Bayonetta 2 developer blog

#1 Edited by Icemael (6320 posts) -

http://platinumgames.com/2014/06/27/character-design-pt-1-bayonetta-and-jeanne/

The keyword for Jeanne’s concept design in Bayonetta 2 is “casual.” Design started when Kamiya came up to me and said “I want to put her on a bike. Draw me a biker suit.”

Jeanne is one of Kamiya’s favorite characters, so most anything Hashimoto and I said would get shot down instantly. I just drew biker suit after biker suit until one was approved. There were actually a few more he liked, but they all maintained a relative simplicity similar to her final approved outfit.

I didn’t intend to accentuate this part of her in my concept art, but Kamiya said Jeanne looks flatter than ever. He was happy about it too, so that’s fine I guess.

http://platinumgames.com/2014/07/04/figuring-out-damage-motion/

For this blog, I’d like to talk specifically about damage motion for enemies. You know, that motion you see when you land a huge deathblow on an enemy and they get knocked back and explode or whatever. You might have never thought that deeply about it, but for an action game, getting the right reaction out of the enemy after you’ve pulled off a killer combo is absolutely critical. Do a slack job and the thrill of battle will turn into a total letdown. Enemy damage motion is something I’ve always regarded as highly important in the games I’ve worked on. I always am asking myself if there’s not something new I can try to create more satisfying combat than before.

My challenge to myself for Bayonetta 2 was to create the right enemy motion for each attack. We had plenty of enemy reactions that would change depending on what attack Bayonetta performed, but I wanted to take this further for Bayonetta 2.

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Doing a little research, I realized that the enemies in Bayonetta 2 have an average of 3.5x the number of reactions as those in the original.

http://platinumgames.com/2014/07/11/at-e3/

We were asked all sorts of questions. A favorite question of mine was, “Most games fall back on a hero rescuing some helpless female character. What were your reasons to have Bayonetta feature a strong female protagonist?” This was more a question directed toward the Bayonetta series rather than just Bayonetta 2. There were people who doubted the choice of a female protagonist ever since we first revealed the original game’s development. Our internal team, on the other hand, didn't mind. We just thought it would be interesting to have the main character be a witch. From there, we expanded on the concept: instead of thinking about how a female protagonist would limit us, we thought about what we could do because Bayonetta was female.

http://platinumgames.com/2014/07/18/cities-and-waterways/

I liked the concept art for the first game better, but oddly enough, I do think the in-game models based on these new designs are an improvement. I don't know if it's that the modelers and animators are better this time around or if the new designs are just better suited to 3D.

Anyway, it's interesting to see how much thinking and effort goes into every tiny detail, like the colour balance on Bayonetta's guns or the curvature of the roads. Also, you don't think much about the enemy reaction animations when you're playing a game (unless they stand out as particularly stiff or particularly excellent), but when you look at the videos directly comparing Bayonetta to Bayonetta 2 you can really tell the difference. It definitely looks like hitting enemies will be more satisfying with the new animations.

And notice the reason for Bayonetta being a strong female protagonist: "We just thought it would be interesting to have the main character be a witch." Not "we felt we needed to balance inequalities, we did it for justice, it's our responsibility to represent the underrepresented". No: "we thought it would be interesting, we thought it would be cool, we had a creative idea-- our taste guided us".

#2 Edited by Fredchuckdave (5479 posts) -

@icemael: Screw platinum, I came to this thread for your commentary.

Sadly I might eventually have to buy a Wii U if they make like 4 or 5 Xeno games and a bunch more platinum games.

Here's a random youtube video:

#4 Posted by TruthTellah (9074 posts) -

@icemael: That third paragraph by you is glorious. I didn't even read the quoted blog posts. All I need is your commentary on it. http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/chansub-global-emoticon-3a624954918104fe-19x27.png

#5 Edited by TruthTellah (9074 posts) -
@icemael said:
And notice the reason for Bayonetta being a strong female protagonist: "We just thought it would be interesting to have the main character be a witch." Not "we felt we needed to balance inequalities, we did it for justice, it's our responsibility to represent the underrepresented". No: "we thought it would be interesting, we thought it would be cool, we had a creative idea-- our taste guided us".

Also, all kidding aside, I think they may argue that a strong female protagonist is "interesting" and "cool" exactly because of that under-representation. That's sort of the point. If everyone did it, it probably wouldn't be as interesting or unique.

So, I don't think there's any reason to somehow set up a false dichotomy between pursuing diversity and pursuing interesting characters; often, diversity is part of what makes characters interesting, cool, and creative. :)

#6 Posted by TobbRobb (4647 posts) -

Thanks for the blog links! I really enjoy reading these. The Revengeance ones were more interesting, but that is also a much weirder game on many levels. I greatly appreciate your snarky commentary as well, so keep that up too. :P

And this is probably the most versatile quote. If you consider female and witch x/y variables this exact quote could be used for literally any character decision they make.

"We just thought it would be interesting to have the main character be a witch. From there, we expanded on the concept: instead of thinking about how a female protagonist would limit us, we thought about what we could do because Bayonetta was female. Of course, a likeable character is an important thing, but to us, getting the controls right is always top priority. I’m sure there might be fans out there that have some reluctance towards playing as a female, but we’re confident that we’ve made Bayonetta look and feel as great as any PlatinumGames character should."

#7 Posted by ESREVER (2691 posts) -

Please just give me Short Hair Bayo already, the wait is killing me. I will prolly end up playing through the first one again when I get it "bundled" with the second.

I saw the vid that compared Bayo1 and Bayo2 enemy reactions when hit. Its a little thing, but I appreciate how much thought and care they're putting into this sequel. Afterall, this is the game I got a WiiU for.

#8 Edited by Fredchuckdave (5479 posts) -

@truthtellah: I for one am pleased at the diversity shown for those people with torsos 1/4th the size of their legs. Its Japan, they don't give a fuck about diversity.

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