PSN Outage Extended - Joining the PC Community - First Impression

#1 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -

Due to the further extended PSN Outage, I've joined the ranks of BF:BC 2 players on PC. Here are my first impressions.

  • Super pretty and running smooth (rendering at 1080p all cranked up except MSAA)
  • Competition way less stiff than expected (PS3 community seems a lot meaner due to a higher percentage of dedicated players and much higher threatlevel choppers)
  • Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)
  • Vietnam Huey is insanely sturdy in comparison, like a flying tank (steers like one too)
  • Server Browser is Mana from Heaven (No problem finding full servers, since there's pages full of 'em for both vanilla and Vietnam)
  • Conquest is better with 32 players (naturally), while Rush seemed worse (respawn times are too quick for defenders, making successful attacking harder than it should be)
  • mixed modes servers (running Rush AND Conquest - sorely missed on consoles)

Surprisingly - I don't feel like infantry is posing a higher threat due to KB&M controls. There are no players at a total loss, like you'll see on gamepads, but it's far from the headshot fest I feared it to be. Overall, I'd say the competition is less stiff on PC, since its casual audience seems to make up a larger portion of its playerbase than on consoles, where players seem to be more dedicated. Hardly saw any rank 50 players in my first session. Also - the low threatlevel choppers change how the game feels a lot. So relaxing and low stress. Being somewhat of a choppa-ho myself, that's a double-edged sword. Guess it's to the game's benefit overall.
#2 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -

Oh - some asshat stole my BF-handle. So instead of ExMaloBonum like on PS3 and 360, I'm going under XMB-ExMaloBonum on PC. Playing out of Switzerland/Europe. Non-Steam-Version.

#3 Posted by cyraxible (688 posts) -

Low threat level choppers? There are people who can absolutely tear up on PC, especially if they have a joystick.


Welcome to the wonderful world of Bad Company 2 on PC.
#4 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@cyraxible said:

" Low threat level choppers? There are people who can absolutely tear up on PC, especially if they have a joystick.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Bad Company 2 on PC.
"

I doubt they're even nearly as dangerous as PS3 chopper aces. The controls and simulations are way slower and more wheighty and less 'physical' on PC. Governed by a completely different ruleset. Still gotta set up my client to use my Dualshock 3 for flying. Gonna take some file tinkering apparently. I'll see soon enough what can be done on PC after setting that up.
#5 Posted by pornstorestiffi (4922 posts) -

I'm a BC2 PS3 player too, but it just picked it up from the Steam sale along with BF2. Game looks super nice on max settings for sure. Sadly havent gotten the time to properly play some matches, but i'm looking forward to it.

#6 Edited by JEC03 (901 posts) -
@cyraxible said:

" Low threat level choppers? There are people who can absolutely tear up on PC, especially if they have a joystick.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Bad Company 2 on PC.
"

True about the chopper although they did nerf them compared to BF2.Anyways yea the game is better on PC I don't play anymore I got burned out after I hit 50 rank PC community always is great most of the time.
#7 Posted by Riddell (342 posts) -

Strafe choppers on consoles is the dumbest thing.

#8 Posted by HitmanAgent47 (8576 posts) -

Maybe you should play more of it on pc before you form msconceptions. It's not because the ps3 is better because of a gamepad, or whatever, it's because on pc everyone is so much more effective at aiming. Spraying and praying isn't going to help you here. Also I suppose helicopter controls are more difficult on the pc.

#9 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@Riddell:

Circlestrafing ain't the only manouver that's enabled by proper gamepad chopper controls. If you'd ever seen my personal brand of Huey flying (hovering and sidestrafing very close to the ground with the capacity of sustained well-aimed rocket barrages at any given target), you'd not doubt the inferority of BF:BC 2's PC chopper controls.

On Phu Bai Rush - I just love the faces of the defenders camping inside of the bunker with BRAVO in it, when I manouver the chopper right in-front of it and deliver my payload in their faces and taking off unharmed after it - in a matter of seconds. Best feeling in the world.
#10 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@HitmanAgent47 said:

" Maybe you should play more of it on pc before you form msconceptions. It's not because the ps3 is better because of a gamepad, or whatever, it's because on pc everyone is so much more effective at aiming. Spraying and praying isn't going to help you here. Also I suppose helicopter controls are more difficult on the pc. "

Nay it's a well-known fact that choppers handle way differently on PC than on consoles. Vietam Huey's are closer. Still, both are proper gimp in comparison. Even if you go through the hassle and set-up gamepad/joystick support.

On anohter topic. The best thing thus far is, other than 32 player Conquest, mixed modes rotation servers. Changing from Rush to Conquest in a rotation is the best thing ever and sorely missed on consoles.
#11 Edited by Wuddel (2094 posts) -

Yeah, I also moved from PS3 to PC (or both in parallel). My main impressions were:
* the game is more "twitchy" on the PC, split second reaction matters more than "mind games", learning the map, attack from the right angle
* everything is a sniperfest = snipers totally dominating, but
* servers limit the number of snipers is great, though I often play sniper class with a shotgun for the motion mines and the mortar which is not taken into account
* just selecting full servers from the browser = awesome
* mixed mode server = even more awesome
* then getting pwned by the same team over and over again = awful (thats really my main con-argument against server browser. I do not have a clan or friends playing. I free float, and like my teams scrambled. like TF2)
* punkbuster kicking me out of the game, because it could not update (I can note believe the is still a thing with PC gaming.)

#12 Posted by Donos (1195 posts) -

Well, I just bought the PC version and it's downloading now so.... see how this goes I guess.

#13 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@Wuddel said:

" Yeah, I also moved from PS3 to PC (or both in parallel). My main impressions were: * the game is more "twitchy" on the PC, split second reaction matters more than "mind games", learning the map, attack from the right angle * everything is a sniperfest = snipers totally dominating, but * servers limit the number of snipers is great, though I often play sniper class with a shotgun for the motion mines and the mortar which is not taken into account * just selecting full servers from the browser = awesome * mixed mode server = even more awesome * then getting pwned by the same team over and over again = awful (thats really my main con-argument against server browser. I do not have a clan or friends playing. I free float, and like my teams scrambled. like TF2) * punkbuster kicking me out of the game, because it could not update (I can note believe the is still a thing with PC gaming.) "

You playing normal or hardcore? Didn't have any issues with OP snipers. Motion Mine spam and USAS-12/Saiga is a total bitch. Guess I just didn't get onto one of them super-narrow maps yet.
#14 Posted by Wuddel (2094 posts) -

Normal. I have to admit that I am very much a CQC guy.

#15 Posted by evilrazer (489 posts) -
@Seppli said:
  • Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)
You just have to find a right guy to fly with. Believe me, with a great pilot even a Blackhawk is deadly as hell.
#16 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@evilrazer said:

" @Seppli said:

  • Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)
You just have to find a right guy to fly with. Believe me, with a great pilot even a Blackhawk is deadly as hell. "
Usually I'm that guy. I'm both an excellent gunner and a proficient pilot. All I need is to get my PS3 pad to work for flying. God damn PC gaming. Never plug & play. Xpadder and MotionJoy and whatnot file tempering. Blech. Giving me headache. Can't wait for the next generation of consoles.

Or at least PSN to come back online. Will be a bitch to get BF3 to control just right on PC. Hate that shit. Too bad there ain't gonna be content parity, so I'm forced to go with PC.
#17 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -

Fucking great. Either use an outdated Xpadder or pay 10$. Why the fuck didn't DICE put proper gamepad support in the game.

#18 Edited by evilrazer (489 posts) -
@Seppli said:

" @evilrazer said:

" @Seppli said:

  • Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)
You just have to find a right guy to fly with. Believe me, with a great pilot even a Blackhawk is deadly as hell. "
Usually I'm that guy. I'm both an excellent gunner and a proficient pilot. All I need is to get my PS3 pad to work for flying. God damn PC gaming. Never plug & play. Xpadder and MotionJoy and whatnot file tempering. Blech. Giving me headache. Can't wait for the next generation of consoles.Or at least PSN to come back online. Will be a bitch to get BF3 to control just right on PC. Hate that shit. "
3 ways to solve your problem:
1. Try and learn to fly with a mouse. I know what are you talking about when you say that flying on a gamepad is much better, I've played BC2 Beta on PS3 and chopper controls are really sharp and precise.
2. You buy a flight sick.
3. You map your Dualshock buttons to BFBC2 via Xpadder, because DICE excluded gamepad support month after release of the game due to "balance issues".
#19 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@evilrazer said:
" @Seppli said:

" @evilrazer said:

" @Seppli said:

  • Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)
You just have to find a right guy to fly with. Believe me, with a great pilot even a Blackhawk is deadly as hell. "
Usually I'm that guy. I'm both an excellent gunner and a proficient pilot. All I need is to get my PS3 pad to work for flying. God damn PC gaming. Never plug & play. Xpadder and MotionJoy and whatnot file tempering. Blech. Giving me headache. Can't wait for the next generation of consoles.Or at least PSN to come back online. Will be a bitch to get BF3 to control just right on PC. Hate that shit. "
3 ways to solve your problem:1. Try and learn to fly with a mouse. I know what are you talking about when you say that flying on a gamepad is much better, I've played BC2 Beta on PS3 and chopper controls are really sharp and precise.2. You buy a flight sick.3. You map your Dualshock buttons to BFBC2 via Xpadder, because DICE excluded gamepad support month after release of the game due to "balance issues". "
No disrespect. Just hate that philosophy of PC gaming. 'If it doesn't fit, make it fit.' - I'm a consumer, not some semi-software/hardware engineer making shit fit. It either fits or sucks. The lack of native gamepad support sucks. Choppers and many turrets and mounted guns just don't control as well with KB&M and it's killing my enjoyment of the game.
#20 Posted by Dread612 (167 posts) -
@Seppli: So you hate the fact that you can make your controller work on a system that is wasn't designed for? PS3 controller was designed for a ummm PS3. Sony didn't design their controller to work on anything but a PS3, so thus you hate the "PC gaming philosophy" cause you can make it work by using 3rd party software and simple guide? Actually the platform supports plenty of game pads, its up to the game developers to determine how well they work in their games.
#21 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@Dread612 said:

" @Seppli: So you hate the fact that you can make your controller work on a system that is wasn't designed for? PS3 controller was designed for a ummm PS3. Sony didn't design their controller to work on anything but a PS3, so thus you hate the "PC gaming philosophy" cause you can make it work by using 3rd party software and simple guide? Actually the platform supports plenty of game pads, its up to the game developers to determine how well they work in their games. "

I know for a fact gamepads work better for vehicle and turret controls than KB&M - especially choppers and planes. Performance-wise you'll be able to do the same as dudes with expensive flightsticks - on a gamepad (360/PS3) almost every 'serious' gamer has lying around. So does everyone who played BF:BC 2 on both a console and on PC. There isn't any reason for not natively supporting gamepads. Hence - I'm pissed off at the lacking support.

It's a PC gaming staple to make shit fit to ones likes and dislikes. It goes from stuff like putting work into getting your controls to work just the way you want them to, as far as changing visibility by reducing detail and disabling effects and increasing FOV. Same goes for peripherals and generally hardware power. The disparity between gameplay experiences can be huge. A far cry from an even playing field. A non-cohesive experience. Which fine for SP games - you get what you pay for - but rather unfair in MP games. And that's all within what's legit.

It's a question of likes and dislikes. I fucking hate the modularity part of PC gaming. I prefer an even playing field for my online competitve gaming. I prefer games being one way and not open to tinkering. As I said, I'm a consumer, not some fucking engineer. Those who make gamepads work for their vehicular gameplay are at a HUGE competitive advantage. Not supporting gamepads outright is a fucking atrocity.
#22 Edited by Donos (1195 posts) -
@Seppli: Yesterday I would've agreed with you about the vehicle controls being unbalanced, but after spending a couple hours with the PC version.... dude that stuff's fine. Ground vehicles are identical and mouse/keyboard controls work just as well as a gamepad for helicopters. The only difference is that helicopter mouse-control sensitivity maxes out a bit too low so I cannot get the same turning speed as on console, but that just needs a balance patch (or is the result of one) and shouldn't be any different with a gamepad. I agree that there really ought to be proper gamepad support, but you're not at some competitive disadvantage without it. If DICE decided to exclude gamepad for balance reasons, I can only think it would be to stop gamepadders from getting killed by mouse aim (though looking at the standard of both sets of players, I think they would be fine).
#23 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -
@Seppli said:
" Due to the further extended PSN Outage, I've joined the ranks of BF:BC 2 players on PC. Here are my first impressions.
  • Super pretty and running smooth (rendering at 1080p all cranked up except MSAA)
  • Competition way less stiff than expected (PS3 community seems a lot meaner due to a higher percentage of dedicated players and much higher threatlevel choppers)
  • Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)
  • Vietnam Huey is insanely sturdy in comparison, like a flying tank (steers like one too)
  • Server Browser is Mana from Heaven (No problem finding full servers, since there's pages full of 'em for both vanilla and Vietnam)
  • Conquest is better with 32 players (naturally), while Rush seemed worse (respawn times are too quick for defenders, making successful attacking harder than it should be)
  • mixed modes servers (running Rush AND Conquest - sorely missed on consoles)
Surprisingly - I don't feel like infantry is posing a higher threat due to KB&M controls. There are no players at a total loss, like you'll see on gamepads, but it's far from the headshot fest I feared it to be. Overall, I'd say the competition is less stiff on PC, since its casual audience seems to make up a larger portion of its playerbase than on consoles, where players seem to be more dedicated. Hardly saw any rank 50 players in my first session. Also - the low threatlevel choppers change how the game feels a lot. So relaxing and low stress. Being somewhat of a choppa-ho myself, that's a double-edged sword. Guess it's to the game's benefit overall. "
You're playing on shit servers against nubs, obviously.  Almost every server I play on is filled with rank 50 players with gold guns.  How this is even possible so late in the game is beyond me and frankly I think you're making it up.
#24 Posted by Donos (1195 posts) -
@SeriouslyNow: Guess I'm playing on shit servers with nubs too then. It really sucks how much fun we're having.
#25 Edited by HitmanAgent47 (8576 posts) -

Maybe if you have a problem with aim on the pc, like not helicoptor stuff, but normal shooting, you need more experience with the keyboard and mouse. It sounds like you don't know how to aim yet, which takes more time and practice to get good on the pc. If you tell me your good at aiming, I won't take your word for it from what your saying about the gamepad and gamepad support.

#26 Posted by MrKlorox (11209 posts) -

This is pure craziness. Seppili, use your own advice you spew out in all the console BF threads. Learn to play better and have fun.

#27 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@SeriouslyNow said:

" @Seppli said:

" Due to the further extended PSN Outage, I've joined the ranks of BF:BC 2 players on PC. Here are my first impressions.

  • Super pretty and running smooth (rendering at 1080p all cranked up except MSAA)
  • Competition way less stiff than expected (PS3 community seems a lot meaner due to a higher percentage of dedicated players and much higher threatlevel choppers)
  • Choppers are a joke in comparison (controls are so awkward and the threatlevel is superlow)
  • Vietnam Huey is insanely sturdy in comparison, like a flying tank (steers like one too)
  • Server Browser is Mana from Heaven (No problem finding full servers, since there's pages full of 'em for both vanilla and Vietnam)
  • Conquest is better with 32 players (naturally), while Rush seemed worse (respawn times are too quick for defenders, making successful attacking harder than it should be)
  • mixed modes servers (running Rush AND Conquest - sorely missed on consoles)
Surprisingly - I don't feel like infantry is posing a higher threat due to KB&M controls. There are no players at a total loss, like you'll see on gamepads, but it's far from the headshot fest I feared it to be. Overall, I'd say the competition is less stiff on PC, since its casual audience seems to make up a larger portion of its playerbase than on consoles, where players seem to be more dedicated. Hardly saw any rank 50 players in my first session. Also - the low threatlevel choppers change how the game feels a lot. So relaxing and low stress. Being somewhat of a choppa-ho myself, that's a double-edged sword. Guess it's to the game's benefit overall. "
You're playing on shit servers against nubs, obviously.  Almost every server I play on is filled with rank 50 players with gold guns.  How this is even possible so late in the game is beyond me and frankly I think you're making it up. "
What is a gold gun? You mean 'platinum' with 1000+ kills? Or just 100+ kills gold stars?

Guess it's the influx of new players from the recent Steam sales and PS3 players fed up with the outage.

Set your severbrowser filter to Europe and come join us then. It's probably just a way more lively community with a higher influx of new players than the US.
#28 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@Donos: @HitmanAgent47: @MrKlorox:

I'm doing perfectly fine on foot. Without perks and all the good stuff, I'm consistently scoring in the top 1/3. Not as good a K/D as I'm used to yet. Ground vehicles are fine too.

Turret work cannot be as natural as with analogsticks. Reseting the mouse for turning is a hassle I'm not used to. Far from being a big turn-off, nontheless, given the opportunity, I'd do so on a gamepad. While I can fly the choppers and already got a couple of kills with them with classic WASD and Key-Arrows combo, there's no comparing the two interface methods. Even really good chopper pilots are far cry from what I'm used to on consoles (except for the insane survivability on Vietnam Hueys). Comparatively sitting ducks. Can't wait for my AT4.

Missed my first Ace Pin by a couple of points last night, guess I'll get it soon enough. I'm already better than most, just not when flying the chopper. Mainly because I'm too cheap to pay for Xpadder to get my gamepad to work. Gamepads are just way better suited for vehicle play.
#29 Edited by MrKlorox (11209 posts) -
@Seppli: You keep talking like you can't use analog sticks or a controller to fly choppers or manipulate turrets. This isn't true as the game has good controller support (not great since it does not auto-map the controls to the console counterpart). It sounds more like your PS3 controller drivers are the culprit than the game. I even have the analog stick on my keyboard set up to help me fly, and can do so with one hand (wasd + thumbstick), albeit not well since I never practice. I had my 360 controller set up for flying for a while, but ended up changing to the analog stick on my keyboard. The wireless 360 controllers can't do custom drivers very well so the triggers are useless, but your PS3 controller won't have that issue once you get it set up right. (edit: Xpadder and Motionjoy are jokes. They remove any analog functionality)

Regarding the turret panning: this is the first PC BF to not allow separate sensitivities for mounted weapons (vehicles). There might be something deep in the control config files to fix this, but my solution is from a multi-dpi mouse and a large mousing surface. I just press the button that raises my mouse resolution and turrets are perfectly panable up to somewhere around 540 degrees.

Also you say that everybody is on the same level playing field on PS3. Have you never seen the FragFX cheater controllers? It's literally a mouse and half a controller. That's like bringing a gun to a knife fight.

And yes, following Steam sales, the competition isn't as steep for a week or two while new folks learn the game or decide to quit. This is a natural anomaly. But also keep in mind that BF skills do transfer between platforms, so ending up in the top third should be expected if you're good on console. I've got a friend who is a COD fanboy who is supposedly pretty good at his game; but when we played a couple rounds of BC2 after he got it during the recent sale, he was always in the bottom four.
#30 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -
@Seppli said:
" @Dread612 said:

" @Seppli: So you hate the fact that you can make your controller work on a system that is wasn't designed for? PS3 controller was designed for a ummm PS3. Sony didn't design their controller to work on anything but a PS3, so thus you hate the "PC gaming philosophy" cause you can make it work by using 3rd party software and simple guide? Actually the platform supports plenty of game pads, its up to the game developers to determine how well they work in their games. "

I know for a fact gamepads work better for vehicle and turret controls than KB&M - especially choppers and planes. Performance-wise you'll be able to do the same as dudes with expensive flightsticks - on a gamepad (360/PS3) almost every 'serious' gamer has lying around. So does everyone who played BF:BC 2 on both a console and on PC. There isn't any reason for not natively supporting gamepads. Hence - I'm pissed off at the lacking support.It's a PC gaming staple to make shit fit to ones likes and dislikes. It goes from stuff like putting work into getting your controls to work just the way you want them to, as far as changing visibility by reducing detail and disabling effects and increasing FOV. Same goes for peripherals and generally hardware power. The disparity between gameplay experiences can be huge. A far cry from an even playing field. A non-cohesive experience. Which fine for SP games - you get what you pay for - but rather unfair in MP games. And that's all within what's legit.It's a question of likes and dislikes. I fucking hate the modularity part of PC gaming. I prefer an even playing field for my online competitve gaming. I prefer games being one way and not open to tinkering. As I said, I'm a consumer, not some fucking engineer. Those who make gamepads work for their vehicular gameplay are at a HUGE competitive advantage. Not supporting gamepads outright is a fucking atrocity. "
The game supports gamepads outright, it just doesn't support CONSOLE gamepads outright.  Ye gods, you're so full of ignorant bluster.
#31 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@MrKlorox: @SeriouslyNow:

Gamepad support? Really? That's news to me. Didn't even try to set it up yet, after seing Xpadder being pay2play. Everything I read so far on the topic on the EA UK BF forums said it doesn't.

I know that a minorty uses KB&M setups on consoles. While KB&M is admittedly faster, it's not that much faster. It's not even in the same ballpark in comparison to what's going on in the PC-sphere of gaming when it comes to gameplay disparity and advantages for those who have better hardware and/or modify their clients and use 3rd party software.
#32 Posted by xyzygy (10008 posts) -

You had a PC that could run it well and yet you played in the console? WHY?!?!

#33 Posted by scarace360 (4828 posts) -
@xyzygy said:
" You had a PC that could run it well and yet you played in the console? WHY?!?! "
Crazy people. Never gonna understand em.
#34 Posted by awe_stuck (800 posts) -
@Dread612: 

dont tell him he can hook up a 360 gamepad. its not like most of the world plays their emulators that way...
#35 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -
@Seppli said:
" @MrKlorox: @SeriouslyNow: Gamepad support? Really? That's news to me. Didn't even try to set it up yet, after seing Xpadder being pay2play. Everything I read so far on the topic on the EA UK BF forums said it doesn't.I know that a minorty uses KB&M setups on consoles. While KB&M is admittedly faster, it's not that much faster. It's not even in the same ballpark in comparison to what's going on in the PC-sphere of gaming when it comes to gameplay disparity and advantages for those who have better hardware and/or modify their clients and use 3rd party software. "
The game has support for PC controllers of all variety right in the menus.  You didn't even try to set the game up with one and you complain of lacking support.  Your last ANTI PC WHINE on BC2 was just as full of crap and crazy as this one is. 

  1. Battlefield games are always best on PC.
  2. BC2 supports gamepad and joystick out of the box (just not the XBOX 360 or PS3 controller - most probably due to corporate business practices of market separation so crazy people like you can think that PC games don't offer what consoles do).
  3. Almost every commercial title on PC supports game controllers of every description. 
Stop making up reasons to hate PC to justify your love of consoles.  You're a madman and not in the cool or interesting way.
#36 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@SeriouslyNow said:

" @Seppli said:

" @MrKlorox: @SeriouslyNow: Gamepad support? Really? That's news to me. Didn't even try to set it up yet, after seing Xpadder being pay2play. Everything I read so far on the topic on the EA UK BF forums said it doesn't.I know that a minorty uses KB&M setups on consoles. While KB&M is admittedly faster, it's not that much faster. It's not even in the same ballpark in comparison to what's going on in the PC-sphere of gaming when it comes to gameplay disparity and advantages for those who have better hardware and/or modify their clients and use 3rd party software. "

The game has support for PC controllers of all variety right in the menus.  You didn't even try to set the game up with one and you complain of lacking support.  Your last ANTI PC WHINE on BC2 was just as full of crap and crazy as this one is. 

  1. Battlefield games are always best on PC.
  2. BC2 supports gamepad and joystick out of the box (just not the XBOX 360 or PS3 controller - most probably due to corporate business practices of market separation so crazy people like you can think that PC games don't offer what consoles do).
  3. Almost every commercial title on PC supports game controllers of every description. 
Stop making up reasons to hate PC to justify your love of consoles.  You're a madman and not in the cool or interesting way. "
Dude - I can't plug and play a gamepad with BF:BC 2. 'Nuff said.

I'm no tinkerer. I hate tinkering. PC gaming has 100% more tinkering than I care for. Outside of PC exclusives, I only do it, because the market apparently ain't ready for the next console generation yet. Doesn't make me a madman. You're a madman for taking it the way you do. I don't like the way gaming works on PC. I've always played games on PC, always will. Doesn't mean I have to like it.

Hate is a strong word and sometimes appropriate for how I feel about the subject matter of PC gaming. You're mad for not taking me by my word. I just don't like it. I have my reasons. Believe me or don't.
#37 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@xyzygy said:

" You had a PC that could run it well and yet you played in the console? WHY?!?! "

Battlefield:Bad Company 2 & Vietnam is best played with a gamepad. Don't have to believe me, but it's true. PCs don't do gamepads well or gamepads don't do well on PC; either way, if you want to play with a gamepad, you better play on consoles.

In fact, I believe Battlefield as a genre is best played with a gamepad rather than with KB&M (and any mix of peripherals). Much more cohesive controls and a more immersive experience.

@awe_stuck said:
" @Dread612: 

dont tell him he can hook up a 360 gamepad. its not like most of the world plays their emulators that way...
"

Are you one of them proud pirates waving his 'Jolly Roger' around like it's something to be proud of? I've got a proper SNES pad adaptor like a boss - for playing games I actually own.
#38 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -
@Seppli said:
" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @Seppli said:

" @MrKlorox: @SeriouslyNow: Gamepad support? Really? That's news to me. Didn't even try to set it up yet, after seing Xpadder being pay2play. Everything I read so far on the topic on the EA UK BF forums said it doesn't.I know that a minorty uses KB&M setups on consoles. While KB&M is admittedly faster, it's not that much faster. It's not even in the same ballpark in comparison to what's going on in the PC-sphere of gaming when it comes to gameplay disparity and advantages for those who have better hardware and/or modify their clients and use 3rd party software. "

The game has support for PC controllers of all variety right in the menus.  You didn't even try to set the game up with one and you complain of lacking support.  Your last ANTI PC WHINE on BC2 was just as full of crap and crazy as this one is. 

  1. Battlefield games are always best on PC.
  2. BC2 supports gamepad and joystick out of the box (just not the XBOX 360 or PS3 controller - most probably due to corporate business practices of market separation so crazy people like you can think that PC games don't offer what consoles do).
  3. Almost every commercial title on PC supports game controllers of every description. 
Stop making up reasons to hate PC to justify your love of consoles.  You're a madman and not in the cool or interesting way. "
Dude - I can't plug and play a gamepad with BF:BC 2. 'Nuff said.I'm no tinkerer. I hate tinkering. PC gaming has 100% more tinkering than I care for. Outside of PC exclusives, I only do it, because the market apparently ain't ready for the next console generation yet. Doesn't make me a madman. You're a madman for taking it the way you do. I don't like the way gaming works on PC. I've always played games on PC, always will. Doesn't mean I have to like it.Hate is a strong word and sometimes appropriate for how I feel about the subject matter of PC gaming. You're mad for not taking me by my word. I just don't like it. I have my reasons. Believe me or don't. "
OK mate, think you whatever you want you crazy person.
#39 Edited by DonPixel (2585 posts) -
@Seppli: Wait and you'll see, Besides PS3 helis aren't that badass anyway.  ---  Note: After reading the full treat I honestly think you just come here to troll and start a shitty good old Consoles vs PC .. yeah, I see no good intentions in your comments LAME!

Also it's pretty obvious you not a "Tinkerer" you are pretty much in the other side of the equation. 
#40 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@DonPixel said:

" @Seppli: Wait and you'll see, Besides PS3 helis aren't that badass anyway.  ---  Note: After reading the full treat I honestly think you just come here to troll and start a shitty good old Consoles vs PC .. yeah, I see no good intentions in your comments LAME!

Also it's pretty obvious you not a "Tinkerer" you are pretty much in the other side of the equation.  "

It's not like I derailed the thread. More like them 'PC enthusiasts' took a offense with a tiny bit of my mostly positive OP. Still stand by my statement though. Vehicular controls (and hence the entirety of the exprience) are best on a gamepad and BF:BC 2 doesn't do gamepads well (or at all - without tinkering and 3rd party software, at least for my standard wired 360 pad, which is in-fact the current gamepad standard for Windows PCs). Not trolling, just stating the obvious. Not being able to deal with it is entirely 'Seriously Now's and the likes shortcoming.
#41 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -

PSN Outage Over. Spent a couple of hours back on PSN and BF:BC 2 & Vietnam.

Had gunner playing Phu Bai Conquest flying Huey. Swung Huey like a golf club into a jeep (enabled by environmental dmg invulnerability when with passenger). Jeep flew in a high arc from capture point Bravo. Shot it and the camping dude in it to smithereens before they hit the ground.

That's a 'cool story bro' gamepad-is-superior-for-vehicular-BF-play moment of the day. Thank you very much. Goodbye.


P.S. still playing BF:BC 2 on PC primarily now. It's a whole lot of frames and shit more and I really need to be my best for BF3, which I'm obviously gonna play on PC because luckily I've got that option. I'm on my way up anyways. Getting better every day. Sticking mostly to OldGuysGaming.eu servers. Good ping. No-hairbrain rules except 4 sniper rifles max. per team and nice mixed modes servers for both Vietnam and Vanilla. Just what the doctor ordered. Already hit the 24h mark today and am on my last unlock. I really don't like playing medic. I need my explosives.

#42 Posted by MrKlorox (11209 posts) -

Again, stop pretending like you can't use controllers on the PC version and ignoring the fact that most pilots use flightsticks.

I just read through three threads that were shutdown due to fanboy bullshit.

#43 Edited by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@MrKlorox said:

Again, stop pretending like you can't use controllers on the PC version and ignoring the fact that most pilots use flightsticks.I just read through three threads that were shutdown due to fanboy bullshit.


Again. Without 3rd party software you can't. I tried. You also can't set tank turret sensitivity without 3rd party software either. The most popular program for client tweaking allows for a whole lot of stuff I'm not okay with in terms of visibility and playability. Not going to do it. Just gonna stick to KB only flying and getting pretty good at it. A far cry from the 'going flawless' beast I am on PS3 (and I'll never get there on KB alone) - but there it is.

DICE doesn't officially support gamepads for BF:BC 2 and that's who I'm fucking blaming specifically. Not PC gaming per se. Just that there's no proper gamepad support because of shitty PC fanboys who don't want anything 'console'-like in their games. Not even as an option. I hate them so much. Stop defending PC gaming like it's your baby. It has its upsides and downsides. That much you have to admit.
 
Whatever dude. If you don't want to hear my opinions. Stay the fuck away from my threads. Thank you very much.
#44 Posted by MrKlorox (11209 posts) -

SeriouslyNow was right. You're a nutter.

#45 Posted by Seppli (10251 posts) -
@MrKlorox said:
SeriouslyNow was right. You're a nutter.
Obviously I must be crazy if I prefer playing Battlefield : Bad Company 2 & Vietnam on consoles rather than on PC.

Seriously, if you want to insult me or something. Stick a foot in it next time.

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