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Tidbits From Today’s Unhappy THQ Earning Call

uDraw was a complete bomb that has nearly sunk the fragile company.

This probably summarizes what it feels like at THQ right now--a flaming pile of uDraw tablets.
This probably summarizes what it feels like at THQ right now--a flaming pile of uDraw tablets.

It’s not good times over at THQ headquarters, which expected to spend today’s quarterly earnings all pumping its fists about the great sales of WWE 12 and Saints Row: The Third, and instead had to explain how uDraw turned into a monstrously bad bet for it.

THQ is sitting on no less than 1.4 million unsold uDraw tablets. The success of uDraw on Wii convinced THQ it could see similar results on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. That wasn’t the case.

“Unfortunately, we were wrong,” said THQ CEO Brian Farrell.

That’s an understatement.

Here are the most interesting bits I jotted down from today’s call:

  • THQ lost roughly $30 million on their high-definition uDraw bet.
  • Confidence was misplaced on uDraw, but it was a catalyst to “evaluate our business from top to bottom.”
  • THQ has ceased production of uDraw hardware, has a plan to move the rest of the units through retail channels, but has no further plans for uDraw.
  • The plan is to now “transform THQ into a smaller, more agile entertainment company.”
  • Looking toward the future, it “intends to launch new franchises as future platforms are introduced.”
  • Saints Row: The Third represents largest “owned IP” launch in THQ history.
  • uDraw was approximately $100M below expectations.
  • THQ’s quarterly earnings would have doubled without uDraw in the mix.
  • THQ is going “to be a smaller company,” and next year, net sales should be “roughly half.”
  • Darksiders was not marketed aggressively enough, but Darksiders 2 will “build on the quality of the experience,” and THQ hopes to elevate the brand into a “mass market event” by doubling marketing.
  • Characterized Metro: Last Light as a sequel to a game that was a “high quality title that had very limited marketing,” and delaying the sequel to “fully realize the value of this hidden gem to enhance and polish the gameplay.” Also, way more marketing.
  • Homefront ultimately shipped nearly 3 million copies, and sold 1 million in its first week.
  • THQ said Homefront’s online consumer experience “suffered from technical issues.”
  • The upcoming Warhammer 40,000: Dark Millenium Online is a game where THQ has to be “realistic about [their] resources” and is seeking a partner to work on the game with.
  • uDraw was meant to be a bridge to “core to digital future” and turned to be a “plank.”
  • THQ now has “very realistic expectations” (read: lower) for future sales of games.
  • As for Patrice Désilets next game, he’s still in “early pre-production on his project,” and there will be more detail on that “at the right time, but he’s “pleased with progress at building the team.”
  • In addition to collaborating on the MMO, Relic is “highly focused on RTS.”
  • As for the future of Saints Row, Volition is “dedicated to the Saints Row franchise.”
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Edited By Metric_Outlaw

They're do so great lately. I hope they can continue improving their bland IPs.

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This is what happens to gimmicks.

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@punkxblaze said:

Peripherals CAN kill.

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Edited By MordeaniisChaos

Good to see they know what they need to be doing. Hopefully Darksiders and Metro will be moresuccesseful, and they will capitalize on the potential that Saints Row the Fourth has to be a huge consumer success.

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They aren't kidding they don't advertise enough, this is the first I've ever heard of udraw. Not that I would've ever bought it if I had heard about it.

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I aplo@alternate: Marketing is crazy, mah friend.

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I'm actually kind of glad that they weren't tanking because of people not appreciating the quality of their games, but literally because they sunk it all on a terrible bet.

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If there is one thing to be saved from all this, let it be Metro.

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Man I hope that jargon doesn't mean anything bad for Dark Millenium.

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Man... I feel like I should buy a uDraw tablet now...

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I'm a pretty avid gamer and I've never even heard of udraw.

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Edited By MooseyMcMan

So long as Volition is still making Saints Row games, and THQ has enough money to fund them, then I'm "fine" with it. Well, that's not the right word, because, you know, people lost their jobs and everything.

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Nice to know Relic's probably working on Dawn of War III. DoWII is a fine game.

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Edited By cannedstingray

what about the game that volition is working on with Guillermo Del Toro??

Y'know insane

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Edited By MangyForestKat

Apple, Nintendo, and THQ just announced a partnership and new console it's called the

iWiiuDraw

BA DUM TISH! People deserve to be fired and lose their jobs for ever making the uDraw a reality.

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@Tennmuerti said:

Here's hoping this bullshit uDraw thing doesn't kill off: Saints Row, Dawn of War, Darksiders franchises.

Wouldn't that be a bummer.

here here

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Massive dawn of war sale on Steam now... wonder if someone there heard the call?

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Edited By pw2566ch

This is definitely the right thing to do. So, they said that uDraw was a success on the Wii, but not on the PS3 and 360. They also mentioned that they're ceasing production of the hardware. Does this mean they won't continue on the Wii? I mean, they were successful on that console apparently. Why stop?

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Wtf, a graphics tablet for consoles? geezus I could have told them that shit wouldn't sell, honestly who thought that was a good idea -_-

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So I should buy a uDraw to support more Saints Row?

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What "retail channels" could Farrell possibly be hoping to move 1.5 million uDraw units through? Is that code for "We're gonna dump 1.5 million uDraw units in the English channel"?

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@Tennmuerti said:

Here's hoping this bullshit uDraw thing doesn't kill off: Saints Row, Dawn of War, Darksiders franchises.

Wouldn't that be a bummer.

Came in here to post this. That's pretty crazy how one bad bet in one field can sink their actually successful bets in other fields. I do hope the worst is over at this rate.

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Wait, so mismanagement is a bad thing? Ohhhhhhhhhh, now I understand economics.

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I just wanted to comment because my screenshot was used for the article :D

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I guess we can forget about Company of Heroes 2

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The Warhammer franchise could be a gold mine and the MMO should just be turned into MMOFPS (Space Marine) but with a Planetside flavor, and it would print cash.

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@p00rdevil said:

I'm still holding out hope for Warhammer 40K. They are looking for a partner to help finish it. I hope they have something decent to show, or it will be tough finding anyone. But doesn't Gamesworkshop own the franchise and could they give the game to some else to finish?

The "partner" could be anything, but I think they're looking for someone to host/cover the massive data centres needed for a MMO and bandwidth so forth and so on.

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I'm genuinely amazed that the uDraw was an actual product on store shelves. I follow games pretty closely, write about them, and had never heard of the thing until the recent Bombcast.

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And no mention of the Red Faction franchise... assholes decided to NOT include the ever-present notion of oppression in Armageddon, so why continue it from there? It's unfortunately dead in the water.

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I've heard of the Udraw tablet on the Wii. The store I work at would sell out of them all the time, but that was over a year ago. I had no idea they made a PS3 and 360 version. Those two versions had no chance against the juggernaut that is Skylanders.

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It's nice to see a publisher taking responsibility for a game's failure to sell (Darksiders, Metro 2033) instead of just throwing their hands up and saying "OH WELL NEXT PROJECT!" I guess at this point they can't really afford to throw money at new teams and projects so they're working on strengthening what they do have.

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God, if Metro fails, THQ is probably gonna be pretty boned.

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uDraw? What??

Are you sure they didn't just make that up to launder money or something? That can't be real.

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All I care about is Saints Row. Nothing else matters.

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Holy shit, I didn't even know the thing that nearly exploded the company even existed.

Are you sure "uDraw" isn't slang for "Chinese Roller-derby bets and blow?"

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The xbox 360 Udraw is like around $40 on amazon. If THQ is smart, they should release a offical hack so the PS3/360 tablet can be used on the PC. The price is in line with the low end Wacom tablet.

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So if uDraw was successful on the Wii, how did it cost them so much money to port it to the 360 and PS3? Surely the hardware would be almost identical, and I can't imagine it costs that much to up-rez some Wii textures so they don't look like complete crap. If they already had the hardware and software mostly ready to go, then where did the money go? Even if it was a failure on the 360 and PS3 it shouldn't have cost them 30 million dollars.

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I never even heard of uDraw.

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CEO Brian J. Farrell earned $2.5 million last year and he has received $22 million in stock options.

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@FMinus said:

The Warhammer franchise could be a gold mine and the MMO should just be turned into MMOFPS (Space Marine) but with a Planetside flavor, and it would print cash.

That is what the first vid shown (granted it was only like...30 seconds) seems like. It looks like a MMO Space Marine game, which could be interesting.
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@Draxyle said:

@Tennmuerti said:

Here's hoping this bullshit uDraw thing doesn't kill off: Saints Row, Dawn of War, Darksiders franchises.

Wouldn't that be a bummer.

Came in here to post this. That's pretty crazy how one bad bet in one field can sink their actually successful bets in other fields. I do hope the worst is over at this rate.

To be fair, it wouldn't kill them off. They would just have to find new publishers if THQ went under. I don't think they would have too hard of a time because those are the worthwhile IPs that companies would want to pick up. Don't get me wrong though, I love those franchises too.

Also, uDraw? I can see how they took huge losses on that considering how I hadn't ever even heard of it until this article.

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*sigh* One of the biggest faults THQ has is not reading the writing on the walls. They don't need MORE marketing, they need EFFECTIVE marketing. Continually throwing more money at something doesn't fix the issue. They need a new marketing department.

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@qawsed said:

CEO Brian J. Farrell earned $2.5 million last year and he has received $22 million in stock options.

They lost 55 million in the 3rd quarter of their Fiscal 2012 year, irritation hatred of people that make more than you (his $2.5mil in cash) and attempting to imply that his salary has any bearing at all on the financials of the company doesn't do anything except show that you still have a junior high/maybe high school level knowledge (which in the U.S., would be literally nothing) of finances and economics. He's pretty much the only one at this point that can do anything and make decisions that might save the company, which I doubt he will be able to do. Whoever presented to him and recommended that they do this uDraw tablet thing on the PS3/360 is probably more to blame than he is.

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@InertiaXr said:

@qawsed said:

CEO Brian J. Farrell earned $2.5 million last year and he has received $22 million in stock options.

They lost 55 million in the 3rd quarter of their Fiscal 2012 year, irritation hatred of people that make more than you (his $2.5mil in cash) and attempting to imply that his salary has any bearing at all on the financials of the company doesn't do anything except show that you still have a junior high/maybe high school level knowledge (which in the U.S., would be literally nothing) of finances and economics. He's pretty much the only one at this point that can do anything and make decisions that might save the company, which I doubt he will be able to do. Whoever presented to him and recommended that they do this uDraw tablet thing on the PS3/360 is probably more to blame than he is.

He said "ok" to the udraw, he's to blame. You don't become a CEO so that you can pass the buck.

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@Xeirus said:

@InertiaXr said:

@qawsed said:

CEO Brian J. Farrell earned $2.5 million last year and he has received $22 million in stock options.

They lost 55 million in the 3rd quarter of their Fiscal 2012 year, irritation hatred of people that make more than you (his $2.5mil in cash) and attempting to imply that his salary has any bearing at all on the financials of the company doesn't do anything except show that you still have a junior high/maybe high school level knowledge (which in the U.S., would be literally nothing) of finances and economics. He's pretty much the only one at this point that can do anything and make decisions that might save the company, which I doubt he will be able to do. Whoever presented to him and recommended that they do this uDraw tablet thing on the PS3/360 is probably more to blame than he is.

He said "ok" to the udraw, he's to blame. You don't become a CEO so that you can pass the buck.

Yeah his previous 17 years of being THQ's CEO is pretty much irrevelent, I agree. For however many millions THQ made with him as the CEO since 1995 (CEO at one company for 17 years? Never heard of such a long reign...impressive), he was in actuality compensated probably pretty poorly, and now when the company is failing the board failed to fire him in time and try to find somebody else to change the companies direction and everybody is saying 'his $2.5mil salary is way too much!!' Does anybody know how much Google's CEO makes, Apple's CEO? Does anybody else know who the fuck runs Apple now that Jobs died? Nobody cares because they can make money off of those companies by blindly dumping money into their stock then selling 3-6-12 months later. CEO's make way too little when their company is thriving under their control because THEY are in control as you said and should be paid for it, then when a company is falling away everybody yells and says 'they should make $1 because right now they make more than me and their company is failing and that's not fair!!!'

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It's really sad to see a company that's released so many games I truly like doing poorly. It's even sadder that people had to lose their jobs.

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  • The plan is to now “transform THQ into a smaller, more agile entertainment company.”
  • Looking toward the future, it “intends to launch new franchises as future platforms are introduced.”

If this is the result, there's a few more developer titans that could afford to have the wind knocked out of their sails.

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Too bad, it is a shame, I mean they have some good franchises, but homefront.....

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There has to be some firings going on...

No excuse for the UDraw, way to ruin what your other properties did THQ...

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@ParamedicFoetus: Nothing has happened with it yet. There is really nothing to say about it other than it exists.