Do You Think all the Hacking Will be Fixed in MW3?

#1 Edited by Intro (1205 posts) -

I'm talking about on consoles. It seems like every single CoD game, there is a huge amount of hacking and/or modding. You'll get in games and rank up to the last rank for shooting one guy, get demoted, have unlimited ammo and things like that. Just the other day I was playing CoD4 with a friend and there were messages coming up constantly on the side saying, "Hacked by 'guys gamertag' go to somethingmodz.com!"  
 
If you still play that game every once in awhile on consoles, you know what I'm talking about. Then we go into another match and everyone has super speed. Stuff like this still happens occasionally in MW2 and Black Ops. It doesn't really bother me, but it's getting ridiculous when this happens every year. It's not like people asking for much. It's mostly a reskinned multiplayer and a 6 hour campaign. If that's what people like and how the companies make their cash, then fine. At least fix it up a little bit. I find it hard to believe they can't get/hire a team to fix these issues. 
 
I honestly don't believe the security in MW3 will be much better, at all. I'm wondering about other people's opinions though, do you guys think there will be less or no hacking/mods in MW3? 
 
Also, MW2, it came to the point where they told people to stop playing online because the hacking could mess up your account. I remember reading on the forums, Robert Bowling posted that people should try playing customs with their friends until the hacking was fixed.

#2 Posted by phish09 (1109 posts) -

I don't think "hacking" will ever totally be fixed in any online game or online service.  So long as there are immature kids with access to computers and the internet, there will be hackers.

#3 Posted by Intro (1205 posts) -
@phish09 said:
I don't think "hacking" will ever totally be fixed in any online game or online service.  So long as there are immature kids with access to computers and the internet, there will be hackers.
True, but it seems to happen a lot less in other online games.
#4 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Intro said:
@phish09 said:
I don't think "hacking" will ever totally be fixed in any online game or online service.  So long as there are immature kids with access to computers and the internet, there will be hackers.
True, but it seems to happen a lot less in other online games.  
Cause lots more people play the COD games. 
#5 Posted by phish09 (1109 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
@Intro said:
@phish09 said:
I don't think "hacking" will ever totally be fixed in any online game or online service.  So long as there are immature kids with access to computers and the internet, there will be hackers.
True, but it seems to happen a lot less in other online games.  
Cause lots more people play the COD games. 
Exactly. 
#6 Posted by Intro (1205 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
@Intro said:
@phish09 said:
I don't think "hacking" will ever totally be fixed in any online game or online service.  So long as there are immature kids with access to computers and the internet, there will be hackers.
True, but it seems to happen a lot less in other online games.  
Cause lots more people play the COD games. 
I don't think that's the main reason. I think it's because it's so easy. CoD is a game where kids can go and Youtube how to do this within 15 minutes. Other games aren't that easy, if they were, they'd be hacked a lot too.
#7 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Intro said:
@The_Laughing_Man said:
@Intro said:
@phish09 said:
I don't think "hacking" will ever totally be fixed in any online game or online service.  So long as there are immature kids with access to computers and the internet, there will be hackers.
True, but it seems to happen a lot less in other online games.  
Cause lots more people play the COD games. 
I don't think that's the main reason. I think it's because it's so easy. CoD is a game where kids can go and Youtube how to do this within 15 minutes. Other games aren't that easy, if they were, they'd be hacked a lot too.
Yes....yes it is. 
 
The guys even said with the COD games" WHen you have this many people beating on it. Its bound to break"  
 
Its because lots of people play it and lots of people wanna look lke they are better on it. So yes..its hacked more because more people play it. 
#8 Posted by MideonNViscera (2257 posts) -

It won't be any different. 

#9 Posted by Zidd (1836 posts) -

Nope. People have been hacking games to cheat since games have existed.

#10 Posted by alternate (2679 posts) -
@The_Laughing_Man said:
@Intro said:
@The_Laughing_Man said:
@Intro said:
@phish09 said:
I don't think "hacking" will ever totally be fixed in any online game or online service.  So long as there are immature kids with access to computers and the internet, there will be hackers.
True, but it seems to happen a lot less in other online games.  
Cause lots more people play the COD games. 
I don't think that's the main reason. I think it's because it's so easy. CoD is a game where kids can go and Youtube how to do this within 15 minutes. Other games aren't that easy, if they were, they'd be hacked a lot too.
Yes....yes it is.  The guys even said with the COD games" WHen you have this many people beating on it. Its bound to break"   Its because lots of people play it and lots of people wanna look lke they are better on it. So yes..its hacked more because more people play it. 
It is like viruses.  The reason there are very few on Mac isn't because Apple have a super secure platform or that writing for Mac is much harder - it is because lots more ppl have a PC.
#11 Edited by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@alternate said:

@The_Laughing_Man said:

@Intro said:
@The_Laughing_Man said:
@Intro said:
@phish09 said:
I don't think "hacking" will ever totally be fixed in any online game or online service.  So long as there are immature kids with access to computers and the internet, there will be hackers.
True, but it seems to happen a lot less in other online games.  
Cause lots more people play the COD games. 
I don't think that's the main reason. I think it's because it's so easy. CoD is a game where kids can go and Youtube how to do this within 15 minutes. Other games aren't that easy, if they were, they'd be hacked a lot too.
Yes....yes it is.  The guys even said with the COD games" WHen you have this many people beating on it. Its bound to break"   Its because lots of people play it and lots of people wanna look lke they are better on it. So yes..its hacked more because more people play it. 
It is like viruses.  The reason there are very few on Mac isn't because Apple have a super secure platform or that writing for Mac is much harder - it is because lots more ppl have a PC.
Bingo. The more or something there is the more people will use it. And the chances of those people being the ones to hack it is higher.  
 
Does not matter if its easy to hack. They will still do it. 
#12 Posted by Subjugation (4716 posts) -

As long as there are games people will hack them. Fact.

#13 Posted by Intro (1205 posts) -

How about when games like Gears of War 1 was in the top 3 most played game on XBL? It was never hacked. Gears 2 was top 5 at one point, it was hacked once and fixed within a month, not getting hacked again. The hack that hit Gears 2 wasn't even possible to do when the game launched, it was a security flaw happened in an update. (I know with my avatar, I'm speaking like a fanboy, but those are just two examples that come to mind. I will admit that game has a huge flaws when it comes to online, but it doesn't get hacked.) 
 
I can agree that more people = more cheating is true to some degree, but I think the hacking is mostly due to Infinity Ward's and Treyarch's fault.

#14 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19305 posts) -
@Intro: I'm pretty sure there were at least two times the number of people who played Modern Warfare 2 than there were those who played Gears of War 2.
#15 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Intro said:
How about when games like Gears of War 1 was in the top 3 most played game on XBL? It was never hacked. Gears 2 was top 5 at one point, it was hacked once and fixed within a month, not getting hacked again. The hack that hit Gears 2 wasn't even possible to do when the game launched, it was a security flaw happened in an update. (I know with my avatar, I'm speaking like a fanboy, but those are just two examples that come to mind. I will admit that game has a huge flaws when it comes to online, but it doesn't get hacked.)  I can agree that more people = more cheating is true to some degree, but I think the hacking is mostly due to Infinity Ward's and Treyarch's fault.
Because MS is very into banning people for hacking. And blame falls on devs. The COD devs never really tired hard to fix this stuff. But again main reason is these games are played the most 
#16 Posted by Intro (1205 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ said:
@Intro: I'm pretty sure there were at least two times the number of people who played Modern Warfare 2 than there were those who played Gears of War 2.
Yes, but my point is that there are games that are not hackable due to a simple USB mod/flash/jtag. Those games hardly ever get hacked, if at all. Sure there are other ways to hack them, but it's much harder and makes hacking happen a lot less.  
 
I'm trying to say that I hope Infinity Ward improves their security when it comes to these easy USB mods, etc. There will be a lot less hacking if they do so.
#17 Posted by RandomInternetUser (6789 posts) -

I just wish the PC version would have dedicated servers, and that would fix it for PC.  I almost never saw hacking on CoD4 pc, and when there was hacking server admins would ban them instantly.  I see it often-ish (not as much anymore though, seems a lot of them moved on to Black Ops I guess) in MW2 though.
 
Does suck for the console crowd, I played MW2 on Xbox 360 quite a bit as well as some on PS3 and the hacking sucked.

#18 Posted by Redbullet685 (6020 posts) -

No. The CoD games will always get hacked to shit.

#19 Posted by zudthespud (3281 posts) -

No, there is no motivation as they will still sell gajillions.

#20 Posted by Solemn (278 posts) -

Activision doesn't give a damn about hacking so I expect this issue won't be fixed in November.

#21 Posted by Harbinger_Of_Hippos (224 posts) -

The main reason that people hack on CoD4 and MW2 and WaW is because they're old and not many people play them anymore. They don't get security updates and such, and when the new CoD comes out each year the previous one is effectively dead. But no, I kinda doubt that MW3 fill fare any better on the security front after the next CoD comes out. Bowling has said that their post-launch support for it will be better than MW2 though, although I don't think he's mentioned anything about security stuff after the game dies.

#22 Edited by captaincool246 (29 posts) -

if we're lucky and i mean REALLY lucky then yea it's possible! however considering infinity wards history with bugs in MW2 and the COD series in general i think it will depend on how much they actually pay attention to it and i think it will also depend on how well its beta tested if its anything like MW2 or black ops was in terms of testing?....we're screwed 

#23 Posted by 234r2we232 (3181 posts) -
@captaincool246 said:
if we're lucky and i mean REALLY lucky then yea it's possible! however considering infinity wards history with bugs in MW2 and the COD series in general i think it will depend on how much they actually pay attention to it and i think it will also depend on how well its beta tested if its anything like MW2 or black ops was in terms of testing?....we're screwed 
It is near impossible to keep a game that is as popular and competitive like Call of Duty from being modded/exploited. These games are released fairly tight and go through quite a bit of multiplayer testing - probably more so than your average game - but there's no way you can prepare anything for millions of people banging on your code like they do with these. 
 
Not that I don't think the people that do cheat in these games are dirtbags, but those people who enjoy blaming the developers because it's cool to hate the popular stuff need to stop. There's only so much they can do when you're up against millions and millions of people who want the easiest win possible.
#24 Posted by Jadeskye (4366 posts) -

@Intro: *looks at title*

AAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

You so funny.

#25 Posted by l4wd0g (1892 posts) -

Microsoft seems to the only proactive company that targets hackers and bans their consoles.

#26 Posted by Kandycane2029 (511 posts) -
@Solemn said:
Activision doesn't give a damn about hacking so I expect this issue won't be fixed in November.
Why bother invest some of that money back into the user experience when you could be lining your own pocket? 
 
Not to say I would, but that's classic Activision logic.
#27 Posted by TheSpartanDon (158 posts) -

You can't just 'fix' hacking.

#28 Posted by left4doof (286 posts) -

I think the problem stems from a lack of enforcement on activsions part . Especially  on consoles .

#29 Posted by Stonyman65 (2570 posts) -

Hackers will always find a way. It sucks, but that's how it works.

#30 Posted by valrog (3671 posts) -

I'm going to have to go ahead and say no.

#31 Posted by lazyb (52 posts) -

Cod is a huge target because of the numbers playing it. Hacking will continue to be a issue if they ignore the problem like the past titles. Hopefully part of Beachhead's job is to try an stay ahead of hacks.

#32 Posted by OneManX (1676 posts) -

Black Ops got patched fairly quick and from what I've played recently , there doesnt seem to be any game breaking exploits.

MW2 went to hell because that game was pretty dead int he water like 3 months after it came out due to the massive fallout from the West/Zampella stuff.

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