9 year old enjoys stabbing like ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh

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#1 Edited by bigsmoke77 (788 posts) -

My parent's were recently invited by a one of their friends  to their 9 year old's birthday party where there would be parents and kids. To me that is weird enough since I'm 19 but what the hell they are good friends. So couple days after the party I asked my Mom how it went ( still laughing inside about the fact they went to a 9 year olds B party with no kid of their own) and she said it went well and she said the parents gave him Assassins Creed for a present. She then asked me if that game would be bad for him. I responded " yeah sure a mature rated game where you stab people like ugh ugh ugh is fine for a 9 year old".  I then continued to talk to her about how it really pisses me off how the video game industry gets a bad rap because parents provide kids with mature rated games. Sure maybe 16 and 15 year olds can be mature enough to play games that are rated for the ages 17 and up but there is no way a 9 year old is going to know how to properly handle the mature themes of a M rated game.
 
Do you guys have any other experiences with parents giving M rated games to their young kids and I'm I right or wrong in your opinion on 9 year olds stabbing people being bad for them? Sure you can say its none of my or your business but I am part of the community that gets hated on because of these parents actions or lack of action in regards to them not taking away mature rated game from their kids.

#2 Posted by xyzygy (9899 posts) -

I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games).

#3 Posted by Muttinus_Rump (814 posts) -
@xyzygy said:
" I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games). "
So did I. But i'm not going to let my kids play them.
#4 Posted by BraveToaster (12590 posts) -
@xyzygy said:
" I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games). "
This 
 
 Also, it's the parent's problem not yours or ours.
#5 Posted by Colin (707 posts) -

I played mature games when I was very young also but graphics are rather realistic now which I don't think young kids should see.   I think it was ok for me and others of my age as graphics back there were about as realistic as Jeff having a beard.

A bit more on topic I find it more annoying when parents give there kid a game THEN complain about the violence and what not.    If they just took one minute to actually read the back of the box or look at the big fucking rating icon on the box...

#6 Posted by Ghostiet (5228 posts) -

It is seriously an individual case. I've been playing violent games when I was around eleven or ten and my parents didn't care, since I was raised properly. My dad only restricted me on tougher topics in games and cinema, on the basis that I didn't possess enough knowledge and experience to properly understand them.

Really, it's all about individuality here.

#7 Posted by rjayb89 (7717 posts) -

I've only killed two people in my life so far after playing Killer Instinct.

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#8 Edited by damnboyadvance (4059 posts) -

Well until a certain age, I wouldn't expose my child to content like that. After that though, I understand that they are mature enough for it, and I'm ok with them playing games like those (within reason, this one may or may not border it). That age would probably be 12 or 13.
 
The real issue here is bad parenting.

#9 Posted by General_D23 (1201 posts) -

Even beyond the UH UH UH UH UH violence (which, yeah these particular games have a bunch of), there are some pretty mature themes and concepts in both Assassin's Creed games that I certainly wouldn't want to let my child get too much of until he/she was a bit older and more mature. 
 
As far as the violence goes, I'd think AC would probably also be a game I'd hold off on my kid playing. I'd be more open to Halo or such, if we were going by M rated games. 
 
But yeah, case-by-case. Some kids can handle mature themes and violence, others can't until their older.

#10 Posted by ReyGitano (2467 posts) -

I don't actually think I ever got a mature game too early as a kid. I think the earliest one was when I was 14 I got Twin Snakes. I asked my dad to buy it for me, came back later that weekend with the game and said. 
"You know that this game is rated M, for 17 or over" 
"Yeah, I know" 
"Ok"
I'm a good kid though, so I was trusted.

#11 Edited by lancer75 (87 posts) -

If the kid is raised well and/or they are naturally intelligent then I don't think them playing a Mature rated game is a problem.  If the parents of the child are negligent then it can be a problem.  As long as quality ethical and moral values are instilled in the child by either the parents or from some other source, then them playing Mature video games isn't a problem in my opinion.

#12 Posted by Dany (7887 posts) -

Hmm, wouldn't ACII be a littel complicated...don't remeber how i played when I was nine

#13 Posted by huntad (1930 posts) -

I played a lot of Mortal Kombat 2 around that age or younger, so looking at Assassin's Creed...it doesn't seem so bad now.

#14 Posted by bigsmoke77 (788 posts) -
@Dany: I'm not sure which one it was, I assume the first one because you can buy it for like 15-20 bucks, I don't think they would buy him the newer one at 50 bucks, they are not that rich but you never now.
#15 Posted by No0b0rAmA (1490 posts) -

I was 6 when I first played Diablo 2. I can say it wasn't too bad.

#16 Posted by nick_verissimo (1380 posts) -

I find it more troubling that you responded   " yeah sure a mature rated game where you stab people like UGH UGH UGH".  

#17 Posted by SteamPunkJin (1286 posts) -

It's kind of like how they spin research on drugs around. Take a simple set of facts and skew the hell out of them.
That whole Marijuana as a gate way drug is figured by asking users of Harder Drugs if they've ever used Marijuana, all of them have; instead of say, asking Marijuana users if they went on to use anything else harder. 
 
How is this relevant you might ask? 
 
Violent video games aren't the problem (then again, all of you knew that), but the kind of parents that won't pay attention to what their child is doing for entertainment - will also pay zero attention to what their child is doing to get into trouble. They will be ignorant and blissfully unaware until something big and bad happens, and then it just can't be their fault, it has to have been some outside influence...
 
There's just no common sense anymore....and we should start calling it Rare Sense.

#18 Posted by Akrid (1356 posts) -

There is really nothing wrong with being desensitized to violence, as long as you are smart enough to know that (to invoke a rather clichéd phrase) violence is not the answer.

#19 Posted by Manhattan_Project (2119 posts) -

As everyone already said, its all relative. I've been playing violent video games since I was 10 or 11.

#20 Posted by bigsmoke77 (788 posts) -
@nick_verissimo: giantbomb reference FTW
#21 Edited by altbotdos (124 posts) -

If my kid was a little less intellectually developed, or had difficulty making proper decisions frequently, I would keep them from most video games. 

#22 Posted by LiquidPrince (15850 posts) -
@xyzygy said:
" I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games). "
Lets be serious though, mature games weren't that graphic two generations ago. Hell, even PS2 generation games were rarely that graphic. Right now, everything has reached new levels of realism. Stabbing a dude in the face is not the same visceral effect as shooting something in Resident Evil 1 and seeing red squares fall out of him.
#23 Posted by natetodamax (19176 posts) -

It's actually "uh uh uh uh uh", not "ugh". Big difference in tone.

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#24 Posted by myketuna (1654 posts) -

I always felt it was up to the parents. To each their own. I'm just gonna be pretty free with it. I remember playing Mortal Kombat when I was around 5 or 6. I turned out a-OK. Games are more realistic now, but I always knew that shit was "make-believe". I'll just balance my kid out with some Super Mario Galaxy or something.

#25 Posted by CodeTherion (42 posts) -

One of the biggest things that people haven't come to terms with yet is the fact that mature games today are much worse then the ones we played as a kid. Doom was dark, gorey and turned you to a satanist right? At that time the games were so simple that they had no affect on the human psyche as everything was extremely primitive. Now take a look at the level which games have come to, feeding off history (in assassins creed's case) and mutating it into something new and in many ways more dark. Kids below a certain age shouldn't play mature games, that's the sad fact of today. However government regulation isn't the solution. It would be a much better plan if Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo added their own precautions and regulations within the hardware. In the case of Microsoft it's not hard, they are already trying to put an ever vigilant eye into your living room, might as well make use of it in some good way.

#26 Posted by Sephirdorf (16 posts) -

I've been playing violent games such as metal gear solid, command and conquer and resident evil 2 (which i had real trouble playing as i thought it was too scary) since the age of around 8 or 9. I've never had any problems with beleiving that violence in a game was anything like real life while growing up. There's some talk that games makes people not care and turn them anti-social such as the tv show super nanny doing some half assed test of making children playing violent games and seeing how they would then respond to orders. As the children disobeyed they came to the conclusion that gaming is satan's work indeed. Also the british news coverage when they said that playing manhunt made some teenager kill his friend. When it was discovered that the victim, not the killer, owned the game the news paid no attention.  People like Jack Thompson were also terrible to make these sort of claims without any true evidence. I bought Manhunt on launch when I was 13 and not once did I ever gain any sort of blood lust. Dispite this; the only coverage that is shown is bad even with people such as myself and many others having played 18 rated games at a very young age and growing up perfectly fine and happy.
I have a completely clean criminal record, was brought up to treat people well and have never acted out of pure violence or rage, dispite several shows and even countries such as Austrailia and Germany claiming I should be on my fifth killing spree by now.
#27 Posted by Genjai (300 posts) -
@bigsmoke77 said:
"ugh ugh ugh."
#28 Posted by xyzygy (9899 posts) -
@LiquidPrince said:
" @xyzygy said:
" I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games). "
Lets be serious though, mature games weren't that graphic two generations ago. Hell, even PS2 generation games were rarely that graphic. Right now, everything has reached new levels of realism. Stabbing a dude in the face is not the same visceral effect as shooting something in Resident Evil 1 and seeing red squares fall out of him. "
But this is a kids imagination we're talking about. They know what those red squares represent and in their own head, are probably thinking of more violent things than what is actually being shown. 
 
It's the same as watching someone being stabbed in a movie on less-than-Youtube quality video, then watching the same thing on Blu-Ray. Of course the quality is way better, but you still know what just happened in both cases.
#29 Edited by altbotdos (124 posts) -
@LiquidPrince said:

" @xyzygy said:

" I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games). "

Lets be serious though, mature games weren't that graphic two generations ago. Hell, even PS2 generation games were rarely that graphic. Right now, everything has reached new levels of realism. Stabbing a dude in the face is not the same visceral effect as shooting something in Resident Evil 1 and seeing red squares fall out of him. "
Good point. I have come to believe that video games also possess the capabilities of altering brain development or persistent thought, which could lead to bad things down the road, if unchecked.  
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2428437236878343763#
#30 Posted by JeffGoldblum (3701 posts) -
@Dany said:
" Hmm, wouldn't ACII be a littel complicated...don't remeber how i played when I was nine "
Any nine year old who is familiar with games could play ACII.
#31 Posted by VilhelmNielsen (1734 posts) -

I've been playing mature games since I was 8, and I'm totally fine. Me and my butcher knife don't have any problems.

#32 Posted by teh_pwnzorer (1482 posts) -

I watched "Taxi Driver" when I was <10 years old. ...  Maybe, that explains something...

#33 Posted by habster3 (3595 posts) -
@LiquidPrince said:
" @xyzygy said:
" I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games). "
Lets be serious though, mature games weren't that graphic two generations ago. Hell, even PS2 generation games were rarely that graphic. Right now, everything has reached new levels of realism. Stabbing a dude in the face is not the same visceral effect as shooting something in Resident Evil 1 and seeing red squares fall out of him. "
Yeah; M games are a lot more extreme now than ever before. Honestly, I wouldn't let a 9 year old play this; maybe a 12-13 year old, but not a 9 year old.
#34 Posted by Gargantuan (1881 posts) -
@No0b0rAmA said:
" I was 6 when I first played Diablo 2. I can say it wasn't too bad. "
I think I was around 9 years old when I first played Diablo 2. Andariel was scary the first time I met her. ;)
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#35 Posted by LiquidPrince (15850 posts) -
@xyzygy said:
" @LiquidPrince said:
" @xyzygy said:
" I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games). "
Lets be serious though, mature games weren't that graphic two generations ago. Hell, even PS2 generation games were rarely that graphic. Right now, everything has reached new levels of realism. Stabbing a dude in the face is not the same visceral effect as shooting something in Resident Evil 1 and seeing red squares fall out of him. "
But this is a kids imagination we're talking about. They know what those red squares represent and in their own head, are probably thinking of more violent things than what is actually being shown.  It's the same as watching someone being stabbed in a movie on less-than-Youtube quality video, then watching the same thing on Blu-Ray. Of course the quality is way better, but you still know what just happened in both cases. "
Right, but that doesn't really matter. Knowing that someone is getting their head cut off, and viscerally seeing the head get cut off aren't the same thing. You can imagine someone in the real world getting executed, but actually seeing a video of it up close is no where near the same. Same thing with games; you might get the idea, but actually seeing it in realistic fashion is not the same.
#36 Posted by jschmoe (141 posts) -
@Muttinus_Rump said:
" @xyzygy said:
" I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games). "
So did I. But i'm not going to let my kids play them. "
Why?  I'm honestly curious.  I mean, there could be a bunch of valid reasons - they may not be able to handle it, they may scare easily, they already have violent tendencies that are easily sparked... You didn't give a reason, so for now I'll assume that  your kids are much like you.  If you could handle mature games, why couldn't your kids?  I'm not going to go on a big rant, but I find a lot of parents don't allow their kids to do something that they themselves did, all without a valid reason.  If mature games screwed you up, I understand.  If your kids aren't as mature as you were at the same age, I understand.  But if they're as mature as you were, what is the problem?   What is the harm?
#37 Posted by ch3burashka (5017 posts) -

It's simply preparing him for the post-apocalyptic future, when "uh uh uh uh uh" face-and-neck stabbing will become a very useful skill.

#38 Posted by Muttinus_Rump (814 posts) -
@jschmoe said:
" @Muttinus_Rump said:
" @xyzygy said:
" I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games). "
So did I. But i'm not going to let my kids play them. "
Why?  I'm honestly curious.  I mean, there could be a bunch of valid reasons - they may not be able to handle it, they may scare easily, they already have violent tendencies that are easily sparked... You didn't give a reason, so for now I'll assume that  your kids are much like you.  If you could handle mature games, why couldn't your kids?  I'm not going to go on a big rant, but I find a lot of parents don't allow their kids to do something that they themselves did, all without a valid reason.  If mature games screwed you up, I understand.  If your kids aren't as mature as you were at the same age, I understand.  But if they're as mature as you were, what is the problem?   What is the harm? "
My parents had no idea what they were buying me, they assumed all video games were for kids because it's a thing that kids do. I came out alright, I might have come out better, I might have come out worse without mature videogames, it doesn't matter. The point is, I thought the rules didn't apply to me when I was younger but now I realise that I shouldn't have been playing that shit. It doesn't matter if I came out good in the end, I don't want my kids playing Grand Theft Auto 8 when they're 10.
#39 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19308 posts) -

I had no problem playing violent games at an early age.  If your kid is some kind of psychopath who's mind could get altered by watching movies or playing video games with some violence in it then sure, you should prevent that child from watching those movies/playing those games.  I don't think it's okay to let a normal child watch a movie that has a more intense psychological effect like Saw, but I'd have no problems at all with letting a stable minded 9-year-old play Assassin's Creed II.

#40 Posted by schizogony (974 posts) -

Games didn't have ratings when I was a wee lad.

#41 Edited by Bionicicide (1213 posts) -

Children need to understand fantasy and reality. I played Mortal Kombat when I was 11. My test to my child, "Do you think Superman is a real person?" I was asked that when I was 8 and I laughed and said no and asked if any kids thought that, the adult said yes.

#42 Posted by xyzygy (9899 posts) -
@Muttinus_Rump said:
" @jschmoe said:
" @Muttinus_Rump said:
" @xyzygy said:
" I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games). "
So did I. But i'm not going to let my kids play them. "
Why?  I'm honestly curious.  I mean, there could be a bunch of valid reasons - they may not be able to handle it, they may scare easily, they already have violent tendencies that are easily sparked... You didn't give a reason, so for now I'll assume that  your kids are much like you.  If you could handle mature games, why couldn't your kids?  I'm not going to go on a big rant, but I find a lot of parents don't allow their kids to do something that they themselves did, all without a valid reason.  If mature games screwed you up, I understand.  If your kids aren't as mature as you were at the same age, I understand.  But if they're as mature as you were, what is the problem?   What is the harm? "
My parents had no idea what they were buying me, they assumed all video games were for kids because it's a thing that kids do. I came out alright, I might have come out better, I might have come out worse without mature videogames, it doesn't matter. The point is, I thought the rules didn't apply to me when I was younger but now I realise that I shouldn't have been playing that shit. It doesn't matter if I came out good in the end, I don't want my kids playing Grand Theft Auto 8 when they're 10. "
If you don't restrict kids in that sense while they're young, they won't feel the need to rebel or whatever when they're older. Trust me, I grew up with some friends all through elementary school to high school and even into college so I can look back to when we were 5 and see the whole thing.  
 
This one girl I know, let's call her B, as a kid her and her sister were always restricted with what they can do. I was friends with her, she was really really smart in school (smartest in my class), always got into the science fair, etc. But everything she did her mom had restriction, like I said. She even had an N64, then a Gamecube, and was only allowed on it an hour a day. (I know this because I would sometimes go over to her place as a kid when I didn't have a Gamecube.) She was only allowed games like Wave Race, Pikmin, Mario Sunshine, basically cutesy games. 
 
Anyway, now she is a huge slut, along with her sister, they live in the city and have so many problems it's ridiculous. There's a same story for another girl and another guy in my elementary class. 
 
So, personally, I think it's better to let all this stuff out of your kids while they're young and let them get whatever they want out of their system before it builds.
#43 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8698 posts) -

Few years back I was an intern at the local gamestore.
A granny buys GTA San Andreas, for her grandson's birthday who was becoming 13.
So I explained to her what the game was about and generally be a good cashier with the gamers age in mind but she wouldn't have none of it.
 
Sure enough she comes back the day after, threatening to sue the store for selling such a violent game to a minor...
You bought it for your grandson while you were advised it's not a game for kids, as the rating suggested.
Meh, people.

#44 Posted by Druminator (1676 posts) -

No but my 3 year old nephew loves when I play violent games. I had to give it up when he's around because he seems to imitate stuff. Even when I play Skate he jumps around like he's bailing haha. But I set up the SNES and 64 for him so now the only violence he sees is Goldeneye. I hate when parents give spoiled kids M rated games because not only does it make the kid an even bigger brat but it makes online so annoying.

#45 Posted by Jack268 (3387 posts) -

I've played games for 16+ since I was 9 and I'm fine. 
 
But I like stabbing food like uh uh uh uh uh

#46 Posted by Muttinus_Rump (814 posts) -
@xyzygy: I know plenty of people who didn't play mature videogames when they were kids. Hell, most people I know didn't play videogames at all. And they're fine. So you're saying a 10 year old should actually be encouraged to play GTA? Fucking ridiculous.
#47 Posted by Raymayne (1226 posts) -
@xyzygy said:
" I played Mature games as a kid and it's no big deal. Really, this whole thing is being taken out of proportion (i'm talking about that new vote on violent games). "
That
#48 Posted by xyzygy (9899 posts) -
@Muttinus_Rump said:
" @xyzygy: I know plenty of people who didn't play mature videogames when they were kids. Hell, most people I know didn't play videogames at all. And they're fine. So you're saying a 10 year old should actually be encouraged to play GTA? Fucking ridiculous. "
That's not what I said at all. I said to let kids do what they want and that way they can have an outlet for their imagination at an early age. I said nothing about encouraging them to play violent games. If a kid doesn't like to play video games, that's fine, but it's totally irrelevant to what I'm saying. 
#49 Posted by ajamafalous (11863 posts) -

I've played M rated games since I was ~8.
 
 
Censorship is fucking stupid.

#50 Posted by dudeglove (7688 posts) -
@Manhattan_Project said:
" As everyone already said, its all relative. I've been playing violent video games since I was 10 or 11. "
AND WE HAVE ALL GROWN UP TO BE WELL-ROUNDED INDIVIDUALS, RIGHT?!

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