Andrew Ryan is in the trailer...

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#1 Edited by Vitor (2809 posts) -

He's on the balcony listening to the gramophone, standing in front of the US flag. You can make out his slicked back hair and trademark 'tache also.  
 
Noone seems to have mentioned this yet (Jeff and Brad didn't seem to catch it in their video about their thoughts on the trailer). 
 
Also, despite their being an AI companion, the game is not coop (Eurogamer article). 
 

 Andrew F*ing Ryan, yo
#2 Posted by sodiumCyclops (2644 posts) -

Someone should screen cap it.
 
I was certain I saw something too...

#3 Posted by TheMustacheHero (6655 posts) -

Could just be some random guy.

#4 Edited by Fjordson (2448 posts) -

I don't know, that guy seems older. Given this game's setting, Ryan would be 20 years old in Infinite. Seems unlikely, but who knows.
 
Also, he didn't flee Russia until 1919 (seven years after the beginning of Infinite).

#5 Edited by Vitor (2809 posts) -
@Fjordson said:

" I don't know, that guy seems older. Given this game's setting, Ryan would be 20 years old in Infinite. Seems unlikely, but who knows.  Also, he didn't flee Russia until 1919 (seven years after the beginning of Infinite). "

True - but he looks pretty young in the trailer and I'm certain it's him; flamboyant gesticulating, trademark moustache/hair and suit, it's too close a call for it to be an accidental similarity.
1 minute 25 seconds - pause and see. 
 
Downloading the 1080p video now, will take a screencap with FRAPS once it's done and post it here.
#6 Posted by wolf_blitzer85 (5250 posts) -

I was wondering what was up with that guy. I'm pretty interested in what this game could be.

#7 Posted by MiniPato (2714 posts) -

I think I heard in one of the video interviews or previews that Infinite has no connection to Bioshock 1 and is actually set in its own universe. So I don't think he is Andrew Ryan. Or he might be an homage to Andrew Ryan.

#8 Posted by Vitor (2809 posts) -
#9 Posted by KingDaniel97 (15 posts) -
@MiniPato said:
" I think I heard in one of the video interviews or previews that Infinite has no connection to Bioshock 1 and is actually set in its own universe. So I don't think he is Andrew Ryan. Or he might be an homage to Andrew Ryan. "
I doubt it would be in it's own dimension... why bother establishing that it occurs before Bioshock 1 if it's got no connection. I'd say it's definitely in the same universe but I wouldn't expect to see anything beyond subtle nods towards Rapture. Rapture was a statement about exclusion from social norms, and how more feral traits can effect a person. A society based on merit entirely. I'd say Columbia's "point" for lack of a better term would be a society that, since it takes place in a floating world's fair, would be a statement about how a person goes when, instead of hiding your genius away from the "lesser" parts of society, you expose it entirely. I figure in Infinity, we'll be seeing mutation on a less noticeable scale, and more of the government trying to hide their dirty secrets. I'd think that Elizabeth is one of those secrets. You might be as well. I'd say on Columbia we'll see more "Big Brothers" then Big Daddies.
#10 Posted by Arrers (41 posts) -
@TheMustacheHero said:
" Could just be some random guy. "
My thoughts exacly. consisdering that Bioshock Infinite  meant to be set in 1912, It seem unlikley Anderw's going to be an adult if he appears in the game.
#11 Posted by Shadow (4977 posts) -

middle-aged guy with a medium build and short dark hair in a suit!?  It could only be him!

#12 Posted by BraveToaster (12590 posts) -
@Vitor said:
" @wolf_blitzer85 said:

" I was wondering what was up with that guy. I'm pretty interested in what this game could be. "

Eurogamer preview makes it sound pretty crazy - very Bioshock so far but I have no doubt that these guys will push the boundaries of just what that entails 
 
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-08-12-bioshock-infinite-preview "
That was a good article.
#13 Posted by Fjordson (2448 posts) -
@Arrers said:
" @TheMustacheHero said:
" Could just be some random guy. "
My thoughts exacly. consisdering that Bioshock Infinite  meant to be set in 1912, It seem unlikley Anderw's going to be an adult if he appears in the game. "
Technically he would be a 20 year old adult, but I agree. Ryan seems incredibly unlikely to appear in this game.
#14 Posted by Arbie (1449 posts) -

Ah I remember seeing that guy, didn't click on to it being Ryan though, but who knows? Only time will tell! Although, from what these guys have said so far they seem pretty clued up so I reckon it's a bit unlikely.

#15 Posted by RobotHamster (4170 posts) -

Probably not, I think its just a look alike, or maybe is FATHER!!!

#16 Posted by Atomasist (2818 posts) -

Andrew Ryan is not in the trailer.

#17 Posted by VoshiNova (1635 posts) -

I'm so excited about this find!
I don't doubt that it's Andrew Ryan, hopefully someone can verify it.
 
NIce find!

#18 Posted by Franstone (1087 posts) -

I think BioShock Infinite takes place around 40-50 years b4 the events in BioShock 1... 
 
So if Andrew Ryan IS in the trailer than he would be in diapers.
#19 Posted by tranquilchaos (572 posts) -
@Fjordson said:
" @Arrers said:
" @TheMustacheHero said:
" Could just be some random guy. "
My thoughts exacly. consisdering that Bioshock Infinite  meant to be set in 1912, It seem unlikley Anderw's going to be an adult if he appears in the game. "
Technically he would be a 20 year old adult, but I agree. Ryan seems incredibly unlikely to appear in this game. "
What's your source on his age here? Wouldn't that make him roughly 60 in the events of Bioshock? He didn't look 60....
#20 Posted by MiniPato (2714 posts) -
@KingDaniel97 said:

" @MiniPato said:

" I think I heard in one of the video interviews or previews that Infinite has no connection to Bioshock 1 and is actually set in its own universe. So I don't think he is Andrew Ryan. Or he might be an homage to Andrew Ryan. "

I doubt it would be in it's own dimension... why bother establishing that it occurs before Bioshock 1 if it's got no connection. I'd say it's definitely in the same universe but I wouldn't expect to see anything beyond subtle nods towards Rapture. Rapture was a statement about exclusion from social norms, and how more feral traits can effect a person. A society based on merit entirely. I'd say Columbia's "point" for lack of a better term would be a society that, since it takes place in a floating world's fair, would be a statement about how a person goes when, instead of hiding your genius away from the "lesser" parts of society, you expose it entirely. I figure in Infinity, we'll be seeing mutation on a less noticeable scale, and more of the government trying to hide their dirty secrets. I'd think that Elizabeth is one of those secrets. You might be as well. I'd say on Columbia we'll see more "Big Brothers" then Big Daddies. "
It's set in 1912 to take advantage of the "feel" of that time not because it's a prequel. And personally I would prefer it that they craft their own new world and new story instead of trying to find some cheap way to tie it into an existing one.
 
 http://www.joystiq.com/video/9bffbc43
 
About half way in Ken Levine says how Bioshock Infinite is like Bioshock, but not. He says that "there are no Bioshock sacred cows" and that there are no big daddies and that the robot guy was not what it looked like. He states clearly that Bioshock Infinite is a Bioshock game in terms of gameplay motif and and the philosophy involved. "Bioshock is a lot more than Rapture. It's a first person shooter set in an amazing place with a story wrought with ideas that are tied to human history. Everything else for us is up for grabs." Meaning he doesn't have to stay in the same universe of Rapture. He sees the Bioshock name containing more of the gameplay style rather than the universe of Rapture. They called it Bioshock Infinite cause it looks and plays like Bioshock and not putting the Bioshock name in it would have been a cheat. He even compares it to Final Fantasy.
#21 Posted by Matterless (324 posts) -
@Fjordson said:
" @Arrers said:
" @TheMustacheHero said:
" Could just be some random guy. "
My thoughts exacly. consisdering that Bioshock Infinite  meant to be set in 1912, It seem unlikley Anderw's going to be an adult if he appears in the game. "
Technically he would be a 20 year old adult, but I agree. Ryan seems incredibly unlikely to appear in this game until the twist. " 
Fixed.
#22 Posted by Fjordson (2448 posts) -
@tranquilchaos said:

" @Fjordson said:

" @Arrers said:
" @TheMustacheHero said:
" Could just be some random guy. "
My thoughts exacly. consisdering that Bioshock Infinite  meant to be set in 1912, It seem unlikley Anderw's going to be an adult if he appears in the game. "
Technically he would be a 20 year old adult, but I agree. Ryan seems incredibly unlikely to appear in this game. "
What's your source on his age here? Wouldn't that make him roughly 60 in the events of Bioshock? He didn't look 60.... "
My brother, who is an even bigger BioShock nut than me. I checked around, though, and he seems to be correct. He said "early 20's" and according to that Wiki it would be 20 on the dot.
 
 http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Andrew_Ryan 
 
My main hangup with him being in Infinite isn't really his age, though. It's more about what he experienced before coming to America. It's what helped shaped his entire philosophy and what eventually drove him to create Rapture. If he's already in America that early in his life it basically retcons that part of his back story and cheapens a lot of his beliefs portrayed in the first game. I just think he was such a great character, I don't see why Irrational would want to toy with that.
 
With that being said, Irrational knows a hell of a lot more about their canon and about making games than I do. I'm sure if he is in Infinite it'll be done in a surprisingly clever way.
#23 Posted by evanbrau (1162 posts) -

I hope there are no ties to the first game in this one. No fan service, no nods or winks just let it exist on its own merits.

#24 Posted by Jais (78 posts) -
@RobotHamster: Nice avatar, bro. :P 
 
And I really hope that there will be at least some tie-ins with Bioshock. I hope your guess is right.
#25 Posted by EpicSteve (6470 posts) -

You play as Andrew Ryan!

#26 Posted by tallTuck94 (553 posts) -
@Vitor: hate to blow your bubble but ALOT of people looked like that back then
#27 Posted by Babble (1270 posts) -

Based on a Bioshock background wiki, Andrew Ryan never left Russia until 1919, and was present for the revolution in 1917. So that's not him... Plenty of people in 1912 would have looked like that man.

#28 Posted by Empirepaintball (1389 posts) -

Nice!
#29 Posted by Kyreo (4600 posts) -
@Shadow said:
" middle-aged guy with a medium build and short dark hair in a suit!?  It could only be him! "

#30 Posted by demontium (4707 posts) -

Is a man not entitled to the prequel of his own masterpiece?! 
 
That is all.

#31 Edited by wolf_blitzer85 (5250 posts) -
@Vitor said:

" @wolf_blitzer85 said:

" I was wondering what was up with that guy. I'm pretty interested in what this game could be. "

Eurogamer preview makes it sound pretty crazy - very Bioshock so far but I have no doubt that these guys will push the boundaries of just what that entails 
 
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-08-12-bioshock-infinite-preview "
After reading this, I am even more hyped for this game. The look and feel of the trailer felt like Bioshock, yet in a different setting with different characters. Plus all this speculation on whether or not Andrew Ryan is in the game makes this even more fun.
 
If Mr. Levine is indeed creating a Bioshock universe much to the effect of Final Fantasy, I am most interested in what they do with the RPG aspect of the game. What's going to be the parallel to plasmids and ADAM? Levine said that they would treat the upgrades and such much like the first Bioshock which is fine and all, but I'm excited to see what sort of twist they put on it.
 
On the Andrew Ryan speculation: Do we even know how old he truly is? I mean who knows what kind of stuff Ryan was hopped up on before the events in Rapture. We know some about his past, but there could be some pretty crazy shit revealed about who/what Andrew Ryan is.
I don't know what it is about this trailer, but I am very much so interested in more Bioshock philosophy. It just looks awesome, and I can't wait to hear more. Goddamn 2012 being like a million years away.
#32 Posted by DonutFever (3549 posts) -

Ryan would not be that old in 1912, and he was probably just a boy when Columbia flew up.

#33 Posted by Daveyo520 (6651 posts) -

Are you sure it's him?

#34 Posted by Ratfoot (199 posts) -

Only way it could be him is if they retcon it by making him appear in his 40's but actually much older because of plasmid use or something.

#35 Posted by AlfredCapone (164 posts) -

While I dont think that is Andrew Ryan, I'd put money he is in the game.
I pretty stoked for this tho

#36 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

My first thought was Sander Cohen.

#37 Posted by wolf_blitzer85 (5250 posts) -
@HandsomeDead said:
" My first thought was Sander Cohen. "
Oh dude, I totally forgot about that guy. This would make a little more sense, since not much is known about Mr. Cohen's life before Rapture, so who knows?
#38 Posted by Turtlemayor333 (510 posts) -

I think the whole idea that at no point Infinite will have anything to do with the first game is a little far fetched. I'm not saying they will (or should) have it where you meet some young character from Rapture at every street corner, but by the end of the game I'm sure we'll have some story threads to go on.
 
That might not be Ryan, but that was definitely a Big Daddy figurine.

#39 Posted by BeachThunder (11649 posts) -
@Degringolade said:
" @Fjordson said:
" @Arrers said:
" @TheMustacheHero said:
" Could just be some random guy. "
My thoughts exacly. consisdering that Bioshock Infinite  meant to be set in 1912, It seem unlikley Anderw's going to be an adult if he appears in the game. "
Technically he would be a 20 year old adult, but I agree. Ryan seems incredibly unlikely to appear in this game until the twist. " 
Fixed. "
This is just one of the many Andrew Ryans you will encounter throughout Columbia; there will be one of him from every age range due to cloning tools being available in alternate 1912. So, I guess you could say that the amount of Andrew Ryans in the game is
#40 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -
@wolf_blitzer85 said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" My first thought was Sander Cohen. "
Oh dude, I totally forgot about that guy. This would make a little more sense, since not much is known about Mr. Cohen's life before Rapture, so who knows? "
I think it also makes more sense because you never get a sense of how old he is and judging by his cynical tone when you meet him, he's old enough to know of success elsewhere and is depressed that he passed on what he had to go to Rapture. It's unlikely but it seems a way to tie the fiction together without having to go directly to Andrew Ryan.
#41 Posted by wolf_blitzer85 (5250 posts) -
@HandsomeDead said:
" @wolf_blitzer85 said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" My first thought was Sander Cohen. "
Oh dude, I totally forgot about that guy. This would make a little more sense, since not much is known about Mr. Cohen's life before Rapture, so who knows? "
I think it also makes more sense because you never get a sense of how old he is and judging by his cynical tone when you meet him, he's old enough to know of success elsewhere and is depressed that he passed on what he had to go to Rapture. It's unlikely but it seems a way to tie the fiction together without having to go directly to Andrew Ryan. "

I did find it interesting after re-watching the trailer for like the tenth time, the dude is standing next to a phonograph and is conducting along with the music. If I remember correctly Sander Cohen was a music composer amongst other things.
 
Color me giddy.
#42 Posted by Vitor (2809 posts) -
@wolf_blitzer85 said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" @wolf_blitzer85 said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" My first thought was Sander Cohen. "
Oh dude, I totally forgot about that guy. This would make a little more sense, since not much is known about Mr. Cohen's life before Rapture, so who knows? "
I think it also makes more sense because you never get a sense of how old he is and judging by his cynical tone when you meet him, he's old enough to know of success elsewhere and is depressed that he passed on what he had to go to Rapture. It's unlikely but it seems a way to tie the fiction together without having to go directly to Andrew Ryan. "
I did find it interesting after re-watching the trailer for like the tenth time, the dude is standing next to a phonograph and is conducting along with the music. If I remember correctly Sander Cohen was a music composer amongst other things.  Color me giddy. "
Very true - surprised that  didn't occur to me as Cohen was my favourite character from Bioshock.  
 
The plot thickens...
#43 Posted by Mr_Skeleton (5135 posts) -

 
 
Here is a picture of Andrew Ryan the creator of  Mickey Mouse.
#44 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

Its a red herring. And the girl looks like Snow White, doesn't mean you play as Snow White.

#45 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Ratfoot said:

" Only way it could be him is if they retcon it by making him appear in his 40's but actually much older because of plasmid use or something. "

I am pretty sure plasmids where discovered in rapture. He was thought to be born near the end of the 1800s. And he arrived in rapture 1946 and died in 1960 
#46 Edited by wolf_blitzer85 (5250 posts) -
@ryanwho said:

" Its a red herring. And the girl looks like Snow White, doesn't mean you play as Snow White. "

That would be amazing though. Throw in some steam punk flying dwarves flinging bees all over the place and fuck! it'll be the greatest game ever made!
 
Sadly Snow White will only be an AI character though. No co-op as far as we know.
#47 Posted by JeffGoldblum (3695 posts) -

I doubt it's him.

#48 Posted by Vinny_Says (5681 posts) -

 yeah because nobody back then had slick black hair and a mustache.

#49 Posted by MiniPato (2714 posts) -

It doesn't take place in the same universe as Rapture.

#50 Posted by ajamafalous (11822 posts) -
@Shadow said:
" middle-aged guy with a medium build and short dark hair in a suit!?  It could only be him! "

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