Dammit NISA you guys got me again....

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#1 Posted by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -

So, I recently (like yesterday) realised that a new Atelier game is coming out. I checked NISA's online shop and saw that they had this bad boy for sale....

So of course like the sucker I am... I bought it. But seriously... how could I not? NISA packs in all this stuff for a measly extra $5 dollars?! And they have free shipping? These guys are seriously amazing with the value they give their fans for their money. Anyways, if anyone is into the Atelier series this is a STEAL and they have less than 50% stock left on this. If your going to buy this game buy it straight from NISA they even ship the games early sometimes. I know many people got Disagea 4 much earlier than retail folks did.

#2 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4702 posts) -

That is only five dollars more? Sweet deal, I wonder if i'd like those games.

#3 Posted by endaround (2147 posts) -

Its not $5 more, its $15. NISA has been releasing their games at $50 recently.

#4 Posted by Contrarian (1143 posts) -

That looks sweet. Got a link? Do they ship outside America? I really enjoy their games and I am not a paedophile!

#5 Posted by SpunkyHePanda (1745 posts) -

Does that shirt say "Barrel!" on it?

#6 Posted by bighat_logan (182 posts) -
@SpunkyHePanda said:

Does that shirt say "Barrel!" on it?

your damn right it does
#7 Edited by TruthTellah (9489 posts) -

@SpunkyHePanda said:

Does that shirt say "Barrel!" on it?

That shirt absolutely does say Barrel! on it. It's an Atelier thing.

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#8 Posted by Dagbiker (6978 posts) -

I bought this, for like $60. It sounded kinda cool with its soul breeding thing, where you would have a kid with one of 3 of the girls, then that kid would have a kid with one of 3 girls, and again. But the game looks bad, and it sucks.

#9 Posted by bighat_logan (182 posts) -
@Dagbiker: yeah that game sucked ass
#10 Posted by SuperWristBands (2266 posts) -

That shirt is awesome but likely too large for me. If I was planning on buying the game then this'd be a steal at only $15 more but I still have Totori to play before I buy another one.

#11 Posted by TruthTellah (9489 posts) -

@Dagbiker: Aw. You didn't like Agarest War?

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#12 Posted by SpunkyHePanda (1745 posts) -

@TruthTellah said:

@SpunkyHePanda said:

Does that shirt say "Barrel!" on it?

That shirt absolutely does say Barrel! on it. It's an Atelier thing.

I feel like I'm no closer to understanding after watching that, but thanks all the same.

#13 Edited by TruthTellah (9489 posts) -

@SpunkyHePanda: You know how duders say <> and "I am a wizard and this is f*cked up"? It's a meme like that, but for people who enjoy the Atelier series of games, as barrels are ubiquitous in the game and the constant dialogue for checking them of "Barrel!" became an inside-joke.

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#14 Edited by PixelPrinny (1050 posts) -

I can't wait for Meruru, though I'm happy with the standard edition. $15 for a tiny artbook and partial OST like the previous special editions isn't worth it for me. The Barrel! T-Shirt is a cute touch, although only long time fans of Gust's games will really get the reference (though I spose that is exactly who a special edition would appeal to most lol)

I doubt the series will see some of the big changes it needs to the passage of time system (seriously, 5 years pass in Totori and no one looks a day older or says anything different >.>) in this installment, but I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun nonetheless. :D

#15 Edited by WilltheMagicAsian (1542 posts) -

Wait an NIS game that isn't the same tactics game with different sprites?

#16 Posted by bighat_logan (182 posts) -
@TruthTellah said:

@Dagbiker: Aw. You didn't like Agarest War?

It's like a strategy RPG made by some that's never heard of a strategy RPG.
#17 Posted by bighat_logan (182 posts) -
@WilltheMagicAsian said:

Wait an NIS game that isn't the same tactics game with different sprites?

Well it the same alchemy system with different sprites. It's not as new as you think.
#18 Posted by Dagbiker (6978 posts) -

@TruthTellah: NO, I do not recommend getting it. It is like some one took a PS1 game and ported it to the Xbox360/Ps3. Same un-updated gameplay ideas, and un-updated graphics.

#19 Posted by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -

@endaround: Apologies! I meant to say $5 more than your average $60 game.

#20 Edited by Animasta (14731 posts) -

@PixelPrinny said:

I can't wait for Meruru, though I'm happy with the standard edition. $15 for a tiny artbook and partial OST like the previous special editions isn't worth it for me. The Barrel! T-Shirt is a cute touch, although only long time fans of Gust's games will really get the reference (though I spose that is exactly who a special edition would appeal to most lol)

I doubt the series will see some of the big changes it needs to the passage of time system (seriously, 5 years pass in Totori and no one looks a day older or says anything different >.>) in this installment, but I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun nonetheless. :D

listen guy, animes NEVER AGE. it is rule 1.

#21 Posted by TruthTellah (9489 posts) -

@bighat_logan said:

@TruthTellah said:

@Dagbiker: Aw. You didn't like Agarest War?

It's like a strategy RPG made by some that's never heard of a strategy RPG.

That's a good way of putting it.

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#22 Edited by SlightConfuse (3963 posts) -

so what is the gameplay like? never played this series but disgea 4 was cool

#23 Posted by Hailinel (25205 posts) -

I might get this. I've never played an Atelier game before, so this might be a good place to start.

#24 Edited by TruthTellah (9489 posts) -

@Dagbiker said:

@TruthTellah: NO, I do not recommend getting it. It is like some one took a PS1 game and ported it to the Xbox360/Ps3. Same un-updated gameplay ideas, and un-updated graphics.

Yeah, I got that impression, as well. Fortunately, I never bought the collector's edition like that.

What surprises me is the fact that I usually only ever hear Agarest War in glowing terms online, but I think that may just be that most people with discerning taste will have avoided it in the first place.

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#25 Posted by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -

@TruthTellah: I've heard good things about it as well and its not nearly as risque as the north american trailers would have you believe.

#26 Posted by TruthTellah (9489 posts) -

@Demoskinos said:

@TruthTellah: I've heard good things about it as well and its not nearly as risque as the north american trailers would have you believe.

Truly that may be the most disappointing thing about the game, amongst many other things.

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#27 Posted by PixelPrinny (1050 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

I might get this. I've never played an Atelier game before, so this might be a good place to start.

How have you never played an Atelier game before? o.O

@Animasta said:

listen guy, animes NEVER AGE. it is rule 1.

I think that can really be broadened to video games in general. But for some reason it's more noticeable in a game like Atelier Totori as opposed to something like Skyrim (which also has a calendar and you can literally just stand in the street and fast forward through 5 years worth of time if you want) due to the fact the story revolves around the passage of time.... I dunno. It'd just be cool if a game actually addressed the passage of time for once.

#28 Edited by PixelPrinny (1050 posts) -

@TruthTellah said:

@Dagbiker said:

@TruthTellah: NO, I do not recommend getting it. It is like some one took a PS1 game and ported it to the Xbox360/Ps3. Same un-updated gameplay ideas, and un-updated graphics.

Yeah, I got that impression, as well. Fortunately, I never bought the collector's edition like that.

What surprises me is the fact that I usually only ever hear Agarest War in glowing terms online, but I think that may just be that most people with discerning taste will have avoided it in the first place.

As someone who liked Agarest War as a guilty pleasure, I am more than happy to tell the world the game is really bad... Whoever thought random encounter dungeons in a strategy RPG was a good idea was fucking insane. The combat is fun, but the difficulty curve takes an insane jump around generation 4. The item systems are super cluttered and confusing, the story is bad, the wedding things are facepalm inducing... but for some reason, I still kinda liked the game. The characters were pretty cool (save for the one emo protagonist who I just wanted to punch in the face) and like I said, the combat was fun.

That being said, Agarest Zero is the game to get for people who are really curious to actually try the series -- it comes with Agarest War 1 right in there (and lets you skip all the random battles., just do the boss fights, and recruit most of the main characters from it to use in Zero's story if you want), it gets rid of the shitty dungeons and random encounters, lowers the difficulty curve significantly and streamlines some things. It's still not a great game, but leaps and bounds better than the first one.

Agarest 2 is out in a few months and apparently the combat has been completely overhauled. Not sure what else has seen changes but I dug Zero enough that I'm gonna give 2 a chance and see how it is.

#29 Posted by Hailinel (25205 posts) -
@PixelPrinny I am sadly lacking in NISA games outside of the Disgaea series.
#30 Posted by TruthTellah (9489 posts) -

@PixelPrinny said:

@TruthTellah said:

@Dagbiker said:

@TruthTellah: NO, I do not recommend getting it. It is like some one took a PS1 game and ported it to the Xbox360/Ps3. Same un-updated gameplay ideas, and un-updated graphics.

Yeah, I got that impression, as well. Fortunately, I never bought the collector's edition like that.

What surprises me is the fact that I usually only ever hear Agarest War in glowing terms online, but I think that may just be that most people with discerning taste will have avoided it in the first place.

As someone who liked Agarest War as a guilty pleasure, I am more than happy to tell the world the game is really bad... Whoever thought random encounter dungeons in a strategy RPG was a good idea was fucking insane. The combat is fun, but the difficulty curve takes an insane jump around generation 4. The item systems are super cluttered and confusing, the story is bad, the wedding things are facepalm inducing... but for some reason, I kinda liked it.

That being said, Agarest Zero is the game to get for people who are really curious to actually try the series -- it comes with Agarest War 1 right in there (and lets you skip all the random battles., just do the boss fights, and recruit most of the main characters from it to use in Zero's story if you want), it gets rid of the shitty dungeons and random encounters, lowers the difficulty curve significantly and streamlines some things. It's still not a great game, but leaps and bounds better than the first one.

Agarest 2 is out in a few months and apparently the combat has been completely overhauled. Not sure what else has seen changes but I dug Zero enough that I'm gonna give 2 a chance and see how it is.

Interesting. Thanks for your input, Prinny! :)

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#31 Posted by Soapy86 (2623 posts) -

I wish they would make another Atelier like the Iris games...like, all HD and shit but still look like a 16 bit RPG. I would buy that in a heartbeat.

#32 Posted by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -

@PixelPrinny: Whoa, so the full previous game is in Agarest Zero along with the new stuff in Zero?

#33 Posted by PixelPrinny (1050 posts) -

@Demoskinos said:

@PixelPrinny: Whoa, so the full previous game is in Agarest Zero along with the new stuff in Zero?

Pretty much. Basically all you're missing are the random encounter dungeons and fluff battles (ie battles in between areas you travel to where you just fight trash monsters). You also don't get every single character from the first game to use in Zero, but you get all of the heroes and heroines. You can get some of the less important characters as paid DLC, but there's really no point considering the sheer number of characters you get to use for free. But you can play through the entire story and see pretty much all of the events (though it hooks the protagonist up with the canon romance choice for each generation).

#34 Edited by valahuir (9 posts) -

Heh, I have to shake my head at NISA getting slated for a game they didn't actualy make, after all the Atelier series is GUST, NISA simply publish it here.

However yeah I know how Demoskinos feels, I'm baised in Europe and I've ordered it from them too. Sadly, that does mean i have to pay postage. :(

P.S. If anime and anime gaming has taught us anything it's that teenagers are fair game in Japan! But you know, stereotypes....

#35 Posted by Catolf (2653 posts) -

I'm so tempted.. but I'd rather just get the game than the extra stuff.. I still have to beat totori after all..

#36 Posted by Ravenlight (8011 posts) -

@TruthTellah:

So... it's a barrel-shouting game? Where do I sign up?

#37 Posted by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -

So, started Atelier Rorona since I never actually started it before and really enjoying it. I know Rorona and Totori are both in Meruru so I'm hoping to catch up before I pop in the new one. Speaking of I looked up the Opening tittle sequence and its awesome. I really like the music for this series. Very catchy. Super excited that the edition I got from the NISA store has the soundtrack. On topic with Meruru it looks like they really make the combat better in this game.

Anyways... the OP is below.

#38 Posted by NMC2008 (1237 posts) -

I tried to play Rorona but just couldn't get into it, almost bought Totori for some reason but decided against it, they look nice though.

#39 Posted by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -

@NMC2008: I just think its neat to have a JRPG that isn't about saving the world and is geared in another direction instead. Once you get started its pretty awesome. I'll admit that at the beginning its kinda hard to get into the game. Once you get the ball rolling though its pretty good.

#40 Posted by valahuir (9 posts) -

@NMC2008: I found Rorona alright, although unrefined and occasonaly clunky i'll admit and Totori vastly superiour and much more polished, so if it follows that pattern Meruru will be great.

So it could well be worth giving the series another chance.

@Demoskinos: Thats' one of the best things about the series it take things in a new direction, a few Atelier games break that convention. (Iris is an exeption and I can't comment on pre english launch titles though)

#41 Posted by Totori (559 posts) -

I've beat totari 3 times, should I go back to play Rorona

#42 Posted by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -

@Totori: Yeah I'm playing Rorona first because I have a big feeling once I play the later games I won't wanna go back. Totori and Meruru look fantastic. Enjoying Rorona though.

#43 Posted by valahuir (9 posts) -

@Demoskinos: Yeah, since Totori I've not even picked up Rorona, so that's a good bet. Wonder if I can squeeze in another run before it arrives in case it happens again.

On vaguely related news to the topic, They have announced Atelier Aysha, a few months back apparently so I'm not quite on the ball, but good news for us fans of the series.

I just wish they would be released in the West faster.

Oh on a side note, I mentioned before ordering it from Nisa directly due to impatience. Guess that backfired somewhat with the simultaneous launch. Whoops.

#44 Posted by zaldar (108 posts) -

@valahuir said:

Heh, I have to shake my head at NISA getting slated for a game they didn't actualy make, after all the Atelier series is GUST, NISA simply publish it here.

However yeah I know how Demoskinos feels, I'm baised in Europe and I've ordered it from them too. Sadly, that does mean i have to pay postage. :(

P.S. If anime and anime gaming has taught us anything it's that teenagers are fair game in Japan! But you know, stereotypes....

somehow I have a hard time seeing a 14 year old as a teenager but you are right. Amazingly the game actually looks cute...which wasn't expected.

#45 Edited by valahuir (9 posts) -

@zaldar: I was being facetious about "ecchi" anime and stereotypes to be honest but yeah, different ages being "legit" is a cultural thing. In England it's 16, in parts of America it's 16, 18 or sometimes even 21. but the less said better really.

But in regards to the game itself, completed it on Monday. Any of you still on the ropes, if you played and enjoyed Totori, It is definitely worth it. As I suspected before, it refines the formula further.

Although I still find it weird Meruru starts 15 and ends the game at 20 and yet doesn't seem to age a day. Wish I knew her secret. And I doubt I'm the only one.

Edit: Oh also NG+ lets you keep the travelers boots and similar upgrades as well as equipment so they have made NG+ have better bonuses too. for getting the other 10 or so endings the game will have.

#46 Posted by EXTomar (4951 posts) -

@WilltheMagicAsian said:

Wait an NIS game that isn't the same tactics game with different sprites?

NISA has been branching into other areas like domestic releases of Anime shows too. I'm not sure if they are crazy or brilliant for trying to not only expand in this niche market but also in another one!

#47 Posted by Demoskinos (15188 posts) -

Finally got my shipping confirmation from NISA. Sucks I had to wait so long but apparently there was a manufacturing problem that delayed the game combined with them having to fill a large order. Better late than never! Also, beeng playing the crap out of Dragon's Dogma so most likely won't get around to it anytime soon anyways but the LE sold the fuck out on NISA's website. So its actually a LIMITED thing.

#48 Posted by valahuir (9 posts) -

@Demoskinos: Ha, yeah, I saw how fast they were selling and made the decision too have to wait for Disgaea 3 vita too. I made the mistake of ordering them together and thus I had to wait for Meruru's launch for shipping.

I didn't want to risk missing out on my Barrel T-shirt by lowering myself on the queue by canceling and ordering them both separately.

It is quite odd though that it is taking so long to process the orders.

#49 Posted by Bocam (3833 posts) -

I have all three PS3 Atelier games and I have not played a single one.

#50 Edited by Vorbis (2750 posts) -

Sad to see that Rorona has become Christmas cake and was turned into a 5 year old.

Damn it Japan, would it really hurt to let Rorona hit 26?

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