Did the patch fix the "suicide bombers"

#1 Posted by Sackmanjones (4682 posts) -

I used to love the rush game.... until everyone decided to exploit it and use c4 which almost ruins the fun. Yes I know destroying the box is a way to win but it just happened WAYY to easy.  So Im just curious if the patch fixed this as I havent played in awhile

#2 Posted by mfpantst (2574 posts) -

Wait what, you can use c4 to destroy the boxes in gold rush?  Wasn't it that way in the old game?

#3 Posted by 234r2we232 (3181 posts) -

Wait a minute? There's an exploit in a shooter game that isn't MW2?

#4 Posted by stealthdf2 (168 posts) -

its called strategy, if you cant defend well enough to keep them from blowing it up anyway they want then you lose. DEFEND BETTER!!!!!!!!!!

#5 Posted by 234r2we232 (3181 posts) -
@stealthdf2:  That's what I keep telling people about my aim-bot, bro. But nobody listens!
#6 Edited by stealthdf2 (168 posts) -

if it were an exploit then dice wouldnt acknowledge it as a real strategy. and you cant defend an aimbot but you can kill people to keep them away from the bomb site. i do it all the time. if you guys suck thats a different issue. dont cry about losing and say somethign should be removed just cause you fail at countering it
 
whats next you ask them to remove rockets cause someone used them to blow up the bombsite, or remove tanks for the same reason???

#7 Posted by Mikemcn (6967 posts) -

I drove a C4 Laden ATV into the ditch on the first leg of Port Valdez rush. With only 2 tickets left it was my team's only chance, I killed the MCOM, and about 8 dudes as well as myself, for around 800 points.  We went on to win the game. 
 
Don't take that from me, Battefield is about improvization. I haven't played rush lately so maybe it really is a problem, but if it just you, it should be left alone.

#8 Posted by stealthdf2 (168 posts) -

thats what makes battlefield so awesome!!! you can do so much stuff and you never know whats going to happen. its not predictable like COD games or anything else!

#9 Posted by JoelTGM (5596 posts) -

yeah that stuff wasn't fun.  The little ATV thing drives in and boom it's over.  It wasn't intended and it's not balanced.  The defenders have no instant way of winning, and the attackers weren't supposed to have one either, but apparently it's ok because it's a strategy.  I don't care if it's a strategy it just doesn't make for a fun or interesting game.  What is supposed to happen is the attackers are supposed to attack the box thing, plant the explosives, and then DEFEND it until it detonates.  It was supposed to be a back and forth thing, and if attackers made it to the box it wasn't supposed to be instant win, but with the ATV thing it is.  So as defenders if you let the attackers have an opening anywhere at anytime to get to that box, they win instantly, and the game mode and maps weren't built for that.  but whatever I haven't played in several months...

#10 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

....wait, wait, wait... 
 
....this game lets me suicide bomb?  I'm Arab, so please tell me if this is true or not.  If so, I shall have some fun on PSN when I pick up the game.

#11 Posted by stealthdf2 (168 posts) -

It is only a instant win if you let them get close enough to blow it up. are you forgetting that you have tanks and all kinds of tools to use against them? you can stop them if you try. i think your just not using everything to your advantage. DICE knows that people use all these tactics and they acknowledge them as real valid tactics.
 
in my eyes it makes the game MORE interesting and MORE fun.  but i bet your a fan of COD or some other limited shooter eh?

#12 Posted by Grilledcheez (3945 posts) -

I'll admit it's pretty cheap, but I haven't played to tell you if they weakened it.  

#13 Posted by stealthdf2 (168 posts) -

Its been in the game since the first battlefield game, ive played them all, if you dont like it then go play modern noobfare where you can sit in the corner and have a robot get all your kills for you. 
 
LEARN HOW TO PLAY BATTLEFIELD YOU SCRUBS!!!!!!!!!!!

#14 Posted by Vinny_Says (5700 posts) -

Since you're already letting them be near the box you might as well let them win, even with C4. Defend better and shoot them before they can plant the C4....

#15 Posted by DrPockets000 (2859 posts) -

Put up mines or use RPGs.  It works better than you might think.

#16 Posted by Spoonman671 (4588 posts) -
@stealthdf2 said:
" Its been in the game since the first battlefield game, ive played them all, if you dont like it then go play modern noobfare where you can sit in the corner and have a robot get all your kills for you.   LEARN HOW TO PLAY BATTLEFIELD YOU SCRUBS!!!!!!!!!!! "
That's odd since Rush mode wasn't introduced until Bad Company.  If that's what you consider the "first battlefield game" then you don't have any business calling other people noobs.  Nevermind the fact that only hardcore tools use the term "noob" without a hint of irony.
#17 Posted by InfamousBIG (3200 posts) -
@stealthdf2 said:
" Its been in the game since the first battlefield game, ive played them all, if you dont like it then go play modern noobfare where you can sit in the corner and have a robot get all your kills for you.   LEARN HOW TO PLAY BATTLEFIELD YOU SCRUBS!!!!!!!!!!! "
Whoo! 
 
You're a winner!
#18 Posted by stealthdf2 (168 posts) -
@Spoonman671 said:
" @stealthdf2 said:
" Its been in the game since the first battlefield game, ive played them all, if you dont like it then go play modern noobfare where you can sit in the corner and have a robot get all your kills for you.   LEARN HOW TO PLAY BATTLEFIELD YOU SCRUBS!!!!!!!!!!! "
That's odd since Rush mode wasn't introduced until Bad Company.  If that's what you consider the "first battlefield game" then you don't have any business calling other people noobs.  Nevermind the fact that only hardcore tools use the term "noob" without a hint of irony. "
 i never called anyone a noob, i called modern warfare  nooby compared to battlefield.
 
Suicide bombing has been a part of battlefield since the beginning. whether against an objective or an enemy it has always been part of the game.
#19 Posted by natetodamax (19191 posts) -
@stealthdf2 said:
" thats what makes battlefield so awesome!!! you can do so much stuff and you never know whats going to happen. its not predictable like COD games or anything else! "
Rush is pretty predictable. Either they are planting the charge and blowing it up, or they are blowing it up with C4/rockets if it's in a building.
#20 Posted by stealthdf2 (168 posts) -

 Yes but there are many ways to accomplish the goal. its a bit more involved than team death match or domination gametypes. The vehicles add a whole new layer to the depth of the game. esp when real people are controlling them instead of just activating them and the cpu running the show.
 Console gamers have a harder time dealing with indepth objective based games, which is why 9 times out of 10 in BC2 you end up with a defending team made up of 10 snipers and 2 medics.

#21 Posted by Sackmanjones (4682 posts) -
@stealthdf2:  Trust me I'm not saying they get rid of it I understand its a fine strategy I just think the m-coms need to be more resistant to damage and this patch was supposed to do that.
#22 Posted by Marz (5648 posts) -

 -Reduced all weapon damage to the MCOM by 50%.
- Fixed an C4 vs MCOM exploit on Atacama Desert
 
this is from PC patch notes, yes it takes longer to kill them, i just played a few games trying to kill the mcoms with tanks

#23 Edited by Infininja (881 posts) -

"  Each MCOM Station has 1000 health.

According to Materials, a C4 explosion has a 0.15x multiplier against the "Objective" material.
290 becomes 43.5. Twenty-three C4 stuck to the objective will destroy it.

Given the base damage of the rockets, all three match up with a 0.1x multiplier.
23 hits from the RPG-7, AT-4 and Tank Shells.
29 hits from the Carl Gustav.
32 direct hits from 40mm grenades to destroy the MCOM." "
http://denkirson.xanga.com/722757523/bad-company-2/  

#24 Posted by mfpantst (2574 posts) -

Wow.  This and something about the vietnam thing now really makes me want this game.  Wish that was something i thought of back in the first bad company.

#25 Edited by Geno (6477 posts) -

Any team that can't prevent a person or a massive vehicle from entering their base and damaging a heavily entrenched MCOM deserves to lose. I've only heard of noobs complain of this. When I'm defending, guess what happens when I see some mofo packing C4 heading to the MCOM? I shoot him in the head. Novel concept, I know. 

#26 Posted by jkizzlemurphy (27 posts) -

When I try this, I usually end up dead a lot more than I succeed. So it can backfire easily.

#27 Posted by stealthdf2 (168 posts) -
@Infininja: I dont think they are factoring in the explosives upgrade that cause more damage to be done resulting in 12 c4 needed to blow an mcom. So a 2 man squad with 6 c4 each can blow an mcom in one run. or thats how it used to be at least
#28 Posted by Infininja (881 posts) -
@stealthdf2 said:
" @Infininja: I dont think they are factoring in the explosives upgrade that cause more damage to be done resulting in 12 c4 needed to blow an mcom. So a 2 man squad with 6 c4 each can blow an mcom in one run. or thats how it used to be at least "
If my math is correct, it would take 19 now. The old is not the new.
#29 Edited by jakob187 (21662 posts) -

You are still able to bomb the boxes.  Why?  Because C4...would blow up that box.  It's not rocket science.  It's explosives. 
 
If you seriously can't defend people from getting to the box and blowing it up with C4 or other explosives, then seriously, you need to up your D as a player and a team. 
 
@stealthdf2 said:

" Its been in the game since the first battlefield game, ive played them all, if you dont like it then go play modern noobfare where you can sit in the corner and have a robot get all your kills for you.   LEARN HOW TO PLAY BATTLEFIELD YOU SCRUBS!!!!!!!!!!! "
It's been in there since the first Battlefield game, eh? 
 
Rush Mode, and the subsequent boxes that we're talking about in this thread, were introduced in Bad Company. 
 
Your continued embarrassment and lack of knowledge can be found outside of the door over this way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
#30 Posted by captain_clayman (3320 posts) -

try shooting them.

#31 Posted by FourWude (2261 posts) -

These sort of tactics are in so many online multiplayer games that it shouldn't be a surprise now should it?

Think of blowing vehicles up whilst you're still in it, or people running around with a rocket launcher using them in CQC situations knowing full well they're also going to die. 

Yes it's a cheap tactic, but it's also EXTREMELY commonplace. 

#32 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -
@Marz said:
"  -Reduced all weapon damage to the MCOM by 50%. - Fixed an C4 vs MCOM exploit on Atacama Desert  this is from PC patch notes, yes it takes longer to kill them, i just played a few games trying to kill the mcoms with tanks "
The MCOM exploit was when someone on the defending team set a charge on their own MCOM at the front of building in the base the near the Russian side and it couldn't be blown up at all.
#33 Posted by stealthdf2 (168 posts) -
@jakob187 said:

" You are still able to bomb the boxes.  Why?  Because C4...would blow up that box.  It's not rocket science.  It's explosives. 
 
If you seriously can't defend people from getting to the box and blowing it up with C4 or other explosives, then seriously, you need to up your D as a player and a team. 
 
@stealthdf2 said:

" Its been in the game since the first battlefield game, ive played them all, if you dont like it then go play modern noobfare where you can sit in the corner and have a robot get all your kills for you.   LEARN HOW TO PLAY BATTLEFIELD YOU SCRUBS!!!!!!!!!!! "
It's been in there since the first Battlefield game, eh?  Rush Mode, and the subsequent boxes that we're talking about in this thread, were introduced in Bad Company.  Your continued embarrassment and lack of knowledge can be found outside of the door over this way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "
 
your not very smart are you. read my previous post and then go put your hooked on phonics tape back in so you can brush up on your comprehension skills.
 
  @stealthdf2 said:

" @Spoonman671 said:

" @stealthdf2 said:
" Its been in the game since the first battlefield game, ive played them all, if you dont like it then go play modern noobfare where you can sit in the corner and have a robot get all your kills for you.   LEARN HOW TO PLAY BATTLEFIELD YOU SCRUBS!!!!!!!!!!! "
That's odd since Rush mode wasn't introduced until Bad Company.  If that's what you consider the "first battlefield game" then you don't have any business calling other people noobs.  Nevermind the fact that only hardcore tools use the term "noob" without a hint of irony. "
 i never called anyone a noob, i called modern warfare  nooby compared to battlefield.  Suicide bombing has been a part of battlefield since the beginning. whether against an objective or an enemy it has always been part of the game. "
#34 Edited by eezo (284 posts) -

The fact of the matter is that a "c4 rush" has allways been in the battlefield series... all the way back to 1942 you could put TNT in ur jeep and run it into tanks and shit... it was legit back then and it's legit now.. sure it's annoying when it happens to you, but like people have said, defend better or just stop playing the game all together. My main problem with BC2 is that there are more Wookies than humans and it's really boring tbh
 
edit: Wookies = snipers (for the guys who didn't understand that)

#35 Posted by stealthdf2 (168 posts) -
@eezo said:
" The fact of the matter is that a "c4 rush" has allways been in the battlefield series... all the way back to 1942 you could put TNT in ur jeep and run it into tanks and shit... it was legit back then and it's legit now.. sure it's annoying when it happens to you, but like people have said, defend better or just stop playing the game all together. My main problem with BC2 is that there are more Wookies than humans and it's really boring tbh  edit: Wookies = snipers (for the guys who didn't understand that) "
yes you are 100% correct. thats the problem with majority of console gamers is that they dont understand how to play a game like this correctly when it comes to indepth objectives that require real teamwork and cooperation. instead we end up with a 12 man team consisting of 10 snipers and 2 medics. they really should put a limit on how many people can be a certain class type.
#36 Posted by fentonalpha (819 posts) -

Ahhhh.... many a "Hail Mary" play when down to the last few men saved a round thanks to this.

#37 Posted by eezo (284 posts) -
@stealthdf2 said:
" @eezo said:
" The fact of the matter is that a "c4 rush" has allways been in the battlefield series... all the way back to 1942 you could put TNT in ur jeep and run it into tanks and shit... it was legit back then and it's legit now.. sure it's annoying when it happens to you, but like people have said, defend better or just stop playing the game all together. My main problem with BC2 is that there are more Wookies than humans and it's really boring tbh  edit: Wookies = snipers (for the guys who didn't understand that) "
yes you are 100% correct. thats the problem with majority of console gamers is that they dont understand how to play a game like this correctly when it comes to indepth objectives that require real teamwork and cooperation. instead we end up with a 12 man team consisting of 10 snipers and 2 medics. they really should put a limit on how many people can be a certain class type. "
Pretty much... but then again the "class limitation" thing is used in Americas Army and well it allways just ends up being a race to get sniper then just everyone camps untill the sniper leaves the server and rushes for the sniper "slot" ... so yeah that doesn't really work either. BF is just a game that has to be played in a team focused fashion, but most people don't understand this.. that is also the reason why i can run behind enemy lines and flank them without even thinkin about it... because everyone on the other team runs around like a headless chicken.

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