can churn out patch content at any rate they like and still get money regardless, whereas with guild wars, the onus is on arenanet to get high-quality content out as fast as possible so people can pay them for it. In my opinion, a much better model.

Interest in WoW is dying because the game has been out for years, not because people are tired of the style of gameplay. They just want that style in a shiny new wrapper. What the mass market wants is basically WoW in a brand new setting. That's essentially what this game is offering.

You're insane if you don't think it will be successful.

GW2 is innovative and will most likely be a more engaging game, but it won't sell anywhere near as much as The Old Republic. Quality does not equal sales.

Is that why Rift did so well? It was Wow in a shiny new rapper.

Uhh, Rift is doing well.

Yeah for its budget its doing well but if you took the amount they spent to make TOR it wouldn't be looking so hot right now.

EA has stated they need 500k subs to do good enough, Rift was Trions first game, and it sold around 1.2 million and has a very solid playerbase and is growing. A bioware starwars game with the knights of the old republic name will do just fine..most of the MMO playerbase wants MMOs that play similarly to WoW.

I like others will wait for the F2P, the game isn't going to be as big as a lot of people are hoping, with guild wars 2 and diablo 3 coming plus WOW still being the gigantic monster it is SW cannot compete with a subscription, they may milk a year out of it but it won't last, it can't last. This isn't 99-04, mmo's aren't as big as they used to be and WOW was and is the last mmo to ever be on that level.

F2P is going to be the new way of MMOs, sure they will release the mmos with a $10-15 subscription but by year 2 they will all go F2P because with the competition out there, the "free" mmos they can't compete.

And to people saying WOW is passed it's peak, get real, they still have over 11 million subscribers, something this game will never have after year 1 with a subscription.

Would be insanely excited if this game wasn't an MMO.

I find the lack of faith in this thread disturbing.

@CL60 said:

@BabyChooChoo said:

I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but after that raid video a few weeks/months ago, I can't see any reason to play this game. But hey, if people are willing to waste their money on it then I say more power to them.

"I watched a video and didn't like it, so everybody who buys it is wasting their money!!"

You're right. I could've just said that instead. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind....geez

It's going to be interesting seeing how this game will turn out. I'm saying it goes F2P in 18 months personally, but we'll have to find out when it actually gets released, won't we?

ANAKIN IS A HAM DOCTOR AMIRITE?

That thing's operational!

I play a lot of WoW and really enjoy it, but I also love Star Wars, especially KotOR. I've already got the Collector's Edition pre-ordered, butI don't see myself unsubbing from WoW any time soon.

I'm willing to commit some time into SWTOR for sure ...if it turns out to be alright.

I had a feelin' that it would make it this year. Still, while I am eager to see it, I probably won't get it until March or so of 2012. If it's still going strong then, I'll check it out.

On a separate note, I am a little disappointed in the fanboyism that appears to be on the rise from Guild Wars 2 proponents. I don't think there is much reason to ridicule this game and call it a failure before it hits store shelves. I'd like to see both games (plus others) succeed.

I still don't know about this game if it wasn't an MMO I would definitely buy it but since it is one I'm going to wait till giant bomb does some coverage and a review on it to see if its worth me sinking a lot of time into it. The only MMO I've played was City of Villains and I played the shit out of it I did play WOW for a week and got bored hopefully this game is worth it because there are a lot of games coming out late in the year that I'm interested in.

Disappointed how Australia would miss the launch of The Old Republic. It'll probably be months before we get our hands on the game.

@akiz_jack said:

Disappointed how Australia would miss the launch of The Old Republic. It'll probably be months before we get our hands on the game.

You could import a copy, it's not IP locked.

Can't wait to see this bomb.

@CharlesSurge said:

Can't wait to see this bomb.

Giant Bomb?

@PenguinDust said:

On a separate note, I am a little disappointed in the fanboyism that appears to be on the rise from Guild Wars 2 proponents. I don't think there is much reason to ridicule this game and call it a failure before it hits store shelves. I'd like to see both games (plus others) succeed.

This community has been doing this in literally every topic made about this game for a while now.

@SpartanAmbrose said:

I find the lack of faith in this thread disturbing.

Don't get cocky kid

I really enjoyed my time with SWTOR. It's a great game. Totally looking forward to getting back into that universe and playing more of the story. There is so much content it's crazy. It's definitely a familiar feeling MMO but there is much more emphasis on story which keeps me coming back.

You get story scenes in this game all the time where in other MMOs you'd have to play like a 100 hours to just get a little bit. And that little bit would be a wall of text. I don't hate reading but it takes me out of the game.

I find, SWTOR really does feel like a Knights of the Old Republic game too. I can understand why fans would be put off by it being a MMO but I think it really is a true sequel. Except the controls feel quite a bit better. You see the Star Wars universe through a bunch of different perspectives and they all have entertaining stories. So pumped for early access. The full voice over is great and the Star Wars universe certainly doesn't hurt.

Also, getting your own ship awwwesome. Being able to fly to any planet you want or get into giant starship battles is pretty awesome. Having companions who have a voice and talk about the environment you're in or voice their opinion during a conversation is awesome. There is also lots of other awesome stuff but I'm too lazy to type it. Man, I just really like this game. Can't wait.

@GUTBOMB said:

@SpartanAmbrose said:

I find the lack of faith in this thread disturbing.

Don't get cocky kid

Touche.

Stop trying to make a WoW killer. It's so obvious people play WoW because of how fantasy everything is in that game.

Maybe I'll try it out when it goes F2P ;)

I don't see myself getting this unless it goes F2P at some point. Not paying subscription fees for MMO's anymore.

I was on an early beta test, and to be honest my excitement fizzled out there. There is nothing innovative about this game, it's essentially Wow with a star wars theme. It's not a bad game, not in the least, but it's not what I was hoping for.

This just in: You don't have to usurp WoW's subscriber levels to be successful. More at 9.

I think I might have to leave Afghan early for this...maybe. Just maybe.

I'm very happy about this. Shame I'm working full time now and only get Christmas day off.

@Mentalnova said:

Stop trying to make a WoW killer. It's so obvious people play WoW because of how fantasy everything is in that game.

Wrong

I wish I had a better PC.

@CL60 said:

@blueduck said:

@CL60 said:

@blueduck said:

@Meowshi said:

@Benny said:

Too bad for them that they started making this when WOW was at its peak, only to have interest in WOW begin to wane since cataclysm was released.

Quality aside, when guild wars is released; the subscription based model will be completely irrelevant to new games post-WOW, if it isn't already.

With a monthly fee, a developer can churn out patch content at any rate they like and still get money regardless, whereas with guild wars, the onus is on arenanet to get high-quality content out as fast as possible so people can pay them for it. In my opinion, a much better model.

Interest in WoW is dying because the game has been out for years, not because people are tired of the style of gameplay. They just want that style in a shiny new wrapper. What the mass market wants is basically WoW in a brand new setting. That's essentially what this game is offering.

You're insane if you don't think it will be successful.

GW2 is innovative and will most likely be a more engaging game, but it won't sell anywhere near as much as The Old Republic. Quality does not equal sales.

Is that why Rift did so well? It was Wow in a shiny new rapper.

Uhh, Rift is doing well.

Yeah for its budget its doing well but if you took the amount they spent to make TOR it wouldn't be looking so hot right now.

EA has stated they need 500k subs to do good enough, Rift was Trions first game, and it sold around 1.2 million and has a very solid playerbase and is growing. A bioware starwars game with the knights of the old republic name will do just fine..most of the MMO playerbase wants MMOs that play similarly to WoW.

"good enough" won't be enough, I hope the game is great I really do because I want to play it and enjoy it. But from the video they showed (I know, I know, it's not much) this game looks awful. It'll do very well at launch but I promise it will drop off or go f2p after a year. But who knows, to each hsi own.

Cool. Still have zero interest in it. When it goes F2P, then it might be a bit more enticing.

I dont like f2p games, if i dont spend a fortune in it i feel like i am missing out.

Finally.

Wow they really pushed that to the last minute. I still don't know what to think of this game but I still have enough faith in Bioware to at least give it a try.

Extremly excited to hear this.