Will the British be the only enemy?

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#1 Posted by Mikemcn (6955 posts) -

We've only been exposed to a small amount of marketing about this game, but I can't help but notice an early trend, the British seem to be the bad guys from what has been shown, maybe time will reveal that there are other enemies, but it seems kinda weird to me...

  • The other Assassin Creeds did not have Ezio pick sides in a conflict, 1 had him as a member of a third, neutral faction which we found out had plenty of problems of its own, while 2, Brohood, and revelations had him dealing with all sorts of groups and factions most of whom were little more than thugs.
  • Throughout all the other games, regardless of who Ezio is working for, the Templars were the enemy, for example, in Brotherhood he messed with the Catholic Church a bunch but only so far as to eliminate the templar members within, are we supposed to assume that all of England is controlled by them at this point, and that they're the ones oppressing the colonies? Like in AC1, both sides should have flawed leaders, but I worry it's too easy for them to just say "Yea Freedom! Death to the imperialist jerks!"
  • He's an assassin, no matter who wins the war he will be able to keep doing what he is doing, why pick sides?
  • As an American, I think the British were in the wrong, that doesn't mean I have a reason to act like the rebels were perfect beings who were motivated entirely by their selfless want to gain freedom for their people. You can make some of them bad, you can make some of the British good, I don't want to fight an army of British James Bond Villains, make them complicated, like, i don't know, real people.

Do you think the game will allow for your character to walk a fine line between the factions, or do you think you'll be forced into siding with one faction or the other?

#2 Posted by FLStyle (4581 posts) -

I assume the American Revolution is not so big of an event that the assassins and/or templars will pick one side over the other and that we'll see both American templars and British assassins.

#3 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5138 posts) -
#4 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -

According to gameinformer.

-Not all the Colonists will be cast as good people, and not all the British will be cast as evil oppressors. They're trying to focus on how both the Assassins and Templars viewpoints exist in a gray morality as the Templars really believe they're saving the world.

#5 Posted by AlexW00d (6186 posts) -

As he is, at least partly, native, I imagine he'll be killing both Englishmen and Americans. After all both parties killed the shit out of his people, and Assassin's Creed has always been about killing motherfuckers, as opposed to taking sides.

#6 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -
#7 Posted by RedRoach (1176 posts) -

The game informer article said that neither one is going to be the blatant mad group. There won't be black and white, and there will be templars on both sides.

#8 Edited by MariachiMacabre (7051 posts) -

My guess is there will be Templars and Assassins on both sides. Curiously, from the information I've read, it seems Washington is an ally of yours but historically he was a Master Mason.

#9 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5138 posts) -
#10 Posted by deathstriker666 (1337 posts) -

Hopefully

#11 Posted by MooseyMcMan (10482 posts) -

In one of the screenshots released, it looked like he was overlooking a camp filled with bandits, or at least guys who weren't wearing red coats, so I don't think they will be.

#12 Posted by Spoonman671 (4562 posts) -

I still don't know why the Templars are bad.

#13 Edited by Mikemcn (6955 posts) -

@PeasantAbuse said:

@CL60 said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

http://www.giantbomb.com/assassins-creed-iii/61-37494/game-informer-details/35-537887/#58

"Not all the Colonists will be cast as good people, and not all the British will be cast as evil oppressors. They're trying to focus on how both the Assassins and Templars viewpoints exist in a gray morality as the Templars really believe they're saving the world."

I HATE YOOOOUUUU

;)

Peasant provided a link, therefore he wins, i'm sorry.

@Jason_Bourne said:

The game informer article said that neither one is going to be the blatant mad group. There won't be black and white, and there will be templars on both sides.

It's weird they only showed him killing British footsoldiers while Washington did his dramatic voiceover, made the whole thing seem very anti-merry-old-England. I suppose they wanted an revolutionary icon (Not many people think General Howe when they think revolutionary war.)and they couldn't have Washington being all patriotic while Conner killed evil minutemen.

#14 Posted by Bwast (1342 posts) -

Just like in real life, yes.

#15 Posted by fox01313 (5061 posts) -

With so many different cultures colonizing that part of the area, it'd be easy to just jump on a boat in game & be off in some of the southern Spanish colonies, French Canada, some island in the Caribbean or just a bunch of native tribes near the US colonies.

#16 Posted by benspyda (2030 posts) -

@Spoonman671 said:

I still don't know why the Templars are bad.

I still don't understand the Assassins Creed story in general and I've played all but Revelations.

#17 Posted by CABBAGES (520 posts) -

as much as i hate being British im from Scotland and you just Said "are we supposed to assume that all of England is controlled by them at this point"

Britain is Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales.

But i hope that most of the British in the game are english and have an english accent as this will make it a lot easier and more fun to kill them all :D

#18 Posted by PeasantAbuse (5138 posts) -

@benspyda said:

@Spoonman671 said:

I still don't know why the Templars are bad.

I still don't understand the Assassins Creed story in general and I've played all but Revelations.

I think somebody eats a golden apple at one point or something.

#19 Posted by MikeGosot (3227 posts) -
@PeasantAbuse said:

@benspyda said:

@Spoonman671 said:

I still don't know why the Templars are bad.

I still don't understand the Assassins Creed story in general and I've played all but Revelations.

I think somebody eats a golden apple at one point or something.

It's all about the murder. In the past. But actually in your mind. Because DNA, or something.
#20 Posted by NickL (2246 posts) -

@Mikemcn said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

@CL60 said:

@PeasantAbuse said:

http://www.giantbomb.com/assassins-creed-iii/61-37494/game-informer-details/35-537887/#58

"Not all the Colonists will be cast as good people, and not all the British will be cast as evil oppressors. They're trying to focus on how both the Assassins and Templars viewpoints exist in a gray morality as the Templars really believe they're saving the world."

I HATE YOOOOUUUU

;)

Peasant provided a link, therefore he wins, i'm sorry.

@Jason_Bourne said:

The game informer article said that neither one is going to be the blatant mad group. There won't be black and white, and there will be templars on both sides.

It's weird they only showed him killing British footsoldiers while Washington did his dramatic voiceover, made the whole thing seem very anti-merry-old-England. I suppose they wanted an revolutionary icon (Not many people think General Howe when they think revolutionary war.)and they couldn't have Washington being all patriotic while Conner killed evil minutemen.

Washington is going to be a key character in the game, as stated in that Game Informer article.

The assassin could easily be just helping him.

#21 Posted by Dany (7887 posts) -

This isn't a game of Colonists vs. British vs. Native Americans.

This is Templar vs. Assassins.

#22 Posted by endaround (2138 posts) -

@CABBAGES said:

as much as i hate being British im from Scotland and you just Said "are we supposed to assume that all of England is controlled by them at this point"

Britain is Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales.

But i hope that most of the British in the game are english and have an english accent as this will make it a lot easier and more fun to kill them all :D

Actually there should be a ton of Hessians so like in all games Germans are the true villains.

I'm expecting a War of 1812 sequel just so Ubisoft Montreal can show Canada kicking the US's ass. The whole series has been just one big set up for that.

#23 Posted by FunExplosions (5407 posts) -

Yes, but the final boss is of course your American friend who -- turns out -- is a spy for the British. He can fly, too.

#24 Posted by EvilTwin (3324 posts) -
@FunExplosions said:

Yes, but the final boss is of course your American friend who -- turns out -- is a spy for the British. He can fly, too.

Benedict Arnold?
#25 Posted by Jimbo (9773 posts) -

The whole thing could be like... a power struggle being fought within the Templars, and the Assassin order being manipulated by what just turns out to be one group of Templars against another. It works with Washington switching sides, and he does sound a little sinister towards the end of the trailer. Maybe the King is beng Appled into further inciting the colonies into revolution by Washington's Templar bros, instead of just saying "yeah that tax thing sounds fair, lets do that". Would it be a step too far to openly portray Washington as a bad guy though? Would that reveal be too similar to the end of AC1? Maybe, but it'd also be ballsy, and pretty funny given the conclusions some are jumping to. I reckon it'll be something like that anyway. At some point the Templar vs. Assassin thing has to get a little more nuanced if they're gonna keep basing games on it.

#26 Posted by Mikemcn (6955 posts) -

@Jimbo said:

The whole thing could be like... a power struggle being fought within the Templars, and the Assassin order being manipulated by what just turns out to be one group of Templars against another. It works with Washington switching sides, and he does sound a little sinister towards the end of the trailer. Maybe the King is beng Appled into further inciting the colonies into revolution by Washington's Templar bros, instead of just saying "yeah that tax thing sounds fair, lets do that". Would it be a step too far to openly portray Washington as a bad guy though? Would that reveal be too similar to the end of AC1? Maybe, but it'd also be ballsy, and pretty funny given the conclusions some are jumping to. I reckon it'll be something like that anyway. At some point the Templar vs. Assassin thing has to get a little more nuanced if they're gonna keep basing games on it.

You can't make Washington a bad guy, by all accounts he was legitimately a good person, I would be kinda pissed if they did that, maybe if they had him under the influence of the apple or something, that could work.

@Dany said:

This isn't a game of Colonists vs. British vs. Native Americans.

This is Templar vs. Assassins.

I think it will be, they should have showed some shadowy dudes with templar crosses on their shoulders getting axed instead.

#27 Edited by Shun_Akiyama (490 posts) -

lets ask questions that no one can answer

#28 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -
@MooseyMcMan said:

In one of the screenshots released, it looked like he was overlooking a camp filled with bandits, or at least guys who weren't wearing red coats, so I don't think they will be.

Climb a tree and overlook a bandit camp under the moonlight... oh my fucking godddddddddddddd<333333333
#29 Posted by MooseyMcMan (10482 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

In one of the screenshots released, it looked like he was overlooking a camp filled with bandits, or at least guys who weren't wearing red coats, so I don't think they will be.

Climb a tree and overlook a bandit camp under the moonlight... oh my fucking godddddddddddddd<333333333

#30 Posted by Mikemcn (6955 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

In one of the screenshots released, it looked like he was overlooking a camp filled with bandits, or at least guys who weren't wearing red coats, so I don't think they will be.

Climb a tree and overlook a bandit camp under the moonlight... oh my fucking godddddddddddddd<333333333

AHHHHHHHHHHH that does sound pretty nifty.

#31 Posted by sopranosfan (1935 posts) -

Oh quit trying to placate the British, they are the bad guys and always have been. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!!!!!

#32 Posted by xyzygy (9895 posts) -

I heard you can send pigeons asking for help from the Native Canadian tribes.

#33 Edited by PenguinDust (12450 posts) -
"Benefits of a classical education."

Sure, the British have the best accent for evil. Think of all the great movie villains. What do they have in common? British accents. I think it's because we Americans feel inferior to our motherland (of sorts) and so we cast them as the bad guys in order to feel better about ourselves. The British accent (the one most Americans think of, not all the other varieties) sounds smarter than our slack-jawed corruption of the English language and so perhaps feeling a bit paranoid, it's easier to believe them to be villainous. Folks with some book-learning are always scheming something fierce, aren't they?

#34 Posted by deathstriker666 (1337 posts) -

It might cause Ubisoft some unwanted press attention if you're able to stab George Washington in the face. Still, what type of enemies you fight don't matter as long the Uh Uh Uh Uh Uh's are still deep and satisfying. Heh....

#35 Posted by LaserLambert (167 posts) -

maybe some Hessians...?

#36 Posted by Arker101 (1474 posts) -

YEAH. We flipped some tea off a boat! Suck it!

#37 Posted by Bones8677 (3210 posts) -

@PeasantAbuse said:

http://www.giantbomb.com/assassins-creed-iii/61-37494/game-informer-details/35-537887/#58

"Not all the Colonists will be cast as good people, and not all the British will be cast as evil oppressors. They're trying to focus on how both the Assassins and Templars viewpoints exist in a gray morality as the Templars really believe they're saving the world."

I admit I only played AC2 and Brotherhood, but based on those two games - the Templars seem like they want to take over the world with an iron fist. So I don't know where this "wanting to save the world" angle is coming from.

#38 Posted by Bones8677 (3210 posts) -

@PenguinDust said:

"Benefits of a classical education."

Sure, the British have the best accent for evil. Think of all the great movie villains. What do they have in common? British accents. I think it's because we Americans feel inferior to our motherland (of sorts) and so we cast them as the bad guys in order to feel better about ourselves. The British accent (the one most Americans think of, not all the other varieties) sounds smarter than our slack-jawed corruption of the English language and so perhaps feeling a bit paranoid, it's easier to believe them to be villainous. Folks with some book-learning are always scheming something fierce, aren't they?

Hans Gruber is German...

#39 Posted by daftdethmonkey (45 posts) -

I wonder why they are wasting time with more animus stuff, by the end of Revelations doesn't Desmond know everything he needs to know to fight his real enemy:

the sun, or aliens or whatever the crap it's meant to be.
#40 Posted by ShadowConqueror (3050 posts) -

The British are always the enemy.

#41 Posted by GuyIncognito (445 posts) -

@CABBAGES said:

as much as i hate being British im from Scotland and you just Said "are we supposed to assume that all of England is controlled by them at this point"

Britain is Scotland, England, Northern Ireland and Wales.

But i hope that most of the British in the game are english and have an english accent as this will make it a lot easier and more fun to kill them all :D

Man up, Scotts. Secede already!

#42 Posted by AuthenticM (3699 posts) -

@Spoonman671 said:

I still don't know why the Templars are bad.

They are trying to get the technology of the ancient civilization up and running so they can enslave humanity.

#43 Posted by mordukai (7135 posts) -

I would buy the game and come back to the AC franchisee (I haven't played an AC game in full since AC2) if they offer me the option to scalp my victims.

#44 Posted by Vorbis (2749 posts) -

For every Red Coat I'm forced to kill, I will murder 5 random colonists.

How's that for being a villain?

#45 Posted by Cabbage_TheMan (240 posts) -

@fox01313 said:

With so many different cultures colonizing that part of the area, it'd be easy to just jump on a boat in game & be off in some of the southern Spanish colonies, French Canada, some island in the Caribbean or just a bunch of native tribes near the US colonies.

That would be really cool! Maybe some expansions / sequel content. Although I would rather see a sequel go off to the French Revolution.

This Neogaf thread shows that the French and Indian War may play a huge role as well.

#46 Posted by sickVisionz (1268 posts) -

If the main guy is part Native American, you should be killing plenty of colonists as well. I mean, they did try to genocide your people. It'd be silly if you reaction to that was BFF.

#47 Posted by VisariLoyalist (2990 posts) -

should prolly go something like this

#48 Posted by jmood88 (392 posts) -

It's funny to me that this concern is popping up. You've been in the middle of a war with various countries for the previous 4 games and this "will we have to pick sides" thing was never an issue.

#49 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4637 posts) -

Hopefully we'll get to kill some Americans too.

#50 Posted by ErEl (142 posts) -

I believe the American traitors will be the primary enemies. Or at least that's the word that's going around.

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