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BioShock is a video game that consists of 20 releases

Oh snap!

Topic started by AaronBelfast on Oct. 4, 2008. Last post by BengoshiSan 1 year, 1 month ago.
Post by AaronBelfast (984 posts) See mini bio

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dcpc10 said:
"I've played the demo twice on my PS3 but i never noticed those messed up pixels.....I'm going for another run through the demo this afternoon but i still dont see how this makes the game a ''half-assed port''....."
Thats fine, your entitled to your opinion but don't start trolling me when you haven't even saw the evidence. The games a half assed port because they had a year to work on this, but seems they've been working it on it for the past few weeks and couldn't even code the engine right.


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Solid_SnakeXx said:
"AaronBelfast said:
"dcpc10 said:
"AaronBelfast said:
"dcpc10 said:
 Aaron is starting to sound like an xbot now in my opinion."
How am I sounding like an Xbot? Just because your to ignorant to realise that 2K fucked up a port doesn't mean I'm a fanboy. Your logic makes no sense whatsoever, I dedicate my time to the PS3 forum. Why? Because I only own a PS3. Seriously, that comment just made you out to be the fanboy, not me. I was just stating the obvious, and the obvious is the PS3 version is simply not good enough."
the pics. are confirmed fake
Lol, you haven't played the demo, have you? How about you go to were Big Daddy is under the fall then come back and make sense. It's a pixelated shambles."
Uh where exactly is big daddy? havent seen him in the demo, can you tell me so i can check out by myself please?
thanks!"
he's next to a puddle of water below a small ''fall'' like aaron said....



ZeroCast said:
"Maybe those textures look bad just on Big Daddy, what about the rest of the game?"
This is exactly what the communty manager meant, ''this is an exception, and not a rule'' so this IS the only small texture prob in the game...everyone takes this like its ''a half-assed port'' and this is just gonna inform people in the WRONG way now.


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Solid_SnakeXx said:
"Uh where exactly is big daddy? havent seen him in the demo, can you tell me so i can check out by myself please?
thanks!"
He's below the waterfall.


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dcpc10 said:
"Solid_SnakeXx said:
"AaronBelfast said:
"dcpc10 said:
"AaronBelfast said:
"dcpc10 said:
 Aaron is starting to sound like an xbot now in my opinion."
How am I sounding like an Xbot? Just because your to ignorant to realise that 2K fucked up a port doesn't mean I'm a fanboy. Your logic makes no sense whatsoever, I dedicate my time to the PS3 forum. Why? Because I only own a PS3. Seriously, that comment just made you out to be the fanboy, not me. I was just stating the obvious, and the obvious is the PS3 version is simply not good enough."
the pics. are confirmed fake
Lol, you haven't played the demo, have you? How about you go to were Big Daddy is under the fall then come back and make sense. It's a pixelated shambles."
Uh where exactly is big daddy? havent seen him in the demo, can you tell me so i can check out by myself please?
thanks!"
he's next to a puddle of water below a small ''fall'' like aaron said....



ZeroCast said:
"Maybe those textures look bad just on Big Daddy, what about the rest of the game?"
This is exactly what the communty manager meant, ''this is an exception, and not a rule'' so this IS the only small texture prob in the game...everyone takes this like its ''a half-assed port'' and this is just gonna inform people in the WRONG way now.
"
You mean that big room before the demo ends?  where water is coming down and  survilance camaras chase you???


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AaronBelfast said:
"dcpc10 said:
"I've played the demo twice on my PS3 but i never noticed those messed up pixels.....I'm going for another run through the demo this afternoon but i still dont see how this makes the game a ''half-assed port''....."
Thats fine, your entitled to your opinion but don't start trolling me when you haven't even saw the evidence. The games a half assed port because they had a year to work on this, but seems they've been working it on it for the past few weeks and couldn't even code the engine right."
''trolling me''???? WOW, i guess you lost your mind and forgot whos trolling who. I never made this thread, you OBVIOUSLY wanted this to happen since your the OP.....You just HAD to call this game a ''half-assed port'' based on a DEMO didn't you? I hope you go join the ''microsoft alignment'' like you said cause this thread was flamebait and full of bull**** in the first place.....


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Solid_SnakeXx said:
You mean that big room before the demo ends?  where water is coming down and  survilance camaras chase you???"
Yes, just after the security camera!


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Madis007 said:
STOP THIS BULLSHIT XBOT
I RLY HATE XBOX 360 FANBOYS.STUPID XBOT

2K said: PS3 version is better then Xbox 360 version

I rly fucking hate xbots
GTFO"

Get a brain you jackass - this didn't need to be a console war thread but poorly informed fucktards like yourself made it that way


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Solid_SnakeXx said:
"dcpc10 said:
"Solid_SnakeXx said:
"AaronBelfast said:
"dcpc10 said:
"AaronBelfast said:
"dcpc10 said:
 Aaron is starting to sound like an xbot now in my opinion."
How am I sounding like an Xbot? Just because your to ignorant to realise that 2K fucked up a port doesn't mean I'm a fanboy. Your logic makes no sense whatsoever, I dedicate my time to the PS3 forum. Why? Because I only own a PS3. Seriously, that comment just made you out to be the fanboy, not me. I was just stating the obvious, and the obvious is the PS3 version is simply not good enough."
the pics. are confirmed fake
Lol, you haven't played the demo, have you? How about you go to were Big Daddy is under the fall then come back and make sense. It's a pixelated shambles."
Uh where exactly is big daddy? havent seen him in the demo, can you tell me so i can check out by myself please?
thanks!"
he's next to a puddle of water below a small ''fall'' like aaron said....



ZeroCast said:
"Maybe those textures look bad just on Big Daddy, what about the rest of the game?"
This is exactly what the communty manager meant, ''this is an exception, and not a rule'' so this IS the only small texture prob in the game...everyone takes this like its ''a half-assed port'' and this is just gonna inform people in the WRONG way now.
"
You mean that big room before the demo ends?  where water is coming down and  survilance camaras chase you???"
There are 2 splicers crouching next to the dead big daddy i remember and it MIGHT be at the bottom of a small series of stairs.


Post by AaronBelfast (984 posts) See mini bio

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dcpc10 said:
"''trolling me''???? WOW, i guess you lost your mind and forgot whos trolling who. I never made this thread, you OBVIOUSLY wanted this to happen since your the OP.....You just HAD to call this game a ''half-assed port'' based on a DEMO didn't you? I hope you go join the ''microsoft alignment'' like you said cause this thread was flamebait and full of bull**** in the first place....."
I wanted this to happen? Haha, no actually, I didn't want people to spend extra money on the game that is inferior to the cheaper version. Your obviously to ignorant to understand this. Why would I change my allignment to Microsoft? I didn't bash Sony once, I was bashing 2K. Seriously, just stop dc, your only digging yourself a deeper hole.


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Seriously, the textures and the game's graphics overall are worse than the 360 version and the PC version. That's not disputable. The screenshots were not fake, and either way, there are no excuses for the stupid little graphical tricks that 2k seems to have placed within the game. They did a shitty porting job in that regard.
As for calling Belfast an Xbot- does his opinion on a game being badly made on the PS3 actually hurt your ability to enjoy the console or the game itself? He loves the PS3. I don't think anyone would want something of such low quality to be represented on their home system. Your one-sidedness is truly stupid, dcpc10.


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AaronBelfast said:
"dcpc10 said:
"''trolling me''???? WOW, i guess you lost your mind and forgot whos trolling who. I never made this thread, you OBVIOUSLY wanted this to happen since your the OP.....You just HAD to call this game a ''half-assed port'' based on a DEMO didn't you? I hope you go join the ''microsoft alignment'' like you said cause this thread was flamebait and full of bull**** in the first place....."
I wanted this to happen? Haha, no actually, I didn't want people to spend extra money on the game that is inferior to the cheaper version. Your obviously to ignorant to understand this. Why would I change my allignment to Microsoft? I didn't bash Sony once, I was bashing 2K. Seriously, just stop dc, your only digging yourself a deeper hole."
1.Your still basing your opinion on a ''demo''

2.You said ''I may change my allignment to Microsoft, just to even things out.''-this doesnt mean your gonna become an xbot by simply ''changing your alignment'' but dont you think it would be common sense to not mention this in a thread tahts going AGAINST a particular version a game

3.Simply saying i'm ''ignorant'' isn't gonna mean anything

4.How am i digging a deeper hole for myself? Your the one that made this thread.


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OH GOD

WHATS THAT


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Jayge said:
"Seriously, the textures and the game's graphics overall are worse than the 360 version and the PC version. That's not disputable. The screenshots were not fake, and either way, there are no excuses for the stupid little graphical tricks that 2k seems to have placed within the game. They did a shitty porting job in that regard.
As for calling Belfast an Xbot- does his opinion on a game being badly made on the PS3 actually hurt your ability to enjoy the console or the game itself? He loves the PS3. I don't think anyone would want something of such low quality to be represented on their home system. Your one-sidedness is truly stupid, dcpc10.
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 i got the idea that he was an xbot when

1.''I may change my allignment to Microsoft, just to even things out.'' (he made this comment)

2.Hes still basing his opinion on a demo

3.Due to a small Texture prob, he calls the whole game a ''half-assed port''


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It was a joke because of the new "online now" feature that is green, he said that because Microsoft's color on GiantBomb is green and it would match his avatar.

A joke...


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dcpc10 said:
"Jayge said:
"Seriously, the textures and the game's graphics overall are worse than the 360 version and the PC version. That's not disputable. The screenshots were not fake, and either way, there are no excuses for the stupid little graphical tricks that 2k seems to have placed within the game. They did a shitty porting job in that regard.
As for calling Belfast an Xbot- does his opinion on a game being badly made on the PS3 actually hurt your ability to enjoy the console or the game itself? He loves the PS3. I don't think anyone would want something of such low quality to be represented on their home system. Your one-sidedness is truly stupid, dcpc10.
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 i got the idea that he was an xbot when

1.''I may change my allignment to Microsoft, just to even things out.'' (he made this comment)

2.Hes still basing his opinion on a demo

3.Due to a small Texture prob, he calls the whole game a ''half-assed port''"
It's not a small texture problem. Are you playing it on an HDTV? The graphics in general have been washed out and toned down.
There is nothing wrong with basing your fucking opinion on a demo. That's what the demo is FOR. To form an opinion based on the best possible representation of a retail game. People can't fall back on the "it's just a demo" when the purpose of the demo is to give you an idea of whether or not you'll purchase the full version.


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Jayge said:
"dcpc10 said:
"Jayge said:
"Seriously, the textures and the game's graphics overall are worse than the 360 version and the PC version. That's not disputable. The screenshots were not fake, and either way, there are no excuses for the stupid little graphical tricks that 2k seems to have placed within the game. They did a shitty porting job in that regard.
As for calling Belfast an Xbot- does his opinion on a game being badly made on the PS3 actually hurt your ability to enjoy the console or the game itself? He loves the PS3. I don't think anyone would want something of such low quality to be represented on their home system. Your one-sidedness is truly stupid, dcpc10.
"
 i got the idea that he was an xbot when

1.''I may change my allignment to Microsoft, just to even things out.'' (he made this comment)

2.Hes still basing his opinion on a demo

3.Due to a small Texture prob, he calls the whole game a ''half-assed port''"
It's not a small texture problem. Are you playing it on an HDTV? The graphics in general have been washed out and toned down.
There is nothing wrong with basing your fucking opinion on a demo. That's what the demo is FOR. To form an opinion based on the best possible representation of a retail game. People can't fall back on the "it's just a demo" when the purpose of the demo is to give you an idea of whether or not you'll purchase the full version.
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I understand that and thats how i ''used'' to base my opinion on a demo but you have to understand that this could be an old build of the game, and yes i am playing this on an HD TV. for example: i wasn;t a big fan of the uncharted demo but once i got the game, i loved it, although the game had MUCH bigger texture probs in my opinion like how the pop-up in the game was so bad that i could be taking cover behind a rock and the rock looks blurred and messed up for a minute or two.-This is a prob that happened throughout the whole game and was VERY noticeable, but that still doesn't make it ''half-assed''. (I understand that this isn't a ''pop-up'' problem but i'm just trying to find somethng to compare this too.)


Post by AaronBelfast (984 posts) See mini bio

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dcpc10 said:
1.Your still basing your opinion on a ''demo''

Incase you haven't heard Bioshock went Gold, this means they don't have time to fix this because it's releasing in a few weeks

2.You said ''I may change my allignment to Microsoft, just to even things out.''-this doesnt mean your gonna become an xbot by simply ''changing your alignment'' but dont you think it would be common sense to not mention this in a thread tahts going AGAINST a particular version a game

I said that as a joke because I had a green avatar and the "Online Now" is green. lighten up.

3.Simply saying i'm ''ignorant'' isn't gonna mean anything

I know it doesn't but an open opinion is better than an ignorant one sides opinion, so hopefully people wouldn't listen to you

4.How am i digging a deeper hole for myself? Your the one that made this thread."

Your the one that doesn't know what he's talking about therefore digging yourself a deeper hole by continuing to post
I'm done with this thread, fanboys fucking spoil everything. Mods feel free to give this a lock.


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dcpc10 said:
"I understand that and thats how i ''used'' to base my opinion on a demo but you have to understand that this could be an old build of the game, and yes i am playing this on an HD TV. for example: i wasn;t a big fan of the uncharted demo but once i got the game, i loved it, although the game had MUCH bigger texture probs in my opinion like how the pop-up in the game was so bad that i could be taking cover behind a rock and the rock looks blurred and messed up for a minute or two."
Like I said in my previous post, that excuse fails. It doesn't matter if it is an old build of the game; that's the perogative of the developer to decide to publish it so. The demo's purpose is to give players a taste of the general quality and get overall impressions on a title before they buy it at retail. You can't hide behind the fact that it might be an older build when the purpose is to be representative of a final product. As that is the purpose of the demo, it shall be considered in that regard and responded to in that fashion.


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AaronBelfast said:
"dcpc10 said:
1.Your still basing your opinion on a ''demo''

Incase you haven't heard Bioshock went Gold, this means they don't have time to fix this because it's releasing in a few weeks

2.You said ''I may change my allignment to Microsoft, just to even things out.''-this doesnt mean your gonna become an xbot by simply ''changing your alignment'' but dont you think it would be common sense to not mention this in a thread tahts going AGAINST a particular version a game

I said that as a joke because I had a green avatar and the "Online Now" is green. lighten up.

3.Simply saying i'm ''ignorant'' isn't gonna mean anything

I know it doesn't but an open opinion is better than an ignorant one sides opinion, so hopefully people wouldn't listen to you

4.How am i digging a deeper hole for myself? Your the one that made this thread."

Your the one that doesn't know what he's talking about therefore digging yourself a deeper hole by continuing to post
I'm done with this thread, fanboys fucking spoil everything. Mods feel free to give this a lock."
Have you ever heard of a ''patch''? And how is my opinion ''one-sided''? I've been trying to gve you proof this whole time. And if i didn't know what i was talking about  then why would i be here trying to argue with you (i guess i could say ''sharing my opinion'' instead) ? I dont know if your trying to think of me as an idiot but that or some internet ''robot'' but i very much understand what your trying to tell me, although i guess its still an opinion and like you said: ''everyone is entitled to one''.


*leaves thread*


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Source? It kinda looks like someone used a couple filters in photoshop on the PS3 version.

But if it is true, then this it unacceptable, and totally ridiculous on 2K's part.


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It wont hit the stores like this. I'm sure they'll fix it.


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So I have a question. Why exactly do the ports to the PS3 not look as good as the 360 when it technically is a more powerful machine? If everyone remembers correctly back in the PS2 and original XBOX days, the PS2 came out first so the games were made originally for that system and then were ported over to the XBOX. The XBOX was a more powerful machine and the games looked better on it, even though they still didn't look as good as they could have if they had been made for the XBOX first. So why can't the PS3 pull off this same feat? In all truth I have yet to see a game on the PS3 look better than the 360, wether it be a first party title or not. Seems to me like more of the same, Sony always over promising and under delivering.


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HERO1744 said:
"So I have a question. Why exactly do the ports to the PS3 not look as good as the 360 when it technically is a more powerful machine? If everyone remembers correctly back in the PS2 and original XBOX days, the PS2 came out first so the games were made originally for that system and then were ported over to the XBOX. The XBOX was a more powerful machine and the games looked better on it, even though they still didn't look as good as they could have if they had been made for the XBOX first. So why can't the PS3 pull off this same feat? In all truth I have yet to see a game on the PS3 look better than the 360, wether it be a first party title or not. Seems to me like more of the same, Sony always over promising and under delivering."
Hero if I were you I would run to the hills - one dude had a green avatar and joked about making his name green so everything was green and he got called an Xbot having a master chief avvy is just gonna get you slammed to the high heavens even if you do have a valid point.


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Here's what I've gotta say:  you are pointing out, via screenshot, one texturing issue.  One.  You didn't post up a ton of different screenshots, and neither did anyone else in this thread.  It is a demo, and there have been plenty of times that a demo has hit Live or PSN or elsewhere...even on the old OPM discs and such...and the demo was not indicative of the final product.  That is one of the big reasons why demos will usually have a thing at the beginning stating that what you are about to play is a work in progress and may not be indicative of the final product.
To say that PS3 is getting a half-assed port without playing the full retail version of the game is a half-assed remark in its own.  Once the game comes out, and if it hasn't changed at all...then and only then should anyone come out of it saying "this is a half-assed port".

Moreover, people must be forgetting that Bioshock is a widely celebrated and critically-acclaimed game, and it was made by a team that is also known for being widely celebrated and critically-acclaimed.  Therefore, to honestly believe that they would end up even ALLOWING a "half-assed port" to come out is spitting in their faces after you just finished enjoying the dinner they cooked for you!

Now, stop arguing about your fanboy obsessions of Xbox 360 and PS3 for once and read what you all have written...then realize just how fucking stupid is all sounded.

Yes, you will base your judgment of whether you want to buy a game from a demo...but you should never, and I repeat, NEVER use graphics as one of those reasons when you are playing what is essentially a work-in-progress.  I remember back when the first demo came out for Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, and everyone was so pissed off because the demo was buggy and had lots of clipping issues, as well as what seemed like dumbed-down graphics from what screenshots and gameplay video had suggested.  Once the game came out, it squashed all that shit and proved that a demo is JUST A FUCKING DEMO!


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i'm a huge ps3 fan (not fanboy), i have both systems and I haven't bought bioshock yet bc i was hoping the ps3 version would be better. from what i have seen so far.. it's a failed port.

here's some more comp pics from a japanese gaming website:
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Post by BengoshiSan (1 posts) See mini bio

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Even more comparison screen shots HERE.

Was there supposed to be extra content in the ps3 version? If not, I dont think this one is going to sell. I'll probably just get a used 360 version for $30 on half.com or something.

Fuck the blurriness, they should know better.


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See?  Now THAT is much better.  I can see what everyone is saying, but at the same time, this demo could possibly be a build that was using different filters and/or texturing techniques to try and match up with the 360...and the community found that it did not match up at all.  The better part of this is that the COMMUNITY GOT AN ANSWER, and it was that the quality shown was not something that was acceptable.  To the unknowing eye, you could easily look at these and not see a difference at all.  However, to those of us who play games on a more regular basis, we CAN see the difference.

Here's what I'd like to see:  post up screens of UTIII from 360 and PS3 as a side-by-side comparison as well.  If those do not hold up to each other as well, then you can find out that it's the console and not the devs.  Other than that, I'm glad someone actually posted some extra screens in the thread in order to support a point.

I think it should also be pointed out that there were problems like this with the quality of playback from Blu-Ray movies when the PS3 launched.  Therefore, no one can discount the idea that it is the console that is the problem and not the devs.

Essentially, here's what I'm saying:  when I ran BonusStage, I knew Ken Levine on an e-mailing back-and-forth basis, and he never once seemed like the kind of guy that would allow someone to cheat the customer out of a good game.  Meanwhile, Sony has shown a different track record.  Granted, Digital Extremes is doing the port if I'm correct, but it is being overseen by 2K Marin from what I know.  Therefore, I doubt that the original makers of the game would even consider allowing a product with such a celebrated name to it be tarnished without doing everything in their power to make sure they could offer the best quality product possible.


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jakob187 said:
"See?  Now THAT is much better.  I can see what everyone is saying, but at the same time, this demo could possibly be a build that was using different filters and/or texturing techniques to try and match up with the 360...and the community found that it did not match up at all.  The better part of this is that the COMMUNITY GOT AN ANSWER, and it was that the quality shown was not something that was acceptable.  To the unknowing eye, you could easily look at these and not see a difference at all.  However, to those of us who play games on a more regular basis, we CAN see the difference.
Here's what I'd like to see:  post up screens of UTIII from 360 and PS3 as a side-by-side comparison as well.  If those do not hold up to each other as well, then you can find out that it's the console and not the devs.  Other than that, I'm glad someone actually posted some extra screens in the thread in order to support a point.
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Those screens are what I've partially been talking about the whole time o.0


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jakob187 said:
"See?  Now THAT is much better.  I can see what everyone is saying, but at the same time, this demo could possibly be a build that was using different filters and/or texturing techniques to try and match up with the 360...and the community found that it did not match up at all.  The better part of this is that the COMMUNITY GOT AN ANSWER, and it was that the quality shown was not something that was acceptable.  To the unknowing eye, you could easily look at these and not see a difference at all.  However, to those of us who play games on a more regular basis, we CAN see the difference.
Here's what I'd like to see:  post up screens of UTIII from 360 and PS3 as a side-by-side comparison as well.  If those do not hold up to each other as well, then you can find out that it's the console and not the devs.  Other than that, I'm glad someone actually posted some extra screens in the thread in order to support a point.
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  Well yes and no didn't bioshock use the unreal engine? (not sure on that) if it did it could be a graphics engine issue.


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Jayge said:
"Those screens are what I've partially been talking about the whole time o.0"
Incapable of posting them yourself?  Moreover, could you please point out the page on this thread where you once said anything about screens other than the surprise you had when you first posted up on here?  Yeah, you pointed out that you played the demo to back up everything that had already been stated by a bunch of other folks.  Then you come in saying you were talking about THOSE SPECIFIC SCREENS...and yet I know you aren't going to be able to provide the proof to back up what I just quoted from you?  Seriously, Jayge...I mean, I'm a shit-starter...but you just make me shake my head sometimes, man.  **EDIT** Wait, like this matters anyways.  Editting posts ftw to match against what I say, right?  =  /

Back to the topic at hand...yes, 360 version used UE3 as well.  There have been many, many times where it has been stated that UE3 is difficult to program with on the PS3, and especially in the case of porting a game...which is why the PS3 version of UTIII came out later than the other ones.  That's made BY THE DEVELOPERS OF THE ENGINE THEMSELVES!!!  If they had problems, then it could very well just be that the PS3 is difficult to use with UE3 and blame is being placed on the devs for no reason whatsoever.





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