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    Borderlands

    Game » consists of 30 releases. Released Oct 20, 2009

    Borderlands is a first-person shooter RPG from Gearbox Software that puts players into the shoes of one of four playable characters as they traverse the hostile planet of Pandora in search of a mysterious "Vault," said to contain priceless unknown riches and alien technologies.

    1 MILLION WEAPONS! uhh.. what...

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    #1  Edited By HeavyWeaponsGuy

    Come on, they can't be serious.. 
     
     
    They say that in borderlands that there will be 1 MILLION (1,000,000) weapon combinations. 
     
     Wow.

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    #2  Edited By memo

    most likely variants of different parts to make that possible 

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    #3  Edited By Druminator

    I'm sure a lot of them are really weak and rather useless while some will be really awesome but also really hard to find out in the lands.

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    #4  Edited By Shadow

    I can see it.  It's enough of a selling point for me to imagine either a complex random generator for that stuff, or for designers to spend months just inputting data for the stats on those things (numbers, not looks...that would be crazy)

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    #5  Edited By ahoodedfigure
    @memo: Right.  It's a combination of a bunch of different elements, sort of like how Diablo generates loot, only it looks to be more random.
     
    The reason it's surprising is that you don't usually find stuff like this in an FPS.  It should be fun just to find new weapons and try them out, even if some will be better than others.  I just wonder how many guns you'd be able to have on you at one time.
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    #6  Edited By Vecta

    As far as I remember from an interview I saw, they basically have a random weapon generator where they just simply supply it with the parts and different effects and then wep. gen. just makes a crazy amount of combination out of them.

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    #7  Edited By L33tfella_H
    @HeavyWeaponsGuy said:
    " Come on, they can't be serious..   They say that in borderlands that there will be 1 MILLION (1,000,000) weapon combinations.   Wow. "
    apparentaly that Number is now 3,166,200 actually.
     
    But it works like Diablo's Randomization, albeit a bit more stepped up i guess.
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    #8  Edited By WinterSnowblind

    The weapons are randomly generated, stat and property wise.  So for example, you can find a pistol that fires shotgun shells or a rifle that fires rockets.
    The actual amount of is obviously exagerated and most of the differences won't be visably noticable.

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    #9  Edited By chapman12

    3 million actually
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    #10  Edited By jeffgoldblum

    This is old news.

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    #11  Edited By Jelloblimp
    @ahoodedfigure said:
    " @memo: Right.  It's a combination of a bunch of different elements, sort of like how Diablo generates loot, only it looks to be more random.  The reason it's surprising is that you don't usually find stuff like this in an FPS.  It should be fun just to find new weapons and try them out, even if some will be better than others.  I just wonder how many guns you'd be able to have on you at one time. "
    On the 360-version you can "hotkey" four at a time.
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    #12  Edited By mracoon

    It's similar to Diablo. They'll all look similar but just have different colours with different names and stats. I think it's all randomly generated but I'm not sure.

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    #13  Edited By gamer_152  Moderator

    The weapons are indeed procedurally generated and the 1,000,000 weapons available in Borderlands is just one of the reasons I think it's looking like an awesome game.

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    #14  Edited By Snipzor

    Random generation of stats, and variety between weapons, of course there is going to be a ton of weapons to choose from.

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    #15  Edited By Suicrat

    Whatever the hype, the amount of ammo types is the real amount of weapons. All the other stuff they add to them to add to the variety are going to be somewhat superficial.
     
    Take for instance MGS4, it had dozens of weapons with a bunch of combinations of attachments, but there was really only the Rail Gun, the pistol, the sniper rifle, and the automatic rifle, because those were the most important ammo types.

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    #16  Edited By EdIsCool
    @Suicrat said:
    " Whatever the hype, the amount of ammo types is the real amount of weapons. All the other stuff they add to them to add to the variety are going to be somewhat superficial.  Take for instance MGS4, it had dozens of weapons with a bunch of combinations of attachments, but there was really only the Rail Gun, the pistol, the sniper rifle, and the automatic rifle, because those were the most important ammo types. "
    this, also Fallout 3 drove me insane with its unique weapons which just had better stats but which looked identical. I love Elder Scrolls games because I love going out treasure hunting often ignoring quests for a long time. So hopefully there are many different weapon skins.
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    #17  Edited By ProjektGill

    Kotaku posted some names of weapons like Weaksauce SMG, Terrible Shotgun (Fallout 3 rip) and Violent SMG. I know there will be tons of guns called the Violent SMG but with different stats and ammo types but these weapon names still sound pretty funny .

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    #18  Edited By Renahzor

    Actually Randy Pitchford was quoted in an interview as saying the current count is about 17.75M permutations for guns.  Obviously they'll probably have to take some out (useless combinations etc). 
     

    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=220328
     
     
    Suffice to say, there will be plenty of guns.  :P
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    #19  Edited By nicolenomicon

    Just think of Champions of Norrath, that thing had ridiculous amounts of weapons!
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    #20  Edited By freeground

    They use several engines to randomly generate weapons by using diferent parts and adding them together resulting in a new weapon. The flaw is that by the end you'll end up with 20 different guns that all look the same.
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    #21  Edited By wh1terav3n

    I heard over 3,000,000 according to a debug build about a month ago. In any case its pretty nuts

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    #22  Edited By Ping5000

    Here is a gun that shoots bullets. 
    Here is a gun that is like the first gun, except this one shoots electric bullets. 
    Here is a gun that is like the second gun, except this one shoots incendiary bullets. 
     
    I'm expecting a lot of those.

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    #23  Edited By Mrnitropb

    17.5 million +-

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    #24  Edited By Psykerstar

    I dont think its really over one million i think it is just over one million ways to customize your gun which is awesome as well

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    #25  Edited By natetodamax
    @Psykerstar said:
    " I dont think its really over one million i think it is just over one million ways to customize your gun which is awesome as well "
    It's over 17 million unique weapons.
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    #26  Edited By Psykerstar
    @natetodamax said:
    " @Psykerstar said:
    " I dont think its really over one million i think it is just over one million ways to customize your gun which is awesome as well "
    It's over 17 million unique weapons. "
    I will believe it when i see it
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    #27  Edited By MonkeyGekko

    I heard it was 87 bazillion guns? could I be wrong?

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    #28  Edited By natetodamax
    @Psykerstar said:
    " @natetodamax said:
    " @Psykerstar said:
    " I dont think its really over one million i think it is just over one million ways to customize your gun which is awesome as well "
    It's over 17 million unique weapons. "
    I will believe it when i see it "
    Randy Pitchford doesn't lie. Besides, they've been pitching the game by saying they've developed a program that makes the weapons for them based on several factors. You can't customize weapons as far as I know
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    #29  Edited By Psykerstar
    @natetodamax: 
    You need to be able to at least upgrade your guns and i hope even make new guns
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    Looking forward to it, I know it'll probably be just like different colors that separate them or silly things like that, but it sounds like a cool idea and a want to see how it's handled.

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    #31  Edited By gungrave45

    I have yet to see 2 different shotguns/smgs/assault rifles that look different in this game. color variation and scopes dont count gearbox.

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    #32  Edited By Brunchies

    Its more of a way for them to make their game sell a little bit more, everyone knows there won't be a million weapons.

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    #33  Edited By Nonethewiser

    Not surprising if you've played something like diablo. but there will probably be thousands of  weapons with only marginally different stats. I'd rather have it that way than fewer very unique weapons. How could you weapon farm? 
     
    No, you can't upgrade or make new guns. The farthest in that direction BL goes is upping your proficiency with a weapon. So if you play with a certain type for a while you will get stat increases.

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