Who is the better siren? Lillith or Maya?

#1 Posted by Demoskinos (14722 posts) -

Just wondering what siren you cats prefer. I've been playing Maya simply because I have no interest in the other classes and its what I played last time. Im just not finding her ability very useful ATM possibly it will get better but I liked Lillith a whole lot better. Was curious what everyone else thought. Also any suggestions on what skills make her phase lock the most fun? Can you ever lock more than one enemy?

#2 Posted by YI_Orange (1141 posts) -

I only played a little bit a both of them(not a huge fan, I'm a soldier/commando guy), so I can't really say for that. I like playing on a team with a Maya better though. Phaselock is really useful on 4 player.

As characters it kind of defaults to Lilith at this point since she got some development and Maya is essentially just a shell. Also, finding the Roland Facebook page in Lilith's lair was awesome.

#3 Posted by JeanLuc (3577 posts) -

If your playing Co-op Maya is an amazing support character if you spec her right.

#4 Posted by nerdsbeware (223 posts) -

Maya by far IMO. Phaselock seems to be a far better skill in both terms of offensive and defensive means. Pair up with a gunzerker and man you will wreck stuff fast. I have a solid Harmony Nurse build that I'm playing co-op with and almost 9 times out of 10 I'll end up being the last one standing rezzing everyone.

#5 Posted by ImHungry (377 posts) -

Gameplay-wise Maya's skill trees are definitely more appealing to me, probably mostly because I don't really like to use SMGs. In terms of just teh overall character though, Lillith probably edges out Maya.

#6 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3844 posts) -

Lillith. I'm a sucker for redheads.

#7 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8698 posts) -

Lilith was a beast later on, very agile and spreading elements like its going out of style.
Maya seems more of a team focused Siren with Phaselock really, both have their own good sides though, like em both a lot.

#8 Posted by believer258 (11772 posts) -

Lillith's ability in the first game wasn't really all that clear to me at first. You just turn invisible and run from cover to cover? I thought you could attack with it but that got me killed a few times. Either way, her ability and Brick's ability from the first game didn't seem terribly useful to me. Phaselock seems infinitely more useful.

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#9 Edited by StarvingGamer (8128 posts) -

Maya. Phase Lock is sooo much better.

EDIT: Actually read the rest of your post o_O. In terms of usefulness, I primarily use it as a Badass killing tool. I combine it with a high DPS weapon like a Jacobs revolver, and use it to take out Badasses before they have a chance to fight back. I'm level 28 and it still works reliably on almost every type of Badass.

Skill-wise, I haven't really invested in the skill specifically since it doesn't work against bosses and I'd rather just buff my general gun stats. I did put one point into Converge, the skill that sucks nearby enemies in, but only because it happened to have 10 points in the Motion tree already. Sub-Sequence actually seems like a pretty cool skill though. With good aim and the right guns you could probably clear a room off of a single Phaselock.

#10 Posted by aurahack (2270 posts) -

I like Lilith as a character better but despite sinking in 50 levels into her in the first game, I find Maya infinitely more fun to play as. Phaselock is an amazing ability and my friend, who plays as Zero, can really fuck shit up when we pair our abilities together. SUPER fun.

#11 Posted by Nottle (1912 posts) -

I found Maya's wildlife reserve echo recorder. Her story seems ok.

I'm on a team with my friends as Maya, they are playing each of the other classes and I feel like I'm probably the most useful party member. Phaselock gives everyone health and it lets us focus on tougher enemies.

You know that 10 seconds you spend reviving your friends? I just look at them use phaselock and they get up instantly.

Also I'm building my character a completely different way. in this game I'm support, in BL1 I elemental damaged everything.

#12 Posted by Brodehouse (9770 posts) -

Phaselock is way better than Phasewalk, but man the Firebird tree or whatever it was called, that thing was crazy. Everytime your shields drop you burn everything around you, you triple all fire damage, that thing was crazy.

#13 Posted by Gruff182 (854 posts) -

Lillith was better for me, I still like the new Siren.

Mayas more of a support character. Lillith could support a team but also ruin everything in site and get around fast!.

#14 Posted by Demoskinos (14722 posts) -
@believer258

Lillith's ability in the first game wasn't really all that clear to me at first. You just turn invisible and run from cover to cover? I thought you could attack with it but that got me killed a few times. Either way, her ability and Brick's ability from the first game didn't seem terribly useful to me. Phaselock seems infinitely more useful.

You can. When she reenters from phasewalking a huge erruption happens and with class mods you can add elemental damage. It wad super useful to run into a crowd and unleash it for massive corrosive damage.
#15 Posted by Hizang (8533 posts) -

I am currently playing through Borderlands one, I haven't touched the second one but I really dig Lillth. I'm just a bit past New Haven and am about level 24. I love her ability, it's less of an offensive move and more of a get the hell out of there fast. But I've spec'd her so I get health back when she phase walks and she hurts enemies alot too.

#16 Posted by AjayRaz (12423 posts) -

i miss Phasewalk a lot but Maya is a lot more fun to play as. Phaselock is kickass and it looks the abilities later on will make it even more fun to play around with. i kinda miss Lilith's bitchiness though

#17 Posted by Synaptic (308 posts) -

Lilith had the better skill trees. Improved elemental chance and stuff was op as hell.

#18 Edited by Hitchenson (4682 posts) -

Lilith was insanely op, the other classes in the first game didn't even come close to her. Maya's fun as hell to play though.

#19 Posted by Spoonman671 (4588 posts) -

I prefer Maya so far.  I always felt like I was retreating with Lilith, but with Maya I get to run up and shotgun fools in the face.

#20 Posted by believer258 (11772 posts) -

@Demoskinos said:

@believer258

Lillith's ability in the first game wasn't really all that clear to me at first. You just turn invisible and run from cover to cover? I thought you could attack with it but that got me killed a few times. Either way, her ability and Brick's ability from the first game didn't seem terribly useful to me. Phaselock seems infinitely more useful.

You can. When she reenters from phasewalking a huge erruption happens and with class mods you can add elemental damage. It wad super useful to run into a crowd and unleash it for massive corrosive damage.

Yeah, I figured that out quickly enough, but it wasn't very useful at first. This is unlike the Soldier's turret, which was useful from the start and pretty much became a gamebreaker.

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#21 Posted by huntad (1930 posts) -

They're both pretty good and fun to play at higher levels.

#22 Posted by Tennmuerti (8057 posts) -

Lilith was too OP in the first game. Best damage of all classes combined with temp invulnerability on a short cooldown and shield/ammo regen. I would know :P having cake walked through playthrough 2 and all DLC like a playground, then legit soloing Crawmerax in the first few days.

Maya seems to have gotten the short end of the stick initially, which is deserved because disbalance is bad mkay. But i notice all the classes in Borderlands 2 only truly start coming into their own and begin feeling powerfull once you start getting into teens past your first major skill unlock and closer towards the last tier unlock. So need to play her some more, my Maya is a bit low lvl atm.

#23 Posted by Portis (1286 posts) -

Maya. Phaselock is some serious fucking business.

#24 Posted by mosdl (3228 posts) -

Since I was planning on doing a lot of co-op I speced my Maya for it and it was amazingly usefull. Phaselocking a friend into second wind immediately saved out bacon, especially for the final boss.

#25 Posted by CheapPoison (727 posts) -

I think Maya isn't even close to Lilith from the skills i read.

#26 Posted by Humanity (9011 posts) -

@Brodehouse: You actually get a shield just like that for doing a sidequest.

#27 Posted by TooWalrus (13153 posts) -

Now that they've expanded Lillith a little bit, I think she's pretty cool. 
 
Actually, I liked her Phasewalk a little better than the Phaselock, so I'd have said her either way.

#28 Posted by Nev (544 posts) -

Lilith was my 'main' in Borderlands 1, and I put dozens of hours in playing her. Maya is my main in 2. I played entirely solo in both.

I vastly prefer Phaselock. Maya's Cataclysm tree has been really kickass. Phaselocking a guy in a group, and just unloading on him, and thanks to Helios, Chain Reaction, and Cloud Kill, the majority of the enemies around him are also dead. Recently grabbing 5/5 Blight Phoenix + Ruin, I imagine that will be even more-so. I also use a Relic that lowers her Phaselock cooldown, so its up very fast.

All in all, Maya has been quite a killing machine. Lilith was badass, too, but I did not find Phasewalking nearly as useful as a "use in every encounter" as I do Phaselock.

#29 Posted by MikkaQ (10277 posts) -

Maya for sure. Phase walking was so fucking useless.

#30 Posted by Twiggy199 (496 posts) -

@aurahack said:

I like Lilith as a character better but despite sinking in 50 levels into her in the first game, I find Maya infinitely more fun to play as. Phaselock is an amazing ability and my friend, who plays as Zero, can really fuck shit up when we pair our abilities together. SUPER fun.

I thought Zero wasn't out yet?

#31 Edited by Tennmuerti (8057 posts) -

@MikkaQ said:

Maya for sure. Phase walking was so fucking useless.

It was the most overpowered class ability in the original Borderlands. Also the main reason why sirens were the first class to solo Crawmerax without an exploit.

#32 Posted by Creamypies (4059 posts) -

@JeanLuc said:

If your playing Co-op Maya is an amazing support character if you spec her right.

This. I've been playing Siren with 3 of my mates and if you spec down the healing tree she is absolutely incredible. Reviving people instantly from long range can come in extremely handy. I basically never die anymore either. I'm enjoying her power more than Liliths. Especially when you're up against a boss or badass character, being able to stop them from attacking for a period of time and hold them in midair can be really handy.

#33 Posted by bkbroiler (1615 posts) -

Zer0 pretty much has Lilith's phasewalk ability, so if you miss that try him out. I'm speccing my guy as more of a sniper, but it seems like you can go for massive pistol/melee damage if you want.

#34 Posted by udabenshen (178 posts) -

Specced correctly, Phasick can be a devastating bomb of elemental damage, it just takes getting up to a higher level. I do kind of feel like the fact that The vanilla version of Phaselock doesn't do damage is kind of discouraging to new Siren players, but once you master the cataclysm tree is really powerful.

#35 Posted by Demoskinos (14722 posts) -

Hmm.. phaselock is growing on me now that I finally got to one of the mid-tier abilities. Now I can at least use it as a AOE to burn enemies which is neat.

#36 Posted by Snail (8593 posts) -

I hate when threads miss out on a clear opportunity for a poll.

#37 Posted by L1GHTN1N (444 posts) -

I had a level 62 Lilith and have a 16 Maya. So far I vastly prefer Lilith. I had her specced out so when I Phasewalked I recovered Health/Shields, lasted a long while, and caused AoE damage when I was standing near people. She also did 700% melee damage when coming out of it. I'd wait until it was almost out and and punch the strongest enemy in the face which would cause 50-100% of their health to just disappear; along with the SMG skills I was unstoppable.

On the other hand as Maya I haven't really figured out how to play her since I'm going solo. I put 5 points into the skill that causes you to get HP back when you kill a phaselocked enemy, and have been putting everything else into Cataclysm but I'm barely scrapping by every fight, might need to respec and play around with it more.

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#38 Posted by Yummylee (21467 posts) -

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

Lilith was a beast later on, very agile and spreading elements like its going out of style. Maya seems more of a team focused Siren with Phaselock really, both have their own good sides though, like em both a lot.

Yup, this. Lilith was insanely overpowered once she got up in the levels, and Phasewalk was incredibly useful for getting out of a tight situation while also massacring everything around you. I even solo'd crawremax thanks to her ability. Maya's still OK and I'm sure I'm going to enjoy playing as her a lot more when I can spec into making her Phaselock an explosive singularity, but I still kinda miss playing as Lillith :P

#39 Posted by psylah (2167 posts) -

@Tennmuerti said:

@MikkaQ said:

Maya for sure. Phase walking was so fucking useless.

It was the most overpowered class ability in the original Borderlands. Also the main reason why sirens were the first class to solo Crawmerax without an exploit.

Phasewalking was so OP. Phasewalk>Melee>SMG spray> Phasewalk>Rinse> Repeat

Maya has an actual backstory, so I like her better already.

#40 Posted by RoyaleWifCheese (546 posts) -

@TheSouthernDandy said:

Lillith. I'm a sucker for redheads.

Seconded.

#41 Posted by Yummylee (21467 posts) -

@RoyaleWifCheese said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

Lillith. I'm a sucker for redheads.

Seconded.

Maya could still be a redhead if ya want, what with all of the palette swaps options the game gives you.

#42 Posted by Jeric (146 posts) -

Gameplay-wise, I'm sure Lilith's Phasewalk is more comparable to Decepti0n. Having mained her in BL1 and maining Maya now, I can say that they're super different and it's all in preference.

With Lilith I was able to rush around the battlezone, destroying every single thing (including every goddamn exploding barrel) with her Kill Skill buffs. If things got heated, I had an escape option which doubled as a damage dealer.

I'm at Lv28 with Maya and I've tried each tree at some point, ending up with me choosing the Control tree. Harmony is alright, best for a team - Cataclysm's made up of damage boosters, which aren't my thing, as I prefer "utility" abilities. Control allowed me to have unstoppable shield survivability and kickass group manipulation. I can't tell you how many times I used the gravity pull combined with a powerful rocket launcher.

#43 Posted by Blackout62 (1336 posts) -

Lilith, oh the stuff I wrecked playing as Lilith.

#44 Posted by Skyfire543 (675 posts) -

Phaselock is fun. I find myself using it way more than I used Phasewalk in the first game.

#45 Posted by HistoryInRust (6289 posts) -

I loved how quickly Lilith could cover space. For me, that was her appeal.

Maya functions as a medic/shield-stripper. At least the way I play her. She's never going to be the vanguard of the group, but Phaselock allows her to freeze enemies in place, debuff them, and restore health to the entire squad. Phaselock can instantly revive a downed teammate and, in the Cataclysm tree, enact a multitude of status effects on any enemy whenever she wants.

Maya's deadly in the right hands. You always should have a good Maya on your team.

#46 Posted by avago (1 posts) -

I have all 5 characters at level 50. friends watch me and remind me to get ammo. but as maya says in game 'I dont need ammo' maya is better than lilith for the obvious reasons of phaselock. phasewalk is on zero the assassin. and if you spec zero right when you kill while in 'Deception' you redeploy and it starts again.

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