What do you think of Braid?

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#1 Edited by left4doof (286 posts) -

Jonathan Blow's timebending puzzler is often brought up when on the topic games as art . I myself think it is not. Braid has great art and is really fun , but it comes off as somewhat pretentious. The whole allegory for the manhattan project was unneeded .


#2 Posted by Jonda (28 posts) -

I loved it

#3 Posted by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

I really liked the Braid forum and all the threads about it

#4 Edited by left4doof (286 posts) -

@jonda I liked it too but I thought all that " what if things didn't have consequences and Tim's a wifebeater " stuff was unnecessary .

#5 Edited by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

For real though, it's a masterpiece of game design having it's narrative interwoven in it as well as being a damn good game.

The art and music are gorgeous. Most people bitching about it being pretentious haven't seen true pretension.

And personally I liked the nod to the Manhattan Project to put another layer of ambiguity to the very interesting story(ies?)

#6 Posted by BeachThunder (11987 posts) -

Possibly my favourite game, or if not, definitely in the top 5.
 
Also, just out of curiosity, how old are you and why did you just start another thread with the title "eee" with "eee" in the body text? =/

#7 Posted by aldo_q (125 posts) -

Does it matter if it's pretentious or not if it's a good game or does it make the game less good or better because of it?

The discussion what art is can be quite complicated. I think this differs for a lot of people. But pretentious does not make it more or less art in eyes.

#8 Posted by left4doof (286 posts) -

Sorry about that I was testing something out did not mean to post that . Concerning my age 15

#9 Posted by Deusx (1905 posts) -

I don't think it's art but I will not get into that subject... Please people don't do that.  
 
The game is great, I love it. 

#10 Posted by mnzy (2914 posts) -

I think 15 bucks is too much for it.

#11 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

Every time I see someone throw out the word "pertensious" it seems they are just admitting that they have a hard time keeping up.

#12 Posted by left4doof (286 posts) -

I like it very much  too  I just think dont  like manhatten project thing I love the game .

#13 Posted by jorbear (2517 posts) -

I bought it recently and have not yet started it. From what I've heard, I will probably end up loving it.

#14 Edited by SoldierG654342 (1770 posts) -

It was an interesting platformer, but with the exception of the very last level it had perhaps the worst executed story in a game I've ever seen. But that last level stands as one of the best examples of storytelling through gameplay. 

#15 Posted by pingolobo (96 posts) -

Are you kidding?  Braid was a playable poem.  The gameplay was fun and the puzzles were very interesting.  To boot, the whole game was a the story in the books turned into gameplay. 
 
Having said that, I say all videogames are art;  there was a time when Rap music was not considered music even though, by definition, it is exactly that.   
 
Think of it as it relates to these questions:    
 
     There was an artist that had museum displays of shit in a jar.   
Did that artist make art? 
     Yes.  He was making a social critisism of how people value art only by who makes it - regardless of artistic value in the product-  it would be praised if    some famous dude made it. 
 
     If Justin Beiber or...say 50 Cent mases an autobiography,  
Would a book about Justin Beiber, or Fitty,  be art? 
     Yes.  The book would comunicate to the readers and inform them somewhat of what the guy wants to say.    
 
     What would you consider more as art,  for example: 
the God Of War games, the Curious George books, or the Avatar movie? 
     The answer is all are equally art for what is art is objectibe and can't really be measured. 
      Even when something might be more successful or ''artistic'' than something else, it does not take away from the fact that both are equal in definition.  Both are art.
#16 Posted by supermike6 (3565 posts) -

I could never get into it. I heard all the great things about, so I picked it up on Steam, and I guess it just isn't my thing. I usually like platformers, but Braid was just too hard and I never really felt the pay-off of understanding a hard question. 

#17 Posted by FritzDude (2263 posts) -

I think it is one of the best game experience i've ever... experienced .

#18 Posted by Underachiever007 (2468 posts) -

I think it's a really good game.

#19 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -
I'm more of a Flower guy. Got Braid for $3 on a PS Plus sale and didn't think it was all that.
#20 Posted by haggis (1677 posts) -

I liked the game. The other stuff, including the "narrative" were half-baked and silly to the point that I got a bit tired of it. To say it was pretentious is an understatement. It's rare that a game's attempt at adding story actually detracts from my enjoyment, but this was one of those cases. Sure, it's art. In the sense that a five-year-old's fingerpainting is art. Creative, sure. Good? No. The gameplay was interesting, but not particularly as mindblowing as so many seemed to be claiming at the time.
 
@McGhee_the_Insomniac said:

Every time I see someone throw out the word "pertensious" it seems they are just admitting that they have a hard time keeping up.

Or, you know, you could actually take people at their word for what they're saying, rather than making it all about you feeling better about yourself and your taste in games.
#21 Posted by GunslingerPanda (4790 posts) -

It's an overrated, pretentious, boring game.

Jonathan Blow is the Cormac McCarthy of vidya.

#22 Posted by probablytuna (3684 posts) -

I think it's hard.

#23 Posted by N7 (3590 posts) -

@RE_Player92 said:

I'm more of a Flower guy. Got Braid for $3 on a PS Plus sale and didn't think it was all that.

Word. That game was fantastic for $3, but, even though I'm too early into it(World 2 or 3 I think), I really don't see what the big deal is. I hope the puzzles get better.

It's not a bad game, I just don't see the hype yet.

#24 Posted by SlasherMan (1725 posts) -

Braid was, and still is, a masterpiece of a game. It impressed the heck out of me. I was a fan 5 minutes into that game, so I'm really interested in seeing what Jonathan comes up with next.

#25 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@N7 said:

@RE_Player92 said:

I'm more of a Flower guy. Got Braid for $3 on a PS Plus sale and didn't think it was all that.

Word. That game was fantastic for $3, but, even though I'm too early into it(World 2 or 3 I think), I really don't see what the big deal is. I hope the puzzles get better.

It's not a bad game, I just don't see the hype yet.

I didn't even go into it wanting to see the hype. I never really followed Braid or Flower when they were originally released but recently I got both because of a sale and Flower is now bundled with the soundtrack. I played both back to back and even though Flower cost me more and was shorter I thought it was a cooler experience. Braid was fun and the mechanics were cool I just never got to deep in the whole narrative.

#26 Posted by Surkov (992 posts) -

I think it's one of this generations greatest games. It's one of the few games that makes me feel accomplished for having beaten it. It took me 2 months of off-and-on playing, but I'm glad I beat it without a guide or anything. 

#27 Posted by N7 (3590 posts) -

@RE_Player92 said:

@N7 said:

@RE_Player92 said:

I'm more of a Flower guy. Got Braid for $3 on a PS Plus sale and didn't think it was all that.

Word. That game was fantastic for $3, but, even though I'm too early into it(World 2 or 3 I think), I really don't see what the big deal is. I hope the puzzles get better.

It's not a bad game, I just don't see the hype yet.

I didn't even go into it wanting to see the hype. I never really followed Braid or Flower when they were originally released but recently I got both because of a sale and Flower is now bundled with the soundtrack. I played both back to back and even though Flower cost me more and was shorter I thought it was a cooler experience. Braid was fun and the mechanics were cool I just never got to deep in the whole narrative.

Yeah, Flower is awesome. The final level is one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen in a video game. Like, Jesus. Everything just looked so great in that game, but that final level specifically really made me wish more games would try to go for that artistic surrealism. If an indie studio with only three people working at the company can do it, I'm sure a big time company can do it on an even greater scale.

#28 Posted by Trebz (487 posts) -

It was a really fun, interesting game with a story that seemed to be added on as an afterthought. Having a bunch of text before the beginning of a world isn't "storytelling in a game." It's storytelling and a game.

#29 Posted by Spoonman671 (4648 posts) -

I got it for $3, but I haven''t started playing it yet.  I expect I'll dislike it.

#30 Posted by cstrang (2381 posts) -

I liked it a lot. The game part was good, the thought that the narrative required of people was appreciative.

#31 Posted by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

@N7 said:

If an indie studio with only three people working at the company can do it, I'm sure a big time company can do it on an even greater scale.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to Prestiging after hours of Team Deathmatch and Headquarters Flower. Too bad I'll be using the perks for my petals. :P

#32 Posted by N7 (3590 posts) -

@TeflonBilly said:

@N7 said:

If an indie studio with only three people working at the company can do it, I'm sure a big time company can do it on an even greater scale.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to Prestiging after hours of Team Deathmatch and Headquarters Flower. Too bad I'll be using the perks for my petals. :P

You know it bro. I can't wait to get a 7 collect streak and call in a pollen bomb on the enemy petals. It's gonna be so beast.

#33 Posted by reddin (418 posts) -

I really liked it as a game. Puzzle platforming at its finest. Looks good as well.

The story was sort of interesting, but if I ever am going to play it again I'd happily just walk past it. Not because it was bad, but because it is irrelevant to the puzzling at hand. The story is not why I would replay it.

The whole "Can games be art?" "Is this game art?" etc. discussion does nothing for me, so I'll leave it at that.

#34 Posted by pornstorestiffi (4922 posts) -

Love the art style cause it gives me flashbacks from my Amiga gaming days for some reason. But the game it self is way too smart for me, and my dislike for platforming mixed with the puzzles makes for a bad cocktail. 

#35 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11795 posts) -

I like Braid for being a puzzle platformer with a sense of style and some well thought out puzzles. However, it is a game with an almost overbearing sense of self-importance, but I guess the same could be said for all "artsy" games like it.

#36 Posted by Kyreo (4600 posts) -

@RE_Player92 said:

I'm more of a Flower guy. Got Braid for $3 on a PS Plus sale and didn't think it was all that.

I surprised that you liked Flower but didn't like Braid. They seem to appeal to the same audiences.

#37 Posted by Simplexity (1382 posts) -

It's okay.

#38 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

@haggis said:

@McGhee_the_Insomniac said:

Every time I see someone throw out the word "pertensious" it seems they are just admitting that they have a hard time keeping up.

Or, you know, you could actually take people at their word for what they're saying, rather than making it all about you feeling better about yourself and your taste in games.

If what you said in reply to my joke really made any sense at all, I could reply in kind. But since it kind of doesn't I'll just say, lolwut?

#39 Posted by CornBREDX (5365 posts) -

I felt the game tried to hard to express itself and give a moral. It felt like it really wanted to be thought provoking, and in some ways it is but it feels like it wanted to be so much that it kind of pushes it in your face.

Not to be offensive to Jonathan Blower, but this is kind of the way I felt about him on the E3 bombcast as well. He likes to push his agenda, and i guess that's fine. It's awesome he's passionate about his work as well as his beliefs but I'm the type of person that believes that no one has to agree with what I say for me to feel my beliefs are valid. When someone pushes that hard on their beliefs it feels like they may be trying to hard.

So, in a lot of ways the game's story gives off the same impressions to me the developer did. That's just as a story though. As a game (gameplay and mechanics) it was very innovative and I really liked how it always tried to do something different. Every level feels heavily thought out and always tries to push itself to a new level. I found that really enjoyable, and how the game's mechanics were a metaphor unto itself was very clever.

Everything about the game was heavily thought out, some parts too much in my opinion, but overall the game is unique and special. It's a game that challenges you mentally all the way through and is true to itself consistently. I don't find fault in the game as a game, and other then the story pushing certain things in your face I found it to be very clever as well as fun.

It's a game that has a lot of merit.

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#40 Posted by RE_Player1 (7560 posts) -

@Kyreo said:

@RE_Player92 said:

I'm more of a Flower guy. Got Braid for $3 on a PS Plus sale and didn't think it was all that.

I surprised that you liked Flower but didn't like Braid. They seem to appeal to the same audiences.

I didn't hate Braid I just enjoyed Flower much more.

#41 Posted by Hot_Karl (3309 posts) -

I love Braid, it's probably one of my favorite downloadable games ever. Blew me away when I first played it. I'm still listening to the soundtrack on a daily basis (and I'd say it's one of the reasons why I got into more orchestral/"classical" music as of late). 

#42 Posted by haggis (1677 posts) -
@McGhee_the_Insomniac said:

@haggis said:

@McGhee_the_Insomniac said:

Every time I see someone throw out the word "pertensious" it seems they are just admitting that they have a hard time keeping up.

Or, you know, you could actually take people at their word for what they're saying, rather than making it all about you feeling better about yourself and your taste in games.

If what you said in reply to my joke really made any sense at all, I could reply in kind. But since it kind of doesn't I'll just say, lolwut?

I took your comment at face value, not as a comment about misspelling, that's all.
#43 Edited by Icemael (6326 posts) -

The environments were gorgeous, the music was beautiful and the time-warp systems were really cool. Figuring out exactly how the systems worked was fun, but the actual puzzles were for the most part lacking. The story was laughable (even more so than what's usually found in indie games).

Overall a good game, and probably the best Western indie title I've played (not that that's saying much). I wish Blow would make a sequel where the time systems were expanded and the puzzle design advanced, but hey, I guess that's just not indie.

#44 Posted by sionweeks (649 posts) -

I think it's great. The story was so apart that it never grabbed my attention, but maybe if I replay it someday I'll read it all. 
 
Other than that I think the puzzles are genius, and it took a long time to beat.

#45 Posted by Surkov (992 posts) -
@RE_Player92 said:

@Kyreo said:

@RE_Player92 said:

I'm more of a Flower guy. Got Braid for $3 on a PS Plus sale and didn't think it was all that.

I surprised that you liked Flower but didn't like Braid. They seem to appeal to the same audiences.

I didn't hate Braid I just enjoyed Flower much more.

I didn't enjoy Flower, but I loved Braid. The games are very different. 
#46 Posted by project343 (2828 posts) -

Goes into my list of favourite games of all time. Fantastic and innovative storytelling, and some of the best game design out there.

#47 Posted by Kyreo (4600 posts) -

@Surkov said:

@RE_Player92 said:

@Kyreo said:

@RE_Player92 said:

I'm more of a Flower guy. Got Braid for $3 on a PS Plus sale and didn't think it was all that.

I surprised that you liked Flower but didn't like Braid. They seem to appeal to the same audiences.

I didn't hate Braid I just enjoyed Flower much more.

I didn't enjoy Flower, but I loved Braid. The games are very different.

I enjoyed both, so you are both wrong.

#48 Posted by imsh_pl (3296 posts) -

It's a good game but it's so damn hard.
 
I mean, seriously.

#49 Posted by ajamafalous (12007 posts) -

@TeflonBilly said:

I really liked the Braid forum and all the threads about it

lol

I thought the game was fun to play but I thought the story stuff kinda sucked.

#50 Posted by Redbullet685 (6046 posts) -

Haven't played it.

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