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The Long Wait for Max Payne Is Almost Over

We glean some answers from lead gameplay designer Sergei Kuprejanov a few weeks before Max Payne 3 finally hits shelves.

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Max Payne 3 is a Rockstar Games production, which means it was originally supposed to be released a long time ago, and it's still not out. First, late 2009. Then, 2010. Later, 2011. Finally, March 2012. Wait, no, May 2012.

It now seems like the return of Max Payne is just a few weeks away, but with Rockstar Games, you never know. Unless there’s an unexpected twist, Max Payne 3 will arrive on store shelves on May 15.

“Max Payne 3 required us to apply the same kind of focus and attention to detail that we’d use on an open world to the design challenges of more linear, more precise action-shooter,” said lead gameplay designer Sergei Kuprejanov recently over email. “Everything has to withstand scrutiny in real time and Bullet Time.”

Max Payne 3 is largely set in Brazil, but not entirely. The game opens in New York.
Max Payne 3 is largely set in Brazil, but not entirely. The game opens in New York.

The world assumed Max Payne was over when Remedy Entertainment moved onto Alan Wake. Max Payne 2 was a sales disappointment for parent company Take-Two Interactive, but as early as 2004, it promised another game. Max Payne 3 was formally announced in March 2009, where it was revealed that Rockstar Vancouver, the studio behind the excellent Bully, would make it.

A few months later, Max Payne 3 showed up on the cover of Game Informer. Max’s new, beard-laden, wife beater-enhanced look was revealed, and fans weren’t universally happy with the new direction. It was clear Rockstar Vancouver was putting their stamp on the series, but it wasn’t necessarily a stamp series fans wanted.

Rockstar had experience taking over an existing series before. Red Dead Redemption was technically the follow-up to Red Dead Revolver, remember? The difference here, however, was that people really cared about Max Payne.

Kuprejanov told me the reaction didn’t prompt Rockstar to alter the direction of Max Payne 3. It was patient.

“To be honest, we didn't change anything design wise,” he said. “Our plans were already pretty tight and we knew that we would give people plenty of what they were asking for. We did, however, hurry up our contract discussions with James McCaffrey, as that wasn't quite finalized at that point, which is why we kept that under wraps.”

McCaffrey was the original voice of Max, and remains the voice of Max in the new game. His involvement was a question mark when the Game Informer story ran, causing fans to question Rockstar's commitment to the past.

One positive sign about the game is the former creatives steering Max have given the thumbs up. Rockstar started showing Remedy builds of Max Payne 3 in 2011, and Kuprejanov described the relationship as one in which Remedy provides feedback to “ensure we got the right overall tone.” Rockstar "didn't want to disturb" Remedy while Alan Wake finished up, and looped them in when that project was complete.

It's not like Remedy's support is a tepid endorsement, either.

"It’s [Max Payne 3] f***ing brilliant," said Remedy CEO Matias Myllyrinne in an interview with GamesIndustry.biz. "I’ve had a chance to play it and we’ve worked with Rockstar a little bit--obviously, they’re doing the heavy lifting. They’re doing the development. But they wanted our input on a couple of occasions and we’ve had loads of our people, our core group, who worked on the first two games, give input and it’s awesome."

A running theme behind Kuprejanov’s answers was a desire to maintain secrecy to protect the player experience, even when it seemed like my questions weren’t particularly prying. There's a general sense that much of Max Payne 3 is being purposely kept from us, and it's a refreshing feeling. It's hard to predict what will happen when it boots up.

When I asked, for example, about balancing the fourth wall-breaking tone of the previous games:

“It’s hard to convey every aspect of the game pre-launch without ruining parts of it that we’d rather leave for players to discover,” he said. “Max has always been a wry character, struggling to gain some kind of self-awareness, and that hasn’t changed at all. In terms of tone, we wanted something that worked well with modern body and facial animation and still felt very much like Max Payne. I think when you first hear McCaffrey start speaking in one of the early scene-setting monologues, you know you're back in Max's painful psyche.”

It's unclear how far Rockstar will to walk down that road, but I'm guessing no dream scenes with babies crying.

Perhaps the most important question is this next one: will Address Unknown be back? Address Unknown was a fake TV show set in "New Noir City" that players came across in Max Payne 2. Kuprejanov was coy in a very good way.

“We’re going to let fans discover the answer when they play the game for themselves,” he said.

Good enough for me.

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Only thing I know about this game is that HEALTH are doing the music, and that's awesome.

Otherwise, no real opinions one way or a mother.

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isnt it Noir York City?

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@Psychohead said:

Content Unknown.

My anticipation now boils like the blood from a dead raccoon seeping onto the the endless ebony expanse of an Arizona freeway under a blazing summer sun that burns hotter than the Hell that is my shattered, empty life.

You should write books.

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I read somewhere that the Steam download for this game is going to be 35GB... 35GB!!! I seriously think that's pushing it for the majority of people in the USA whose internet is nowhere near as good as those in Asia/Europe. Not to mention those unfortunate enough to have data caps. I have no complaints with my internet service, but I think this will be a PC disc purchase for me.

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I've never played the first two games but I'm so excited for this. It looks so awesome.

That trailer. THAT TRAILER. HEALTH. FUCKYEEEEEEAH.

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I very much doubt it will top Max Payne 2 which I consider a masterpiece, but I'll still be pretty good I'm sure.

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im extremely excited for this game. pre ordered the CE a while back. thats all.

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I'm so excited, I just can't fight it.

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May 15? Ill be in the deep burning hells by them.

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35GB does seem a little large for a game download. More companies should start going the Skyrim or Dragon Age 2 route and offer the higher quality assets as a separate download, so they can keep the base game at a more manageable size than 35 gigs. When I buy this, it'll have to be at the first of a month so I can make sure not to go over my goddamn data cap.

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@OneAndOnlyBigE said:

Does anyone have a recommendation for a quick and easy way to catch up on the series? Max Payne 3 will be my first Max Payne game.

Watch the comic reels. They are available online for your watching pleasure.

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35Gb steam install is going to kill my bandwidth.

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I love Rockstar.

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@ThePhilatron said:
I really cared about Red Dead Revolver... I cant be the only one? Right? Right?!
I'm still waiting for a real sequel, man. Redemption is cool, but c'mon! Red Dead Revolver was the game i finished the most. More than 50 times.
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@MrKlorox said:
35GB does seem a little large for a game download. More companies should start going the Skyrim or Dragon Age 2 route and offer the higher quality assets as a separate download, so they can keep the base game at a more manageable size than 35 gigs. When I buy this, it'll have to be at the first of a month so I can make sure not to go over my goddamn data cap.
Amazon.com dude.
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@AhmadMetallic said:
@MrKlorox said:
35GB does seem a little large for a game download. More companies should start going the Skyrim or Dragon Age 2 route and offer the higher quality assets as a separate download, so they can keep the base game at a more manageable size than 35 gigs. When I buy this, it'll have to be at the first of a month so I can make sure not to go over my goddamn data cap.
Amazon.com dude.
Meaning?
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Game looks good.

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@MrKlorox said:
@AhmadMetallic said:
@MrKlorox said:
35GB does seem a little large for a game download. More companies should start going the Skyrim or Dragon Age 2 route and offer the higher quality assets as a separate download, so they can keep the base game at a more manageable size than 35 gigs. When I buy this, it'll have to be at the first of a month so I can make sure not to go over my goddamn data cap.
Amazon.com dude.
Meaning?
Buy it from amazon, you won't have to worry about downloading 35 GB, you'll have the disc with the game on it and a box with Max's face to put on your desk.
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@AhmadMetallic said:
@MrKlorox said:
@AhmadMetallic said:
@MrKlorox said:
35GB does seem a little large for a game download. More companies should start going the Skyrim or Dragon Age 2 route and offer the higher quality assets as a separate download, so they can keep the base game at a more manageable size than 35 gigs. When I buy this, it'll have to be at the first of a month so I can make sure not to go over my goddamn data cap.
Amazon.com dude.
Meaning?
Buy it from amazon, you won't have to worry about downloading 35 GB, you'll have the disc with the game on it and a box with Max's face to put on your desk.
Oh physical copies? I'm done with those regarding PC games if at all possible. Unless it's a Steamworks game (and it doesn't seem to be) then I'm not gonna mess with a box.
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@MrKlorox said:
 I'm done with those regarding PC games if at all possible.
I would assume that is because you want convenience but..  

@MrKlorox  said: 
When I buy this, it'll have to be at the first of a month so I can make sure not to go over my goddamn data cap.
Doesn't sound very convenient to me!
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I feel positive that R* is going to deliver, as always.

I still remember all the freakouts about Bald Max lol. We're gonna need so much crow when this ends up being great.

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Game looks great , why does it have to come out the same day as Diablo 3 :( I will pick it up on launch to support Rockstar ,but It will get shelved until I get my D3 Fix .

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I think I need to go play Max Payne 2 again now.

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When I asked, for example, about balancing the fourth wall-breaking tone of the previous games:

“It’s hard to convey every aspect of the game pre-launch without ruining parts of it that we’d rather leave for players to discover,” he said. “Max has always been a wry character, struggling to gain some kind of self-awareness, and that hasn’t changed at all. In terms of tone, we wanted something that worked well with modern body and facial animation and still felt very much like Max Payne. I think when you first hear McCaffrey start speaking in one of the early scene-setting monologues, you know you're back in Max's painful psyche.”

HYPE!

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@AhmadMetallic said:
@MrKlorox said:
 I'm done with those regarding PC games if at all possible.
I would assume that is because you want convenience but..  

@MrKlorox  said: 
When I buy this, it'll have to be at the first of a month so I can make sure not to go over my goddamn data cap.
Doesn't sound very convenient to me!
It's obviously not going to be that way forever. A disc is a far greater inconvenience to keep up with over the years than it would be to wait 15 days to make sure I don't get overages the first time I download it.
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Man, I am really interested in this game but I'm only 21 hrs into Skyrim, and if the beta is any indication, I'll be playing lots of Diablo III. Perhaps a bit later in the year...

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I'm torn(as usual) of getting the physical disc or Steam. I enjoy the niceties of both. May rest on the box art. I have both Max Payne 1 and 2 on disc and on steam. hmmmmmmmmm. Maybe a path is being shown to me, if I live for x amount of years more, and Steam sales continue to be Navarro thing.

See if Amazon is offering anything with it also, but they arn't doing that as much.

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I can't figure out why Rockstar didn't give the two previous games a re-release, both in HD on consoles and REAL widescreen support for PCs. I would pay for that, seriously. I've given up trying to coax 1920x1080 out of Max Payne 2, and it's breaking my heart.

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@Fjordson said:

I feel positive that R* is going to deliver, as always.

I still remember all the freakouts about Bald Max lol. We're gonna need so much crow when this ends up being great.

Yep in the way RDR did I'm guessing. And agreed, the bald disheveled look with the paunch is totally golden.

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Initially I was like "Yeah I liked Max Payne 1 and 2. I'll props pick this up eventually" Then I went back and played them again and instantly per-ordered. I am stoked.

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@MrKlorox said:

@AhmadMetallic said:
@MrKlorox said:
I'm done with those regarding PC games if at all possible.
I would assume that is because you want convenience but..

@MrKlorox said:
When I buy this, it'll have to be at the first of a month so I can make sure not to go over my goddamn data cap.
Doesn't sound very convenient to me!
It's obviously not going to be that way forever. A disc is a far greater inconvenience to keep up with over the years than it would be to wait 15 days to make sure I don't get overages the first time I download it.

Are you downloading from a hotspot on a limited data plan or...?

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New Noir City? Or was it Noir York City?

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A bit skeptical, but as nothing else is coming out I want to play I will probably pick it up.

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I, like many, loved the Max Payne games, but I don't know if I need to buy this one. I'll definitely play it, but I could see renting it and blazing through the single player. The online side has never caught my eye, but I guess I should wait for a review.

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Sweet. gonna get my MAX PAYNE stache and jacket ready!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myYs1zAyAhs

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@Napalm said:

@MrKlorox said:

It's obviously not going to be that way forever. A disc is a far greater inconvenience to keep up with over the years than it would be to wait 15 days to make sure I don't get overages the first time I download it.

Are you downloading from a hotspot on a limited data plan or...?

No, I just have a really shitty ISP and I stream videos all the time from the internet (no TV). The cap resets at the beginning of every month, so that would be the time to get on it; instead of risking going over if I download it at the middle or end of the month after having 'spent' too many gigs.
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Right now, I'm not expecting much from Max Payne 3. I loved the second game to bits and wasn't fan of the way MP3 looked in the trailers and whatnot. But, I really hope it turns out good. Would love nothing more than to play through another great Max Payne game. Hope to see a QL sooner than later.

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@sear said:

Couldn't care less about this game at the moment. Different developer, different tone, different aesthetic, different gameplay... yeah, it says Max Payne on the box but I'll really have to see it to believe it. As of now all I can take away from the game is "generic third-person shooter with slow-motion gimmick." Big deal. All the technical aspects Rockstar have been pushing don't really matter if the game itself is soulless.

Not to mention, being developed primarily for consoles is definitely going to compromise the gunplay (sorry, shooters on consoles simply follow completely different design conventions, you just can't do a fast-paced reflex-, precision-driven game in the same mold without making compromises). Yeah, gameplay looks similar in trailers, but it's things like level design, enemy AI and aggressiveness, how big Max's health bar is, and so on that will really determine how it plays, not the camera perspective.

Beyond that, Max Payne, despite having good action, was much more about the subtle things - the dark humour, the interplay between characters, the parody-noir writing that was way more tongue-in-cheek than most people admitted at the time - and I don't trust a developer like Rockstar to deliver the same quirkiness and attention to detail.

thats a pretty long post for someone that doesn't care.

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@Bell_End said:

@sear said:

Couldn't care less about this game at the moment. Different developer, different tone, different aesthetic, different gameplay... yeah, it says Max Payne on the box but I'll really have to see it to believe it. As of now all I can take away from the game is "generic third-person shooter with slow-motion gimmick." Big deal. All the technical aspects Rockstar have been pushing don't really matter if the game itself is soulless.

Not to mention, being developed primarily for consoles is definitely going to compromise the gunplay (sorry, shooters on consoles simply follow completely different design conventions, you just can't do a fast-paced reflex-, precision-driven game in the same mold without making compromises). Yeah, gameplay looks similar in trailers, but it's things like level design, enemy AI and aggressiveness, how big Max's health bar is, and so on that will really determine how it plays, not the camera perspective.

Beyond that, Max Payne, despite having good action, was much more about the subtle things - the dark humour, the interplay between characters, the parody-noir writing that was way more tongue-in-cheek than most people admitted at the time - and I don't trust a developer like Rockstar to deliver the same quirkiness and attention to detail.

thats a pretty long post for someone that doesn't care.

Have some respect for a long time fan. He's making very good points, if you'd played Max Payne before you'd have something thoughtful to say.
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I believe in Rockstar.

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@AhmadMetallic said:

@Bell_End said:

@sear said:

Couldn't care less about this game at the moment. Different developer, different tone, different aesthetic, different gameplay... yeah, it says Max Payne on the box but I'll really have to see it to believe it. As of now all I can take away from the game is "generic third-person shooter with slow-motion gimmick." Big deal. All the technical aspects Rockstar have been pushing don't really matter if the game itself is soulless.

Not to mention, being developed primarily for consoles is definitely going to compromise the gunplay (sorry, shooters on consoles simply follow completely different design conventions, you just can't do a fast-paced reflex-, precision-driven game in the same mold without making compromises). Yeah, gameplay looks similar in trailers, but it's things like level design, enemy AI and aggressiveness, how big Max's health bar is, and so on that will really determine how it plays, not the camera perspective.

Beyond that, Max Payne, despite having good action, was much more about the subtle things - the dark humour, the interplay between characters, the parody-noir writing that was way more tongue-in-cheek than most people admitted at the time - and I don't trust a developer like Rockstar to deliver the same quirkiness and attention to detail.

thats a pretty long post for someone that doesn't care.

Have some respect for a long time fan. He's making very good points, if you'd played Max Payne before you'd have something thoughtful to say.

and what makes you think i hav'nt played MP and MP2 before. i bought both the day they came out and played and enjoyed the fuck out of them. just becasue im not mr cynical trousers doesn't mean i never played them. i think MP3 looks great.

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@Bell_End said:

@AhmadMetallic said:

@Bell_End said:

@sear said:

Couldn't care less about this game at the moment. Different developer, different tone, different aesthetic, different gameplay... yeah, it says Max Payne on the box but I'll really have to see it to believe it. As of now all I can take away from the game is "generic third-person shooter with slow-motion gimmick." Big deal. All the technical aspects Rockstar have been pushing don't really matter if the game itself is soulless.

Not to mention, being developed primarily for consoles is definitely going to compromise the gunplay (sorry, shooters on consoles simply follow completely different design conventions, you just can't do a fast-paced reflex-, precision-driven game in the same mold without making compromises). Yeah, gameplay looks similar in trailers, but it's things like level design, enemy AI and aggressiveness, how big Max's health bar is, and so on that will really determine how it plays, not the camera perspective.

Beyond that, Max Payne, despite having good action, was much more about the subtle things - the dark humour, the interplay between characters, the parody-noir writing that was way more tongue-in-cheek than most people admitted at the time - and I don't trust a developer like Rockstar to deliver the same quirkiness and attention to detail.

thats a pretty long post for someone that doesn't care.

Have some respect for a long time fan. He's making very good points, if you'd played Max Payne before you'd have something thoughtful to say.

and what makes you think i hav'nt played MP and MP2 before. i bought both the day they came out and played and enjoyed the fuck out of them. just becasue im not mr cynical trousers doesn't mean i never played them. i think MP3 looks great.

You think it looks great, I'm not calling you Mr. Happy-go-lucky Drone for that, so don't call those who dislike it cynical. Again, he has good points, learn to distinguish legitimate complaints from void whining.
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Max Payne plays great on consoles and even plays pretty well on bloody iOS, so I don't think they have to make any significant "compromises" for Max Payne 3 just because it's on multiple platforms.

As for the other worries, I'm not sure I quite understand them. Parody, attention to detail, dark humour? Tongue-in-cheek writing? Are we now pretending that all of this stuff hasn't been a staple of Rockstar's games for over a decade?

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@sear: oh, you must be an elitist
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@adam1808 said:

@sear: oh, you must be an elitist

I agree. Comes off as a PC elitist.

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I just replayed Max Payne 1 & 2, and I think the story really is what builds the game. The rest is just an okay shooter with slowmotion which isn't really impressive anymore. some of the level design is really good too, but some of the game is just corridor shooting.

I think Rockstar can pull this of, but what I'm worried about is that they wont bring something new to the franchise because they are too afraid to piss of old fans.

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Glad that I'm going into it not knowing too much at all. I've barely read anything about the game. I REALLY loved and finished 1 and 2 on my PC back in the day and I'm psyched to play 3!!!

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@sear said:

Couldn't care less about this game at the moment. Different developer, different tone, different aesthetic, different gameplay... yeah, it says Max Payne on the box but I'll really have to see it to believe it. As of now all I can take away from the game is "generic third-person shooter with slow-motion gimmick." Big deal. All the technical aspects Rockstar have been pushing don't really matter if the game itself is soulless.

Not to mention, being developed primarily for consoles is definitely going to compromise the gunplay (sorry, shooters on consoles simply follow completely different design conventions, you just can't do a fast-paced reflex-, precision-driven game in the same mold without making compromises). Yeah, gameplay looks similar in trailers, but it's things like level design, enemy AI and aggressiveness, how big Max's health bar is, and so on that will really determine how it plays, not the camera perspective.

Beyond that, Max Payne, despite having good action, was much more about the subtle things - the dark humour, the interplay between characters, the parody-noir writing that was way more tongue-in-cheek than most people admitted at the time - and I don't trust a developer like Rockstar to deliver the same quirkiness and attention to detail.

These were all ok-ish points - TEN MONTHES AGO. Do some research on the game, you'll see all of your concerns are outdated and addressed. Also, tone down the PC master race act.

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Also, I believe "Address Unknown" ended in Max payne 2 with a season finale, if any of you remember that.