Say goodbye to quickscoping in Black Ops

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#1 Edited by SpaceInsomniac (3906 posts) -

  
When asked if quickscoping will be a part of Black Ops...
 
Josh Olin (Black Ops community manager):  "No. Quickscoping is a cheap way to play. We're specifically going to gimp quickscoping, sorry. Play straight-up!  Quickscoping is way more annoying to a way larger group of people than the quickscoping community who loves to do it.  When you first sight-in, your sights won't be perfectly center. You'll have to take a moment to adjust (like a real sniper).  No sniper rifles will be useful for quickscoping."
 
Some will not be happy about this, but I'm not one of them.  Yay!
 
Loads of quickscope fail:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-6N0d3vEZg
 
Hahaha!

#2 Posted by Slax (962 posts) -

Well from the leaked MP videos i've seen on Youtube, it seems as if quickscoping is still a very viable way to play.

#3 Posted by jayjonesjunior (1087 posts) -

good.

#4 Posted by Management (593 posts) -

Sadface

#5 Posted by JJOR64 (19065 posts) -
@jayjonesjunior said:
" good. "
#6 Posted by SpaceInsomniac (3906 posts) -
@Slax said:
" Well from the leaked MP videos i've seen on Youtube, it seems as if quickscoping is still a very viable way to play. "
My guess is that either they changed it after the beta (all leaked multiplayer videos currently online are from the beta), or it's just far less reliable now.  Watch the video I linked to.  Sometimes it works, and sometimes not.
#7 Posted by Slax (962 posts) -
@SpaceInsomniac: I'm pretty sure some of the videos were ones linked, though they were taken down. And they very well might have tweaked it after the footage was taken but this guy was running around what seemed to be a relatively small map quickscoping, and even pulled off a nice double kill. But it doens't really bother me either way. 
 I suppose we shall just wait and see,
#8 Posted by MrMuscle (448 posts) -

Im happy about this. I never use sniper rifles myself, but ive been taken out by them enough times to hate quickscoping.
#9 Posted by audiosnag (1582 posts) -

Good. A sniper rifle should be used like a sniper rifle.

#10 Edited by Binman88 (3690 posts) -

Now they need to massively increase weapon recoil and increase the spread of the reticules while you're moving - and lengthen the time it takes for them to settle once you slow down to take aim. (EDIT: I mean for all weapons, not just snipers)

#11 Posted by GoofyGoober (933 posts) -

Hmmm nice to see Treyarch listening to people. Although COD is a arcade type of shooter to me, the game shouldn't get too realistic.

#12 Posted by Pathos (202 posts) -

I'm not for quick-scoping (it's annoying) but seriously, in a game with regenerating health and RC car explosives, they're going on about realism? :P

#13 Posted by valrog (3648 posts) -
@JJOR64 said:
" @jayjonesjunior said:
" good. "
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#14 Posted by applet0n (654 posts) -
@jayjonesjunior said:
" good. "
#15 Edited by SpaceInsomniac (3906 posts) -
@Pathos said:

" I'm not for quick-scoping (it's annoying) but seriously, in a game with regenerating health and RC car explosives, they're going on about realism? :P "

Other than basically saying "you'll have to play like a real sniper," no one said that it was removed because of realism.  We're talking about a game where you can have a gun in each of your hands and still knife someone if they're next to you.  It wasn't removed because it lacked realism, it was removed because the developers didn't want it in their game.
 
Anyhow, if anyone cares to read the complete twitter post series where this was first revealed, here's the link: 
http://forums.digitalwarfare247.com/index.php?/topic/32870-askjd-session-2-recap/
#16 Posted by Kyreo (4602 posts) -

This is a bit of a bummer for me because I could enjoy a match or two of just quickscoping.  It's hard but rewarding so... I kinda feel like they're punishing an already difficult style of gameplay just because it annoys people. 

#17 Posted by DrPockets000 (2859 posts) -

excellent

#18 Posted by sodiumCyclops (2644 posts) -

Hearing more and more cool stuff about Black Ops everyday. Go Treyarch!

#19 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19388 posts) -
@Kyreo said:
" This is a bit of a bummer for me because I could enjoy a match or two of just quickscoping.  It's hard but rewarding so... I kinda feel like they're punishing an already difficult style of gameplay just because it annoys people.  "
Kind of like how they're making running around with a knife less effective just because of whiners, huh.  The community even considered the care package trick in MW2 a glitch just because it made people faster, even though you're not even holding a gun when you're using it.
#20 Posted by Jeffsekai (7052 posts) -

Oh, so COD might require a little bit of skill now? neat

#21 Edited by Management (593 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ said:

" @Kyreo said:

" This is a bit of a bummer for me because I could enjoy a match or two of just quickscoping.  It's hard but rewarding so... I kinda feel like they're punishing an already difficult style of gameplay just because it annoys people.  "
Kind of like how they're making running around with a knife less effective just because of whiners, huh.  The community even considered the care package trick in MW2 a glitch just because it made people faster, even though you're not even holding a gun when you're using it. "
I don't think you can compare using commando to teleport 20 feet forward and instant kill somebody with quickscoping. When you're quickscoping you actually have to do something and you only get one shot to do it because of the bolt action.
#22 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19388 posts) -
@Management: The only way you can really argue your point is via exaggeration.  When you used Commando, you really needed to be close to your enemy for the lunge to take effect, and even then the enemy needed to be right in front of you.  You still needed to run and reach your target in close proximity, without getting shot down, to get a kill.  While quick scoping, you have many shots you can take, even if the bolt action requires you to get in cover and try again afterwards.  While running to get a knife kill, you're often out in the open and if the person is paying attention to his surroundings, he'll be able to see you coming and kill you.  It's not as easy as people make it out to be, which is why almost nobody does it.
#23 Posted by zombie2011 (5048 posts) -
@Slax said:
" Well from the leaked MP videos i've seen on Youtube, it seems as if quickscoping is still a very viable way to play. "
Yeah from what i've seen Quick scoping looks easier.
#24 Posted by billnyethesciencepie (1336 posts) -

You mean people CANT USE A FUCKING SNIPER RIFLE LIKE A SHOTGUN NOW? 
Good 

#25 Posted by Management (593 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ: The knife and commando combination was the easiest way to get a nuke or high kill/death ratio. All you had to do was camp around a place with tight corners. If you missed with a quick scope you were basically dead because everyone else used smg/assault rifles or commando themselves and you can't be very far away when you quick scope. 
#26 Posted by gla55jAw (2696 posts) -

Real men No-Scope.

#27 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19388 posts) -
@Management: Perhaps, but I'm mostly talking about the "running around like a maniac" method.  That's the method that the care package trick complimented and that people looked down upon, just because it annoyed them when someone came up on them and stabbed them when they were camping.  I'll admit, I'm not too knowledgeable on how to quick scope effectively, but I think that both methods (quick scoping and running swiftly with a knife) are being gimped/removed because people generally whine when they get killed that way.
#28 Posted by Yanngc33 (4461 posts) -

quickscoping isn't a "cheap way to play" its a skill
#29 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (4779 posts) -
@Jeffsekai said:
" Oh, so COD might require a little bit of skill now? neat "
quick scoping didn't require skill? how often did you do it? and did you get to the top of the leader boards in MW2 doing it? no thought so.
Quick scoping while annoying still took quite a bit of practice and didn't work in every single scenario.
#30 Posted by Management (593 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ: I can agree with you on that, I'm just saying that quick scoping is generally harder than stabbing dudes in the face with commando. 
 
Doesn't sound like it though =)
#31 Edited by Jeffsekai (7052 posts) -
@WilliamRLBaker said:

" @Jeffsekai said:

" Oh, so COD might require a little bit of skill now? neat "
quick scoping didn't require skill? how often did you do it? and did you get to the top of the leader boards in MW2 doing it? no thought so. Quick scoping while annoying still took quite a bit of practice and didn't work in every single scenario. "
Quick scoping was exploiting a bug in the game. It's stupid easy to do, I know how to do it but when I played I never used it because I never needed too because I didn't suck dick. 
 
 
CoD is an easy ass game, when I played I was better than most.
#32 Posted by mano521 (1232 posts) -
@gla55jAw said:
" Real men No-Scope. "
^this 
 
im glad they realized they should make snipers play like snipers and not like shotguns
#33 Posted by Mystyr_E (1195 posts) -

that's why I love TF2
 
gonna be a sniper, better make your shots count or my Soldier's gonna rocket your ass

#34 Posted by Shadow (4988 posts) -

Not that I know what the hell this is, but anything to piss off snipers.

#35 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19388 posts) -
@Shadow said:
" Not that I know what the hell this is, but anything to piss off snipers. "
I'm not sure people who associate themselves as "snipers" were really into quick scoping, anyways.
#36 Posted by Alexander (1724 posts) -
@Jeffsekai said:
" @WilliamRLBaker said:

" @Jeffsekai said:

" Oh, so COD might require a little bit of skill now? neat "
quick scoping didn't require skill? how often did you do it? and did you get to the top of the leader boards in MW2 doing it? no thought so. Quick scoping while annoying still took quite a bit of practice and didn't work in every single scenario. "
Quick scoping was exploiting a bug in the game. It's stupid easy to do, I know how to do it but when I played I never used it because I never needed too because I didn't suck dick.   CoD is an easy ass game, when I played I was better than most. "
I've put in a good many hours, do pretty well and don't know how to quickscope. It takes practice and a degree of skill to be good at it, as is the case with quickscoping in Counter-Strike, only no one is silly enough to call it a bug in that instance (granted it's harder to do, all the same the poor players are the ones complaining in servers). People moan about this and dual shotguns, when really for the most part it's just the players that aren't so good looking for somewhere to place blame for their dismal play, and lack skill. The fact is that the people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game. As with most games, including Uno.
#37 Posted by Jeffsekai (7052 posts) -
@Alexander said:
" @Jeffsekai said:
" @WilliamRLBaker said:

" @Jeffsekai said:

" Oh, so COD might require a little bit of skill now? neat "
quick scoping didn't require skill? how often did you do it? and did you get to the top of the leader boards in MW2 doing it? no thought so. Quick scoping while annoying still took quite a bit of practice and didn't work in every single scenario. "
Quick scoping was exploiting a bug in the game. It's stupid easy to do, I know how to do it but when I played I never used it because I never needed too because I didn't suck dick.   CoD is an easy ass game, when I played I was better than most. "
I've put in a good many hours, do pretty well and don't know how to quickscope. It takes practice and a degree of skill to be good at it, as is the case with quickscoping in Counter-Strike, only no one is silly enough to call it a bug in that instance (granted it's harder to do, all the same the poor players are the ones complaining in servers). People moan about this and dual shotguns, when really for the most part it's just the players that aren't so good looking for somewhere to place blame for their dismal play, and lack skill. The fact is that the people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game. As with most games, including Uno. "
No, its literally a bug.
#38 Posted by Alexander (1724 posts) -
@Jeffsekai said:
" @Alexander said:
I've put in a good many hours, do pretty well and don't know how to quickscope. It takes practice and a degree of skill to be good at it, as is the case with quickscoping in Counter-Strike, only no one is silly enough to call it a bug in that instance (granted it's harder to do, all the same the poor players are the ones complaining in servers). People moan about this and dual shotguns, when really for the most part it's just the players that aren't so good looking for somewhere to place blame for their dismal play, and lack skill. The fact is that the people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game. As with most games, including Uno. "
No, its literally a bug. "
Link.
#39 Posted by withateethuh (726 posts) -
@Alexander said:
" @Jeffsekai said:
" @WilliamRLBaker said:

" @Jeffsekai said:

" Oh, so COD might require a little bit of skill now? neat "
quick scoping didn't require skill? how often did you do it? and did you get to the top of the leader boards in MW2 doing it? no thought so. Quick scoping while annoying still took quite a bit of practice and didn't work in every single scenario. "
Quick scoping was exploiting a bug in the game. It's stupid easy to do, I know how to do it but when I played I never used it because I never needed too because I didn't suck dick.   CoD is an easy ass game, when I played I was better than most. "
I've put in a good many hours, do pretty well and don't know how to quickscope. It takes practice and a degree of skill to be good at it, as is the case with quickscoping in Counter-Strike, only no one is silly enough to call it a bug in that instance (granted it's harder to do, all the same the poor players are the ones complaining in servers). People moan about this and dual shotguns, when really for the most part it's just the players that aren't so good looking for somewhere to place blame for their dismal play, and lack skill. The fact is that the people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game. As with most games, including Uno. "
So no one ever comes out on the top in any instance for gaming the system?
#40 Posted by SpaceInsomniac (3906 posts) -
@zombie2011 said:
" @Slax said:
" Well from the leaked MP videos i've seen on Youtube, it seems as if quickscoping is still a very viable way to play. "
Yeah from what i've seen Quick scoping looks easier. "
Again, though, all leaked MP videos are from the internal beta.  Either we've seen a montage or two of extremely lucky shots that have been taken from gameplay that would have otherwise featured dozens of unsuccessful attempts, or quickscoping works perfectly fine in the internal beta, but it will not work in the final version.  
 
Hell, even if the game DOES ship with a somewhat reliable quickscoping ability, there's nothing to say that Treyarch won't nerf it even more later on.  The developers have made it quite clear that they don't want it in their game, so I certainly wouldn't count on it being there.
#41 Posted by foggel (2764 posts) -

instagib gone!

#42 Posted by Alexander (1724 posts) -
@withateethuh said:

" @Alexander said:

I've put in a good many hours, do pretty well and don't know how to quickscope. It takes practice and a degree of skill to be good at it, as is the case with quickscoping in Counter-Strike, only no one is silly enough to call it a bug in that instance (granted it's harder to do, all the same the poor players are the ones complaining in servers). People moan about this and dual shotguns, when really for the most part it's just the players that aren't so good looking for somewhere to place blame for their dismal play, and lack skill. The fact is that the people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game. As with most games, including Uno. "
So no one ever comes out on the top in any instance for gaming the system? "
Yes people come out on top in instances where they cheat and so on. Let me rephrase even though I'd imagine you understood me perfectly the first time: 
 
change this:  
 The fact is that the people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game.     
 
to this:  
The fact is that the majority of people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game. 
 
m'kay?
#43 Posted by s7evn (1072 posts) -

Meh, not the biggest issue with CoD, in fact I liked the scoping of CoD4. Rather they should focus on grenade launchers and certain perks that break the game.

#44 Posted by Jeffsekai (7052 posts) -
@Alexander said:
" @Jeffsekai said:
" @Alexander said:
I've put in a good many hours, do pretty well and don't know how to quickscope. It takes practice and a degree of skill to be good at it, as is the case with quickscoping in Counter-Strike, only no one is silly enough to call it a bug in that instance (granted it's harder to do, all the same the poor players are the ones complaining in servers). People moan about this and dual shotguns, when really for the most part it's just the players that aren't so good looking for somewhere to place blame for their dismal play, and lack skill. The fact is that the people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game. As with most games, including Uno. "
No, its literally a bug. "
Link. "
What do you mean Link? Do you even know how quick scoping works? Its a bug you dont need a website to tell you that.  
 
It's common knowledge 
#45 Posted by Suicidal_SNiper (949 posts) -
@Jeffsekai said:
" @Alexander said:
" @Jeffsekai said:
" @Alexander said:
I've put in a good many hours, do pretty well and don't know how to quickscope. It takes practice and a degree of skill to be good at it, as is the case with quickscoping in Counter-Strike, only no one is silly enough to call it a bug in that instance (granted it's harder to do, all the same the poor players are the ones complaining in servers). People moan about this and dual shotguns, when really for the most part it's just the players that aren't so good looking for somewhere to place blame for their dismal play, and lack skill. The fact is that the people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game. As with most games, including Uno. "
No, its literally a bug. "
Link. "
What do you mean Link? Do you even know how quick scoping works? Its a bug you dont need a website to tell you that.   It's common knowledge  "
I wouldn't call it a bug so much as an overlooked part of the game.
#46 Posted by Jeffsekai (7052 posts) -
@Suicidal_SNiper said:
" @Jeffsekai said:
" @Alexander said:
" @Jeffsekai said:
" @Alexander said:
I've put in a good many hours, do pretty well and don't know how to quickscope. It takes practice and a degree of skill to be good at it, as is the case with quickscoping in Counter-Strike, only no one is silly enough to call it a bug in that instance (granted it's harder to do, all the same the poor players are the ones complaining in servers). People moan about this and dual shotguns, when really for the most part it's just the players that aren't so good looking for somewhere to place blame for their dismal play, and lack skill. The fact is that the people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game. As with most games, including Uno. "
No, its literally a bug. "
Link. "
What do you mean Link? Do you even know how quick scoping works? Its a bug you dont need a website to tell you that.   It's common knowledge  "
I wouldn't call it a bug so much as an overlooked part of the game. "
At the very least its an exploit.
#47 Posted by DoctorWelch (2765 posts) -

FUCK YES. I am glade they are taking that stupid shit out. It's stupid things like quickscoping that make COD a game that you cant play seriously or in a competitive manor. I will say I am still not going to get this game because I am sick of the whole COD formula, but even so I'd like this change if I were to get it.

#48 Posted by Lemoncookie01 (1642 posts) -

WOOOOOOOO Black Ops keeps looking better and better.

#49 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -
@s7evn said:
" Meh, not the biggest issue with CoD, in fact I liked the scoping of CoD4. Rather they should focus on grenade launchers and certain perks that break the game. "
They did focus on other things... Just because they removed quick scoping doesn't automatically mean they aren't focusing on anything else =/
#50 Edited by RsistncE (4496 posts) -
@Yanngc33:  @WilliamRLBaker: Yeah, a "skill" that exploits the use of auto-aim assist + SoH. It's bullshit and you know it. That's why I don't play on the console. Auto-aim assist is a handicap modifier for consoles basically and where there's douches there will be exploiters. You wanna play with skill? Play with out auto-aim assist. 
 
@Alexander said:

" @Jeffsekai said:

" @Alexander said:
I've put in a good many hours, do pretty well and don't know how to quickscope. It takes practice and a degree of skill to be good at it, as is the case with quickscoping in Counter-Strike, only no one is silly enough to call it a bug in that instance (granted it's harder to do, all the same the poor players are the ones complaining in servers). People moan about this and dual shotguns, when really for the most part it's just the players that aren't so good looking for somewhere to place blame for their dismal play, and lack skill. The fact is that the people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game. As with most games, including Uno. "
No, its literally a bug. "
Link. "
By using SoH there's a small frame between when you're scoping in and fully scoped that your reticule is centred perfectly on the other player due to auto-aim assist. Take the shot and it kills them obviously at that range. It's a bullshit exploit/bug and the only people who don't want to admit it are the ones that need it to get good scores in the game. 
 
@s7evn: There are actually quite a few other changes they're making to the game outside of this. For example killstreaks no longer stack (as a result the highest killstreak is now 11), and I BELIEVE (don't quote me) that noob tubes as attachments have been completely removed and instead the only grenade launches are secondary weapons a la the thumper from MW2. They've also gimped "dolphin diving" or "drop shotting" so that there is a movement penalty if you try it. There's tonnes of other changes too but those are some minor ones.

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