Wii U Arrives in United States on November 18

@ MAGZine

casual latched onto it for the reason they latch onto ipad, facebook games, angry birds etc... it offered easy to use gaming with simple enough games to understand for them, wiisports.. and had a cool new way of playing those sports games with family and friends. and got alot of publicy from the likes of oprah. now that the casual have moved on, i dont see wiiu replicating that success.

"If someone has mutual interest in the Wii U, NXB, NPS and PC"

but thats the thing , i dont see majority of people having intrest in all of those. i see sony and m$ having enough core gamers intrested in their platforms so that they could generate enough sales for the consoles to be financially viable through software sales. they could sell the same amount and even more that they've sold this gen. and the only ones who are more proune to pick wiiu over ps4 and 720 are the fans of nintendo, which would make it sales most likely around 20 million or so, which was the sales of GC, console mostly bought by the fans. maybe it can do 30 million lifetime, but sill, at this day and age its not enough. its more expensive business than ever before and nintendo is the only one who has no other revenue than videogames, so it hits hardest them if they dont start to gain more profit from software sales.

@SpartanHoplite: By that logic, how did the group you refer to "casuals" latch onto the Wii? It was just some mystic conincidence that they happened to end up with one in their hands?

Again. If someone has mutual interest in the Wii U, NXB, NPS and PC, the logical combination is Wii U and PC. The only reason to buy a NPS or NXB over a PC is exclusives. Wii U would take care of all of the console exclusives.

@Zaxex said:

@Hailinel said:

@Zaxex

@jasondesante said:

anyone with a 360 who plays call of duty will want this because you can play cod online without using your tv, in your hands. Whats the biggest problem of the PSP? You end up playing it more on a couch. This is going to be so fun to play with.

That assumes that everyone wants to rid themselves of their TVs. I think at this point the Xbox 360, PS3 or PC are preferable choices; where the internet is better, there's no battery life to worry about and the games may perform better.

No battery life in the PS3 or 360? What?

I'm saying you have to concern yourself with battery life on a handheld, as opposed to the consoles.

You do know that the controllers do need to be recharged every so often, I assume?

@Hailinel said:

@Zaxex

@jasondesante said:

anyone with a 360 who plays call of duty will want this because you can play cod online without using your tv, in your hands. Whats the biggest problem of the PSP? You end up playing it more on a couch. This is going to be so fun to play with.

That assumes that everyone wants to rid themselves of their TVs. I think at this point the Xbox 360, PS3 or PC are preferable choices; where the internet is better, there's no battery life to worry about and the games may perform better.

No battery life in the PS3 or 360? What?

I'm saying you have to concern yourself with battery life on a handheld, as opposed to the consoles.

@LordAndrew

Of course they do, but at the moment its N who i see to be in thin ice. PS3 & 360 have sold 66 & 68 million, so i would say the majority of those people are the type of gamers who follow gaming [meaning not your parents, granny or GF]. & they are most likely to get PS4 or 720, or both. But the majority of Wii's 96 million buyers are your parents, granny, GF or PS360PC, who buyed it, played for awhile & got bored of it, plus the fans of course. So who are coming back to PS720, majority of those who bought PS3 & 360. Who are coming back to WiiU, sure not the casuals, they've moved on, nor the PS360PC crowd, who got burned with the Wii.

So what does it leave to WiiU, just the fans, which is not enough.

@jasondesante said:

anyone with a 360 who plays call of duty will want this because you can play cod online without using your tv, in your hands. Whats the biggest problem of the PSP? You end up playing it more on a couch. This is going to be so fun to play with.

That assumes that everyone wants to rid themselves of their TVs. I think at this point the Xbox 360, PS3 or PC are preferable choices; where the internet is better, there's no battery life to worry about and the games may perform better.

@SpartanHoplite: Those three groups exist for other consoles too.

@jasondesante said:

anyone with a 360 who plays call of duty will want this because you can play cod online without using your tv, in your hands. Whats the biggest problem of the PSP? You end up playing it more on a couch. This is going to be so fun to play with.

That assumes that everyone wants to rid themselves of their TVs. I think at this point the Xbox 360, PS3 or PC are preferable choices; where the internet is better, there's no battery life to worry about and the games may perform better.

anyone with a 360 who plays call of duty will want this because you can play cod online without using your tv, in your hands. Whats the biggest problem of the PSP? You end up playing it more on a couch. This is going to be so fun to play with.

@Shaanyboi said:

@Oginam said:

One game isn't a reason to buy a console, especially with Microsoft and Sony unveiling their stuff only a few months after the "launch window".

...So... just wait until two more consoles are released with 'zero' interesting games for THEIR launch? Because if memory serves, the 360 and PS3 had fucking GARBAGE at the start. I'd say Nintendo having atleast 'acouple' pretty interesting games at launch on their system is better than most.

I'll happily wait a few months to see what Microsoft and Sony show at E3. Didn't say anything about waiting until they're released.

@LordAndrew

@ DeF

@ MAGZine

My point is, there's 3 groups as i see it:

1) N fans, are they happy, sure, i suppose they are, mostly atleast.

2) Casual, do they care? I dont think they even know what WiiU is, so, no. It's very unlikely N gets the casual again.

3) The PS360PC crowd, are they intrested, no, why would they? PS360PC crowd are the people whome follow the gaming news & are very aware of the state of things, & to most of them WiiU isnt that appealing even if it has couple intresting titles, which to masses i dont consider B2 & ZU to be. It needs alot more than that to get the PS360PC crowd, & considering next Sony/M$ consoles are just behind the corner, i see that crowd turning its eyes to those 2 by the time WiiU has bigger lineup.

So who at this point are really into WiiU, its the fans, & i dont believe WiiU can substain financial viability by being supported only by the fans of big N.

@SpartanHoplite said:

It does not seem to be aimed at anyone except the fans, where's the games.. i mean other than the usual N games. others might aswell wait till M$ & $ony consoles arrive.

R.I.P Nintendo

god I'm so tired of reading dumb stuff like this which only needlessly perpetuates the whole "RIP Nintendo" notion. Have you actually read or watched any news about the Wii U, or are you just looking at the Wii and saying "Yeah, basically that"? Seriously. The big blockbusters (ACIII, COD, Mass Effect + future titles), along with various exclusives (Rayman Legends, Bayonetta 2, W101, ZombiU + future titles), topped with Nintendo's 1st party, which fall into the "usual N games," I suppose.

@JohnZimmerman said:

oh one more thing nintendo, why are making/ selling TVs?

I think you're missing a a word or two there. And I'm not sure why it's relevant, anyway. If this is a crack about TVii, that's just a service Nintendo is opperating through the Wii U that's meant to help consolidate everything from streaming services like Netflix to Tivo DVR to basic cable service. As non-game-related as that is, it's actually not a bad idea in principle because it helps put the Wii U in the position of being a one-stop shop for your TV.

@WasabiCurry said:

I still cannot understand the purpose of the Wii U. The premise of the pad and just HD graphics are not very good selling points to me. I am just hoping that Nintendo is not shooting themselves in the foot when Microsoft and Sony will announce a next generation console. Or the mythical "Steam Box" comes into reality to push these three to a next generation platform.

I grew up with Nintendo; had fun times in my childhood and only wish them the best. Sadly, I will be saving up my money this go around for a new Gaming PC.

They waited way too long to put this out. This should've come out a year or two ago.

sorry nintendo but i don't care about the Wii U, I don't care about the 3DS, i don't think i will care. maybe it's time for nintendo to stop trying to make consoles and just make games for sony and microsoft.

oh one more thing nintendo, why are making/ selling TVs?

@SpartanHoplite: So a first person survival horror/roguelike game with permadeath, a persistent world, seamless online integration with players from your friend list spawning in your world if they die, a multiplayer CTF-mode with a spin that has two players interacting with the game in completely different ways (one plays FPS style, the other controls the zombie spawns, strategy game style) is "nothing special" to you? How many games like that have you seen?

Then add to that what LordAndrew said about Bayonetta 2. I don't care about that franchise but it's a pretty nice get for Nintendo.

You're also completely ignoring The Wonderful 101. Maybe because that doesn't sound interesting enough to you but, again, a brawler where you control dozens of little people who form different objects or weapons and have crazy battles is nothing special? How many games like that have you seen?

Then there's also Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate coming. That's a pretty huge deal for some people. Then there's Pikmin 3, a potentially better ports of critically acclaimed games.

Tell me again there's nothing or only stuff for "Nintendo fans." It's factually wrong.

@SpartanHoplite: Well, a lot of people think Bayonetta 2 is special. And some of them are getting angry that it's not on their console of choice. Some were uninteresed but are now sold on the Wii U thanks to Bayonetta. I accept your opinion as opinion, but your claim about it only interesting Nintendo fans is wrong.

@DeF

Other than the same series N has put out for 30 years, & other than ports from PS360.. I only see Bayonetta 2 & Zombi U, & neither one really isn't anything special. It needs alot more than that, if it wants others onboard, now it only has N fans intrested.

@SpartanHoplite said:

It does not seem to be aimed at anyone except the fans, where's the games.. i mean other than the usual N games. others might aswell wait till M$ & $ony consoles arrive.

R.I.P Nintendo

"where's the games" ... err have you seen the list of games? there's a whole big bunch of 'em coming in the first 4 months (stuff that comes later hasn't been shown yet).

It does not seem to be aimed at anyone except the fans, where's the games.. i mean other than the usual N games. others might aswell wait till M$ & $ony consoles arrive.

R.I.P Nintendo

@Cincaid: ahh, i only heard the controller price not the that it won't be out day one. But even at that their price points it doesn't seem to me at least there is a lot of profit margin.

@DeanoXD said:

So at 25 pages long i didn't read every post so i ask, if the basic bundle is $299 and i heard that if you want a second screen controller that will cost you $170, does that mean they are able to build the console box for $129? Is nintendo even able to make money off of what is just in the box with out buying any other extras?

I know nintendo fans will buy this console but nothing about the wii u seems like a good deal or a good investment at this time. Because people who actually play their wii over a 360 or ps3 are they really a group waiting for games like cod, darksiders, bayonetta, mass effect 3? Plus it doesn't play dvd's or blu rays.

I understand the mario and monster hunter games are things that fans will want to play but is it worth it to fans of those games to spend anywhere from $299-$350 for a new console with out buying any other extra controllers.

Controllers are (so far) only planned to be sold in Japan, where the price for one converts to $170. I think they've only said that they will sell controllers in US/EU once there are games out that supports it. If you break or loose your controller, Nintendo customer service can provide you with a new one, for an unknown amount of money. And keep in mind that (so far at least) every game played with a second controller, both controllers will have their framerate halved, since they're sharing the video feed.

So at 25 pages long i didn't read every post so i ask, if the basic bundle is $299 and i heard that if you want a second screen controller that will cost you $170, does that mean they are able to build the console box for $129? Is nintendo even able to make money off of what is just in the box with out buying any other extras?

I know nintendo fans will buy this console but nothing about the wii u seems like a good deal or a good investment at this time. Because people who actually play their wii over a 360 or ps3 are they really a group waiting for games like cod, darksiders, bayonetta, mass effect 3? Plus it doesn't play dvd's or blu rays.

I understand the mario and monster hunter games are things that fans will want to play but is it worth it to fans of those games to spend anywhere from $299-$350 for a new console with out buying any other extra controllers.

@Oginam said:

One game isn't a reason to buy a console, especially with Microsoft and Sony unveiling their stuff only a few months after the "launch window".

...So... just wait until two more consoles are released with 'zero' interesting games for THEIR launch? Because if memory serves, the 360 and PS3 had fucking GARBAGE at the start. I'd say Nintendo having atleast 'acouple' pretty interesting games at launch on their system is better than most.

@EXTomar said:

@tactis said:

Sure why not? This seems reasonably priced and I am willing to give Nintendo a shot , the $350 option seems like the way better deal.

I have to ask, why do you believe this is a reasonable price? Not to get into a "spec war" but the WiiU isn't exactly a powerhouse that can blow away the competition.

If it were going to "blow away the competition", it'd be $400 or more. And besides, it doesn't have to. I can buy multiple systems. If this is going to do its own thing, and SMART developers can find a good way of balancing the controller functions into the gameplay experience, that's fine on its own. I'd rather have SOMEONE doing something different than have three clones next gen...

Replacing a HD on the ps3 is really easy and super cheap, you can get 500 GB for 50 -70 bucks. Microsoft still over priced like always and Nintendo gives you the option of an external one, not bad. Hopefully the next gen consoles have this option and no more overpriced HD's.

Preordered a Deluxe version; can't wait! Not once in the past has a Nintendo console let me down at full price.

(I didn't get a Virtual Boy.)

@shishkebab09 said:

@Ace829 said:

@gla55jAw said:

@Ace829 said:

@Tordah said:

@gla55jAw said:

8-32GB really? I'm speechless...

Yeah, me too. Especially with the way digital distribution has evolved over the years. 32GB really is quite pathetic. I would say it's downright foolish of Nintendo to not even match the current generation standards as available on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. And this is supposed to be next-gen?

You can connect an external HDD to store your digital games and whatever else through USB.

I think most people would then have to buy an extra HDD and dedicate it to the system, adding to the total cost. 360's and PS3's for that price come with 250-500 GB.

Yep, but their HDDs are ridiculously overpriced. Plus, 16-32GB is enough if you plan to play physical retail games with a few digital games on the side. Yes, the 360 and PS3 are the same price with 250 to 300GB of storage, but are you forgetting that not only is the Wii U more powerful but that the controller is going is be quite pricey due to that screen? If you look at the Wii U 6-7 years from now, it would probably at a $150 price point with 32 gigs which is a better value than what the 360 and PS3 goes for today.

360 HDDs are overpriced, but PS3 allows you to plug in any 2.5" internal HDD. With that in mind, externals are more expensive, sizable ones require their own power source, AND that's another device producing heat you need to have sitting next to your system. If none of that bothers you, keep in mind a USB connection is far slower than a SATA connection, so storing DLC or full games on a USB device will be a lot less desirable than you make it sound. If Nintendo doesn't give us enough space to hold game updates and DLC for our Mass Effects 3s and Black Ops 2s, they'll be back to getting lite versions, which they should be trying harder to avoid.

I have an eternal terabyte drive hooked up to my computer right now. It physically doesn't take up that much space, doesn't require external power, the heat output is negligible, and from what I recall, didn't cost that much, relative to other drives on the market. I would assume that if I were to get the same model of external drive for a Wii U, it would work just fine.

@gla55jAw said:

I think most people would then have to buy an extra HDD and dedicate it to the system, adding to the total cost. 360's and PS3's for that price come with 250-500 GB.

Most people probably won't even fill up the hard drive on the 8 GB model.

I know I'm gonna get one of these eventually, it being a Nintendo console and all, but I really think Nintendo is buring out the last of the good will me and my family have for it.

@Ace829 said:

@gla55jAw said:

@Ace829 said:

@Tordah said:

@gla55jAw said:

8-32GB really? I'm speechless...

Yeah, me too. Especially with the way digital distribution has evolved over the years. 32GB really is quite pathetic. I would say it's downright foolish of Nintendo to not even match the current generation standards as available on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. And this is supposed to be next-gen?

You can connect an external HDD to store your digital games and whatever else through USB.

I think most people would then have to buy an extra HDD and dedicate it to the system, adding to the total cost. 360's and PS3's for that price come with 250-500 GB.

Yep, but their HDDs are ridiculously overpriced. Plus, 16-32GB is enough if you plan to play physical retail games with a few digital games on the side. Yes, the 360 and PS3 are the same price with 250 to 300GB of storage, but are you forgetting that not only is the Wii U more powerful but that the controller is going is be quite pricey due to that screen? If you look at the Wii U 6-7 years from now, it would probably at a $150 price point with 32 gigs which is a better value than what the 360 and PS3 goes for today.

360 HDDs are overpriced, but PS3 allows you to plug in any 2.5" internal HDD. With that in mind, externals are more expensive, sizable ones require their own power source, AND that's another device producing heat you need to have sitting next to your system. If none of that bothers you, keep in mind a USB connection is far slower than a SATA connection, so storing DLC or full games on a USB device will be a lot less desirable than you make it sound. If Nintendo doesn't give us enough space to hold game updates and DLC for our Mass Effects 3s and Black Ops 2s, they'll be back to getting lite versions, which they should be trying harder to avoid.

@Ace829 said:

@gla55jAw said:

@Ace829 said:

@Tordah said:

@gla55jAw said:

8-32GB really? I'm speechless...

Yeah, me too. Especially with the way digital distribution has evolved over the years. 32GB really is quite pathetic. I would say it's downright foolish of Nintendo to not even match the current generation standards as available on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. And this is supposed to be next-gen?

You can connect an external HDD to store your digital games and whatever else through USB.

I think most people would then have to buy an extra HDD and dedicate it to the system, adding to the total cost. 360's and PS3's for that price come with 250-500 GB.

Yep, but their HDDs are ridiculously overpriced. Plus, 16-32GB is enough if you plan to play physical retail games with a few digital games on the side. Yes, the 360 and PS3 are the same price with 250 to 300GB of storage, but are you forgetting that not only is the Wii U more powerful but that the controller is going is be quite pricey due to that screen? If you look at the Wii U 6-7 years from now, it would probably at a $150 price point with 32 gigs which is a better value than what the 360 and PS3 goes for today.

The Wii U being more powerful than the 360 and PS3 would have been a selling point in 2005. It is not a selling point that the Wii U is more powerful than 6 & 7 year old machines. (that are cheaper, have more games, and more storage)

and so far the Wii U hasn't showed any graphical prowess over the current consoles, but, ahem.

Fool me once.

@gla55jAw said:

@Ace829 said:

@Tordah said:

@gla55jAw said:

8-32GB really? I'm speechless...

Yeah, me too. Especially with the way digital distribution has evolved over the years. 32GB really is quite pathetic. I would say it's downright foolish of Nintendo to not even match the current generation standards as available on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. And this is supposed to be next-gen?

You can connect an external HDD to store your digital games and whatever else through USB.

I think most people would then have to buy an extra HDD and dedicate it to the system, adding to the total cost. 360's and PS3's for that price come with 250-500 GB.

Yep, but their HDDs are ridiculously overpriced. Plus, 16-32GB is enough if you plan to play physical retail games with a few digital games on the side. Yes, the 360 and PS3 are the same price with 250 to 300GB of storage, but are you forgetting that not only is the Wii U more powerful but that the controller is going is be quite pricey due to that screen? If you look at the Wii U 6-7 years from now, it would probably at a $150 price point with 32 gigs which is a better value than what the 360 and PS3 goes for today.

@Ace829 said:

@Tordah said:

@gla55jAw said:

8-32GB really? I'm speechless...

Yeah, me too. Especially with the way digital distribution has evolved over the years. 32GB really is quite pathetic. I would say it's downright foolish of Nintendo to not even match the current generation standards as available on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. And this is supposed to be next-gen?

You can connect an external HDD to store your digital games and whatever else through USB.

I think most people would then have to buy an extra HDD and dedicate it to the system, adding to the total cost. 360's and PS3's for that price come with 250-500 GB.

eh. i'm unimpressed and won't be getting this (at least right now) but i'm not going to say it'll kill nintendo because everyone (including me) said the ps3 would be the death of sony because they were asking a lot of money at launch and they're fine now.

@Hailinel said:

@Doppelgamer said:

Sorry, but I really don't feel like shelling out extra money for external storage, when adequate storage should be standard. (At least with the high end version.) An external HDD will just take more physical space in my already crowded console space, add to the cost, and be an ever-present visual reminder of their poor design choice.

Besides, they're just pulling a Dreamcast here, with this early release, and will be surpassed by the other guys a year later. I love Nintendo, and great as their games are, I'm tired of playing Mario and Zelda generation after generation. I want more new IPs.

Define "adequate." All hard drives run out of space sooner or later, whether they be 32GB, 80GB, or more. I'd rather buy a console with a relatively small hard drive and the ability to easily add capacity with external USB drives than pay more for a larger hard drive that will inevitably have to be swapped out of the hardware after a time-consuming copy processes.

Adding to that, why is everyone freaking out about the space anyway? The Wii U has a faster disc drive than current systems, so far it looks like you won't even need storage for disc based games. Unless you wanna go all-digital (so far only first party retail games will be day-and-date available on the eShop), those 8 or 32GB of flash memory seem totally fine.

And if that really isn't enough, throw in another 32GB USB stick or SD card and they will take up virtually no space at all. Don't let yourself be fooled by 320GB hard drives in your PS3/360. Unless you never uninstall old games or download a ton of huge games and leave them on there forever, you don't need that much space anyway.

@Tordah said:

@gla55jAw said:

8-32GB really? I'm speechless...

Yeah, me too. Especially with the way digital distribution has evolved over the years. 32GB really is quite pathetic. I would say it's downright foolish of Nintendo to not even match the current generation standards as available on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. And this is supposed to be next-gen?

You can connect an external HDD to store your digital games and whatever else through USB.

@Doppelgamer said:

Sorry, but I really don't feel like shelling out extra money for external storage, when adequate storage should be standard. (At least with the high end version.) An external HDD will just take more physical space in my already crowded console space, add to the cost, and be an ever-present visual reminder of their poor design choice.

Besides, they're just pulling a Dreamcast here, with this early release, and will be surpassed by the other guys a year later. I love Nintendo, and great as their games are, I'm tired of playing Mario and Zelda generation after generation. I want more new IPs.

Define "adequate." All hard drives run out of space sooner or later, whether they be 32GB, 80GB, or more. I'd rather buy a console with a relatively small hard drive and the ability to easily add capacity with external USB drives than pay more for a larger hard drive that will inevitably have to be swapped out of the hardware after a time-consuming copy processes.

Great work as always Scoops

I'm sorry but I don't get the Wii U. I just don't. I haven't seen any games that excite me. I think that a second controller is going to be prohibitively expensive and the Wii traded heavily on its low price. I think including a HDMI cable only is great for hardcore gamers but what about all the people who played their Wii on an SD tv? There has got to be a large portion of those people out there who will get the Wii U home and then won't be able to hook it up. Perhaps it will still function will the the Wii's old composite cable but who knows? Nintendo TVii looks cool I guess but I don't have a Tivo and I wouldn't get one just for the Wii U. The systems power is MAYBE a step up from the PS3/360 but in a year the graphics of the Wii U will look out dated. But really, it's about the games and I just don't see any for me. I'm sure Nintendo will put out its 10 or so games I would play over the life of the system that I am interested in but that's not going to cut for me anymore. Sadly, this may be the first Nintendo console I skip.

@Imsorrymsjackson said:

@MolluskLingers said:

RIP Nintendo

oh, ok

Fool me once shame on you (Wii) fool me twice shame on me. (Wii U)

I'm not falling for it again Nintendo, unless you make a real Zelda game with no motion controls... then I might fall for it.

Meh

@Blue_Sheild said:

I just like Nintendo is including HDMI cable as the pack-in, instead of composite. Bold move by Nintendo. That's just not something I've seen most anybody else do. Most everyone else goes with composite. I mean, I understand why most go with composite as the pack-in, with composite connection being on most every TV, but still, in this day and age, when most households now have at least one HDTV, it's time. HDMI should be the pack-in. If someone really wants composite, they can be purchased on the cheap.

Well, it is the next generation. Hopefully MS and Sony have figured that out too.

@TheVideoHustler said:

@familyphotoshoot said:

My body is ready Reggie

I was suddenly reminded of this

Sorry, but I really don't feel like shelling out extra money for external storage, when adequate storage should be standard. (At least with the high end version.) An external HDD will just take more physical space in my already crowded console space, add to the cost, and be an ever-present visual reminder of their poor design choice.

Besides, they're just pulling a Dreamcast here, with this early release, and will be surpassed by the other guys a year later. I love Nintendo, and great as their games are, I'm tired of playing Mario and Zelda generation after generation. I want more new IPs.