Wow, the AI is just.....wow

#1 Posted by Abendlaender (2768 posts) -

Is the AI just broken in this game? I know nobody cares about SP but still. Sometimes enemies don't notice me when I run straight at them, sometimes (when I'm supposed to hold a position while they attack me) some of them just stand around at their spawn points or wander off so I have to search the entire area just to find and stab them. My teammates seem equally usefull. You can order them to attack enemies, but have fun watching them shoot in the air while the enemies completly ignore them and continue to attack you and only you.

At least they all are AMAZING at throwing grenades. I once watched a guy straight up throwing a grenade in the wrong direction, yet it landed right in front of my feet. The SP seems pretty broken to me. In the first level, when you enter the open area with the cranes you get access to a sniper rifle. So I decided to snipe the four enemies I could spot. When I then moved on my teammate shouted "WATCH OUT, FOUR ENEMIES AHEAD OF US" and they all ran off and took cover. So I had to reload my checkpoint because they refused to move on. Ermm...okay?

#2 Posted by mosdl (3228 posts) -

Welcome to single player shooters. They all have bad ai

#3 Posted by Mister_V (1233 posts) -

Yeah i tried a bit of the sp earlier. The AI is not great at all. But as you say if you buy a battlefield game for the single player you are doing it wrong.

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#4 Posted by Veektarius (4653 posts) -

Wow. Good job designing systems, Swedes.

#5 Posted by Abendlaender (2768 posts) -

@mosdl said:

Welcome to single player shooters. They all have bad ai

That's not true. Ever played FEAR? Also, even compared to "bad" AI the AI in BF 4 is terrible. I've not seen such bad AI in a game since years and BF4 is not just some budget release .

#6 Posted by csl316 (8199 posts) -

I think Fear and Halo set my AI expectations too high.

#7 Posted by Vonocourt (2123 posts) -

I was watching a walkthrough earlier, got bad BF3 vibes which really soured myself on trying my brother's copy.

#8 Posted by Deranged (1837 posts) -

Dude... it's Battlefield.

#9 Posted by jdh5153 (1034 posts) -

The single player is just there for the heck of it. If you bought Battlefield for the campaign you should return it. It's a multiplayer game with single player tacked on. Video games used to be the other way around but no longer.

#10 Posted by Grissefar (2842 posts) -

You have to forgive DICE, after all the game is only an incremental upgrade from the predecessor and they only had two years to develop it.. what?

#11 Edited by Ravelle (1198 posts) -

I use the campaign in shooters only to sharpen my aiming and reaction skills for the multiplayer, it's basically just a glorified shooting range.

#12 Posted by Abendlaender (2768 posts) -

@jdh5153 said:

The single player is just there for the heck of it. If you bought Battlefield for the campaign you should return it. It's a multiplayer game with single player tacked on. Video games used to be the other way around but no longer.

Dude I know that. I'm only playing the SP cause my friends don't own the game yet. But still. If there is a SP you can judge it. And it's bad. Really, really bad.

#13 Edited by chiablo (909 posts) -

@jdh5153 said:

The single player is just there for the heck of it. If you bought Battlefield for the campaign you should return it. It's a multiplayer game with single player tacked on. Video games used to be the other way around but no longer.

But next gen is going to shift the paradigm of video games where the single player IS THE MULTIPLAYER, man!

#14 Edited by kmg90 (418 posts) -

Just starting up the single player on PS3, my expectations are not that high since I found most of the AI in BF3 to be a hit and mostly miss with the allies and super aim bots for the enemy...

#15 Posted by chilibean_3 (1626 posts) -

I'm not sure I'm going to waste precious life hours playing through a Battlefield single player.

#16 Posted by GaspoweR (2839 posts) -

@mosdl said:

Welcome to single player shooters. They all have bad ai

That's not true. Ever played FEAR? Also, even compared to "bad" AI the AI in BF 4 is terrible. I've not seen such bad AI in a game since years and BF4 is not just some budget release .

Yeah, FEAR's squad based AI was pretty relentless. Dudes would try to find flanking points, etc.

#17 Posted by TheHBK (5466 posts) -

The AI here is totally retarded. You got your squadmates kinda shooting at them? But they don't stop looking at you. Like what the fuck?

#18 Posted by GERALTITUDE (3018 posts) -

There shouldn't be a SP in this game anyway. Poor DICE, forced and beaten into making this weird CoD clone..

#19 Posted by Vinny_Says (5691 posts) -

I think they're making it as terrible as can be so that their greedy overlords will stop forcing them to make a singleplayer portion in Battlefield. So expect BF5 to be co-developed by DICE and another studio.

Just kidding, I really want a new Bad Company. I'm hoping in Bad Company 3 they capture an enemy soldier and force him to divulge the location of the secret stash of gold but in the end they learn that the other side isn't that different and that they can all get along after all, basically everyone learns a bit about themselves, their comrades and their "enemies". Also it takes place in 1960s Vietnam.

Yeah I learned my lesson after BF3, all the explosions in the world can't make up for endless boring firefights against boneheaded AI.

#20 Posted by Godlyawesomeguy (6390 posts) -

Yup, probably going to continue exclusively playing the multiplayer in mainline Battlefield games if this turns out to be widespread. Probably even if it isn't.

#21 Posted by Raven10 (1743 posts) -

It's sad to say but I enjoyed the single player in the original Medal of Honor reboot more than Battlefield 3 or Medal of Honor Warfighter. I'm not interested in playing Battlefield 4 SP at all. The only good part will likely be the graphics and my computer isn't going to be powerful enough to play it on Ultra settings anyways so I'll just skip it.

#22 Posted by Fredchuckdave (5339 posts) -

@mosdl: Killzone 2 has pretty good AI

#23 Posted by Ubersmake (754 posts) -

@abendlaender, I tried to use the binoculars at that part, and I just couldn't figure it out. Hold Q? Press T? I mashed T for at least a minute without anything happening. So I did what you did, and moved forward.

At least this game has 100% less quick time events involving rats. Unless I'm in for a terrible surprise at the end of the game.

#24 Posted by Abendlaender (2768 posts) -

@abendlaender, I tried to use the binoculars at that part, and I just couldn't figure it out. Hold Q? Press T? I mashed T for at least a minute without anything happening. So I did what you did, and moved forward.

At least this game has 100% less quick time events involving rats. Unless I'm in for a terrible surprise at the end of the game.

You know it also took me some time to get that right. I don't know why, it's not that hard but I had no clue what to do.
Also I just climbed a ladder and suddenly flew through the air, off the ship and in the ocean. I have to admit though, I was enjoying that. I'm actually a bit impressed that it wasn't a Game Over, I just swam around for some time, till I decided there was nothing worthwile in the ocean and quit. This is all really weird, the game looks beautiful and the MP is going to be cool but the SP seems to be a buggy mess with terrible AI and I really don't know how this happens with a game this big (and why no review I've read mentions it)

#25 Posted by mosdl (3228 posts) -
@gaspower said:

@abendlaender said:

@mosdl said:

Welcome to single player shooters. They all have bad ai

That's not true. Ever played FEAR? Also, even compared to "bad" AI the AI in BF 4 is terrible. I've not seen such bad AI in a game since years and BF4 is not just some budget release .

Yeah, FEAR's squad based AI was pretty relentless. Dudes would try to find flanking points, etc.

I saw AI flank me in BF4...flanking doesn't make good AI.

#26 Edited by PandaBear (1312 posts) -

I have 250 hours in Battlefield 3 and think it's probably my game of this generation. I put two hours into the single-player and thought it was hot fucking garbage. NOBODY cares about single-player. Even Black Ops II was highly overrated.

#27 Posted by GaspoweR (2839 posts) -

@mosdl said:
@gaspower said:

@abendlaender said:

@mosdl said:

Welcome to single player shooters. They all have bad ai

That's not true. Ever played FEAR? Also, even compared to "bad" AI the AI in BF 4 is terrible. I've not seen such bad AI in a game since years and BF4 is not just some budget release .

Yeah, FEAR's squad based AI was pretty relentless. Dudes would try to find flanking points, etc.

I saw AI flank me in BF4...flanking doesn't make good AI.

Well, its not just that though. If you played the first FEAR then you'll probably get what we mean. They actually talk to each other, give each other commands, etc. It might not be mighty impressive with me just citing out examples but it was really good.

#28 Posted by Pie (7059 posts) -

@gaspower said:

@mosdl said:
@gaspower said:

@abendlaender said:

@mosdl said:

Welcome to single player shooters. They all have bad ai

That's not true. Ever played FEAR? Also, even compared to "bad" AI the AI in BF 4 is terrible. I've not seen such bad AI in a game since years and BF4 is not just some budget release .

Yeah, FEAR's squad based AI was pretty relentless. Dudes would try to find flanking points, etc.

I saw AI flank me in BF4...flanking doesn't make good AI.

Well, its not just that though. If you played the first FEAR then you'll probably get what we mean. They actually talk to each other, give each other commands, etc. It might not be mighty impressive with me just citing out examples but it was really good.

They actually create the illusion that you are fighting something that is thinking and trying to outdo you which could be pretty scary

#29 Edited by GaspoweR (2839 posts) -

@pie said:

@gaspower said:

@mosdl said:
@gaspower said:

@abendlaender said:

@mosdl said:

Welcome to single player shooters. They all have bad ai

That's not true. Ever played FEAR? Also, even compared to "bad" AI the AI in BF 4 is terrible. I've not seen such bad AI in a game since years and BF4 is not just some budget release .

Yeah, FEAR's squad based AI was pretty relentless. Dudes would try to find flanking points, etc.

I saw AI flank me in BF4...flanking doesn't make good AI.

Well, its not just that though. If you played the first FEAR then you'll probably get what we mean. They actually talk to each other, give each other commands, etc. It might not be mighty impressive with me just citing out examples but it was really good.

They actually create the illusion that you are fighting something that is thinking and trying to outdo you which could be pretty scary

Yep, precisely. I was using lean a lot in that game.

#30 Edited by Marz (5646 posts) -

it's a good thing we all bought battlefield 4 for the multiplayer... am I right!?

#31 Posted by Intro (1206 posts) -

Oh geez man. They run into and push you like crazy. While on the boat I got on a ladder below the AI, and then got fired back into the ocean and couldn't move until I restarted. Other than that, they just run into you and you slide like you're on ice.

#32 Edited by earlygrab666 (42 posts) -

I was surprised to read first reviews saying the sp was good. It's fun if you want more bf4 but fricking barely even a game.

I felt like I was babysitting my squads ai. They constantly get stuck and wont let the story progress until I go back and nudge them forward, literally pushing them. Happens about once an hour. Meanwhile I'm so bored I often find myself on the other side of the ai spawn points than my squad. I'll turn around to wait for my squad ai and see herds of enemy ai, just spawn. At which point they ignore me, perhaps because I passed some imaginary line or they are just that bad. I am then able to just walk around and shoot them unbothered. This feels less like a game with a story or any meaning and more like a shooting range with broken ai.

#33 Edited by GaspoweR (2839 posts) -

@earlygrab666: That's kinda weird. I know there were times that they had a tendency to just hang back but I have never ever got stuck during my entire play through.

#34 Posted by Abendlaender (2768 posts) -

@intro said:

Oh geez man. They run into and push you like crazy. While on the boat I got on a ladder below the AI, and then got fired back into the ocean and couldn't move until I restarted. Other than that, they just run into you and you slide like you're on ice.

The same thing happened to. It was quite amusing I have to say

#35 Posted by Verendus (348 posts) -

I know nobody cares about SP but still.

You got that right, but still made the thread.

#36 Edited by ShaggE (6351 posts) -

@verendus said:
@abendlaender said:

I know nobody cares about SP but still.

You got that right, but still made the thread.

What's wrong with that? It's a video game being discussed on a video game forum.

#37 Posted by Verendus (348 posts) -

@shagge: Nothing? I didn't mean it in a "mean" way. I just meant that majority of players know what to expect when it comes to single player on a game where multiplayer is the main thing.

It took me 2 years to start and finish BF3's multiplayer and that was because I was internetless for few days haha.

#38 Edited by ShaggE (6351 posts) -

@verendus: Apologies, I read that as snark, like "And yet you talked about it instead of properly ignoring it".

#39 Posted by SomeJerk (3159 posts) -

I was writing a long good post about this, the AI, other games, BF3, Blops2, and then I ended up with most of the text marked as I was typing and boom, the text was gone. Undo did jack and shit.

So just pretend there was a lengthy intelligent post here about game AI and how BF4 is actually DICE concentrating and working hard on an SP campaign, only to end up with this. I'd rather do BF3 on hardest again.

#40 Edited by Flappy (2144 posts) -

The only time you should play a Battlefield campaign is when the "Bad Company" name is printed on the box.

Battlefield 3's SP was hot garbage.

#41 Edited by Abendlaender (2768 posts) -

After finishing the SP (Yep, I did it) I have to say I couldn't help to be amused by how weird it was. Obviously MP is the games focus, but the SP is there and was heavily marketed. And I have NO FREAKING IDEA what actually happened during the campaign. Seriously. At some point China attacks the USA and we have to.....ermmm..blow up some jets? And the Russia also attacks the USA? Okay? Then you blow up a boat and that somehow saves everything. What?

And it's not like Dice can't do BF SP don't act like Bad Company didn't happen. As I said, I love the MP and the SP is just so fantasticly aweful, it's almost like watching a movie you enjoy because it's bad. How any review can praise that campaign is beyond me though.

#42 Posted by TheHT (10938 posts) -

You squadmates are the worst. They'll say it's all clear as they run right past an enemy and hang out against a wall getting shot.

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