Joystiq's Brink review under scrutiny

#1 Posted by ds8k (414 posts) -
#2 Posted by luce (4045 posts) -

Maybe he used another gamertag? Then again after that whole Nier thing, I stopped reading their reviews

#3 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5308 posts) -
@luce said:
" Maybe he used another gamertag? Then again after that whole Nier thing, I stopped reading their reviews "
What thing?
#4 Edited by PrivateIronTFU (3874 posts) -

I don't understand why this is a big deal. If a game is that shitty, you shouldn't have to play through the whole thing to know that the rest of it's gonna be just as shitty.


I guess people want to desperately want to cling on to this game like it's not a piece of crap, despite all the reviews suggesting otherwise.
#5 Posted by SMTDante89 (2599 posts) -
@SethPhotopoulos said:
" @luce said:
" Maybe he used another gamertag? Then again after that whole Nier thing, I stopped reading their reviews "
What thing? "
They couldn't get past a simple part of the game and so they basically got butthurt and put up a silly video.
#6 Posted by Animasta (14712 posts) -
@SMTDante89 said:
" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" @luce said:
" Maybe he used another gamertag? Then again after that whole Nier thing, I stopped reading their reviews "
What thing? "
They couldn't get past a simple part of the game and so they basically got butthurt and put up a silly video. "
it's stupider than it sounds, because if you don't succeed after a number of tries, you get the item you need; for free. so yeah fuck joystiq
#7 Edited by afrokola (547 posts) -

This is the same argument people used when Jeff reviewed Kane and Lynch, the guy probably played it on another tag or multiple tags.

#8 Edited by SMTDante89 (2599 posts) -
@Laketown said:

" @SMTDante89 said:

" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" @luce said:
" Maybe he used another gamertag? Then again after that whole Nier thing, I stopped reading their reviews "
What thing? "
They couldn't get past a simple part of the game and so they basically got butthurt and put up a silly video. "
it's stupider than it sounds, because if you don't succeed after a number of tries, you get the item you need; for free. so yeah fuck joystiq "
Found the "review" here.

EDIT:  He was fishing in the wrong spot too.
#9 Posted by carlthenimrod (1596 posts) -

He could have played through on another platform or on a debug build.

#10 Posted by chilibean_3 (1657 posts) -
@SethPhotopoulos:  The game was fucking terrible so they stopped playing it.
#11 Posted by buft (3320 posts) -

the review is pretty harsh compared to other sites and the disclosure notice mentions that they where unable to finish several missions. 12 hours played doesnt seem like a whole lot though.

#12 Posted by N7 (3595 posts) -
@Laketown said:
" @SMTDante89 said:
" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" @luce said:
" Maybe he used another gamertag? Then again after that whole Nier thing, I stopped reading their reviews "
What thing? "
They couldn't get past a simple part of the game and so they basically got butthurt and put up a silly video. "
it's stupider than it sounds, because if you don't succeed after a number of tries, you get the item you need; for free. so yeah fuck joystiq "
Yeah. I ended up renting the game, and after you fail like, three times, it just gives it to you for free.(Which, collectively failing three times takes a whole ten or so seconds).

Also, in the video it clearly said "HEY YOU, GO TO THIS SPOT TO CATCH THIS SPECIFIC FISH" and he was sitting across the map like "HER DER HOW CATCH FISH".
#13 Edited by EuanDewar (5032 posts) -

Correct me if i'm wrong but don't debug console builds of games not give achievements? This seems like that.

#14 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5308 posts) -
@SMTDante89 said:
" @Laketown said:
" @SMTDante89 said:
" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" @luce said:
" Maybe he used another gamertag? Then again after that whole Nier thing, I stopped reading their reviews "
What thing? "
They couldn't get past a simple part of the game and so they basically got butthurt and put up a silly video. "
it's stupider than it sounds, because if you don't succeed after a number of tries, you get the item you need; for free. so yeah fuck joystiq "
Found the "review" here. "
I didn't know that he was a reviewer.  i thought he gave bad advice to people on Yahoo answers.
#15 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

1UP had a lower score, why isn't anyone else on their ass?

#16 Edited by WinterSnowblind (7617 posts) -

Seems a little unfair to be jumping to conclusions like that, reviewers tend to have multiple gamertags for this sort of thing and debug/early builds that reviewers would have been sent out wouldn't have had achievements. 

Even if that's not the case, it's a multiplayer based FPS.  Putting in a good few hours in more than enough to get a good feel for the game.  It's not like he played half an RPG and stopped before some massive revelation, or before unlocking new abilities in an action game that make it a lot more fun.  

It's been getting mostly decent reviews, but fan reception has been quite negative.  I don't see what the problem is if this guy decided quite quickly he doesn't like the game.

#17 Posted by Chuggsy (554 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
" 1UP had a lower score, why isn't anyone else on their ass? "
6/10 is higher than 2/5.
#18 Posted by BabyChooChoo (4639 posts) -
@WinterSnowblind said:
" Seems a little unfair to be jumping to conclusions like that, reviewers tend to have multiple gamertags for this sort of thing.
Even if that's not the case, it's a multiplayer based FPS.  Putting in a good few hours in more than enough to get a good feel for the game.  It's not like he played half an RPG and stopped before some massive revelation.

It's been getting mostly decent reviews, but fan reception has been quite negative.  I don't see what the problem is if this guy decided quite quickly he doesn't like the game.
"
It's the internet. They give it a low score and suddenly the reviewer is incompetent. They give it a high score and suddenly they're a fanboy. It's a lose-lose situation. Some people will literally never be satisfied.
#19 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@Chuggsy said:
" @KaosAngel said:
" 1UP had a lower score, why isn't anyone else on their ass? "
6/10 is higher than 2/5. "
What?  A, B, C, D, F...D is a 2/5.
#20 Posted by DrPockets000 (2859 posts) -

Not that I care about Gamerscore, but I took note of the fact that the reviewer's score is smaller than mine and it made me wonder how many other games he doesn't finish playing.

#21 Posted by PrivateIronTFU (3874 posts) -
@Chuggsy said:
" @KaosAngel said:
" 1UP had a lower score, why isn't anyone else on their ass? "
6/10 is higher than 2/5. "
Well G4 had just as low of a score.
#22 Edited by MattyFTM (14417 posts) -

He probably played the majority of the game on a debug 360. A lot of really early review copies won't run on a retail 360 & thus he won't get achievements on his account for it. His time with the retail version would have just been to confirm that there aren't any differences between the version he played and the final retail version. People need to stop jumping to conclusions before he's had a chance to respond.

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#23 Posted by chilibean_3 (1657 posts) -
#24 Edited by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@chilibean_3 said:

" Here is Griffin responding.   http://twitter.com/#!/griffinmcelroy "

Can this guy even be taken seriously as a "journalist", he sounds more like a blogger and if this is the case then users on GB who have nice blogs like Sweep, VideoGameKing, and that Jeff guy who acts like he runs the place, should be getting review copies as they can write better and take gaming seriously.

EDIT:  That dude is QQing like a bitch.
#25 Posted by animathias (1190 posts) -
@DrPockets000 said:
" Not that I care about Gamerscore, but I took note of the fact that the reviewer's score is smaller than mine and it made me wonder how many other games he doesn't finish playing. "

Games running on a debug console don't give out Gamerscore. Also, I would be surprised if he had a private or office account that doesn't get completely barraged with messages and friend requests at all hours.

@Chuggsy said:

" @KaosAngel said:
" 1UP had a lower score, why isn't anyone else on their ass? "
6/10 is higher than 2/5. "
Metacritic translates 1up's "D" to a 25 and Joystiq's "2/5" to a 40.

#26 Posted by Soffish (139 posts) -

I think the McElroy brothers are pretty damn good at what they do, so I doubt that Griffin would half-ass a review. I really don't think Achievements are a good indicator of the amount of time someone has played a game.

#27 Edited by I_smell (3924 posts) -

This is the dumbest fucking thing to whine about. He's probably got like 3 seperate gamertags (Y'know, like GiantBomb has about 50?) and Brink clearly isn't a good game anyway, look at the Quick Look.

And the guys at Giantbomb are more bloggers than journalists. "Games journalism" is like 90% bloggers!
And Metacritic sucks dicks, I thought we all worked this out years ago.

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#28 Posted by PrivateIronTFU (3874 posts) -

http://www.joystiq.com/editor/griffin-mcelroy

He got the job because he earned it, it seems. So let's just all get over it.
#29 Posted by Hooded (435 posts) -
@BlastoTheSpectre said:
" I think the McElroy brothers are pretty damn good at what they do, so I doubt that Griffin would half-ass a review. I really don't think Achievements are a good indicator of the amount of time someone has played a game. "
I totally agree, I love the McElroy brothers and whilst I haven't read the review itself. I don't agree with the score. I've played over 3 hours of the game, and i'm very happy with it. For me on Joystiqs scale its a 4/5.
#30 Posted by iAmJohn (6128 posts) -

Voodoo Extremem is basically a troll site.  I'm amazed they didn't call this post "Brink Reviews: Why So Low?"

#31 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5308 posts) -

  

#32 Posted by Hooded (435 posts) -
@SethPhotopoulos said:

"   

"
Gotta admit, that goose is pretty hot
#33 Edited by PopBot (98 posts) -

Griffin shouldn't even be responding to this crap. It is such a waste of time for everyone involved. I think I have one good picture that sums up everything he needs to say to the internet:

DEAL WITH IT 










Also, MBMBaM is hilarious. And I respectfully disagree with Griffin's review.

Edit: GOOSE GET OVER HERE I'MA FUCK YOU
#34 Posted by N7 (3595 posts) -
@Hooded said:

" @SethPhotopoulos said:

"   

"
Gotta admit, that goose is pretty hot "
I'd fuck that goose.

I don't think there's a single human being who can watch that video and still hate the Justin or Griffin for anything anymore, or ever.
#35 Edited by cyraxible (693 posts) -

Really? Do we need to go internet detective on a guy that has not earned this kind of scrutiny and our only evidence is fucking achievements?


Edit: Even Jeff thinks it's ridiculous.
Oh, we're back to trying to discredit reviewers based on achievements? How very November 2007 of you.

   
#36 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -

Man, I love internet drama.

#37 Posted by Keenblaze (471 posts) -

I can't wait to see what happens when Jeff's review turns out to be 2/5.

#38 Posted by PopBot (98 posts) -
@Keenblaze: He gets fired from GiantBomb and goes to start up a new review site.
#39 Posted by StrikeALight (1114 posts) -

Ya'll been schooled by Jeff.

#40 Posted by blueduck (964 posts) -
@PrivateIronTFU said:
" I don't understand why this is a big deal. If a game is that shitty, you shouldn't have to play through the whole thing to know that the rest of it's gonna be just as shitty.

You don't really believe what you typed here do you?
#41 Posted by MEATBALL (3330 posts) -

Hey, internet. Maybe Brink just isn't that good.

#42 Posted by PrivateIronTFU (3874 posts) -
@blueduck said:
" @PrivateIronTFU said:
" I don't understand why this is a big deal. If a game is that shitty, you shouldn't have to play through the whole thing to know that the rest of it's gonna be just as shitty.

You don't really believe what you typed here do you? "
Yes I do.
#43 Posted by SethPhotopoulos (5308 posts) -
@PrivateIronTFU said:
" @blueduck said:
" @PrivateIronTFU said:
" I don't understand why this is a big deal. If a game is that shitty, you shouldn't have to play through the whole thing to know that the rest of it's gonna be just as shitty.

You don't really believe what you typed here do you? "
Yes I do. "
The Giantbomb crew said as much too.  If a game is so bad and torturous that you cannot get through it without pain thats enough to build a review on.
#44 Posted by Keenblaze (471 posts) -
@blueduck said:
" @PrivateIronTFU said:
" I don't understand why this is a big deal. If a game is that shitty, you shouldn't have to play through the whole thing to know that the rest of it's gonna be just as shitty.

You don't really believe what you typed here do you? "
It depends on the game, but Brink is a multiplayer shooter... I don't see how the core gameplay is really going to improve over time.
#45 Posted by benjaebe (2783 posts) -
@cyraxible said:
"
Edit: Even Jeff thinks it's ridiculous.
Oh, we're back to trying to discredit reviewers based on achievements? How very November 2007 of you. 
"
Couldn't sum it up better myself. So what if Joystiq gave it a 2/5, it's the guys opinion and honestly having played it with a friend a bit myself I'm not terribly impressed either.
#46 Posted by mfpantst (2574 posts) -
@MEATBALL said:
" Hey, internet. Maybe Brink just isn't that good. "
#47 Posted by HatKing (6025 posts) -
@SMTDante89 said:
"@Laketown said:

" @SMTDante89 said:

" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" @luce said:
" Maybe he used another gamertag? Then again after that whole Nier thing, I stopped reading their reviews "
What thing? "
They couldn't get past a simple part of the game and so they basically got butthurt and put up a silly video. "
it's stupider than it sounds, because if you don't succeed after a number of tries, you get the item you need; for free. so yeah fuck joystiq "
Found the "review" here.EDIT:  He was fishing in the wrong spot too. "


After the nth "literally" I had to turn the video off or I might have thrown my laptop through the window.

On topic though, this is ridiculous.  Brink doesn't seem that great, and the game has been making questionable appearances for a long time now; I don't see why this is so shocking.

#48 Posted by Nighttide (34 posts) -
If a game sucks, it sucks. I've never once started playing a game, decided it was horrible, and then continued to spend hours and hours completing it just to make sure

I'm not saying Brink sucks (haven't played it) and I'm not saying that professional reviewers shouldn't be held to higher standards than average gamers, but I don't see this as that big a deal. So basically:
   
@mfpantst said:

@MEATBALL said:

" Hey, internet. Maybe Brink just isn't that good. "

#49 Posted by TeflonBilly (4713 posts) -

I care neither here nor there about Brink, but being reminded about that Nier video makes me reiterate "FUCK JOYSTIQ AND I HOPE THAT DUDE GETS HIS THUMBS CUT OFF WITH GARDEN SHEARERS!"

#50 Posted by Fjordson (2449 posts) -
@MEATBALL said:
" Hey, internet. Maybe Brink just isn't that good. "
Yeah, seems like a lot of fuss over nothing. This just doesn't seem like a great game.

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