Alright, so Battlefield 3 has been announced. The UK Battlefield forums are going crazy with speculation, one of my favorite topics is "Should BF3 follow the Geneva Conventions?". 

People are really expecting this game to innovate the genre and expand on Battlefield 2.  However, it is coming out on the consoles... so does this automatically diminish the potential of the game? 

The Bad Company franchise was made for consoles, and while BC2 on PC isn't a bad game... it ain't no Battlefield 3. Is it safe to assume that BF3 will have support for 64+ players? What about jets? Will it fully-utilize Direct X11? Or will it be held back by console hardware?

A lot of questions... but very little info about the game.

So, do you guys think BF3 can have the same impact that BF 1942 and BF2 had when they were first released? How did you guys like Bad Company 2?

I've already vented my thoughts in endless numbers of threads already that didn't even have that specific question in the title.
 
 
Just going to wait to GDC to see what DICE has to say.
After all, they have like six planned conferences or something about Battlefield 3. There's obviously a lot to say.

BF2 was the last good Battlefield game. Bad Company 2 is one of the worst PC multiplayer games Ive ever played.
 
DICE can go fuck off. Not interested in anything they put out.

"  So, do you guys think BF3 can have the same impact that BF 1942 and BF2 had when they were first released? How did you guys like Bad Company 2? "

" @Ahmad_Metallic: Damn those money loving businesses! "

I think this gameREDORCHESTRA2 has the potentialREDORCHESTRA2 to be as good as bf2 as long as theyREDORCHESTRA2 stay away from making a game based aorund consoles. BC2 fucking sucked.  
 
If BF3 isn't announced as basically BF2 but with better graphics, more features, and more vehicles/players, guess what game I'm going to be playing? 
 
Isn't it so ironic that a formula as shallow, shitty and point driven as cod's mp get repeated once a year, but the masterpiece that was bf2 is lost in the past. What the fuck people?

I honestly have no idea. I'd like to think that the fellas at DICE understand that a more advanced version of the game is expected by the fans on the PC, but we've already seen countless developers give the proverbial middle finger to their PC customers. We'll just have to wait and see.

" Isn't it so ironic that a formula as shallow, shitty and point driven as cod's mp get repeated once a year, but the masterpiece that was bf2 is lost in the past. What the fuck people? "

" NO cod-like weapon unlocking.. although the latter is like a drug that no game can avoid using anymore.  "

Woah woah woah. Either I'm having some crazy deja vu or this exact thread has been done before. Like, exactly. 
 
EDIT: Aha! It was on Tested. I thought I was going crazy. Anyways, carry on.

I'm not doubting that it will be a good game, but it's not going to be as good as it can be if it were to be PC exclusive title. Now that I think about it this game can be total shit. I'm going to go play some bf2.

So my dreams of playing BF2142 with BC2 graphics is gone? :(

Maybe we should actually wait until we know something about the game before we start with the consoles-are-ruining-my-PC-games shenanigans.

If everybody loves Battlefield 2 so much, why don't you guys just play that? Personally, I'd like to see some innovation and change.

" @Jace said:

" Isn't it so ironic that a formula as shallow, shitty and point driven as cod's mp get repeated once a year, but the masterpiece that was bf2 is lost in the past. What the fuck people? "

man if BF3 doesnt support SIXTY FOUR players, has 6-player-based squads with a squad leader, a commander with artillery and UAV and scanning and supply drops, SEVEN kits minimum, cars and jeeps and tanks and APCs and helos and FIGHTER JETS and BOMBERS, big ass maps that feel like a whole town and a command wheel im gonna go fucking bananas... really i might start eating shit and pulling my hair out  also, less power for snipers and NO cod-like weapon unlocking.. although the latter is like a drug that no game can avoid using anymore.  "

" I think this gameREDORCHESTRA2 has the potentialREDORCHESTRA2 to be as good as bf2 as long as theyREDORCHESTRA2 stay away from making a game based aorund consoles. BC2 fucking sucked.   If BF3 isn't announced as basically BF2 but with better graphics, more features, and more vehicles/players, guess what game I'm going to be playing?  Isn't it so ironic that a formula as shallow, shitty and point driven as cod's mp get repeated once a year, but the masterpiece that was bf2 is lost in the past. What the fuck people? "

Artillery in BF2 sucked, so no to that. You'd cap a point and then just get annihilated, they would need a way to balance it. I agree no weapon unlocking would be best though. I want all the stat tracking though and unlocks sorta come hand in hand with anything like that. 

Yea, it will be. The only thing I'm going to say is that a lot of the things that got dropped in the transition from BF2 to BC2 don't really matter. BF2 was defined by its fun-ness, and to me was a product of its times. BF3 could come with blowjobs and I still wouldn't like it as much as BF2.

" @Ahmad_Metallic said:

" @Jace said:

" Isn't it so ironic that a formula as shallow, shitty and point driven as cod's mp get repeated once a year, but the masterpiece that was bf2 is lost in the past. What the fuck people? "

man if BF3 doesnt support SIXTY FOUR players, has 6-player-based squads with a squad leader, a commander with artillery and UAV and scanning and supply drops, SEVEN kits minimum, cars and jeeps and tanks and APCs and helos and FIGHTER JETS and BOMBERS, big ass maps that feel like a whole town and a command wheel im gonna go fucking bananas... really i might start eating shit and pulling my hair out  also, less power for snipers and NO cod-like weapon unlocking.. although the latter is like a drug that no game can avoid using anymore.  "

Artillery in BF2 sucked, so no to that. You'd cap a point and then just get annihilated, they would need a way to balance it. I agree no weapon unlocking would be best though. I want all the stat tracking though and unlocks sorta come hand in hand with anything like that.   "

" @Jace said:

" I think this gameREDORCHESTRA2 has the potentialREDORCHESTRA2 to be as good as bf2 as long as theyREDORCHESTRA2 stay away from making a game based aorund consoles. BC2 fucking sucked.   If BF3 isn't announced as basically BF2 but with better graphics, more features, and more vehicles/players, guess what game I'm going to be playing?  Isn't it so ironic that a formula as shallow, shitty and point driven as cod's mp get repeated once a year, but the masterpiece that was bf2 is lost in the past. What the fuck people? "

And fuck you for dismissing so quickly an equally good game, I agree Battlefield is great, but Call of Duty is too, dismissing it because you seem to have a problem with fantastic shooting mechanics and map design in any game that isn't made by DICE or some obscure PC developer is pretty freaking uncool. Justify your god damn opinion tell us why you think its bad instead of just crying shit.    "

" Yea, it will be. The only thing I'm going to say is that a lot of the things that got dropped in the transition from BF2 to BC2 don't really matter. BF2 was defined by its fun-ness, and to me was a product of its times. BF3 could come with blowjobs and I still wouldn't like it as much as BF2. "

just shut the fuck up and wait.

" Well yes the Scope is bigger, but the intensity and satisfaction of getting a kill just isn't the same (Unless you run them over in a jeep, thats always the best videogame related feeling in the world.) "

"  Battlefield is entirely dependent on the people playing it, its so teamwork oriented its almost to a fault, if your team is off, you are guranteed to have a sucky game (Which is why our bombing runs are so great.) Constantly worrying about what the other guy is doing means that no matter how hard you try you'll lose, no matter how many people you kill, or flags you cap you still won't succeed."

"  The variety of tools for killing is also, great, but when its you in an empty field versus a tank, you have no chance. "

"  in Call of Duty, no matter how many people im up against, no matter how bad my team is, I can make a difference or find a way to prevail even against the worst odds.  And if you really want to do good in Call of Duty you need your own solo strategies, as oppose to team based ones. Point at dude and shoot only gets you so far . So basically I like Call of Duty because it plays to my Chuck Norris instincts. Im a one man army. And no enemy is too big. "

" Yea, it will be. The only thing I'm going to say is that a lot of the things that got dropped in the transition from BF2 to BC2 don't really matter. BF2 was defined by its fun-ness, and to me was a product of its times. BF3 could come with blowjobs and I still wouldn't like it as much as BF2. "

I wouldn't mind a classless system, instead you chose a pack kit in your secondary slot, health pack, ammo pack, or repair tool.  While you could choose a weapon of your choice to go along with it.   Make a sniper rifle take up both primary and secondary slot to balance that out.

At this point I'm kind of hoping BF3 sucks just to see all the butthurt about it. 
 
DICE hasn't let me down before. Battlefield 2 was amazing for its time, and the Bad Company games are great fun. I don't see why everyone is up in arms thinking DICE is going to fuck up BF3.

PC is dead. It's all about the consoles nowadays. If there was no console versions, there would be no BF3, simple as that.

" PC is dead. It's all about the consoles nowadays. If there was no console versions, there would be no BF3, simple as that. "

Dice and EA have gone on record to say that the PC version is going to be drastically different than the console versions. 
 
I trust Dice, so until I see evidence contrary to that, I'll believe them.

" Dice and EA have gone on record to say that the PC version is going to be drastically different than the console versions. "

Some people say that htey are building it for PC primarily and eventually will do a console version. Like Battlefield 2 (dope) and Modern combat (not so....)
 
But then there's the console market and the money it generates.....

I'd like to think it'll be crazy awesome but considering the current climate, I'm not getting my hopes up.  
I really hate to be that guy but after being flat out lied to about Borderlands it's hard to trust people.
 
Plus 1943 never even made it over, I feel like that would have been a much better experience than BC2.

Making games about war has changed...
 
It's no longer about large scale battlefields, massive player counts, or a multitude of vehicles. 
It's about gaining experience points, destructible environments, and perks and unlocks. All in an attempt to appeal to the console markets.
 
Making games about war has changed...

" @President_Barackbar:  in bf2 there were only 2 guns for each kit.. one is default and one you unlock now its all about ranking up to unlock guns and perks and shit "

I'm not so much worried about the graphics as I am about the gameplay. Graphics demands are still fully exceeding modern PC hardware specs, and since PCs and consoles run at completely different image quality settings they have essentially nothing to do with one another.  
  
I'm afraid I'll have to agree with you there on the game itself though; has any console-influenced shooter proven to be innovative in the past few years? Call of Duty? Bad Company 2? Killzone 2? All the same. The last innovative shooter that came out on the market was Crysis back in 2007, a PC only game.  
 
They did promise however that the PC version "wouldn't disappoint", but then again Crytek has been saying the same thing about Crysis 2 and they're not much short of giving Microsoft and Sony a handjob when it comes to console pandering. 

" PC is dead. It's all about the consoles nowadays. If there was no console versions, there would be no BF3, simple as that. "

" @Enigma777 said:

" PC is dead. It's all about the consoles nowadays. If there was no console versions, there would be no BF3, simple as that. "

Pc isn't dead and  the people who keep repeating never have anything to back it up. It's very simple you just have to count pc as a console, if a company is making a game they know not everyone with whatever console is going to buy it so they want to put it on as many as they can. The difference is that Pc has the ability to do way more so when they make a game for the pc and everything else it clearly shows. The funny thing is when someone says Pc is dead they're basically saying Pc no longer has the ability to just have its own games it has to delve into the limitations of console gaming more and more! "

ill murder the whole dice team if this is some CONSOLE BULLSHIT. then im gunna fucken sleep like a baby. wake up and play some battlefield 2.

I hate when these PC fanboys cry "Oh it's coming out for consoles too!?Fuck that dumbed down, shitty aiming, plus it's on console!".I am telling everybody this and I hope they agree with me cause it is the truth.If DICE decides by some grand stupid idea to only launch BF3 on PC.Their sales will go down the shitter.Not to say PC gaming is dead, but it just isn't as prominent as it used to be.Releasing on multiple platforms will ensure everybody can enjoy the game, plus more sales for DICE.Which mean they can keep making great games.I can't afford a good ass PC to run BF3, so I turn to console cause it is cheaper.(Plus I like the shot vibration)Not to say that BF3 won't sell on PC.It just wouldn't even level the sales of BFBC or BFBC2.Why can't PC fanboys just be more open minded?

I have confidence in DICE. I think they know their fans and will deliver a product that will satisfy what their fans want. I just hope the game isn't released with all the bugs from BF2.

" @blueduck said:

" @Enigma777 said:

" PC is dead. It's all about the consoles nowadays. If there was no console versions, there would be no BF3, simple as that. "

Pc isn't dead and  the people who keep repeating never have anything to back it up. It's very simple you just have to count pc as a console, if a company is making a game they know not everyone with whatever console is going to buy it so they want to put it on as many as they can. The difference is that Pc has the ability to do way more so when they make a game for the pc and everything else it clearly shows. The funny thing is when someone says Pc is dead they're basically saying Pc no longer has the ability to just have its own games it has to delve into the limitations of console gaming more and more! "

When I say the PC is dead, I mean it no longer can support giant, multi-million dollar franchises by itself unless your name is Blizzard. Even Valve is reaching for the console market. "

I really hope BF 3 is dramatically different from games in the same genre.

" I hate when these PC fanboys cry "Oh it's coming out for consoles too!?Fuck that dumbed down, shitty aiming, plus it's on console!".I am telling everybody this and I hope they agree with me cause it is the truth.If DICE decides by some grand stupid idea to only launch BF3 on PC.Their sales will go down the shitter.Not to say PC gaming is dead, but it just isn't as prominent as it used to be.Releasing on multiple platforms will ensure everybody can enjoy the game, plus more sales for DICE.Which mean they can keep making great games.I can't afford a good ass PC to run BF3, so I turn to console cause it is cheaper.(Plus I like the shot vibration)Not to say that BF3 won't sell on PC.It just wouldn't even level the sales of BFBC or BFBC2.Why can't PC fanboys just be more open minded? "