Due to the further extended PSN Outage, I've joined the ranks of BF:BC 2 players on PC. Here are my first impressions.

• Super pretty and running smooth (rendering at 1080p all cranked up except MSAA)
• Competition way less stiff than expected (PS3 community seems a lot meaner due to a higher percentage of dedicated players and much higher threatlevel choppers)
• Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)
• Vietnam Huey is insanely sturdy in comparison, like a flying tank (steers like one too)
• Server Browser is Mana from Heaven (No problem finding full servers, since there's pages full of 'em for both vanilla and Vietnam)
• Conquest is better with 32 players (naturally), while Rush seemed worse (respawn times are too quick for defenders, making successful attacking harder than it should be)
• mixed modes servers (running Rush AND Conquest - sorely missed on consoles)
  

Oh - some asshat stole my BF-handle. So instead of ExMaloBonum like on PS3 and 360, I'm going under XMB-ExMaloBonum on PC. Playing out of Switzerland/Europe. Non-Steam-Version.

Low threat level choppers? There are people who can absolutely tear up on PC, especially if they have a joystick.

" Low threat level choppers? There are people who can absolutely tear up on PC, especially if they have a joystick.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Bad Company 2 on PC.
"

I'm a BC2 PS3 player too, but it just picked it up from the Steam sale along with BF2. Game looks super nice on max settings for sure. Sadly havent gotten the time to properly play some matches, but i'm looking forward to it.

" Low threat level choppers? There are people who can absolutely tear up on PC, especially if they have a joystick.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Bad Company 2 on PC.
"

Strafe choppers on consoles is the dumbest thing.

Maybe you should play more of it on pc before you form msconceptions. It's not because the ps3 is better because of a gamepad, or whatever, it's because on pc everyone is so much more effective at aiming. Spraying and praying isn't going to help you here. Also I suppose helicopter controls are more difficult on the pc.

" Maybe you should play more of it on pc before you form msconceptions. It's not because the ps3 is better because of a gamepad, or whatever, it's because on pc everyone is so much more effective at aiming. Spraying and praying isn't going to help you here. Also I suppose helicopter controls are more difficult on the pc. "

Yeah, I also moved from PS3 to PC (or both in parallel). My main impressions were:
* the game is more "twitchy" on the PC, split second reaction matters more than "mind games", learning the map, attack from the right angle
* everything is a sniperfest = snipers totally dominating, but
* servers limit the number of snipers is great, though I often play sniper class with a shotgun for the motion mines and the mortar which is not taken into account
* just selecting full servers from the browser = awesome
* mixed mode server = even more awesome
* then getting pwned by the same team over and over again = awful (thats really my main con-argument against server browser. I do not have a clan or friends playing. I free float, and like my teams scrambled. like TF2)
* punkbuster kicking me out of the game, because it could not update (I can note believe the is still a thing with PC gaming.)

Well, I just bought the PC version and it's downloading now so.... see how this goes I guess.

" Yeah, I also moved from PS3 to PC (or both in parallel). My main impressions were: * the game is more "twitchy" on the PC, split second reaction matters more than "mind games", learning the map, attack from the right angle * everything is a sniperfest = snipers totally dominating, but * servers limit the number of snipers is great, though I often play sniper class with a shotgun for the motion mines and the mortar which is not taken into account * just selecting full servers from the browser = awesome * mixed mode server = even more awesome * then getting pwned by the same team over and over again = awful (thats really my main con-argument against server browser. I do not have a clan or friends playing. I free float, and like my teams scrambled. like TF2) * punkbuster kicking me out of the game, because it could not update (I can note believe the is still a thing with PC gaming.) "

Normal. I have to admit that I am very much a CQC guy.

• Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)

" @Seppli said:

• Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)

You just have to find a right guy to fly with. Believe me, with a great pilot even a Blackhawk is deadly as hell. "

Fucking great. Either use an outdated Xpadder or pay 10$. Why the fuck didn't DICE put proper gamepad support in the game.

" @evilrazer said:

" @Seppli said:

• Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)

You just have to find a right guy to fly with. Believe me, with a great pilot even a Blackhawk is deadly as hell. "

Usually I'm that guy. I'm both an excellent gunner and a proficient pilot. All I need is to get my PS3 pad to work for flying. God damn PC gaming. Never plug & play. Xpadder and MotionJoy and whatnot file tempering. Blech. Giving me headache. Can't wait for the next generation of consoles.Or at least PSN to come back online. Will be a bitch to get BF3 to control just right on PC. Hate that shit. "

" @Seppli said:

" @evilrazer said:

" @Seppli said:

• Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)

You just have to find a right guy to fly with. Believe me, with a great pilot even a Blackhawk is deadly as hell. "

Usually I'm that guy. I'm both an excellent gunner and a proficient pilot. All I need is to get my PS3 pad to work for flying. God damn PC gaming. Never plug & play. Xpadder and MotionJoy and whatnot file tempering. Blech. Giving me headache. Can't wait for the next generation of consoles.Or at least PSN to come back online. Will be a bitch to get BF3 to control just right on PC. Hate that shit. "

3 ways to solve your problem:1. Try and learn to fly with a mouse. I know what are you talking about when you say that flying on a gamepad is much better, I've played BC2 Beta on PS3 and chopper controls are really sharp and precise.2. You buy a flight sick.3. You map your Dualshock buttons to BFBC2 via Xpadder, because DICE excluded gamepad support month after release of the game due to "balance issues". "

" @Seppli: So you hate the fact that you can make your controller work on a system that is wasn't designed for? PS3 controller was designed for a ummm PS3. Sony didn't design their controller to work on anything but a PS3, so thus you hate the "PC gaming philosophy" cause you can make it work by using 3rd party software and simple guide? Actually the platform supports plenty of game pads, its up to the game developers to determine how well they work in their games. "

" Due to the further extended PSN Outage, I've joined the ranks of BF:BC 2 players on PC. Here are my first impressions.

• Super pretty and running smooth (rendering at 1080p all cranked up except MSAA)
• Competition way less stiff than expected (PS3 community seems a lot meaner due to a higher percentage of dedicated players and much higher threatlevel choppers)
• Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)
• Vietnam Huey is insanely sturdy in comparison, like a flying tank (steers like one too)
• Server Browser is Mana from Heaven (No problem finding full servers, since there's pages full of 'em for both vanilla and Vietnam)
• Conquest is better with 32 players (naturally), while Rush seemed worse (respawn times are too quick for defenders, making successful attacking harder than it should be)
• mixed modes servers (running Rush AND Conquest - sorely missed on consoles)
  

Surprisingly - I don't feel like infantry is posing a higher threat due to KB&M controls. There are no players at a total loss, like you'll see on gamepads, but it's far from the headshot fest I feared it to be. Overall, I'd say the competition is less stiff on PC, since its casual audience seems to make up a larger portion of its playerbase than on consoles, where players seem to be more dedicated. Hardly saw any rank 50 players in my first session. Also - the low threatlevel choppers change how the game feels a lot. So relaxing and low stress. Being somewhat of a choppa-ho myself, that's a double-edged sword. Guess it's to the game's benefit overall. "

Maybe if you have a problem with aim on the pc, like not helicoptor stuff, but normal shooting, you need more experience with the keyboard and mouse. It sounds like you don't know how to aim yet, which takes more time and practice to get good on the pc. If you tell me your good at aiming, I won't take your word for it from what your saying about the gamepad and gamepad support.

This is pure craziness. Seppili, use your own advice you spew out in all the console BF threads. Learn to play better and have fun.

" @Seppli said:

" Due to the further extended PSN Outage, I've joined the ranks of BF:BC 2 players on PC. Here are my first impressions.

• Super pretty and running smooth (rendering at 1080p all cranked up except MSAA)
• Competition way less stiff than expected (PS3 community seems a lot meaner due to a higher percentage of dedicated players and much higher threatlevel choppers)
• Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)
• Vietnam Huey is insanely sturdy in comparison, like a flying tank (steers like one too)
• Server Browser is Mana from Heaven (No problem finding full servers, since there's pages full of 'em for both vanilla and Vietnam)
• Conquest is better with 32 players (naturally), while Rush seemed worse (respawn times are too quick for defenders, making successful attacking harder than it should be)
• mixed modes servers (running Rush AND Conquest - sorely missed on consoles)
  

Surprisingly - I don't feel like infantry is posing a higher threat due to KB&M controls. There are no players at a total loss, like you'll see on gamepads, but it's far from the headshot fest I feared it to be. Overall, I'd say the competition is less stiff on PC, since its casual audience seems to make up a larger portion of its playerbase than on consoles, where players seem to be more dedicated. Hardly saw any rank 50 players in my first session. Also - the low threatlevel choppers change how the game feels a lot. So relaxing and low stress. Being somewhat of a choppa-ho myself, that's a double-edged sword. Guess it's to the game's benefit overall. "

You're playing on shit servers against nubs, obviously.  Almost every server I play on is filled with rank 50 players with gold guns.  How this is even possible so late in the game is beyond me and frankly I think you're making it up. "

" @Dread612 said:

" @Seppli: So you hate the fact that you can make your controller work on a system that is wasn't designed for? PS3 controller was designed for a ummm PS3. Sony didn't design their controller to work on anything but a PS3, so thus you hate the "PC gaming philosophy" cause you can make it work by using 3rd party software and simple guide? Actually the platform supports plenty of game pads, its up to the game developers to determine how well they work in their games. "

I know for a fact gamepads work better for vehicle and turret controls than KB&M - especially choppers and planes. Performance-wise you'll be able to do the same as dudes with expensive flightsticks - on a gamepad (360/PS3) almost every 'serious' gamer has lying around. So does everyone who played BF:BC 2 on both a console and on PC. There isn't any reason for not natively supporting gamepads. Hence - I'm pissed off at the lacking support.It's a PC gaming staple to make shit fit to ones likes and dislikes. It goes from stuff like putting work into getting your controls to work just the way you want them to, as far as changing visibility by reducing detail and disabling effects and increasing FOV. Same goes for peripherals and generally hardware power. The disparity between gameplay experiences can be huge. A far cry from an even playing field. A non-cohesive experience. Which fine for SP games - you get what you pay for - but rather unfair in MP games. And that's all within what's legit.It's a question of likes and dislikes. I fucking hate the modularity part of PC gaming. I prefer an even playing field for my online competitve gaming. I prefer games being one way and not open to tinkering. As I said, I'm a consumer, not some fucking engineer. Those who make gamepads work for their vehicular gameplay are at a HUGE competitive advantage. Not supporting gamepads outright is a fucking atrocity. "

You had a PC that could run it well and yet you played in the console? WHY?!?!

" You had a PC that could run it well and yet you played in the console? WHY?!?! "

" @MrKlorox: @SeriouslyNow: Gamepad support? Really? That's news to me. Didn't even try to set it up yet, after seing Xpadder being pay2play. Everything I read so far on the topic on the EA UK BF forums said it doesn't.I know that a minorty uses KB&M setups on consoles. While KB&M is admittedly faster, it's not that much faster. It's not even in the same ballpark in comparison to what's going on in the PC-sphere of gaming when it comes to gameplay disparity and advantages for those who have better hardware and/or modify their clients and use 3rd party software. "

1. Battlefield games are always best on PC.
2. BC2 supports gamepad and joystick out of the box (just not the XBOX 360 or PS3 controller - most probably due to corporate business practices of market separation so crazy people like you can think that PC games don't offer what consoles do).
3. Almost every commercial title on PC supports game controllers of every description. 
   

" @Seppli said:

" @MrKlorox: @SeriouslyNow: Gamepad support? Really? That's news to me. Didn't even try to set it up yet, after seing Xpadder being pay2play. Everything I read so far on the topic on the EA UK BF forums said it doesn't.I know that a minorty uses KB&M setups on consoles. While KB&M is admittedly faster, it's not that much faster. It's not even in the same ballpark in comparison to what's going on in the PC-sphere of gaming when it comes to gameplay disparity and advantages for those who have better hardware and/or modify their clients and use 3rd party software. "

The game has support for PC controllers of all variety right in the menus.  You didn't even try to set the game up with one and you complain of lacking support.  Your last ANTI PC WHINE on BC2 was just as full of crap and crazy as this one is. 

1. Battlefield games are always best on PC.
2. BC2 supports gamepad and joystick out of the box (just not the XBOX 360 or PS3 controller - most probably due to corporate business practices of market separation so crazy people like you can think that PC games don't offer what consoles do).
3. Almost every commercial title on PC supports game controllers of every description. 
   

Stop making up reasons to hate PC to justify your love of consoles.  You're a madman and not in the cool or interesting way. "

" You had a PC that could run it well and yet you played in the console? WHY?!?! "

" @Dread612: 

dont tell him he can hook up a 360 gamepad. its not like most of the world plays their emulators that way...

"

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @Seppli said:

" @MrKlorox: @SeriouslyNow: Gamepad support? Really? That's news to me. Didn't even try to set it up yet, after seing Xpadder being pay2play. Everything I read so far on the topic on the EA UK BF forums said it doesn't.I know that a minorty uses KB&M setups on consoles. While KB&M is admittedly faster, it's not that much faster. It's not even in the same ballpark in comparison to what's going on in the PC-sphere of gaming when it comes to gameplay disparity and advantages for those who have better hardware and/or modify their clients and use 3rd party software. "

The game has support for PC controllers of all variety right in the menus.  You didn't even try to set the game up with one and you complain of lacking support.  Your last ANTI PC WHINE on BC2 was just as full of crap and crazy as this one is. 

1. Battlefield games are always best on PC.
2. BC2 supports gamepad and joystick out of the box (just not the XBOX 360 or PS3 controller - most probably due to corporate business practices of market separation so crazy people like you can think that PC games don't offer what consoles do).
3. Almost every commercial title on PC supports game controllers of every description. 
   

Stop making up reasons to hate PC to justify your love of consoles.  You're a madman and not in the cool or interesting way. "

Dude - I can't plug and play a gamepad with BF:BC 2. 'Nuff said.I'm no tinkerer. I hate tinkering. PC gaming has 100% more tinkering than I care for. Outside of PC exclusives, I only do it, because the market apparently ain't ready for the next console generation yet. Doesn't make me a madman. You're a madman for taking it the way you do. I don't like the way gaming works on PC. I've always played games on PC, always will. Doesn't mean I have to like it.Hate is a strong word and sometimes appropriate for how I feel about the subject matter of PC gaming. You're mad for not taking me by my word. I just don't like it. I have my reasons. Believe me or don't. "

" @Seppli: Wait and you'll see, Besides PS3 helis aren't that badass anyway.  ---  Note: After reading the full treat I honestly think you just come here to troll and start a shitty good old Consoles vs PC .. yeah, I see no good intentions in your comments LAME!

Also it's pretty obvious you not a "Tinkerer" you are pretty much in the other side of the equation.  "

PSN Outage Over. Spent a couple of hours back on PSN and BF:BC 2 & Vietnam.

Had gunner playing Phu Bai Conquest flying Huey. Swung Huey like a golf club into a jeep (enabled by environmental dmg invulnerability when with passenger). Jeep flew in a high arc from capture point Bravo. Shot it and the camping dude in it to smithereens before they hit the ground.

That's a 'cool story bro' gamepad-is-superior-for-vehicular-BF-play moment of the day. Thank you very much. Goodbye.


P.S. still playing BF:BC 2 on PC primarily now. It's a whole lot of frames and shit more and I really need to be my best for BF3, which I'm obviously gonna play on PC because luckily I've got that option. I'm on my way up anyways. Getting better every day. Sticking mostly to OldGuysGaming.eu servers. Good ping. No-hairbrain rules except 4 sniper rifles max. per team and nice mixed modes servers for both Vietnam and Vanilla. Just what the doctor ordered. Already hit the 24h mark today and am on my last unlock. I really don't like playing medic. I need my explosives.

Again, stop pretending like you can't use controllers on the PC version and ignoring the fact that most pilots use flightsticks.

I just read through three threads that were shutdown due to fanboy bullshit.

Again, stop pretending like you can't use controllers on the PC version and ignoring the fact that most pilots use flightsticks.I just read through three threads that were shutdown due to fanboy bullshit.

SeriouslyNow was right. You're a nutter.

SeriouslyNow was right. You're a nutter.