Did Arkham City even happen? (Endgame Spoilers)

#1 Edited by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

So I've been thinking about this a lot and i've come to the conclusion that Batman is either completely insane or just shit faced all the time.
 
I'm not even sure Arkham City happened, I'm pretty sure that was just some sick fucking trip of some kind. I mean a city that's been turned into a prison? What?
 
Even disregarding all the multitude of ways in which Batman has suffered physical abuse in the last two games, let's just look at all the shit he has been on:
 

  • Took major doses of Scarecrow gas to the face on several occasions
  • Talked to fucking ghosts
  • Massive second hand exposure to Titan throughout both games
  • Got injected with Titan at the end of Asylum
  • Had the dying Joker's fucking blood injected into him
  • Drank some crazy voodoo demon juice so he could go on a spirit quest with Ra's
  • Had his mind fucked up so bad by Mad Hatter that he thought he was fighting giant rabbits on a floating clock
 
And after all that we're still supposed to think that Bruce Wayne is this completely calm, collected guy? I mean the dude has schizophrenia AT LEAST, and I still don't by this prison city shit.
 
You can't prove that Arham City isn't just some drug induced coma, I mean Titan killed the Joker and we're supposed to believe Batman's just a-okay after all this shit? Likely story.
 
I mean think about it, where did all that Riddler shit come from, why the fuck are Ra's and Grundy and all the other villains who weren't even arrested all in the same exact place? None of it makes any fucking sense. And then we find out it's like 1980 or something?
 
Then explain this shit. 
 

© 2009 Arkham Asylum

 
That's right, I just blew your god damn mind.
 
The Joker isn't dead, Ra's is still out to rule the world, and this whole prison city bull shit was just a hallucination suffered after a massive injection of Titan serum.
 
Boom.
#2 Posted by Nottle (1917 posts) -

Or comic books and video games take certain liberties with the rules of reality to make crazy stories.

#3 Posted by N7 (3609 posts) -

Man, like... What if Batman doesn't even exist? What if there is no Batman? What if, like, YOU are The Joker and you are seeing everything he would see, but he's so crazy that it's all an illusion!
 
And what happened to all of those destroyed buildings after Protocol 10 went in effect? At first, everything was being destroyed and on fire, and a few minutes later, it's all back to being fine.
 
What if we don't even exist? What we're a video game being played... by Batman? Consequences will never be the same.

#4 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -
@N7: You can only be the Joker on PS3.
#5 Posted by mylifeforAiur (3487 posts) -

I'll accept any theory that has the Joker still alive and scheming his endearingly maniacal crimes. I won't accept his departure. Never. :I

#6 Posted by N7 (3609 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish: What if... We are the PS3?
#7 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -
@N7 said:
@LordXavierBritish: What if... We are the PS3?
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
#8 Edited by MayorFeedback (674 posts) -

Pretty sure the "it was all a dream" or "you were insane the whole time!" is not going down. If Rocksteady was that dumb/lazy, the game would have ended with that twist. You really think they would market an entire third game with "Yeah, none of that last game actually happened! Cool, right?!" Nope.

#9 Posted by psylah (2181 posts) -

Comic books are just dumb. Period.

#10 Posted by rmanthorp (4020 posts) -

Game's dope.

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#11 Edited by bartok (2554 posts) -

Dude the great thing about comics is that  you do shit like kill the Joker, Dr. Strange, and Rha's Al Ghul or turn part of a major city into a prison.  You can either say it is an alternate universe, or yo we totally brought Jason Todd back from the dead so anything is possible, or just blame Doom Bots or their DC equivalent.  

#12 Posted by FlyingRat (1446 posts) -

@drhans said:

If Rockstar was that dumb/lazy, the game would have ended with that twist.

You mean Rocksteady...?

#13 Posted by MayorFeedback (674 posts) -

@FlyingRat: Haha, yes, I do mean Rocksteady. Good morning!

#14 Posted by left4doof (286 posts) -

@N7: What if the Joker is just a manifestation of Batman's grief over his parents and they are actually the same person . So when the Joker died Bruce Wayne accepted the loss of his parents .

#15 Edited by Oldirtybearon (4856 posts) -

@LordXavierBritish: I'll address these point by point.

1. Yes he did, and he eventually got better after his battles with Scarecrow. The drug's effects are potent, essentially a bad acid trip, but they do wear off.

2. That happens because Batman was very near death. People tend to hallucinate that they see a bright light, or that they see dead loved ones beckoning them to the other side. This is real people we're talking about. How could you not expect Batman to see the two people who drive him on his quest to be waiting for him at the finish line?

3. Batman was inoculated in Arkham Asylum. His "second hand exposure" to blowing up the Titan Containers is not exposure at all, considering it has to be injected into the bloodstream.

4. Yes, Joker injected his tainted blood into Batman. I doubt they shared a needle, in case you're wondering if Joker gave Batman AIDS.

5. Ra's al Ghul has always been a supernatural character. He's immortal, so long as a Lazarus Pit is on hand. The "crazy demon juice" was essentially a small dose of Lazarus in liquid form. Really, read up on your Batman lore before calling it bullshit.

6. What's your point? The Mad Hatter got into his head? Batman got through it through sheer force of will, because he's the Goddamn Batman. I fully support ANY psychedelic mind-trip in these Batman games, because it lets Rocksteady really cut loose. I enjoyed the Mad Hatter side quest, same as I enjoyed the Scarecrow segments in Asylum.

To answer your question, no, this game happened in the canonical sense. It follows comic book logic, sure, but what do you expect from a game based on a comic book?

p.s. you can't prove God exists, same way I can't. This is like arguing if there's a flying teapot somewhere in the galaxy. We can argue for and against, but neither of us know. That is a round about way of saying "dude that is the weakest argument ever."

#16 Posted by Commisar123 (1796 posts) -

@Nottle said:

Or comic books and video games take certain liberties with the rules of reality to make crazy stories.

this

#17 Posted by altairre (1221 posts) -

@left4doof said:

@N7: What if the Joker is just a manifestation of Batman's grief over his parents and they are actually the same person . So when the Joker died Bruce Wayne accepted the loss of his parents.

Fucking YES!

#18 Posted by JDW519 (150 posts) -

@altairre said:

@left4doof said:

@N7: What if the Joker is just a manifestation of Batman's grief over his parents and they are actually the same person . So when the Joker died Bruce Wayne accepted the loss of his parents.

Fucking YES!

I second that 'Fucking YES'

#19 Edited by SethPhotopoulos (5323 posts) -

@KingWilly said:

@LordXavierBritish: I'll address these point by point.

1. Yes he did, and he eventually got better after his battles with Scarecrow. The drug's effects are potent, essentially a bad acid trip, but they do wear off.

2. That happens because Batman was very near death. People tend to hallucinate that they see a bright light, or that they see dead loved ones beckoning them to the other side. This is real people we're talking about. How could you not expect Batman to see the two people who drive him on his quest to be waiting for him at the finish line?

3. Batman was inoculated in Arkham Asylum. His "second hand exposure" to blowing up the Titan Containers is not exposure at all, considering it has to be injected into the bloodstream.

4. Yes, Joker injected his tainted blood into Batman. I doubt they shared a needle, in case you're wondering if Joker gave Batman AIDS. This and He was injected with the Joker's blood IN ARKHAM CITY!

5. Ra's al Ghul has always been a supernatural character. He's immortal, so long as a Lazarus Pit is on hand. The "crazy demon juice" was essentially a small dose of Lazarus in liquid form. Really, read up on your Batman lore before calling it bullshit.

6. What's your point? The Mad Hatter got into his head? Batman got through it through sheer force of will, because he's the Goddamn Batman. I fully support ANY psychedelic mind-trip in these Batman games, because it lets Rocksteady really cut loose. I enjoyed the Mad Hatter side quest, same as I enjoyed the Scarecrow segments in Asylum.

To answer your question, no, this game happened in the canonical sense. It follows comic book logic, sure, but what do you expect from a game based on a comic book?

p.s. you can't prove God exists, same way I can't. This is like arguing if there's a flying teapot somewhere in the galaxy. We can argue for and against, but neither of us know. That is a round about way of saying "dude that is the weakest argument ever."

Yes.

#20 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -
@KingWilly: So you're applying logic to an illogical concept.
#21 Posted by GlenTennis (3145 posts) -

Batman already has mental issues. I mean what kind of grown-ass man runs around in a halloween costume in a prison? That's just dumb.

#22 Posted by Kyle (2323 posts) -
#23 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4856 posts) -

@LordXavierBritish said:

@KingWilly: So you're applying logic to an illogical concept.

The Terminator is illogical. Walking Dead is illogical. Almost any piece of science fiction or fantasy (and that includes superheroes) is illogical. The reason we can accept these things, however, is because these stories maintain an internal, logical consistency that can be followed and extrapolated on. If you want to be a party pooper and point out how "illogical" everything is, fine, but there's really no point in it. People inherently understand the difference between real world logic and consistent, fictional logic.

#24 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -
@KingWilly said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@KingWilly: So you're applying logic to an illogical concept.

The Terminator is illogical. Walking Dead is illogical. Almost any piece of science fiction or fantasy (and that includes superheroes) is illogical. The reason we can accept these things, however, is because these stories maintain an internal, logical consistency that can be followed and extrapolated on. If you want to be a party pooper and point out how "illogical" everything is, fine, but there's really no point in it. People inherently understand the difference between real world logic and consistent, fictional logic.

Then explain how Quincy Sharp could have been head of Arkham Asylum in 2009 and authorized Arkham City as mayor in 1999 or earlier.
#25 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4856 posts) -

@LordXavierBritish said:

@KingWilly said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@KingWilly: So you're applying logic to an illogical concept.

The Terminator is illogical. Walking Dead is illogical. Almost any piece of science fiction or fantasy (and that includes superheroes) is illogical. The reason we can accept these things, however, is because these stories maintain an internal, logical consistency that can be followed and extrapolated on. If you want to be a party pooper and point out how "illogical" everything is, fine, but there's really no point in it. People inherently understand the difference between real world logic and consistent, fictional logic.

Then explain how Quincy Sharp could have been head of Arkham Asylum in 2009 and authorized Arkham City as mayor in 1999 or earlier.

It's funny you bring that up, because I have a thread dedicated to the very fact that Arkham Asylum and Arkham City take place in the 20th century. Also it's not 1999, considering the games follow the cartoon's canonical events. I'd put it closer to 94-96.

#26 Posted by morrelloman (608 posts) -

Batman Batman Batman

#27 Posted by CaptainObvious (2999 posts) -

Dude. He's Batman.

#28 Posted by zFUBARz (637 posts) -
@LordXavierBritish
@KingWilly: So you're applying logic to an illogical concept.
Seems reasonable
#29 Edited by fetchfox (1298 posts) -

@KingWilly said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@KingWilly said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@KingWilly: So you're applying logic to an illogical concept.

The Terminator is illogical. Walking Dead is illogical. Almost any piece of science fiction or fantasy (and that includes superheroes) is illogical. The reason we can accept these things, however, is because these stories maintain an internal, logical consistency that can be followed and extrapolated on. If you want to be a party pooper and point out how "illogical" everything is, fine, but there's really no point in it. People inherently understand the difference between real world logic and consistent, fictional logic.

Then explain how Quincy Sharp could have been head of Arkham Asylum in 2009 and authorized Arkham City as mayor in 1999 or earlier.

It's funny you bring that up, because I have a thread dedicated to the very fact that Arkham Asylum and Arkham City take place in the 20th century. Also it's not 1999, considering the games follow the cartoon's canonical events. I'd put it closer to 94-96.

All we have to go on is that plaque on the wall. But I second KingWillys statement that within the Batman universe it all makes sense and fit together. They have not have created this story with a basis on that it's all in Bruce Waynes/Batmans head because of some Scarecrow gas (which Bat processes like hes got a supply of steam cells). It's a fun theory, but an illogical one.

#30 Posted by jorbear (2517 posts) -

He's the goddamn Batman.

He doesn't give a fuck.

#31 Edited by Cornman89 (1579 posts) -

I lol'd

#32 Posted by DarthOrange (3871 posts) -

@JDW519 said:

@altairre said:

@left4doof said:

@N7: What if the Joker is just a manifestation of Batman's grief over his parents and they are actually the same person . So when the Joker died Bruce Wayne accepted the loss of his parents.

Fucking YES!

I second that 'Fucking YES'

I third it.

#33 Posted by IAmNotBatman (655 posts) -
#34 Posted by clubsandwich (3795 posts) -

@N7 said:

Man, like... What if Batman doesn't even exist? What if there is no Batman? What if, like, YOU are The Joker and you are seeing everything he would see, but he's so crazy that it's all an illusion! And what happened to all of those destroyed buildings after Protocol 10 went in effect? At first, everything was being destroyed and on fire, and a few minutes later, it's all back to being fine. What if we don't even exist? What we're a video game being played... by Batman? Consequences will never be the same.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA! Well played, sir.

back on topic: what is this I don't even

#35 Posted by fullmetal5550 (345 posts) -

@LordXavierBritish said:

@KingWilly said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

@KingWilly: So you're applying logic to an illogical concept.

The Terminator is illogical. Walking Dead is illogical. Almost any piece of science fiction or fantasy (and that includes superheroes) is illogical. The reason we can accept these things, however, is because these stories maintain an internal, logical consistency that can be followed and extrapolated on. If you want to be a party pooper and point out how "illogical" everything is, fine, but there's really no point in it. People inherently understand the difference between real world logic and consistent, fictional logic.

Then explain how Quincy Sharp could have been head of Arkham Asylum in 2009 and authorized Arkham City as mayor in 1999 or earlier.

When does it say that the game took place in 1999? When it said 2009 they could just be saying when that character was invented but have that character set at a different point in time.

#36 Posted by imjustbettr@yahoo.com (23 posts) -
@KingWilly said:

@LordXavierBritish: I'll address these point by point.

1. Yes he did, and he eventually got better after his battles with Scarecrow. The drug's effects are potent, essentially a bad acid trip, but they do wear off.

2. That happens because Batman was very near death. People tend to hallucinate that they see a bright light, or that they see dead loved ones beckoning them to the other side. This is real people we're talking about. How could you not expect Batman to see the two people who drive him on his quest to be waiting for him at the finish line?

3. Batman was inoculated in Arkham Asylum. His "second hand exposure" to blowing up the Titan Containers is not exposure at all, considering it has to be injected into the bloodstream.

4. Yes, Joker injected his tainted blood into Batman. I doubt they shared a needle, in case you're wondering if Joker gave Batman AIDS.

5. Ra's al Ghul has always been a supernatural character. He's immortal, so long as a Lazarus Pit is on hand. The "crazy demon juice" was essentially a small dose of Lazarus in liquid form. Really, read up on your Batman lore before calling it bullshit.

6. What's your point? The Mad Hatter got into his head? Batman got through it through sheer force of will, because he's the Goddamn Batman. I fully support ANY psychedelic mind-trip in these Batman games, because it lets Rocksteady really cut loose. I enjoyed the Mad Hatter side quest, same as I enjoyed the Scarecrow segments in Asylum.

To answer your question, no, this game happened in the canonical sense. It follows comic book logic, sure, but what do you expect from a game based on a comic book?

p.s. you can't prove God exists, same way I can't. This is like arguing if there's a flying teapot somewhere in the galaxy. We can argue for and against, but neither of us know. That is a round about way of saying "dude that is the weakest argument ever."

@KingWilly: Yeah, you took all the fun out of this conversation. I don't want to speak for him, but I assume that LordXavierBritish  doesn't actually believe this theory, but is playing with the idea that Batman is crazy and is asking for our input. 
 
p.s. Batman IS crazy isn't he? I'm pretty sure they cover that in the comics and a bit in the game.

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