Morally bankrupt DLC. Asura's Wrath real ending for $7

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#1 Posted by Metal_Mills (2999 posts) -
http://www.giantbomb.com/observe-this-towering-stack-of-asuras-wrath-dlc/17-5817/
 
I thought this might be worth a forum discussion rather than just on the comments. Now there have been bad DLC before. On the disc, should have been in the game, half-arsed but I can't think of a game that has the actual ending as DLC. Yeah there is ME3 but that was because of fan reactions, there still IS an ending even if it sucks. This isn't just adding a bit of extra, this game is left with a cliff hanger for you to pay for money. Even worse is they use it as a selling point. Am I the only one who thinks this is too far?
#2 Posted by YI_Orange (1148 posts) -

Is it worse than a direct sequel for 60 dollars?

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#3 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11061 posts) -

I think it's unfair to say the ME3 one is because of fan reactions. It's too early to tell for sure, but I'm almost positive they were planning that well before the game was released. I would also argue that ME3 also ends on a cliffhanger, but that's a discussion for another thread.

Either way, this is a terrible practice, and the fact that it's happening to two games within a relatively short period of time (one of which is one of the biggest releases of the year) is unsettling.

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#4 Posted by Ace829 (2083 posts) -

Between Final Fantasy XIII-2, Mass Effect 3, and now this, good video game endings are hard to come by.

#5 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4759 posts) -

@Ace829 said:

Between Final Fantasy XIII-2, Mass Effect 3, and now this, good video game endings are hard to come by.

Huh? The FFXIII-2 ending was fantastic.

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#6 Posted by Metal_Mills (2999 posts) -
@YI_Orange said:

Is it worse than a direct sequel for 60 dollars?

Yes. That's a separate product.
#7 Posted by TentPole (1858 posts) -

This DLC is cheap and looks great.

Also I do not see why this needs a separate forum post.

#8 Posted by Enigma777 (6073 posts) -

POP had it's ending as DLC. It was gross.

#9 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -

Even calling it the "True ending" In DLC is kinda bull shitty. All most makes it sound like they are admitting to releasing a unfinished game. 

#10 Edited by Dallas_Raines (2161 posts) -

@GunslingerPanda said:

@Ace829 said:

Between Final Fantasy XIII-2, Mass Effect 3, and now this, good video game endings are hard to come by.

Huh? The FFXIII-2 ending was fantastic.

Yeah, it was cool, but it also wasn't any kind of conclusion. I don't actually have a problem with good cliffhanger endings, though.(but I do have a problem with holding off the last hour of content so you can sell it a month after release.)

#11 Posted by Demoskinos (14851 posts) -

Doesn't bother me. The real question is if the content they sell you for $60 was worth it and if it wasn't then don't buy it. If you are satisfied....then either buy the extra DLC or don't. I don't have the effort in me to get all nerd ragey about this stuff anymore. Either I buy something or I don't.

#12 Posted by VelourMustache (54 posts) -

@YI_Orange said:

Is it worse than a direct sequel for 60 dollars?

Totally this. Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood literally picks up immediately where Assassin's Creed 2 left off. The endings of both Asura's Wrath and Assassin's Creed 2 are actually pretty comparable too. The difference is that you get to pay a couple of bucks to get the rest of the story with Asura's Wrath and (at the time) another $60 plus a year of waiting from AC2 to Brotherhood.

What's the beef?

#13 Edited by Mnemoidian (955 posts) -

Are episodic games morally corrupt too?

Also:

Was the core game good? Yes. Did it end on a cliffhanger? Kind of. Did I expect DLC? Not really, considering how poorly it's been reported selling. Will I buy it? Not sure, I'll probably get the first one, because that's the part of the story I was the most curious. Rest depends on how busy I am at release dates.

I do wish people would stop being so bloody offended about cool additional content to cool games. Would be so much better if there was no DLC at all, for any game, am I right?

#14 Posted by xyzygy (9998 posts) -

I think it's stupid. Not because of the cliffhanger ending, but the fact that whoever developed/published the game has the intentions of clutching on to you in hope that you'll spend more money just to complete the experience.

#15 Posted by Metal_Mills (2999 posts) -
@VelourMustache said:

@YI_Orange said:

Is it worse than a direct sequel for 60 dollars?

Totally this. Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood literally picks up immediately where Assassin's Creed 2 left off. The endings of both Asura's Wrath and Assassin's Creed 2 are actually pretty comparable too. The difference is that you get to pay a couple of bucks to get the rest of the story with Asura's Wrath and (at the time) another $60 plus a year of waiting from AC2 to Brotherhood.

What's the beef?

Because one is a full fledged continuation? That's like saying "What's the point of Empire and Jedi when I could just watch a 10 minute short clip that says how the rebels beat the empire?"
#16 Posted by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

I like how most of the people who are crying foul about this haven't played the game, while most of the people who have no problem with it have finished it.

The game lends itself well to this kind of additional content due to the episodic nature of the game and the fact that Asura's Wrath stands well on it's own as a piece of software. By the time you've finished that game, you do not feel like you've gotten an incomplete product. At least I didn't.

I finished the game earlier today and I'm bloody giddy about this announcement seeing as I want more Asura's Wrath and a sequel is quite a long shot.

And yeah

@TentPole said:

Also I do not see why this needs a separate forum post.

This

#17 Posted by iAmJohn (6120 posts) -

I'm usually on the side of "fuck this shit," but I haven't played Asura's Wrath. Did it have a good ending? Did it feel like there was enough closure even if they left some things open? If so, I don't see why it would matter that they've made DLC to extend the ending. It might not be necessary to having what feels like a "complete" experience and I'm fine with that. It's why I'm not bothered that Ubisoft did the Prince of Persia 2008's Epilogue DLC - aside from the fact that it was kind of terrible, adding on to the ending did nothing to cheapen my experience with the game since I personally loved that ending and didn't need more to it (never mind the fact that the Epilogue clarified and continued absolutely nothing).

But again, I don't know. Maybe the ending to Asura's Wrath is lamer than I Am Alive's non-ending. You guys tell me.

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#18 Edited by Metal_Mills (2999 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:

I'm usually on the side of "fuck this shit," but I haven't played Asura's Wrath. Did it have a good ending? Did it feel like there was enough closure even if they left some things open?

Brad said it was a cliffhanger that then continued on to a bigger cliffhanger.
#19 Edited by GlenTennis (3145 posts) -

@Metal_Mills said:

@YI_Orange said:

Is it worse than a direct sequel for 60 dollars?

Yes. That's a separate product.

How is it worse? Imagine the game was 16 episodes, 15 dollars for every 4 episodes. This is just the 5th batch of episodes for 8 dollars? It's a fraction of the game for a fraction of the price, seems perfectly reasonable to me.

#20 Posted by RenMcKormack (1074 posts) -

im about to BURST with excitement for more asura;s wrath dumb stuff. It depends right. Its not automatically bad. Seven bucks for more fun stuff sounds OK, if its fun.

#21 Posted by Cheesebob (1237 posts) -

This is my opinion:

#22 Posted by VelourMustache (54 posts) -

@Metal_Mills: Let me fix your analogy: That's like saying, "What's the point of Empire and Jedi when I could watch a 40 minute direct-to-video release for a tenth the cost of a movie ticket because there's no way in shit George Lucas would get the funding to make full-length sequels since nobody went and saw Star Wars."

And, functionally, what's the difference? Luke's story had two more movies worth of story to tell. Asura's Wrath had four more chapters.

Fact: The main plot of Asura's Wrath (which I won't spoil here) was wrapped up in the main game. Something else was alluded to only at the very end. If you decided you had enough of the game and didn't bother doing the "true" last chapter, a rehash of the original final chapter with two extra minutes, you would not be left unsatisfied. They opened the door to the additional material but they firmly closed it on the main events of the story on the disc.

I get it. They probably could have fit the rest of the story onto the disc. You know what, though, they didn't but the DLC is about 10% the price of the full game with about 20% more additional content.

#23 Posted by fRAWRst (236 posts) -

Lol what

do you know what Asuras Wrath is? This is more of it. Its Japanese so they call it "the true ending".

yknow

like anime

#24 Posted by babblinmule (1262 posts) -

@Metal_Mills said:

@iAmJohn said:

I'm usually on the side of "fuck this shit," but I haven't played Asura's Wrath. Did it have a good ending? Did it feel like there was enough closure even if they left some things open?

Brad said it was a cliffhanger that then continued on to a bigger cliffhanger.

I finished it about 20 minutes ago (beat it then decided to hop on the forums), and I didnt really see how it was a cliffhanger. Almost all of the plot strings were neatly tied up.

Then again I haven't done the 'true ending' yet, so that may be a cliffhanger.

#25 Posted by Nekroskop (2786 posts) -

I saw it coming a mile away. Shame on you, Capcom.

#26 Edited by Venatio (4491 posts) -

So can someone fill me in on the what Bioware is doing with the ME3 ending because I'm midway through the game right now and I'm terrified of spoilers and I've avoided all articles

So without spoiling anything, are the gonna do DLC? A patch?

Asking since some people brought it up here

#27 Posted by Mnemoidian (955 posts) -

@Venatio: Asura's Wrath forum is kind of the wrong place, I guess...

But no one knows. Bioware will make a post about it "in april".

#28 Posted by Dallas_Raines (2161 posts) -

@fRAWRst said:

Lol what

do you know what Asuras Wrath is? This is more of it. Its Japanese so they call it "the true ending".

yknow

like anime

So this is the OVA of Asura's Wrath?

#29 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Venatio said:

So can someone fill me in on the what Bioware is doing with the ME3 ending because I'm midway through the game right now and I'm terrified of spoilers and I've avoided all articles

So without spoiling anything, are the gonna do DLC? A patch?

Asking since some people brought it up here

No one has said anything. For now the ending stays. BUT there was a contest to write up a better ending and someone won it. Rumors of a DLC called "The truth" Coming out are also being tossed about. But there is no OFFICIAL word as of now. 
#30 Posted by Turambar (6786 posts) -
@iAmJohn said:

I'm usually on the side of "fuck this shit," but I haven't played Asura's Wrath. Did it have a good ending? Did it feel like there was enough closure even if they left some things open? If so, I don't see why it would matter that they've made DLC to extend the ending. It might not be necessary to having what feels like a "complete" experience and I'm fine with that. It's why I'm not bothered that Ubisoft did the Prince of Persia 2008's Epilogue DLC - aside from the fact that it was kind of terrible, adding on to the ending did nothing to cheapen my experience with the game since I personally loved that ending and didn't need more to it (never mind the fact that the Epilogue clarified and continued absolutely nothing).

But again, I don't know. Maybe the ending to Asura's Wrath is lamer than I Am Alive's non-ending. You guys tell me.

If you complete the game with the normal ending, yes, it does in fact end well, aside from a small minor cliff hanger in the same way pretty much any games this era has to keep the possibility of a sequel open.  When you get the true ending of the game though, that minor cliff hanger is expanded on and is turned into a giant full blown "to be continued"  with triple exclamation marks.
#31 Posted by Landon (4144 posts) -

@GlenTennis said:

@Metal_Mills said:

@YI_Orange said:

Is it worse than a direct sequel for 60 dollars?

Yes. That's a separate product.

How is it worse? Imagine the game was 16 episodes, 15 dollars for every 4 episodes. This is just the 5th batch of episodes for 8 dollars? It's a fraction of the game for a fraction of the price, seems perfectly reasonable to me.

At least with a sequel there is the implication that you will be buying a game that not only will be continuing the story, but will also look and play better. What about the people who wont be able to access this?

In Asuras Wraths case, if a sequel comes, worst case scenario the game will start up in a completely different place leaving the player wondering what happened at the end of the other game. Best case scenario, there will be a cutscene that basically says "Remember that cliffhanger ending? Well,some stuff happened after that, but now you are doing this".

Selling your ending as side content is stupid.

#32 Posted by Turambar (6786 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
@Venatio said:

So can someone fill me in on the what Bioware is doing with the ME3 ending because I'm midway through the game right now and I'm terrified of spoilers and I've avoided all articles

So without spoiling anything, are the gonna do DLC? A patch?

Asking since some people brought it up here

No one has said anything. For now the ending stays. BUT there was a contest to write up a better ending and someone won it. Rumors of a DLC called "The truth" Coming out are also being tossed about. But there is no OFFICIAL word as of now. 
Wait, what?  I need a link to that.  Would be a welcomed source for my paper.
#33 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Turambar said:
@The_Laughing_Man said:
@Venatio said:

So can someone fill me in on the what Bioware is doing with the ME3 ending because I'm midway through the game right now and I'm terrified of spoilers and I've avoided all articles

So without spoiling anything, are the gonna do DLC? A patch?

Asking since some people brought it up here

No one has said anything. For now the ending stays. BUT there was a contest to write up a better ending and someone won it. Rumors of a DLC called "The truth" Coming out are also being tossed about. But there is no OFFICIAL word as of now. 
Wait, what?  I need a link to that.  Would be a welcomed source for my paper.
Damnit I cant find it. I know it might not have been an official contest. 
#34 Posted by stubbleman (306 posts) -

@Landon said:

What about the people who wont be able to access this?

Oh won't somebody think of the children!

Go look on itunes and amazon and look at how much a TV episode in HD costs on those services. This new DLC is a dollar cheaper and I think that's pretty rad.

#35 Posted by Landon (4144 posts) -

@somnambulist said:

@Landon said:

What about the people who wont be able to access this?

Oh won't somebody think of the children!

Go look on itunes and amazon and look at how much a TV episode in HD costs on those services. This new DLC is a dollar cheaper and I think that's pretty rad.

What does anything you've said have to do with my post?

#36 Posted by Winternet (8019 posts) -

Asura's Wrath has an episodic format, so selling new episodes as DLC makes sense. I don't know why this is troublesome.

#37 Posted by Deusx (1905 posts) -

This is disgusting and people who aren't bothered by this should be better consumers. You are deluded, you have the right to complain about this kind of thing. This is unethical. Video games aren't cheap, if Asura's Wrath costed $57 instead of $50 I bet a lot of people wouldn't have bought it.

#38 Posted by S0ndor (2716 posts) -

Maybe I could get angry if I cared about this game at all.

Nah

#39 Edited by YI_Orange (1148 posts) -

How many people complaining about this actually got the true ending in Asura's Wrath? To me, it was sort of a cliffhanger, but not really. It was kinda like "Hey, there's more story to be told. But THIS story the one right here you spent 60 dollars on, is done." It's like complaining Lair of the Shadowbroker was DLC instead of in the main game. That's arguably worse after some things I heard about ME3.

@S0ndor: I don't understand people like you. What's the point of even posting?

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#40 Posted by N7 (3590 posts) -
@Winternet said:

Asura's Wrath has an episodic format, so selling new episodes as DLC makes sense. I don't know why this is troublesome.

Because kids need to feel like they are fighting corporations, man. Wake up and see the truth, bro. Like, we're fighting for our rights, and stuff.
#41 Posted by Deusoma (3011 posts) -
@MooseyMcMan said:

I think it's unfair to say the ME3 one is because of fan reactions. It's too early to tell for sure, but I'm almost positive they were planning that well before the game was released. I would also argue that ME3 also ends on a cliffhanger, but that's a discussion for another thread.

Either way, this is a terrible practice, and the fact that it's happening to two games within a relatively short period of time (one of which is one of the biggest releases of the year) is unsettling.

Really? I hadn't heard anything about Halo 4 or Assassin's Creed III having ending DLC. /snark
#42 Posted by MooseyMcMan (11061 posts) -

@Deusoma said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

I think it's unfair to say the ME3 one is because of fan reactions. It's too early to tell for sure, but I'm almost positive they were planning that well before the game was released. I would also argue that ME3 also ends on a cliffhanger, but that's a discussion for another thread.

Either way, this is a terrible practice, and the fact that it's happening to two games within a relatively short period of time (one of which is one of the biggest releases of the year) is unsettling.

Really? I hadn't heard anything about Halo 4 or Assassin's Creed III having ending DLC. /snark

Don't give them ideas. I'm pretty sure Ubisoft already kinda did that with a short CG movie thing along with AC:Rev.

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#43 Posted by StrikeALight (1114 posts) -

Just don't fucking buy it then. Maybe they'll eventually cotton on, and be force to re-think their content delivery.

Jesus, some of you are beginning to sound like Daily Mail columinsts.

#44 Posted by MormonWarrior (2593 posts) -

@Enigma777 said:

POP had it's ending as DLC. It was gross.

This. And it didn't even resolve anything really.

#45 Posted by kerse (2114 posts) -

@GunslingerPanda said:

@Ace829 said:

Between Final Fantasy XIII-2, Mass Effect 3, and now this, good video game endings are hard to come by.

Huh? The FFXIII-2 ending was fantastic.

Agreed, I thought it was great.

#46 Posted by Shirogane (3576 posts) -

@Landon said:

@GlenTennis said:

@Metal_Mills said:

@YI_Orange said:

Is it worse than a direct sequel for 60 dollars?

Yes. That's a separate product.

How is it worse? Imagine the game was 16 episodes, 15 dollars for every 4 episodes. This is just the 5th batch of episodes for 8 dollars? It's a fraction of the game for a fraction of the price, seems perfectly reasonable to me.

At least with a sequel there is the implication that you will be buying a game that not only will be continuing the story, but will also look and play better. What about the people who wont be able to access this?

In Asuras Wraths case, if a sequel comes, worst case scenario the game will start up in a completely different place leaving the player wondering what happened at the end of the other game. Best case scenario, there will be a cutscene that basically says "Remember that cliffhanger ending? Well,some stuff happened after that, but now you are doing this".

Selling your ending as side content is stupid.

The difference here is, unless they throw in another super crazy twist, this is it for the Asura's Wrath story. The WHOLE story of this world and Asura. And even without this DLC ending, everything is neatly wrapped up and you get full closure on everything that had happened in the game. The ending of Asura's Wrath was basically like an Assassin's Creed ending, sudden revelation about the world, yet not really anything to do with the actual story told in the game.

Obviously i havn't played the DLC, so i can't comment fully on that, but the ending of the game didn't leave you feel empty or like there was more. It was a proper ending. Even if the DLC says true ending, it's really just DLC like anything else that adds more content, content that isn't needed to the game. Also, the game already had one true ending. You should really know what you're talking about before making assumptions based on what you've heard.

#47 Posted by BPRJCTX (704 posts) -

"The True Conclusion to Asura's Wrath!"...

C'mon...

They aren't even trying to hide it...

And still, some ppl are still trying to defend this shit...

It's just fucking sad, and it makes me fucking sick.

#48 Posted by Mnemoidian (955 posts) -

@BPRJCTX: And how would you feel if they put it on a disc/in a box and called it an expansion pack? for 20-30 bucks?

#49 Posted by BPRJCTX (704 posts) -

@Mnemoidian said:

@BPRJCTX: And how would you feel if they put it on a disc/in a box and called it an expansion pack? for 20-30 bucks?

Obviously, it would be even worse, what's your point?

My point is they clearly took out the last episodes of the game, to sell it as DLC.

Assassin's Creed and some other games do stuff like that, like taking out some missions from the game to sell them as DLC, but man, to actually do that to the ending...

Capcom, doens't even care anymore.

#50 Edited by Mnemoidian (955 posts) -

@BPRJCTX: *shrug* Just trying to understand the argument

Basically, your problem is the concept of To be Continued [edit: or Cliffhanger]. Which is far from unique to this game - and at a stretch, all other similar DLC - like the GTA stuff (Lost and the Damned, etc).

I'm just saying... I played Asura's Wrath. I had fun. Said "Huh" at the end, put the disc in the box on the shelf. This will probably get me to take the disc out again, mission accomplished for the developer/publisher? I don't feel cheated because I feel like I got what I expected out of Asura's Wrath.

And I feel that the recent mounting rage at DLC in general is really silly, but I'm trying to understand it.

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