Assassin’s Creed III DLC Has Evil George Washington

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#101 Posted by JZ (2125 posts) -

Bad-ass

#102 Posted by Gamer_152 (14051 posts) -

Not really sure I get the whole "Evil Washington" angle, but glad to see someone posted that YouTube video in here.

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#103 Posted by RagingLion (1363 posts) -

@xaveri said:

So, no DLC for PC?

#104 Posted by Gscept (6 posts) -

Im jumping on these Bandwagon QUICK!!! Ubisoft is Beast

#105 Posted by sodacat (214 posts) -

@Edmundus said:

This is actually a very interesting concept for an alt-history DLC, as a few people whispered suggestions that it would make for a stronger America to have Washington as its king, and later many feared that he would become a monarch in all but name once he became president.

He was too noble to consider that of course, but he was an excellent political player, and so that makes the scenario of 'what if he was evil' potentially very fun.

The concept of the Americas having a king was even seriously considered. We didn't break away from England because of the king, we did it because we had to voice in the government. If the US had split federal power between a king and congress that would have solved the revolutionaries' complaints and showed that the US is a proper European style nation and not a band of rabble rousers.

#106 Edited by nERVEcenter (162 posts) -

@Animasta said:

I am american, and as Americans it is our duty to recognize that Washington was an asshole. yes, he founded our country, that's all well and good, but come on.

I don't want to assume you're as bad of a person as this statement makes you out to be, but I'll just chalk it up to ignorance

His military strategies put an emphasis on morale. He immediately resigned from the military at the close of the war rather than exercise any sort of control. He advocated US neutrality over holding grudges or immediately adopting stances that could threaten safety and stability in such a nation in its infancy. His dissatisfaction with the Articles of Confederation led to his spearheading the creation of the Constitution. His vehement disapproval of lavish royal titles for the country's elected chief executive and subsequent avoidance of the issue led to the finalization of the Title of Nobility Clause and the almost exclusive use of the simple term "Mr. President." The rest of the Framers simply assumed he would be the first president, and he was elected in a walkover. He served his second term reluctantly and refused a third. His final will freed all of his slaves.

There's a reason he continues to inspire people even outside the borders of the United States, though I'm sure you're unaware. Almost no revolutionary leader in history has demonstrated as much restraint and good judgment as he did.

#107 Posted by Jakobi (20 posts) -

Get ready for Fox News outrage in 3....2....1....

#108 Posted by Nephrahim (1116 posts) -

@Jakobi said:

Get ready for Fox News outrage in 3....2....1....

I'd say that's crazy (I've read a book about time travelers giving AK-47's to the south during the Civil war for eff's sake.) but Whenever I think that I'm surprised by what they'll pick a fight about.

Hopefully real presidential politics will keep their attention.

#109 Posted by clank543 (93 posts) -

cool idea. I'm definitely up for playing something like this. That concept art sure is awesome.

#110 Posted by courage_wolf (206 posts) -

@Jakobi said:

Get ready for Fox News outrage in 3....2....1....

No way, its going to be delayed several months like their Mass Effect is porn coverage.

#111 Posted by Terramagi (1159 posts) -

Also, I really hope this "oh it's alternate timelines" is bullshit damage control, because I'm like, 95% sure that Washington is canonically an Abstergo ancestor.

Also, not gonna lie, that would've been the perfect final boss. Get to the end of the Revolution, oh shit George Washington has declared himself God Emperor of Mankind, time to have a fistfight on top of the roof of the White House.

#112 Posted by Eyz (451 posts) -

Alright, I'll be gladly missing it.

(come on people, don' just buy DLC to "buy DLC", do it only if you want to! plus non-canonical so not like you're missing some pages in a book..)

#113 Posted by adam1808 (1359 posts) -

I support this endeavour. Recently met a 3D artist working on the game and he refused to tell about a few very specific character designs he was working on. Hopefully there's more alternate-history DLC on the way. When the content is good I'll put down money for it.

#114 Posted by ZmillA (2257 posts) -

That sounds great. I'm glad I like the AC series.

#115 Posted by Viking_Funeral (1727 posts) -

Huh. I feel like I should be offended, but I'm not. Moving on, then...

#116 Posted by SathingtonWaltz (2053 posts) -

@nERVEcenter said:

@Animasta said:

I am american, and as Americans it is our duty to recognize that Washington was an asshole. yes, he founded our country, that's all well and good, but come on.

I don't want to assume you're as bad of a person as this statement makes you out to be, but I'll just chalk it up to ignorance

His military strategies put an emphasis on morale. He immediately resigned from the military at the close of the war rather than exercise any sort of control. He advocated US neutrality over holding grudges or immediately adopting stances that could threaten safety and stability in such a nation in its infancy. His dissatisfaction with the Articles of Confederation led to his spearheading the creation of the Constitution. His vehement disapproval of lavish royal titles for the country's elected chief executive and subsequent avoidance of the issue led to the finalization of the Title of Nobility Clause and the almost exclusive use of the simple term "Mr. President." The rest of the Framers simply assumed he would be the first president, and he was elected in a walkover. He served his second term reluctantly and refused a third. His final will freed all of his slaves.

There's a reason he continues to inspire people even outside the borders of the United States, though I'm sure you're unaware. Almost no revolutionary leader in history has demonstrated as much restraint and good judgment as he did.

This. By just about every historical account we have, Washington was a very noble and honorable man. Granted, he wasn't the greatest general, but his leadership alone made up for it (and some luck helped). Sure he owned slaves but even they were treated well, and Washington took great pleasure in managing his plantations, even working in the fields himself quite often.

#117 Posted by SpartanHoplite (384 posts) -

ugh, DLC, well, is it even out on PC ?

#118 Posted by gbrading (1984 posts) -

George I of the United States. Doesn't sound too implausible.

Evidently there will have to be an evil George Washington throwdown between ACIII and BioShock Infinite (BioShock has robot George Washington).

#119 Posted by fetchfox (1217 posts) -

Oh this sounds wicked. Best ACIII news I could get.

#120 Posted by Terramagi (1159 posts) -

@SathingtonWaltz said:

@nERVEcenter said:

@Animasta said:

I am american, and as Americans it is our duty to recognize that Washington was an asshole. yes, he founded our country, that's all well and good, but come on.

I don't want to assume you're as bad of a person as this statement makes you out to be, but I'll just chalk it up to ignorance

His military strategies put an emphasis on morale. He immediately resigned from the military at the close of the war rather than exercise any sort of control. He advocated US neutrality over holding grudges or immediately adopting stances that could threaten safety and stability in such a nation in its infancy. His dissatisfaction with the Articles of Confederation led to his spearheading the creation of the Constitution. His vehement disapproval of lavish royal titles for the country's elected chief executive and subsequent avoidance of the issue led to the finalization of the Title of Nobility Clause and the almost exclusive use of the simple term "Mr. President." The rest of the Framers simply assumed he would be the first president, and he was elected in a walkover. He served his second term reluctantly and refused a third. His final will freed all of his slaves.

There's a reason he continues to inspire people even outside the borders of the United States, though I'm sure you're unaware. Almost no revolutionary leader in history has demonstrated as much restraint and good judgment as he did.

This. By just about every historical account we have, Washington was a very noble and honorable man. Granted, he wasn't the greatest general, but his leadership alone made up for it (and some luck helped). Sure he owned slaves but even they were treated well, and Washington took great pleasure in managing his plantations, even working in the fields himself quite often.

Yes, yes, he couldn't tell a lie and chopped down a cherry tree with his dick, we've all read George's 10 Commendments.

#121 Posted by TheVampireBoy (85 posts) -

Gonna get my blade sharpened. I got some colonial blood to spill.

#122 Posted by Gabriel (4055 posts) -

How fucking lazy.

#123 Posted by DrMadHatten (118 posts) -

Although I love alternative historical ideas, as a teacher, I'm afraid of things like this. I've got a student who literally believes there are transformers on the moon. That's why we haven't gone back...

#124 Posted by JasonR86 (9587 posts) -

@Gabriel said:

How fucking lazy.

Yep.

#125 Posted by BirdkeeperDan (400 posts) -

I'm not even American and even I think that is pretty disrespectful. George Washington is one the greatest men in all history: good things will not come from portraying him as evil. This is gonna get a lot of bad press.

#126 Posted by Marcsman (3094 posts) -

This tops the Pope fight.

#127 Posted by Jedted (2317 posts) -

Sounds kinda like the Force Unleashed DLC where you play as Dark Starkiller.

#128 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

Evil G-Wash looks dope.

#129 Posted by papercut (3435 posts) -

I like the idea of Assassins Creed DLC just being Time Cop cases.

#130 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

@DrMadHatten said:

I've got a student who literally believes there are transformers on the moon.

I assume you're a teacher in a special school.

#131 Posted by ComradeKhan (687 posts) -
@SomeDeliCook said:

@gregoryc said:

@SomeDeliCook: While I agree with you entirely, I hope you're not one to think "Why don't they just put this [DLC] into the game before release?" type of player. This type of thing is primarily to dissuade players from trading the game in - and therefore hurt the used game market. I don't love DLC as much when it's laid out to the public like this (season passes blah blah blah) but I understand where the publishers and developers are coming from with the decision.

Im one of those people that would rather they at least not mention DLC around the games release and try to act like they totally didn't plan some from the start

... but they did plan it from the start... so why should they keep a secret?... Why is it a bad thing for them to go ahead and let you know whats going to be available to you?
#132 Posted by ComradeKhan (687 posts) -
@SamDrugbringer said:

@Animasta: No.... The Sullivan Expedition was directed against the natives who sided with the British though there may have been collateral damage.

Most natives did side with the British, because they were hoping to stop the colonists from expanding farther west. Who knows what would have happened if the British won though, it may have been better for them, or not.

The British would have annihilated the Natives American anyway... lets be honest.
#133 Posted by nERVEcenter (162 posts) -

@Terramagi: Maybe you can dig up some dirt on Mr. Washington to back up that snide sarcasm.

#134 Posted by SathingtonWaltz (2053 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@SathingtonWaltz said:

@nERVEcenter said:

@Animasta said:

I am american, and as Americans it is our duty to recognize that Washington was an asshole. yes, he founded our country, that's all well and good, but come on.

I don't want to assume you're as bad of a person as this statement makes you out to be, but I'll just chalk it up to ignorance

His military strategies put an emphasis on morale. He immediately resigned from the military at the close of the war rather than exercise any sort of control. He advocated US neutrality over holding grudges or immediately adopting stances that could threaten safety and stability in such a nation in its infancy. His dissatisfaction with the Articles of Confederation led to his spearheading the creation of the Constitution. His vehement disapproval of lavish royal titles for the country's elected chief executive and subsequent avoidance of the issue led to the finalization of the Title of Nobility Clause and the almost exclusive use of the simple term "Mr. President." The rest of the Framers simply assumed he would be the first president, and he was elected in a walkover. He served his second term reluctantly and refused a third. His final will freed all of his slaves.

There's a reason he continues to inspire people even outside the borders of the United States, though I'm sure you're unaware. Almost no revolutionary leader in history has demonstrated as much restraint and good judgment as he did.

This. By just about every historical account we have, Washington was a very noble and honorable man. Granted, he wasn't the greatest general, but his leadership alone made up for it (and some luck helped). Sure he owned slaves but even they were treated well, and Washington took great pleasure in managing his plantations, even working in the fields himself quite often.

Yes, yes, he couldn't tell a lie and chopped down a cherry tree with his dick, we've all read George's 10 Commendments.

Oh please, this is just childish. Feel free to offer up any reasons as to why the man shouldn't be admired.

#135 Posted by SathingtonWaltz (2053 posts) -

@DrMadHatten said:

Although I love alternative historical ideas, as a teacher, I'm afraid of things like this. I've got a student who literally believes there are transformers on the moon. That's why we haven't gone back...

Ugh, fellow teacher here. I've had the pleasure of having over half my freshmen not know that the Titanic was an actual event, not just a movie.

#136 Posted by oraknabo (1453 posts) -

It's Templar impostor Adam Weishaupt, obviously.

#137 Posted by King_of_Winter (12 posts) -

Its going to be a hell of a boss fight.

#138 Posted by FrankieFigs (11 posts) -

This is not very appealing to me. Depicting one of our greatest heroes as an evil power hungry monarch doesn't seem like a great direction to take with DLC, or anything else for that matter. I understand that it is an alternate take (why not just expand on the actual canon?), but it still sounds ridiculous even for Assassins Creed standards.

#139 Posted by Strife777 (1490 posts) -

I love people being offended by this. Come the fuck on... Maybe it's because I'm not from the US, but I doubt it. I think this is a fun idea.

#140 Posted by Dryker (490 posts) -

The alternate American history sounds interesting. My only gripe would be that I kind of use Assassin's Creed as an interactive history book/research. I'll have to shift perspectives while playing this... no biggy.

#141 Posted by MeatSim (10741 posts) -

Looks like George Washington can tell a lie.

#142 Posted by SomeDeliCook (2203 posts) -

@ComradeKhan said:

@SomeDeliCook said:

@gregoryc said:

@SomeDeliCook: While I agree with you entirely, I hope you're not one to think "Why don't they just put this [DLC] into the game before release?" type of player. This type of thing is primarily to dissuade players from trading the game in - and therefore hurt the used game market. I don't love DLC as much when it's laid out to the public like this (season passes blah blah blah) but I understand where the publishers and developers are coming from with the decision.

Im one of those people that would rather they at least not mention DLC around the games release and try to act like they totally didn't plan some from the start

... but they did plan it from the start... so why should they keep a secret?... Why is it a bad thing for them to go ahead and let you know whats going to be available to you?

I hate when DLC gets announced for a game that isn't even out yet. Let me play the fucking game before you try to entice me with even more content that will have a price tag. It almost makes it feel like your game will now be inferior because you won't get the super huge nuclear machine gun or get to play as a walking statue of liberty that throws fireballs and instead you'll just get the 'vanilla' game.

I hate it. Wait until the game is released.

#143 Posted by Hashbrowns (649 posts) -

@Dryker said:

The alternate American history sounds interesting. My only gripe would be that I kind of use Assassin's Creed as an interactive history book/research. I'll have to shift perspectives while playing this... no biggy.

I trust that's a little bit of hyperbole. It's all dramatized and/or fictionalized to some degree beyond just the obvious Assassin/Templar premise. And it's the subtle tweaks they make to history that are much more important than the more blatant ones.

The same mindset you need to have while playing the alternate-history DLC is the exact same mindset with which you should approach the main game. Never take history-based entertainment at face value.

#144 Edited by Palaeomerus (353 posts) -

Sorry, I already bought the season pass for Borderlands II (and after Saint's Row III I was hesitant). I may not even buy Assassin's Creed III. I think I might rather get Dishonored and the XCOM remake instead. Halo 4 is giving out months worth of coop DLC with cut scenes for free.

#145 Posted by Palaeomerus (353 posts) -

I want a mission where I have to disguise myself as Polio and cripple FDR and later disguise my self as a stroke and fatally damage his brain. Then I have to go back in time and stop Teddy Roosevelt from killing off all the mummies in his undead hunting safaris. Finally you have to kick the British out of the Suez canal just after WW2 with magic boots made from a bad copy of the ten commandments by masonic robots for Ancient Snake Boss and the proto philosophers. The mission ends with you realizing that there is no animus, your name isn't Desmond, that you are in jail for not paying child support, and that you've spent the last three days really high because you volunteered for marijuana usage experiments being performed by the state you are in to eventually be used as background for a health study.

#146 Posted by Viking_Funeral (1727 posts) -

@Palaeomerus said:

I want a mission where I have to disguise myself as Polio and cripple FDR and later disguise my self as a stroke and fatally damage his brain. Then I have to go back in time and stop Teddy Roosevelt from killing off all the mummies in his undead hunting safaris. Finally you have to kick the British out of the Suez canal just after WW2 with magic boots made from a bad copy of the ten commandments by masonic robots for Ancient Snake Boss and the proto philosophers. The mission ends with you realizing that there is no animus, your name isn't Desmond, that you are in jail for not paying child support, and that you've spent the last three days really high because you volunteered for marijuana usage experiments being performed by the state you are in to eventually be used as background for a health study.

Damn it, he discovered the ending! Quick, do a rewrite.

#147 Posted by living4theday258 (678 posts) -

@Kosayn said:

...your move, Bioshock Infinite.

my thoughts exactley

#148 Edited by ComradeKhan (687 posts) -
@SomeDeliCook said:

@ComradeKhan said:

I hate when DLC gets announced for a game that isn't even out yet. Let me play the fucking game before you try to entice me with even more content that will have a price tag. It almost makes it feel like your game will now be inferior because you won't get the super huge nuclear machine gun or get to play as a walking statue of liberty that throws fireballs and instead you'll just get the 'vanilla' game.

I hate it. Wait until the game is released.

Once again, they are just letting you know whats going to be available since they already know what the DLC is there is no point in keeping it a secret. I'm sorry you hate it, but you better get used to it.
#149 Posted by chrismafuchris (1088 posts) -

How for this play at historically? Does this assume the Articles of Confederation never happened, and Washington seized the reins in 1781, instead of retiring? Or did he wait until 1788, when he was president, to assume his despotic role?

#150 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7039 posts) -
@chrismafuchris
How for this play at historically? Does this assume the Articles of Confederation never happened, and Washington seized the reins in 1781, instead of retiring? Or did he wait until 1788, when he was president, to assume his despotic role?
My guess is they never get too deep into it. But I hope it's just Washington saying " fuck it! I'm King now." after the Whiskey Rebellion.

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