This is the biggest victim of the current generation.

#1 Posted by Arkthemaniac (6535 posts) -

Damn you, Halo! Now, so few games have bots to play against. Yeah, in an era of online gaming, maybe it's dumb to play a game against the computer . . . but god damnit, sometimes it's just fun to blast people away without having to listen to them bitch. I'm getting the Xbox-to-Wii port of Rogue Trooper mainly because it has bot support. Anyone else love killing bots?

#2 Posted by Discorsi (1390 posts) -

bots suck so bad.  good riddance.

#3 Posted by destro (248 posts) -

back in the day. the bots on perfect dark got destroyed, hahaha. I dont even know any games that have bots.

#4 Posted by Snipzor (3317 posts) -

I love my bots the way I love my cannon fodder... useless and dumb.

#5 Posted by c1337us (5751 posts) -
Discorsi said:
"bots suck so bad.  good riddance."
I couldnt agree more.
#6 Posted by Fr0Br0 (3085 posts) -

Bots and Splitscreen are what I miss most. Why does everything have to be online multiplayer? What if I want to play with a game with somebody next to me? I used to have so much fun teaming up with a friend and going against a team of bots. And if bots aren't available we could go head to head talking shit to each other's faces. But I guess developers want us to be pussies and say shit over the internet...

#7 Posted by Black_Rose (7785 posts) -

100% agree.

#8 Posted by immike (714 posts) -

I'm not sure why people ever got tired of bots. With the amount of people verbally attacking each other on XBL, I am for bots now more than ever.  
 
I understand that they are stupid and don't always hold their own, but that's one of the fun aspects: they give you some freedom to do what you want while still giving you somewhat of a challenge. I play Perfect Dark Zero from time to time just because it has bots and I grow tired of people on XBL. I wanna shoot stuff and not feel nervous a guy on my team is looking at my a little funny and get blown away by friendly fire. Or you manage to pull off a really great score/moment in a game and then receive messages detailing how much of an "asshole and hacker" you are. 
 
Bring back bots....please?

#9 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

Bots do not suck.  UT2004 was a great training ground for skilling up.  Bots should've gotten much better since we've moved on to multithreaded/multi core aware engines.  It pisses me off that this generation of console only gamers have almost no knowledge of the best tricks because they've been limited by dumb AI and often entirely bot-less maps.

#10 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

Yes. There are two competetive FPS games I was every really, really good at, Day of Defeat and Natural Selection, because I could practise maps, aim, reactions etc. in a stress- and pressure free, lack-of-idiots, relaxed AI Bot environment. 
 
And those were modding-bots that were created for fun by random internet people. Imagine what could be done by professional developers with today's tools. O well.

#11 Posted by illumination (30 posts) -

Bots are one of the things i miss. :( Maybe the bot can be revived in 2010?? :D

#12 Posted by immike (714 posts) -

Glad to see that there are some that feel some sort of appreciation for bots. There are some bots that do not suck, yes. UT2004 bots destroyed me, but I ended up getting better and did really well online and against the bots. I hope they receive a revive or whatever like cooperative modes have received these past few years.

#13 Posted by Shirogane (3561 posts) -

Yeah, bring back bots, and make them talk shit as well, that would be pretty hilarious. Some of the UT ones did it, saying stuff when you killed them, or when they killed you. 
Bots are fun, cause they're bots. But i think developers are just too lazy to bother making the AI and assume people will have enough fun killing each other.
#14 Posted by MAN_FLANNEL (2460 posts) -

UT3 has bots...play that?
 
Oh, and Horde mode and Firefight are better than tdm and ctf with bots. 

#15 Edited by Pepsicolaboy (313 posts) -

I love bots. Killzone 2 had good support for bots, and AI that was pretty decent to go along with it.
 
Its totally irrelevant to compare bots vs. multiplayer experiences, they ultimately serve a different purpose and provide a different play experience.
I like playing with bots now and then because its a little more relaxed, and in some strange way often more dramatic as large numbers of AI controlled oppents follow similar scripting (to show a kind a cohesion that online multiplayer often lacks).
 
On top of that, bots can be a really good way of practicing, getting used to a game mode or in some cases (like mine - no gold account on my 360) it actually provides the only 'multiplayer' style gameplay that a game delivers. Gears 2 was great for this reason.
Considering that less than half of people with 360's actually use live, bots seem like a essential part of the game package these days, particularly as developers put more and more effort in to elaborate and generally excellent multiplayer maps and modes.
 
On top of that (again), I even use bots in games I own on PS3 and PC (ie. killzone 2 and say, UT3) even though online play is free - thats how much some people like them.
 
BOTS = VALUE + FUN + WHY THE HELL NOT?

#16 Posted by carlthenimrod (1579 posts) -

Doesn't horde mode and every variant of it basically equate to you fighting bots?

#17 Posted by immike (714 posts) -

I agree, horde mode is basically bots with a single tactic: Rush you (also firefight). I'd like to compare that to Gears 2 which had that but also had other modes. I really enjoyed fighting the bots for the hill in king of the hill, defending my leader from the bots while taking down their leader, etc. 
 
POINT: The biggest difference between horde mode and multiplayer bot matches is that horde mode does not cater to single players. It caters towards groups of players who want to defend against waves of bots. Playing these modes alone anytime is pretty stressful and generally not too much fun, but playable.
 
I love horde mode, but I also really love multiplayer bots. I want both to coexist and make a comeback. (Yeah, Killzone 2 has bots and now I want a PS3. Also, yup, I'm gonna go pick up gears 2 and ut3. Thanks Epic Games.)

#18 Edited by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

Even stupid bots are great. They give you something to shoot at while getting to know the maps.
 
I used to play CS back in the day with the most basic bots that only had a couple of dozen waypoints per map that they would just cycle.

#19 Posted by Captain_Insano (1514 posts) -
@Meowayne: Day of Defeat fkn rocked
#20 Posted by Druminator (1666 posts) -

Bots in Red Faction were so fun to demolish. Dig a huge ass tunnel with the rocket launcher and let them pour in.

#21 Posted by Bigandtasty (3202 posts) -

I agree. I would like to have bots from time to time if only to mess around with even if the AI is terrible. Maybe only on the PC versions of the game since they're more justifiable when the tools of PC games are available to abuse, but I would like to have them as an option.

#22 Posted by Deusoma (2972 posts) -

I love bots, and I have missed them dearly. Halo 2 and 3 deeply disappointed me with the lack of even rudimentary bots, because I hate playing online with other people. I had Unreal Tournament 1 back in the day, and never, ever played it with another person, just against increasingly difficult bots on all kinds of maps from the interblag. 
 
 I also prefer split-screen to online, but that's a different discussion.

#23 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -
@MAN_FLANNEL said:
" UT3 has bots...play that?  Oh, and Horde mode and Firefight are better than tdm and ctf with bots.  "
Yeah UT3's are fine and Horde mode's enemies are fine too but both are fewer and further between examples of bots and decent AI in modern games.  Hell, I still think that FEAR's AI was one of most impressive examples of dynamic path finding yet.
#24 Posted by immike (714 posts) -
@Deusoma said:
" I love bots, and I have missed them dearly. Halo 2 and 3 deeply disappointed me with the lack of even rudimentary bots, because I hate playing online with other people. I had Unreal Tournament 1 back in the day, and never, ever played it with another person, just against increasingly difficult bots on all kinds of maps from the interblag.    I also prefer split-screen to online, but that's a different discussion. "
Yes, I was also pretty disappointed in Halo not having bots. This is of course just my opinion, but it would have been totally complete in my eyes if the series had bots. I love how Counter-Strike Condition Zero allowed users to make maps and then the bots adapted and were able to navigate the maps. If they could do that in Halo or CoD, that'd be great.  
 
I'm hoping that Battlefield BC2 has bots, but if not I will stick to the games like UT, Gears, Tom Clancy games, etc. for my bot needs.
#25 Posted by SuperfluousMoniker (2901 posts) -

Back in the days of Quake 1, bots were my preferred way to play multiplayer for the most part (it was that or a 200-300 ping dial up connection). There were some pretty good ones like the Omicron bot, which had surprisingly realistic play, it had 'personalities' with varying skill levels and strategies, knew how to control the important areas of a map, would trash talk you, the whole nine yards. Much more entertaining than an ice skating lagfest with a bunch of noobs.

#26 Posted by Expletive (1057 posts) -

Local Co-op is the thing I'm saddest about losing, I realize it's not completely gone but hardly any games have it anymore. 

#27 Posted by Skald (4366 posts) -

The enemies in horde mode have more in common with campaign enemies than bots. Bots are meant to be analogous to human players.
 
Bots are great because they can accomplish what every ranking and matchmaking system in existence has failed to do: create a consistent and skill-adjusted experience. 
Gears of War 2 had some of the least consistent bots I had ever seen.  I truly hated them. 
Killzone 2 had effective bots. They went for objectives, shot dudes, used skills, and sometimes flanked enemies.
And I couldn't even imagine playing an RTS without bots.

#28 Posted by immike (714 posts) -
@extremeradical said:
" The enemies in horde mode have more in common with campaign enemies than bots. Bots are meant to be analogous to human players. Bots are great because they can accomplish what every ranking and matchmaking system in existence has failed to do: create a consistent and skill-adjusted experience. Gears of War 2 had some of the least consistent bots I had ever seen.  I truly hated them. Killzone 2 had effective bots. They went for objectives, shot dudes, used skills, and sometimes flanked enemies.And I couldn't even imagine playing an RTS without bots. "
Were the bots really that good in KZ2? I have not played the game, but I am going to get a ps3 sometime soon and might get the game. I seen a lot of the first game and the bots did not look too bright. From what you said, though, the bots seem to have improved.
#29 Posted by Capum15 (4572 posts) -

I loved the bots in 007 Nightfire (for the N64). You could modify so many stats. I would always make strong and slow bots coupled with a few fast and weak, with the occasional camper/rusher/normal in there.
 
And it does suck that most games are now ditching splitscreen co-op.

#30 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7612 posts) -

I really miss bots, I wish developers would learn that not everyone wants to play online.  I wouldn't blame Halo for this though, it seems most developers are just trying to force people to play online.  Most people who play online consider bots "beneath" them anyway, which is evident from this topic.  People who care more for offline/split-screen, like myself would like to have them, to at least add some competition.
#31 Posted by Meowayne (6084 posts) -

  ice skating

Oo, I have never heard that term for a laggy game before. Cute.
#32 Posted by Skald (4366 posts) -
@immike said:
" @extremeradical said:
" The enemies in horde mode have more in common with campaign enemies than bots. Bots are meant to be analogous to human players. Bots are great because they can accomplish what every ranking and matchmaking system in existence has failed to do: create a consistent and skill-adjusted experience. Gears of War 2 had some of the least consistent bots I had ever seen.  I truly hated them. Killzone 2 had effective bots. They went for objectives, shot dudes, used skills, and sometimes flanked enemies.And I couldn't even imagine playing an RTS without bots. "
Were the bots really that good in KZ2? I have not played the game, but I am going to get a ps3 sometime soon and might get the game. I seen a lot of the first game and the bots did not look too bright. From what you said, though, the bots seem to have improved. "
They don't transcend bot-ness, but they're satisfying enough to play against. Better than most bots, anyway.
#33 Posted by CitizenKane (10501 posts) -

Truly this the age of online gaming.  Truly.

#34 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -

Counter-Strike bots on hard were hackers, I swear to god.

#35 Posted by zudthespud (3278 posts) -

I like the bots in UT3, the Gears of War 2 bots are hopeless though. L4D AI is horrific also.

#36 Posted by pornstorestiffi (4905 posts) -

I used the Bots in Kz2 as practice before heading online, i thought the Bots in that game where pretty good.

#37 Posted by InfiniteGeass (2041 posts) -

They really should bring them back for when you don't feel like playing online.

#38 Posted by EVO (3782 posts) -
@Druminator said:
" Bots in Red Faction were so fun to demolish. Dig a huge ass tunnel with the rocket launcher and let them pour in. "
Fuck yeah. My friend and I used to love digging a hole, then watching the chaos ensue as we flame throwered the helpless bots.
 
Ahh, Red Faction. Good times.
#39 Posted by Origina1Penguin (3500 posts) -

Ah, bots. Another reason I love Timesplitters so much. I do agree that most bots are too simple and predictable though. I'm currently working my way into programming Artificial Intelligence. Too bad the big money for that is outside of the video game industry.

#40 Edited by Pepsicolaboy (313 posts) -
@immike said:

" @extremeradical said:

" The enemies in horde mode have more in common with campaign enemies than bots. Bots are meant to be analogous to human players. Bots are great because they can accomplish what every ranking and matchmaking system in existence has failed to do: create a consistent and skill-adjusted experience. Gears of War 2 had some of the least consistent bots I had ever seen.  I truly hated them. Killzone 2 had effective bots. They went for objectives, shot dudes, used skills, and sometimes flanked enemies.And I couldn't even imagine playing an RTS without bots. "
Were the bots really that good in KZ2? I have not played the game, but I am going to get a ps3 sometime soon and might get the game. I seen a lot of the first game and the bots did not look too bright. From what you said, though, the bots seem to have improved. "
Honestly, the only significant difference between playing with Bots in KZ2 and playing with real people was that (on higher difficulties) the bots would kill you faster. Other than that, yeah, the bot A.I is pretty excellent. Maybe not perfect, but very challenging and enjoyable.
#41 Posted by Coombs (3449 posts) -

I remember some good times with Perfect Dark blasting through shit tons of bots

#42 Posted by ArclightBorealis (1563 posts) -

I too miss bots.

#43 Posted by PureRok (4235 posts) -

Chalk me up as someone who also misses bots.

#44 Posted by Death_Unicorn (2826 posts) -

Something I really enjoyed about Gears of War 2.

#45 Posted by immike (714 posts) -
@extremeradical: Hmm, well I sure hope they don't transcend botness. Wouldn't want them to suddenly evolve into real people :P. Just kidding I know what you meant. The fact that KZ2 had bots made me really want a PS3.  
 
@zudthespud said:
" I like the bots in UT3, the Gears of War 2 bots are hopeless though. L4D AI is horrific also. "
Really? I really enjoyed the bots in both UT3 and Gears 2. I guess I'm just a bot lover... 
 
@Pepsicolaboy: As long as the game has bots, it is A-OK in my book. I guess it'd be nice if they weren't like CS Expert bots that one shot you by flinging their reticule to your head and firing in less than half a second. Other than that, bring on the bots, I'll take em all on! 
 
Just in general: I hope the new Halo has bots or some sort of offline multiplayer mode at the very least. It's the newest game coming out that I really hope has bots.
#46 Posted by Metric_Outlaw (1169 posts) -

I love killing online but sometimes I just want to jump on Timesplitters 2 and bust through a ton of bots.

#47 Posted by Zajtalan (1153 posts) -

oh yea i loved playing timesplitters 2 and just going nuts with bots

#48 Edited by Skald (4366 posts) -
@immike said:

" @extremeradical: Hmm, well I sure hope they don't transcend botness. Wouldn't want them to suddenly evolve into real people :P. Just kidding I know what you meant.  

You have no idea. 

 Transcending Botness  

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