Leigh Alexander on Bayonetta

#1 Posted by pakx (922 posts) -

 http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/213466/bayonetta-empowering-or-exploitative/
 
cool little article from friend of Giantbomb Leigh Alexander.
 

#2 Posted by Gabriel (4055 posts) -

They need to get her back on the podcast, Nazi uniforms FTW

#3 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11488 posts) -
@Gabriel said:
" They need to get her back on the podcast, Nazi uniforms FTW "
Ugh no thank you. Maybe you weren't here when it happened, but there was a huge amount of backlash when she appeared on the Bombcast the last time. There was not just one, but two massive hate threads about her. Maybe she would be better sober (less obnoxious interruptions, like how Metal Gear Solid is the greatest art piece ever, how Resident Evil should have more sex, and how Microsoft is for frat boys) but I don't know...
 
As for the article itself, standard Gamasutra style bullshit. Who cares about how Bayonetta is portrayed? It's a video game, not an art house indie film.
#4 Posted by mordukai (7140 posts) -
@ArbitraryWater said:
" @Gabriel said:
" They need to get her back on the podcast, Nazi uniforms FTW "
Ugh no thank you. Maybe you weren't here when it happened, but there was a huge amount of backlash when she appeared on the Bombcast the last time. There was not just one, but two massive hate threads about her. Maybe she would be better sober (less obnoxious interruptions, like how Metal Gear Solid is the greatest art piece ever, how Resident Evil should have more sex, and how Microsoft is for frat boys) but I don't know...
 
As for the article itself, standard Gamasutra style bullshit. Who cares about how Bayonetta is portrayed? It's a video game, not an art house indie film. "
Yeah I remember that podcast, what a clunker that was. At least we all got to hear it...
#5 Posted by Rayfield (2097 posts) -

 
#6 Posted by Milkman (16540 posts) -
@ArbitraryWater said:
" @Gabriel said:
" They need to get her back on the podcast, Nazi uniforms FTW "
Ugh no thank you. Maybe you weren't here when it happened, but there was a huge amount of backlash when she appeared on the Bombcast the last time. There was not just one, but two massive hate threads about her. Maybe she would be better sober (less obnoxious interruptions, like how Metal Gear Solid is the greatest art piece ever, how Resident Evil should have more sex, and how Microsoft is for frat boys) but I don't know...
 
As for the article itself, standard Gamasutra style bullshit. Who cares about how Bayonetta is portrayed? It's a video game, not an art house indie film. "
Great, now we started this shit again.
#7 Posted by Matfei90 (1288 posts) -
@ArbitraryWater said:
" @Gabriel said:
" They need to get her back on the podcast, Nazi uniforms FTW "
Ugh no thank you. Maybe you weren't here when it happened, but there was a huge amount of backlash when she appeared on the Bombcast the last time. There was not just one, but two massive hate threads about her. Maybe she would be better sober (less obnoxious interruptions, like how Metal Gear Solid is the greatest art piece ever, how Resident Evil should have more sex, and how Microsoft is for frat boys) but I don't know...
 
As for the article itself, standard Gamasutra style bullshit. Who cares about how Bayonetta is portrayed? It's a video game, not an art house indie film. "
I didn't mind her,  of course I kept in mind that she'd been drinking so perhaps I was a little more tolerant about it.
 
Plus I think her articles are well written and she has good opinions, instead of taking the easy route and jumping on the feminism bandwagon about -everything-.
#8 Posted by Hailinel (23944 posts) -
@ArbitraryWater said:
" @Gabriel said:
" They need to get her back on the podcast, Nazi uniforms FTW "
Ugh no thank you. Maybe you weren't here when it happened, but there was a huge amount of backlash when she appeared on the Bombcast the last time. There was not just one, but two massive hate threads about her. Maybe she would be better sober (less obnoxious interruptions, like how Metal Gear Solid is the greatest art piece ever, how Resident Evil should have more sex, and how Microsoft is for frat boys) but I don't know...
 
As for the article itself, standard Gamasutra style bullshit. Who cares about how Bayonetta is portrayed? It's a video game, not an art house indie film. "
You're one of those guys that refuses to see games as art, right?
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#9 Edited by ArbitraryWater (11488 posts) -
@Milkman: Maybe. If this turns into a giant Leigh Alexander hate thread you have the right to virtually bitch slap me. But I hope our community has learned better at this point.
@Hailinel: Nah. I can see why people think stuff like Ico and Braid are artsy and how the medium as a whole can be considered artistic. But please, let's not go into that debate again.
#10 Posted by queenulhu (302 posts) -
@Rayfield said:
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hahahahaha yes
#11 Posted by EvilTwin (3324 posts) -

Good read.  I suppose it will make me think a bit more before I rush to call something exploitative.  Of course, I don't think it's possible for me to enjoy a Hideki Kamiya game at this point so I doubt I'll be giving Bayonetta a second chance.  I am, however, obligated to post in this thread, being a member of the Leigh Alexander defense force on Giantbomb.

#12 Edited by buzz_clik (6927 posts) -

As I've said elsewhere (you know where) Leigh Alexander actually has some interesting and insightful things to say about video games. The only thing that let her down last time was her delivery. This article was pretty cool to read, and a refreshing antidote to the usual knee-jerk reactions that a game like this can illicit. Even if you don't agree with what she's saying, you can at least admit she's able to back up her opinion and line of thought with well constructed prose.
 
NOTE: Alcohol does not facilitate things being well constructed. That instance totally doesn't count.

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#13 Edited by Red12b (9079 posts) -
@buzz_clik said:

"As I've said elsewhere (you know where) Leigh Alexander actually has some interesting and insightful things to say about video games. The only thing that let her down last time was her delivery. This article was pretty cool to read, and a refreshing antidote to the usual knee-jerk reactions that a game like this can illicit. Even if you don't agree with what she's saying, you can at least admit she's able to back up her opinion and line of thought with well constructed prose. NOTE: Alcohol does not facilitate things being well constructed. That instance totally doesn't count. "


I actually liked that podcast, and despised the community backlash against her, I was new to the forums then and when I saw how most (Not all) of you guys reacted to her, I was appalled,  
 
Class, pure Class. 
 
I hope we have moved on eh. 
#14 Posted by erinfizz (1048 posts) -

I agree with that article completely. The whole game is over the top sex and violence that just barely goes into silly...and I love it, and Bayonetta as a character fits perfectly.

#15 Edited by Hot_Karl (3309 posts) -

Without speaking about the E3 podcast debacle, I'd like to say that her article was a pretty good read, she's a solid writer who makes some excellent points, whether you agree with her or not. My only problem with her is that she often feels so self-serious about whatever she's talking about. But in this case, she knows her subject well; Bayonetta is ridiculous- her reactions are adjusted accordingly.

#16 Posted by Red (5994 posts) -

That was actually an interesting read. When I see Bayonetta, I really only think of it as porn with a good combat system. 
It's good to see a female opinion on something, without them just saying "HAHA LULZ! I'M A FEMALE GAMER!". 

#17 Posted by UnsolvedParadox (1862 posts) -

I'll pick it up later on at a more affordable price, and see what the fuss is about.

#18 Posted by Toxin066 (3256 posts) -

I thoroughly enjoyed reading that article. Like Red said, it was neat to get the female perspective on a game that very easily could be criticized for hypersexualism.

#19 Posted by SpaceInsomniac (3575 posts) -
buzz_clik said:
 NOTE: Alcohol does not facilitate things being well constructed. That instance totally doesn't count. "
I couldn't agree more.  She was even cool enough to publicly apologize for the whole situation.  People really need to let it go.  I also agree with her article here.
#20 Posted by Linkyshinks (9880 posts) -

 All my girlfriends mates love the game also.  It's good to see women who are able to see the intention, and funny and telling to see men that don't 
 
Oh, and btw, I told you so. to whoever told me that she'd kick up a fuss in my blog, I said then if she had any intelligence, she wouldn't. 

#21 Posted by ApertureSilence (1156 posts) -

I should probably re-listen to that podcast. Could anyone please remind me what the date on that was?

#22 Edited by Frederik (377 posts) -

Great read! I completely agree with the article I (still have no intention of playing the game since I didn't really enjoy Devil May Cry all that much, but that's just me) 
 
P.S. Am I the only one who finds that character completely unattractive?   

#23 Posted by KamasamaK (2408 posts) -
@MurderByDeath said:
" I should probably re-listen to that podcast. Could anyone please remind me what the date on that was? "
This one
#24 Posted by Cheapoz (1064 posts) -
@pakx said:
"                           friend of Giantbomb, enemy of Giantbombcast, Leigh Alexander.  "
#25 Posted by Griddler (3344 posts) -

Eh, not a fan of Leigh.

#26 Posted by xyzygy (9899 posts) -
@Frederik said:
" Great read! I completely agree with the article I (still have no intention of playing the game since I didn't really enjoy Devil May Cry all that much, but that's just me)  P.S. Am I the only one who finds that character completely unattractive?    "
She's supposed to look odd because her style follows this trend from the early 1900's, or some time before the 1950's. I think it might have been Linkyshinks who explained this to me about a month ago or so, but back in the day women were drawn with extremely disproportioned limbs and it fit some sort of style. That's why Bayonetta looks so weird. In terms of sexually she is just too weird for me but as a character she's amazing.

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