Where is my teamwork

Posted by Kazona (3094 posts) -

I'm still loving Battlefield 3. Like most the campaign hasn't really been of much interest to me, but the multiplayer more than makes up for the underwhelming single player, which is saying a lot coming from a guy who tends to avoid most multiplayer experiences.

The one gripe I have with the game is that, like so many other first person shooters, there is still very little team play to be seen. While there are exceptions to the rule, for the most part everyone appears to be out for themselves. While Battlefield 3 certainly does its best to incentivize people working together, few seem to actually pay these things any heed, with the exception of throwing out med- and ammo packs.

Now, in the spirit of full disclosure, I'm playing the recon class, focusing on sniping people from a distance, so I don't run with groups that much. But even as the definitive lonewolf I try to help my team out by spotting and using my soflam. Speaking of spotting, it varies wildly from server to server whether you're playing with people who will actually take the effort to hit that Q button. It's a real shame that people can't extend one finger more often to hit that button because it'd make life for everyone in the team so much easier.

I couldn't find an image about spotting, so here's a pic of a girl's ass that showed up when I searched for Battlefield 3 spotting

Now, my real gripe isn't with those small (but important) things, but with the utter lack of people working as a cohesive unit. Everyone just runs or drives in blindly, not even taking the moment to wait for someone to man the gun on their jeep, helicopter or tank. They rush in, die, and repeat the exact same process all over again.

One of the maps where this is very evident is Metro. That area near the escalators nearly always ends up playing out like a tug-of-war scenario. There is rarely a clear victor in those matches. Now, I realize that that particular map is nothing but choke points, making it very difficult for any team to assert dominance over the match, but I am convinced that if people took the time to strategize, to employ tactics more sophisticated than simply chucking grenades and running around, shooting like a madman, they could score a decisive victory.

Men! We will keep storming these stairs, no matter how many times we fail! Hooah!

What this game needs, most of all, is leadership. One or two people on a team who have a good overview of the map and the match, and who are able to guide other people on their team to victory. The problem there is, who is going to take advise from some random Joe on the internet about how they should play? I'm fairly certain that even the very best tactician would go largely ignored, no matter how sound their strategy might be. Unless it involves a serious clan, people simply do not like to be told what to do, even if the person telling them is right. Maybe we are just too proud to accept that what we're doing isn't working. Too proud to admit that someone else might know better.

It's a shame, too, because I guarantee that we'd all feel a hell of a lot more proud if we devestated the other team through superior teamwork.

#1 Posted by Kazona (3094 posts) -

I'm still loving Battlefield 3. Like most the campaign hasn't really been of much interest to me, but the multiplayer more than makes up for the underwhelming single player, which is saying a lot coming from a guy who tends to avoid most multiplayer experiences.

The one gripe I have with the game is that, like so many other first person shooters, there is still very little team play to be seen. While there are exceptions to the rule, for the most part everyone appears to be out for themselves. While Battlefield 3 certainly does its best to incentivize people working together, few seem to actually pay these things any heed, with the exception of throwing out med- and ammo packs.

Now, in the spirit of full disclosure, I'm playing the recon class, focusing on sniping people from a distance, so I don't run with groups that much. But even as the definitive lonewolf I try to help my team out by spotting and using my soflam. Speaking of spotting, it varies wildly from server to server whether you're playing with people who will actually take the effort to hit that Q button. It's a real shame that people can't extend one finger more often to hit that button because it'd make life for everyone in the team so much easier.

I couldn't find an image about spotting, so here's a pic of a girl's ass that showed up when I searched for Battlefield 3 spotting

Now, my real gripe isn't with those small (but important) things, but with the utter lack of people working as a cohesive unit. Everyone just runs or drives in blindly, not even taking the moment to wait for someone to man the gun on their jeep, helicopter or tank. They rush in, die, and repeat the exact same process all over again.

One of the maps where this is very evident is Metro. That area near the escalators nearly always ends up playing out like a tug-of-war scenario. There is rarely a clear victor in those matches. Now, I realize that that particular map is nothing but choke points, making it very difficult for any team to assert dominance over the match, but I am convinced that if people took the time to strategize, to employ tactics more sophisticated than simply chucking grenades and running around, shooting like a madman, they could score a decisive victory.

Men! We will keep storming these stairs, no matter how many times we fail! Hooah!

What this game needs, most of all, is leadership. One or two people on a team who have a good overview of the map and the match, and who are able to guide other people on their team to victory. The problem there is, who is going to take advise from some random Joe on the internet about how they should play? I'm fairly certain that even the very best tactician would go largely ignored, no matter how sound their strategy might be. Unless it involves a serious clan, people simply do not like to be told what to do, even if the person telling them is right. Maybe we are just too proud to accept that what we're doing isn't working. Too proud to admit that someone else might know better.

It's a shame, too, because I guarantee that we'd all feel a hell of a lot more proud if we devestated the other team through superior teamwork.

#2 Posted by Grissefar (2830 posts) -

Teamwork is one of the reasons I dislike Battlefield. I don't want to be boxed inside a class. Give me free choice please. And as a lone wolf, I don't want to depend on random kids. Just let me kill tons of men on my own instead of getting pissed that nobody went for the objective because random people can never work together. And I don't want false incentives to spam a button to share ammo or health. Just give me points or missiles if I did well, thank you very much.

It's probably fun if you're playing 10 people together but in that case you're probably just spawn trapping the hell out of the enemy team anyway - so much for teamplay.

#3 Posted by Kazona (3094 posts) -

@Grissefar: To each his own I guess. And I can certainly understand your sentiments. We both want different things out of the same game. It's just a shame that it doesn't seem to cater to either playstyle as well as we'd like.

#4 Posted by TheKeyboardDemon (822 posts) -

Great blog, teamwork, when it happens as it should is great, I saw it a few times in BFBC2, I think there were two maybe three rounds where the squad I was in worked really well as a tight unit, not only were we spotting and covering each others back, supplying, reviving and providing spawn points for each other, we were also swapping weapons in order to replace fallen squad members, eg. Medic died so someone swapped class in order to revive said medic who was then able to supply ammo due to the class swap etc... It was a beautiful thing to see, but like opening oysters and looking for pearls I had to play many rounds to see such bounty.

The Sunday night sessions that AhmadMetallic and friends put on are a great way to meet players that want to play the objectives as a team, they are a lot of fin if you can get to them, which I can't, and I find that BF3 at all other times is just not as fun so I tend to stick to CoD:MW3, but hope to get back on the BF3 Platoon games soon.

#5 Posted by GS_Dan (1397 posts) -

Join a clan and get on mumble or teamspeak, etc.

Join us on the bombing runs :)

But yeah, commander mode is missed. Aside from that though, DICE have been really smart in promoting team play through the points system.

#6 Posted by Lanegan (37 posts) -

i have recently started to play BF3 with a friend, and i enjoy it so much more than i did before when everyone ran around minding their own stuff. since im terrible at the game (atleast the shooting part) i tend to spot, heal, revive, suppress, etc. this is the first game i enjoy so much that i decided to buy a headset. too bad alot of people just sings or play around with the headset so i tend to only speak with my friend..

ohh, and team mates blowing up our own plane and tanks are pretty annoying too

#7 Posted by vonFlampanker (329 posts) -

I found this blog post when I came here to post mainly the same thing. Just a few minutes ago I was on a 1000 ticket server getting my ass handed to me by a swarm of vehicles. None of my usual friends happened to be on, so I decide to help out as best I can with the sniper class. I'm terrible at using the sniper rifle so I get out the SOFLAM, which used correctly can shut down the US team on Wake Island. After doing this for about half the round, I saw not a single Javelin get launched. I typed my intentions into the chat box. No reply.

I try not to drop out of a server mid-game, but there's no way I'm going to sit and pad some heli pilot's stats for him while my team does ... well i have no idea what they were doing apart from turning down free double kills and vehicle kills.

What's the line you draw where you just say "screw it" and drop out of a server?

More to the original point, there's nothing you want to encounter less than a full squad that's obviously working and moving together. Whether you're in a vehicle or on foot, two or three coordinated squads almost always seems like a guaranteed win.

#8 Posted by Masha2932 (1242 posts) -

Teamwork for me works best when you are in the same room with your team. This is why I prefer LAN or spliscreen gaming.

#9 Edited by Mikemcn (7018 posts) -

I chalk much of that up to the fact that there is no server balance, team stacking happens way too often and it's far too easy to get stuck with people who have no idea what they're doing and have zero interest in helping the squad, as someone who really only teams up with a group of people when there is a Bombing run going, I can tell you that fun public matches are few and far between.

#10 Posted by Kazona (3094 posts) -

@TheKeyboardDemon: Speaking of those GB sessions, isn't there a new group that was supposed to replace the Battlefield 3 group on Steam?

Speaking of Bombing Runs, I would love to get in on one, but I don't yet have Return to Karkland, and I'm in Europe. From what I've seen the UK server doesn't get much love.

@GS_Dan: See my response to TheKeyBoardDemon :P

@Lanegan: I have no doubt that it's a lot better with a friend. Don't have any friends who play PC games though.

@vonFlampanker: I think I've had that happen to me once. Can't remember the map name, but it's the one with the mining and large tunnel. The opposite team was completely waltzing over us because they worked together, and no matter what I said, our team just kept running around like chickens with their heads cut off. So that's when I said screw this and quit the game.

@Masha2932: Would you believe that I've never done either despite gaming a good 10+ years now?

@Mikemcn: If I see one more "auto balancing teams" message I am going to punch someone in the face.

#11 Posted by ikilledthedj (334 posts) -

If anyone is playing on ps3 ( yes yes I know but my regulars didn't want to pay for live any more ) add me "ikilledthedj" Team play is something I'm really into even a two man squad playing together can turn a game around. I am by no means a 20-0 kind of player but if your up for it come join a fellow GB user

#12 Posted by GS_Dan (1397 posts) -
@Kazona I'm in Newcastle haha
Yeah the UK server is no more but we can still organise to play during sensible hours somewhere else.
#13 Posted by Butler (392 posts) -

@Kazona said:

@TheKeyboardDemon: Speaking of those GB sessions, isn't there a new group that was supposed to replace the Battlefield 3 group on Steam?

Speaking of Bombing Runs, I would love to get in on one, but I don't yet have Return to Karkland, and I'm in Europe. From what I've seen the UK server doesn't get much love.

There is only one server now, I think the U.K. one got shutdown. However, most of the duders who play were European so the server selection was Euro centric. And some didnt have B2K either, but everyone was accommodating.

--

Tonight was my first night using Mumble, bopping around with a few fellow duders working together in BF3. It made the game so much better. And

consistently our scores were higher if not usually rounding out the top spots on the leaderboards.

#14 Posted by ShadowConqueror (3084 posts) -

If you want teamwork, you should try Arma 2.

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