ONOS! You were able to find out information about a Blizzard employee! That is like sooo hard! Ahmaga! Oh my gulay!
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Blizzard Reverses Real ID Forum Policy
They may have relented for now but I'm sure this will crop up again in the future. They'll just find a way to ease everyone into it once the community is accustomed to the new Battle.net.
As opposed to dicks creating fake names in their profile. Cause you know how honest they all are when asked for their real first and last names. What, do you expect everyone to have to verify it by scanning their driver's license or some form of photo ID? Yeah, that would go over really well." Great. Now dicks can hide behind their usernames again. "
As I said -- This policy never even passed the Commonsense Test. It's really no surprise they reversed it.
" From what I gather..."
Then you gather poorly, Other Brad:
http://www.wow.com/2010/07/06/blizzards-responses-on-the-real-id-situation/#comments
" It's sad to see that Megan Meier lost again. This is why I was in agreement with Real ID: http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/686259/the_girl_who_will_change_the_internet.html It's unfortunate that the harassment can continue and people won't have to answer for for their terrible actions and attitudes. "Forcing everyday people to remove the veil of anonymity does not curb harassment or lighten attitudes, it just ensures those that would harass a way to remain anonymous while your everyday normal person is stuck with their name attached to everything they've posted on a Google indexed forum.
No good would have come of 'Real ID'.
" Saying something comes from a "vocal minority" is a very poor debate tactic. It's right up there with using "some people say" to make an outlandish claim while ducking personal responsibility, and the "slippery slope" fallacy. Any complaint can be said to be coming from a "vocal minority" and suddenly the burden of proof is on your opponent to prove otherwise? No, screw you, that's not how it works. Let's try an example we should all be able to get behind. A "vocal minority" of GameSpot users feel that Jeff Gerstmann shouldn't have been fired from GameSpot. This would be "technically" true, because most people who use GameSpot don't even have forum accounts and never gave their opinion on the matter. Does that suddenly mean Jeff Gerstmann SHOULD have been fired from GameSpot? After all, everyone who complained about it was just a vocal minority. "Quoted for Justice
Well, two things:
Real ID is still around in the actual games themselves and anyone who supports it is either a blizzard fanatic or unaware of how the internet is full of crazy people and how giving just your name exposes you to harassment, racism, trolling and even worse (if rare) situations. It is an unnecessary measure that adds nothing to the game by itself and instead limits your ability to use features you can find in any other game without them requiring you to expose yourself.
In the second topic, this article is fucking terrible. I don't want the writer being a little dipshit and dismissing people's opinion as silly, much less making fun of them and claiming they are "a vocal minority" when this has been talked around so much in a ton of places.
This reads like something you'd find in a newspaper written by someone who has no clue about videogames and should have NO place in giantbomb.
" Well, two things:1. Real ID inside the game is a grand idea if given the option to turn it off/Opt In Opt out. Sure, it's just like Facebook, but at least they aren't forcing you to reveal your full name in an indexed, public place.
Real ID is still around in the actual games themselves and anyone who supports it is either a blizzard fanatic or unaware of how the internet is full of crazy people and how giving just your name exposes you to harassment, racism, trolling and even worse (if rare) situations. It is an unnecessary measure that adds nothing to the game by itself and instead limits your ability to use features you can find in any other game without them requiring you to expose yourself. In the second topic, this article is fucking terrible. I don't want the writer being a little dipshit and dismissing people's opinion as silly, much less making fun of them and claiming they are "a vocal minority" when this has been talked around so much in a ton of places. This reads like something you'd find in a newspaper written by someone who has no clue about videogames and should have NO place in giantbomb. "
2. This website is full of editorials, Brad didn't even make his true opinion known. Also, calling him a little dipshit makes you look base and ignorable.
And again, the REAL Psychos. Guys like the group Annonymus... they will find out who you are. The internet is never going to be completely safe.
People have to be able to back up their words.
If you're some weirdo teenager, going onine with weird-ass innuendo, saying stuff you would never say in real life, then you are fucked in the head.
Real ID is only the beginning. The days of the "anonymous" internet are numbered.
Get used to it, freaks.
" @SpaceInsomniac said:" Saying something comes from a "vocal minority" is a very poor debate tactic. It's right up there with using "some people say" to make an outlandish claim while ducking personal responsibility, and the "slippery slope" fallacy. Any complaint can be said to be coming from a "vocal minority" and suddenly the burden of proof is on your opponent to prove otherwise? No, screw you, that's not how it works. Let's try an example we should all be able to get behind. A "vocal minority" of GameSpot users feel that Jeff Gerstmann shouldn't have been fired from GameSpot. This would be "technically" true, because most people who use GameSpot don't even have forum accounts and never gave their opinion on the matter. Does that suddenly mean Jeff Gerstmann SHOULD have been fired from GameSpot? After all, everyone who complained about it was just a vocal minority. "Quoted for Justice "
" @Detrian said:1- How could it possibly be a "grand idea"? To accomplish what?" Well, two things:1. Real ID inside the game is a grand idea if given the option to turn it off/Opt In Opt out. Sure, it's just like Facebook, but at least they aren't forcing you to reveal your full name in an indexed, public place. 2. This website is full of editorials, Brad didn't even make his true opinion known. Also, calling him a little dipshit makes you look base and ignorable. "
Real ID is still around in the actual games themselves and anyone who supports it is either a blizzard fanatic or unaware of how the internet is full of crazy people and how giving just your name exposes you to harassment, racism, trolling and even worse (if rare) situations. It is an unnecessary measure that adds nothing to the game by itself and instead limits your ability to use features you can find in any other game without them requiring you to expose yourself. In the second topic, this article is fucking terrible. I don't want the writer being a little dipshit and dismissing people's opinion as silly, much less making fun of them and claiming they are "a vocal minority" when this has been talked around so much in a ton of places. This reads like something you'd find in a newspaper written by someone who has no clue about videogames and should have NO place in giantbomb. "
2- Brad typed the article. There was no one behind him telling him what to write. Stop defending staff just because you think they are somehow untouchable/your buddies.
Man, I am really disappointed that Blizzard buckled. I think having to put up your real name on the forums would've been great. Most trolls don't have the balls to back shit up, so having to put up your real identity would've been great to combat that. Kind of wish the Whiskey Media sites would do that.
I was among the small group of people somewhat excited for this change. I can see and understand the objections, but accountability is something the internet truly lacks. What is needed is a way to be held to account, on record, without compromising privacy. Anything put in a public place should be public property.
But, I guess I get this mindset coming from a very, very small town in a very small province. There aren't even six degrees of seperation here, and my attitude is I don't say anything I don't want on the front page of the local paper.
You do realize that people like that would instead turn to stalk people online and harass them, right?" Man, I am really disappointed that Blizzard buckled. I think having to put up your real name on the forums would've been great. Most trolls don't have the balls to back shit up, so having to put up your real identity would've been great to combat that. Kind of wish the Whiskey Media sites would do that. "
@Kyle said:
How about women, kids and people around the world who don't have super patriotic names like yours and would get targeted by scumbags?" As proven by their actions, the only people that would have to worry about having their real name listed next to their forum posts are the kind of people who are big enough dirt bags to be the ones hunting down peoples personal information. Kyle Thomas Churchill, motherfuckers. "
Basically, if you have good karma and you give someone a +rep it gets put into a tier 3 +rep category. If you're hovering around an average karma, like a new user, and you +rep it goes into a tier 2 +rep category. And if you're below the average, and you +rep, it gets put into the tier 1 category. Same applies for -rep. Figuring out your standing depends on the averages of all the users.
I understand this would be a lot to show the boards on a per post basis, so you would also need a karma total for both good and bad. What this would do is add up tier 1, 2 & 3 for good karma and throw that under your name when you post. Same with bad karma.
This would eventually make all trolls powerless on forums, especially if all users embrace the system.
Steam's forums already limit you to one +rep a day, which is good, because you save it for a time when you read either something truly amazing, hilarious, or both. Limiting a -rep in the same way could work. I mean, a troll can only do it once a day, so chances are they won't get very far in bringing down the house.
"From what I gather... A vocal minority didn't like this idea. "
Way to swallow the corporate Activision Blizzard kool-aid Brad. They have been spreading this false idea of a "vocal minority" that doesn't like them or their recent policies and that is just totally false. Much closer to a vocal majority. But I have to hand it to them, it sure has convinced guillable people like Mr. Nicholson to parrot on Giant Bomb whatever buzzword PR spin Activision Blizzard chooses to spout out. Free and unfiltered Activision Blizzard propoganda always has a home here from at least one paid member of the Giant Bomb staff. Guess that campaign of reforming Activision's image is working out (at least in some quarters).
"So, you can stop posting Blizzard developers' phone numbers, pictures, and other freaky information, jerks."
Funny how this new flip-flop change of direction comes right after Activision Blizzard employees are subjected to the kind of scrutiny that forum users were afraid of. Those "jerks" that Mr. Nicholson calls them, accomplished more in one day than a week of the so called "vocal minority" forcasting exactly what would probably happen. And what did happen was far, far from a worst case scenario. Thankfully with Activision Blizzard's total 180 we won't ever see what the worst case scenario could be.
I feel I have to address something here, because some people are just plain crazy/angry at Brad Nicholson. Ever since he's been associated with Giant Bomb I read 10+ times in every single article he writes. "wow, what an awful article", "Man, Giantbombs getting shittier", or "wow, way to steal images from another site". Stupid shit like this really irks me.
Let's face the facts. Brad Nicholson haters all have hard-ons for Jeff, Ryan, Vinny, Brad Shoemaker, Dave and Drew. Just because Brad Nicholson doesn't appear in the videos on the site, people don't know his personality, his figures of speech, the way he forms expressions, etc.. and for some odd reason he gets bashed with every article he writes because of it. Now, I might be in the minority in defending him, but I have to point this out because I know I'm not wrong here.
Brad Nicholson is a video game journalist and his name gets published with everything he writes. You don't understand what that's like because you hide behind your user name. When ever he writes something people know exactly who he is. Well... except for Giant Bomb's apparent majority. (I'm not literally implying that a majority of Giant Bomb's users hate Brad, just making a point.)
TRY to understand HIS point of view on this. He probably doesn't have the sense of insecurity that we all have when it comes to our name being publicly broadcast to everyone else. Therefore, he doesn't see the amount of people getting angry with the whole thing as a majority. Maybe because he is of a different mind set than us.
The only reason I don't see Matt getting bashed when he writes is because he was a user on Giant Bomb before he became an intern, and he appears in some videos. I don't know if you all understand how much harder it is to reply to a thread in which you've been successively bashed in, without letting it affect your emotions.
I've seen it hundreds of times, nay thousands.
Threads usually start off peaceful and eventually turn into a rage filled page of ridiculousness. It's fucking stupid. Everyone's a culprit for this is the awful ways of the internet. There are times I say something and get insulted and I will probably be insulted for writing this.
All I'm really getting at is, why Brad Nicholson? NOBODY EVER TALKS SHIT ABOUT THE REST OF THE STAFF. Get a grip folks, he works here too.
tl;dr: Don't come on forums if you're not going to read. Also don't bash Brad because he's doing a good job.
" People have to be able to back up their words. If you're some weirdo teenager, going onine with weird-ass innuendo, saying stuff you would never say in real life, then you are fucked in the head. Real ID is only the beginning. The days of the "anonymous" internet are numbered. Get used to it, freaks. "Truer words.
There is no right to privacy on the internet. When you say something in person, you are held accountable for it. There's no reason the Internet needs it's own set of rules. Behave like human beings, and nobody will have any problems.
That's really the main problem with the article. He's alienating much of the the GB community who think that Real ID was a bad idea by dismissing the people who opposed as being nothing but trolls and jerks who look up people's personal information on the internet just for the lulz (when in fact it was done to prove a point, and it was the best and only way to prove said point in a way that Blizzard might care about). I definitely don't approve of calling and visiting the poor Blizzard employee who put his name out there, but you can't say that stuff caught anyone by surprise. The guy was kind of asking for it after putting his name out there (which is why I have doubts it was even his real name).
Meh, whatever. This bullshit will just come up again in 6months when they implement it for realsies.
And that's coming from a certifiable optimist.
@DanceDanceKennypants said:
" People have to be able to back up their words. If you're some weirdo teenager, going onine with weird-ass innuendo, saying stuff you would never say in real life, then you are fucked in the head. Real ID is only the beginning. The days of the "anonymous" internet are numbered. Get used to it, freaks. "Uh, no they aren't.
Fantastic. Just Fantastic." I was waiting for a chance to post this
"
Also on topic: The in-game realID stuff isn't so bad, as that is supposedly enabled by you and you can decide which friends in your friends list can see your name in full. If I'm wrong of what I read on it, please reply back.
Also Brad Nicholson, please exercise the use of saying that certain things are your opinion more clearly, and do not accidentally mask it in words that try to make it seem more like fact when it is not. Never before have I seen so much backlash over something Blizzard has done, with literally thousands of responses entered in the Wow forums alone, and relatively it isn't a concern of a minority at all. Also just say if you do not think it was a big deal in the first place, at least explain your stance so we can all agree to disagree at the very least.
I would expect Jeff Gerstmann to also like the idea of realID's, as he did show positive signs to ideas revolving user accountability. I really want to hear what he and the rest of the Giant Bomb team think of this matter, though in the end their opinions may be trivial, as they already have their names out there and are not your average user anyway.
There will always be a need for anonymity in the world. If you don't know why, do some more exploration in the internet and see how it can be used for good, and not merely for trolling in forums or getting away with offensive messages.
" here are some points for people who think that this real ID was a good idea... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBwTpHNZDpQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJq1Al37N5A&feature=channel "How can you ask me to watch a video that doesn't contain a box of kittens?! Madness!
Seriously though, I know Husky makes good points, but I'm not changing my stance that easily here. Yes, people can do bad things with your name, but if everyone knew everyone else's, it wouldn't be a big deal.
I give out my name to everyone I meet at my job, and I haven't got any stalkers yet.
This." A vocal minority didn't like it? That means a silent majority liked it? Thats one of the stupidest thing I've ever heard. "
WTF is that supposed to even mean?!? Already fucking sick of game developers/ puiblishers using the "vocal minority"-scapegoat. If it's that irrelevant then just ignore the minority - it's what everyone else does ;)
Man, I don't get into the style of these news items at all: this one especially just apes the corporate message and I can get that from Blizzard - why would I need this uninformative and judgemental text?
I think Penny-Arcade summed it up pretty well along with the link in the news post. Yes in some cases it would increase accountability, but in others people would see themselves as the hammer of justice and go way too far. On top of that what if they do harass the wrong person? That does not prove that there is no danger in this policy it is just another scary problem.
Can' Blizzard use those real names behind the scenes to enforce accountability. Have better moderation tied to in game penalties. Seeing as you use your account to post. Be a big enough jerk loose a few days. How about all of your characters show up when you post so you can't hide behind a mule? See the internet itself has a privacy problem and when you combine how poorly Facebook handles your privacy (pretty much open to the world until you dial it down) with a reason for people to google your name(you pissed them off in a forum) you get a dangerous situation.
Also to all of you posting personal information to prove a point: Two things:
1. Posting your own in this situation is asking for trouble I suggest you don't.
2. You would not advocate for better gun control by shooting people don't breach peoples PI to prove it can happen.
all the people that would have these REAL id's also have facebook right? what's the big deal? I think real id should be implemented in every MMO. It would cut down a ton on gold sellers, bot programs, and account fraud. Oh wait, no it wouldn't. But it would be funny hearing about the first time someone bought a plane ticket to attack a dude that scammed him in a game.
" A vocal minority didn't like it? That means a silent majority liked it? Thats one of the stupidest thing I've ever heard. "
This. This is a bullshit analysis, Nicholson, don't push your personal politics on us in your news 'updates.'
@Gaff said:
" @MichaelScott said:Well, no matter how you try to spin it, that's still your opinion. I also have a "sneaking suspicion" that most people would probably be against it for the most part, but would still post on the site." @atomic_dumpling said:I have a sneaking suspicion that of the 12 million subscribers a relatively small portion has seen the forums, a smaller portion has posted on the forums, and a smaller portion has an opinion on that. "" There was an uglier side to the rabble, as documented by VG247 and Kotaku. Some users began throwing out personal details of Blizzard employees, phone numbers and the like, in a sorry attempt to prove a point.I strongly disagree with the implication that this was some sort of sorry perverted vendetta. You know, I could just as easily check up on a certain Brad Nicholson. I bet you would be thrilled to read every detail of your private life. "Seriously. Also, the "vocal minority" part smells like bullshit. I have a hard time believing that anyone thought RealID was truly a great idea. "
This is definitely one of the most poorly written articles I have ever seen. He inserted his own opinion (sneakily I might add) into an otherwise straight news story (or gaming news story). He could have easily just said "in my opinion, I think it was a few people speaking out" or something like that not "a vocal minority didn't like this story" especially without having any substance to back that claim up.
I personally don't care, because I don't post on Blizzard forums. I am for privacy though, but it is their site, they do have a right to implement something like this, just was we have a right not to participate and boycott them and tell others not to partake. That being said, I would still vote against an idea.
I think some peoples' reaction to this has been immature though. I also think some people who are for the idea, speaking up now, are acting no better than the immature people who were against the idea. You can actually say that the people who are now apparently for the idea, and speaking up now, are the vocal minority, but that's just my opinion ;).
I thought it was a good idea. I already use my real name as a display name for everything, except GB, they don't let you change a username here unfortunately. I don't see what the big deal was about displaying our proper names on the forum. Then you wouldn't get all the trolls posting crap under anonymous names.
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