" I'm not for quick-scoping (it's annoying) but seriously, in a game with regenerating health and RC car explosives, they're going on about realism? :P "

Call of Duty: Black Op's sounds and looks to shaping up to what Modern Warfare 2 should have been. Treyarch has become a much better developer studio when they emerged with Grey Matter. I highly anticipate Black Ops, as it's shaping up to return the series to it's former glory. Despite what Infinity Wards fanboys say, I thought World at Wars was terrific. 
 
World at War > Modern Warfare 

" @Alexander said:

" @Jeffsekai said:

" @Alexander said:

I've put in a good many hours, do pretty well and don't know how to quickscope. It takes practice and a degree of skill to be good at it, as is the case with quickscoping in Counter-Strike, only no one is silly enough to call it a bug in that instance (granted it's harder to do, all the same the poor players are the ones complaining in servers). People moan about this and dual shotguns, when really for the most part it's just the players that aren't so good looking for somewhere to place blame for their dismal play, and lack skill. The fact is that the people who consistently come out on top are the ones who are more skilful at the game. As with most games, including Uno. "

No, its literally a bug. "

Link. "

What do you mean Link? Do you even know how quick scoping works? Its a bug you dont need a website to tell you that.   It's common knowledge  "

@RsistncE they do stack as in you can have more than one up, what they changed is that kill from a kill streak don't count to your next one like how the kill streaks you get from the drop creates in MW2 don't 

this is good news indeed. 

and I BELIEVE (don't quote me) that noob tubes as attachments have been completely removed and instead the only grenade launches are secondary weapons a la the thumper from MW2.

" @RsistncE said:

and I BELIEVE (don't quote me) that noob tubes as attachments have been completely removed and instead the only grenade launches are secondary weapons a la the thumper from MW2.

I know you said don't quote you, but I did it anyway. :P    Seriously, I just wanted to set the record straight.  There is still a grenade launcher attachment, but it's the most expensive attachment, scavenger no longer refills your grenade launcher, there's no such perk as danger close anymore, and grenade launchers won't be useable until a minute or so into each match.  That part was done so you don't get people who learn fire on an objective, from the other side of the map, as soon as the game begins and everyone is gathered around trying to capture the closest objective.  Without removing it entirely, they've pretty much taken every step that they could to make sure it's no longer a giant pain in the ass. "

What are people talking about, I think quick scoping is way harder to pull off then a normal scope kill. Unless were not talking about the same thing..

Good, still not going to play this but it's to good see that they are trying to make people use actual skill.

 So, they removed it because it annoys a small segment of people? Presumably people who suck at the game and will only play until the next online FPS releases. I only used quick-scoping a couple times, during that time I died a lot and didn't get many kills. But there are people who can tear shit up with Marathon, Lightweight and a Intervention. Good for them. It's an extremely difficult play style. But it can be very powerful in the right hands. It's a legitimate way to play the game. COD online is all about building your own strategies, removing legit strategies is the antithesis of game design philosophy Infinity Ward and to a certain degree, Treyarch has been following since MW. Fuck the people whining about it; they clearly suck at the game and will bitch and moan about everything.        
 
 
@Afroman269 said:

" Good, still not going to play this but it's to good see that they are trying to make people use actual skill. "

"  So, they removed it because it annoys a small segment of people?

" It's a legitimate way to play the game."

@Potter9156

" Fuck the people whining about it; they clearly suck at the game and will bitch and moan about everything.

" @jayjonesjunior said:

" good. "

"

Watching a live stream of two kids playing a copy of the most recent beta (they claim), and according to them the "quick scoping" is still possible, unless you have some perk which disables it. Sigh. Also, Tactical Insertion is still in there, and apparently you can't "drop-shot" anymore? Due to not being able to fire and go prone at the same time. Blah. Kids.
 
Anyways, that quote sounds like something the community manager for a developer would say on a message board :/
 
Edit: OH! It was the community manager who said that. Jee whiz.

" Real men No-Scope. "

Hope this is true. Would be great.

It's cool, but I never got straight up murdered by quickscopers... only been killed by them every now and then, and when I am in a match with them they're not all that tough to take down.

"It's an extremely difficult play style. But it can be very powerful in the right hands. It's a legitimate way to play the game.

I hope they take out the ninja play style(running around and knifing) it was extremely annoying in MW2. 

Good!

Bah, another reason i won't pick up this game. If i can't use my sniper rifle as a shotgun i'm not playing!

They have now lost me on that game. You can't scope in when you're in a pinch now so if someone is just waiting and sitting there with his sights up and you walk around the corner, you have no way to actually aim at him accurately and he wins for camping. If this game goes on for 10 bucks I'll buy it but that's about it. That or if I get it for free, which is likely. Someone always gives me a game for Christmas.

Oh fuck yes! I hate people saying "Y0u'r3 H4rDsc0p1ng!!!! u Fa1L!"  
 
LOL they call it hardscoping because it's too hard for them.

I'm wondering when will the too much realism become frustrating. It won't be very far.

"They have now lost me on that game. You can't scope in when you're in a pinch now so if someone is just waiting and sitting there with his sights up and you walk around the corner, you have no way to actually aim at him accurately and he wins for camping.

" I'm wondering when will the too much realism become frustrating. It won't be very far. "

Well shit, there goes my way to play.

They  will still be able to snipe this fast if not faster. I guarantee it.  

 
When people find an exploit that pretty much removes nearly any downsides to a single game tactic--in this case, quickscoping--that's something that the game developers need to seriously consider.  If the most powerful long-range weapon in your game can skillfully be used just as effectively as a close-range weapon, you have a weapons balance issue.
  
And yes, unlike many here, I'll admit that quickscoping is a skillful tactic that takes a lot of practice.   For anyone who doesn't think so, you should try an intervention / slight of hand pro / stopping power / steady aim build for a day and see if you can even somewhat rarely pull off anything this impressive: 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EJf8jB2Ulc  The problem comes in where if you have a highly skilled sniper quickscoping against someone using any other gun, the sniper is going to get the kill nearly every time.  I round a corner, I see a sniper, and I have no chance of winning the fight unless he misses.  As you said, it's an extremely difficult play style, but it can be very powerful in the right hands.  Some players (and obviously the developers) felt it was a little too powerful, and I personally agree with them. "

" Oh, so COD might require a little bit of skill now? neat "

" @Jeffsekai said:

" Oh, so COD might require a little bit of skill now? neat "

Removing quick scoping takes out an aspect of skill.  "

This is good, because quickscoping in MW2 got a hell lot more easier with the lack of scope sway and Sleight of Hand Pro. Quickscopers shouldn't really care anyways, it just makes it more challenging and rewarding to pull it off. 
 
I personally love quickscope/noscope because its hilariously fun.

I love it.

Glad to see it gone.  I consider it an exploit (Skilled?  Yes.  But still an exploit.) but I know that I will never be able to change the minds of it's adherents.  Chastising them can result in some entertainingly absurd complaints of my own loadout but in the end I just play more hardcore matches, a mode that greatly diminishes the prevalence of everything I find cheap about that game and reminds me of everything I love. 

Whatever, guys. You don't wanna listen, that's your own choice. But don't say I didn't warn you :)

" @Pathos said:

" I'm not for quick-scoping (it's annoying) but seriously, in a game with regenerating health and RC car explosives, they're going on about realism? :P "

Other than basically saying "you'll have to play like a real sniper," no one said that it was removed because of realism.  We're talking about a game where you can have a gun in each of your hands and still knife someone if they're next to you.  It wasn't removed because it lacked realism, it was removed because the developers didn't want it in their game.
 
Anyhow, if anyone cares to read the complete twitter post series where this was first revealed, here's the link: 
http://forums.digitalwarfare247.com/index.php?/topic/32870-askjd-session-2-recap/ "

Great news. Black Ops is shaping up to be a superb game. 
It may redeem Modern Warfare 2 and it's many failings.

" They  will still be able to snipe this fast if not faster. I guarantee it.  

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