Battlefield 1942 was my first foray into online gaming and ever since then I have loved the Battlefield series and the unique style of gameplay it possessed. Battlefield 3 is now on the horizon and it is being positioned as a COD killer and it's release date has intentionally been placed to compete with the COD directly. This makes me very uncertain of the future...

Battlefield has always been about complex gameplay with a steep learning curve (at least compared to it's competition) and the to appeal to the mass market a learning curve has to go. If they don't eliminate the learning curve and the game does achieve critical mass then the multiplayer will be filled with people who don't play the game for the objectives and instead play for  "KD". Also a somewhat petty complaint but the graphics of this game are great but they will also cause a lot of people to just buy the game because it's shiny and again just mess around in the multiplayer.  If this game becomes extremely popular on the level of  COD then the community and the game will be filled with people just playing the shiniest thing and bragging about their super high KDs and how fantastic they are at the game because they're 3:1 regardless of the fact that most games they sit in the base as their team loses.

Battlefield has always been complex and that has always caused it to fall short of mainstream acceptance and so for it to achieve it's COD killer status it will have to lose this complexity and so when this game is released and it is indeed simplified then I'm sure it will be filled with people saying how much better the game is and how the other games were to hard but they like this one.

I'd be happy to eat my words, I really would


*Edit* I'd like to clarify that have no problem with COD like games and people who like those games. I'm sure there'd be tons of people upset if COD became a milsim

Yeah, the fictional future is really frightening....

I too worry about the fictional educatiion systems that the fictional children in our fictional games will be getting. I mean how are they going to fictionally grow up and fight the fictional bad guys, meta-fictionally speaking??

Repeat after me. It's just a game.

" and again just mess around in the multiplayer."

" It's just a game. "

I like the how the attitude around this games is that it belongs to a small group of people and it should stay that way so only the "real" battlefield players can enjoy the game and run the devs out of business.  What a hipster attitude.

Let's just forget that people did worry about their K/D in BF2. 

" I like the how the attitude around this games is that it belongs to a small group of people and it should stay that way so only the "real" battlefield players can enjoy the game and run the devs out of business.  What a hipster attitude. "

" @FourWude said:

" It's just a game. "

Video game websites: where video games can't be taken seriously. "

Video game websites, where video games becomes greater than life and death issues.

Some people worry about future jobs, others worry about where their next paycheque will come from, some worry about the education or deteriorating environmental issues.... but on a videogame website none of this shit matters because it's all about whether a game focuses too much on a kill death ratio or not, that's the real  frightening future.

I hate when things get popular.

" @SethPhotopoulos said:

" I like the how the attitude around this games is that it belongs to a small group of people and it should stay that way so only the "real" battlefield players can enjoy the game and run the devs out of business.  What a hipster attitude. "

I don't feel that way at all. The Bad Company series made a lot of changes and I didn't mind that at all. What scares me about this game is it's positioning as a COD killer and what that entails. If they said they are trying to make the best battlefield game they can and also make efforts to allow more people to enjoy it then I'd be fine with that but they aren't saying that they are saying they're making a COD killer "

" @ajamafalous said:

" @FourWude said:

" It's just a game. "

Video game websites: where video games can't be taken seriously. "

Video game websites, where video games becomes greater than life and death issues.

Some people worry about future jobs, others worry about where their next paycheque will come from, some worry about the education or deteriorating environmental issues.... but on a videogame website none of this shit matters because it's all about whether a game focuses too much on a kill death ratio or not, that's the real  frightening future.

"

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                    @ajamafalous said:

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                    @FourWude said:

" It's just a game. "

Video game websites: where video games can't be taken seriously.

                   

                "

Video game websites, where video games becomes greater than life and death issues.

Some people worry about future jobs, others worry about where their next paycheque will come from, some worry about the education or deteriorating environmental issues.... but on a videogame website none of this shit matters because it's all about whether a game focuses too much on a kill death ratio or not, that's the real  frightening future.

                   

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" I don't feel that way at all. The Bad Company series made a lot of changes and I didn't mind that at all. What scares me about this game is it's positioning as a COD killer and what that entails. If they said they are trying to make the best battlefield game they can and also make efforts to allow more people to enjoy it then I'd be fine with that but they aren't saying that they are saying they're making a COD killer "

" @FourWude said:

" @ajamafalous said:

" @FourWude said:

" It's just a game. "

Video game websites: where video games can't be taken seriously. "

Video game websites, where video games becomes greater than life and death issues.

Some people worry about future jobs, others worry about where their next paycheque will come from, some worry about the education or deteriorating environmental issues.... but on a videogame website none of this shit matters because it's all about whether a game focuses too much on a kill death ratio or not, that's the real  frightening future.

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Well maybe I do have other concerns but I don't air them on this VIDEO GAME ENTHUSIAST WEBSITE! This isn't a topic about my greatest fears this isn't a topic about the things that are most important to me, this is a topic about Battlefield so why don't you not make assumptions about me and stop insulting me too "

Well Battlefield must be one of your main concerns in life because it's frightening your future as your topic titles explicitly states. It is a frightening future indeed when Battlefield 3 focuses on kill death ratios and team deathmatch gameplay. That's not a future I want to live in. That's not a future I want to bring my children up in. It's a scary reality indeed.

                   

                "Everyone has such worries, this is not the main outlet to discuss such things though.Keep Video game websites about video games. "

" @VictoryBlixt said:

" @FourWude said:

" @ajamafalous said:

" @FourWude said:

" It's just a game. "

Video game websites: where video games can't be taken seriously. "

Video game websites, where video games becomes greater than life and death issues.

Some people worry about future jobs, others worry about where their next paycheque will come from, some worry about the education or deteriorating environmental issues.... but on a videogame website none of this shit matters because it's all about whether a game focuses too much on a kill death ratio or not, that's the real  frightening future.

"

Well maybe I do have other concerns but I don't air them on this VIDEO GAME ENTHUSIAST WEBSITE! This isn't a topic about my greatest fears this isn't a topic about the things that are most important to me, this is a topic about Battlefield so why don't you not make assumptions about me and stop insulting me too "

Well Battlefield must be one of your main concerns in life because it's frightening your future as your topic titles explicitly states. It is a frightening future indeed when Battlefield 3 focuses on kill death ratios and team deathmatch gameplay. That's not a future I want to live in. That's not a future I want to bring my children up in. It's a scary reality indeed.

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" @FourWude:@FourWude said:

" @VictoryBlixt said:

" @FourWude said:

" @ajamafalous said:

" @FourWude said:

" It's just a game. "

Video game websites: where video games can't be taken seriously. "

Video game websites, where video games becomes greater than life and death issues.

Some people worry about future jobs, others worry about where their next paycheque will come from, some worry about the education or deteriorating environmental issues.... but on a videogame website none of this shit matters because it's all about whether a game focuses too much on a kill death ratio or not, that's the real  frightening future.

"

Well maybe I do have other concerns but I don't air them on this VIDEO GAME ENTHUSIAST WEBSITE! This isn't a topic about my greatest fears this isn't a topic about the things that are most important to me, this is a topic about Battlefield so why don't you not make assumptions about me and stop insulting me too "

Well Battlefield must be one of your main concerns in life because it's frightening your future as your topic titles explicitly states. It is a frightening future indeed when Battlefield 3 focuses on kill death ratios and team deathmatch gameplay. That's not a future I want to live in. That's not a future I want to bring my children up in. It's a scary reality indeed.

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Again please stop making assumptions about my life and my priorites. If you had anymore intelligence than a 3 year old then you'd know that obviously my topic title was a hyperbole and it was only in reference to this game. This topic is about my fears regarding this game not my fears regarding the state of the world.So why don't you go be a confrontational prick somewhere else? "

" @ajamafalous said:

" @FourWude said:

" It's just a game. "

Video game websites: where video games can't be taken seriously. "

Video game websites, where video games becomes greater than life and death issues.

Some people worry about future jobs, others worry about where their next paycheque will come from, some worry about the education or deteriorating environmental issues.... but on a videogame website none of this shit matters because it's all about whether a game focuses too much on a kill death ratio or not, that's the real  frightening future.

"

" @FourWude said:

" @ajamafalous said:

" @FourWude said:

" It's just a game. "

Video game websites: where video games can't be taken seriously. "

Video game websites, where video games becomes greater than life and death issues.

Some people worry about future jobs, others worry about where their next paycheque will come from, some worry about the education or deteriorating environmental issues.... but on a videogame website none of this shit matters because it's all about whether a game focuses too much on a kill death ratio or not, that's the real  frightening future.

"

/facepalm  "

" @Jethuty said:

" @FourWude said:

" @ajamafalous said:

" @FourWude said:

" It's just a game. "

Video game websites: where video games can't be taken seriously. "

Video game websites, where video games becomes greater than life and death issues.

Some people worry about future jobs, others worry about where their next paycheque will come from, some worry about the education or deteriorating environmental issues.... but on a videogame website none of this shit matters because it's all about whether a game focuses too much on a kill death ratio or not, that's the real  frightening future.

"

/facepalm  "

lol

because on a videogame website I come to discuss how we change the world. Not, you know, videogames?

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I hope it doesn't kill COD that way all the hackers still play COD while I'm actually winning for a change.

This thread has taught me that:

a) Plenty of people take gaming way too seriously.

b) Trust a modern war shooter to get people riled up.

@VictoryBlixt said:

" @FourWude:@FourWude said:

" @VictoryBlixt said:

" @FourWude said:

" @ajamafalous said:

" @FourWude said:

" It's just a game. "

Video game websites: where video games can't be taken seriously. "

Video game websites, where video games becomes greater than life and death issues.

Some people worry about future jobs, others worry about where their next paycheque will come from, some worry about the education or deteriorating environmental issues.... but on a videogame website none of this shit matters because it's all about whether a game focuses too much on a kill death ratio or not, that's the real  frightening future.

"

Well maybe I do have other concerns but I don't air them on this VIDEO GAME ENTHUSIAST WEBSITE! This isn't a topic about my greatest fears this isn't a topic about the things that are most important to me, this is a topic about Battlefield so why don't you not make assumptions about me and stop insulting me too "

Well Battlefield must be one of your main concerns in life because it's frightening your future as your topic titles explicitly states. It is a frightening future indeed when Battlefield 3 focuses on kill death ratios and team deathmatch gameplay. That's not a future I want to live in. That's not a future I want to bring my children up in. It's a scary reality indeed.

"

Again please stop making assumptions about my life and my priorites. If you had anymore intelligence than a 3 year old then you'd know that obviously my topic title was a hyperbole and it was only in reference to this game. This topic is about my fears regarding this game not my fears regarding the state of the world.So why don't you go be a confrontational prick somewhere else? "

It's all ok now, bad man is going to leave your thread.

" @FourWude:  yeah hi, could you sod off and let us discuss this video game please? thanks ! "

Maybe you should learn to take your head out of this games ass for a minute and realise people, like me,  want to take the piss out of this game and those who take it seriously.

Shit is fun.

@Jethuty said:

" @FourWude said:

" @ajamafalous said:

" @FourWude said:

" It's just a game. "

Video game websites: where video games can't be taken seriously. "

Video game websites, where video games becomes greater than life and death issues.

Some people worry about future jobs, others worry about where their next paycheque will come from, some worry about the education or deteriorating environmental issues.... but on a videogame website none of this shit matters because it's all about whether a game focuses too much on a kill death ratio or not, that's the real  frightening future.

"

/facepalm  "

When I troll, I at least put some effort into it.

STOP HAVING FUN

" @SethPhotopoulos said:

" I like the how the attitude around this games is that it belongs to a small group of people and it should stay that way so only the "real" battlefield players can enjoy the game and run the devs out of business.  What a hipster attitude. "

I don't feel that way at all. The Bad Company series made a lot of changes and I didn't mind that at all. What scares me about this game is it's positioning as a COD killer and what that entails. If they said they are trying to make the best battlefield game they can and also make efforts to allow more people to enjoy it then I'd be fine with that but they aren't saying that they are saying they're making a COD killer "

" What a hipster attitude. "

" @SethPhotopoulos said:

" What a hipster attitude. "

Quoted for irony. "

" @VictoryBlixt said:

" @SethPhotopoulos said:

" I like the how the attitude around this games is that it belongs to a small group of people and it should stay that way so only the "real" battlefield players can enjoy the game and run the devs out of business.  What a hipster attitude. "

I don't feel that way at all. The Bad Company series made a lot of changes and I didn't mind that at all. What scares me about this game is it's positioning as a COD killer and what that entails. If they said they are trying to make the best battlefield game they can and also make efforts to allow more people to enjoy it then I'd be fine with that but they aren't saying that they are saying they're making a COD killer "

I'd like to share with you something I listened to a couple of days ago:
 http://www.dontrevivemebro.com/blog/2011/04/11/don%E2%80%99t-revive-me-bro-podcast-14-with-daniel-matros-dice-bf-community-manager/They do talk some about how it's being depicted as the COD-killer but he said that the mentality of their team is not that at all. They just want to make their game. To make a good game. Sure, there is always going to be competition but it's not how people think it is now with them just focusing on taking COD down.It made me feel.. relieved. "

After countless of hours of Bad Company 2 as of late this not working towards the objective is already there and from what I remember it was in BF2 aswell. Varies from server to server tho. Rush f.ex. falls under the K/D fest so damned often there is something else to it.

BF3 could use a new take on how they condition the player to work towards objectives. The game is not too advanced, nor a hard concept. Ya'll are giving people too little credit for their mental capacity. Its more a question of what stimuli you put into the game (K/D is a stimuli and a very potent one it seems).
One simple thing they can do is to flatout remove K/D from the scoreboard and instead tweak the point system to be more equal between classes and doing the objectives. If I look at myself when playing BC2: I always work toward the objective in the manner my class does best. However, if I notice that my K/D is bad I hold back on working towards the objective and instead focusing on the K/D ratio. A bad K/D has a negative impact on my gameplay, whilst a good has a positive one.
The stat have the potential to make you go deathmatch mode instead of teamplay mode. In fancier words, you are conditioned to go K/D.

If for some reason K/D is such a holy grail in multiplayer FPS-gaming have it show up at the end screen. Not during the round. Hell, Dice could even toss in a TDM-mode (like conquest without the flags). It  would give players who has the urge to go all TDM do it without making objectives suffer.

Im more scared that they wont fix certain mechanics and other things. Like:
Sloppy hit detection.
Ammo boxes replenishing grenades and thus creating TOO much fucking explosions (herpa derp: noone in sight, gonna disarm the MCOMs..BLAM-O...50 thousand grenades) and too many chokepoints on maps.
 Allow modding. Guess this has something to do with content protection, but Im sure it can be protected while still giving us mods.