Thoughts on the MW3 Reveal

Posted by Shaka999 (500 posts) -

Right off the bat, I should warn you that there's probably going to be nothing unique about my opinion of the trailer. I've never really been a huge fan of CoD. It's not the worst franchise in the world, but it's certainly not the best.  The only real grudge I have against anything CoD is Bobby Kotick. Dude's a prick. Anyway...


I really don't see what was so great about the trailer. Activision did the same thing for the MW3 reveal trailer that they did for Blops & MW2 (links provided at the end). Here's a run down of all 3 trailers:

-Explosions
-Fast Cuts
-Scripted Events
-AI performing various actions
-Some dramatic voice guy talking about some aspect of war
-More explosions

If you like CoD and you want more of the same, then that's fine with me. But if you like CoD and you're expecting something new (whether it's an interesting game mechanic or a drastic change to the engine), I really don't see how you can be excited. There wasn't a huge difference between MW2 and Blops, this reveal trailer should say the same.

I know that's a lot to say off of a reveal trailer and there could be info at E3 that proves me completely wrong, but based on that and previous reveal trailers, I don't feel like I have any reason to get excited about the game. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise.

MW2 Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIJTydRLt8
Blops Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtRnpC7ddv8
MW3 Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coiTJbr9m04
#1 Posted by Shaka999 (500 posts) -

Right off the bat, I should warn you that there's probably going to be nothing unique about my opinion of the trailer. I've never really been a huge fan of CoD. It's not the worst franchise in the world, but it's certainly not the best.  The only real grudge I have against anything CoD is Bobby Kotick. Dude's a prick. Anyway...


I really don't see what was so great about the trailer. Activision did the same thing for the MW3 reveal trailer that they did for Blops & MW2 (links provided at the end). Here's a run down of all 3 trailers:

-Explosions
-Fast Cuts
-Scripted Events
-AI performing various actions
-Some dramatic voice guy talking about some aspect of war
-More explosions

If you like CoD and you want more of the same, then that's fine with me. But if you like CoD and you're expecting something new (whether it's an interesting game mechanic or a drastic change to the engine), I really don't see how you can be excited. There wasn't a huge difference between MW2 and Blops, this reveal trailer should say the same.

I know that's a lot to say off of a reveal trailer and there could be info at E3 that proves me completely wrong, but based on that and previous reveal trailers, I don't feel like I have any reason to get excited about the game. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise.

MW2 Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIJTydRLt8
Blops Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtRnpC7ddv8
MW3 Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coiTJbr9m04
#2 Posted by valrog (3648 posts) -

Are they using a new engine for this? Anyway, I'll just wait and see how it turns out.

#3 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13629 posts) -
@Shaka999 said:
Right off the bat, I should warn you that there's probably going to be nothing unique about my opinion of the trailer. I've never really been a huge fan of CoD. It's not the worst franchise in the world, but it's certainly not the best.  The only real grudge I have against anything CoD is Bobby Kotick. Dude's a prick. Anyway...

I really don't see what was so great about the trailer. Activision did the same thing for the MW3 reveal trailer that they did for Blops & MW2 (links provided at the end). Here's a run down of all 3 trailers:

-Explosions
-Fast Cuts
-Scripted Events
-AI performing various actions
-Some dramatic voice guy talking about some aspect of war
-More explosions

If you like CoD and you want more of the same, then that's fine with me. But if you like CoD and you're expecting something new (whether it's an interesting game mechanic or a drastic change to the engine), I really don't see how you can be excited. There wasn't a huge difference between MW2 and Blops, this reveal trailer should say the same.

I know that's a lot to say off of a reveal trailer and there could be info at E3 that proves me completely wrong, but based on that and previous reveal trailers, I don't feel like I have any reason to get excited about the game. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise.

MW2 Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIJTydRLt8
Blops Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtRnpC7ddv8
MW3 Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coiTJbr9m04
You do know most trailers are like this. 
#4 Posted by BraveToaster (12588 posts) -

I don't think you can jump the gun and conclude that a sequel won't bring anything new to the series just by watching a reveal trailer.

#5 Posted by Shaka999 (500 posts) -
@Axxol: I know, which is why I tried to throw in the disclaimer at the end (probably should've been more clear)
#6 Edited by Twisted_Scot (1180 posts) -

Id rather see fast cuts of things blowing up and crashing than watching the scenes where your character falls and is helped up by the AI time and time again. Its what sells an action game. The same reason that people will go and see a Transformers movie because the trailer is 2 mins of stuff blowing up and robots fighting rather than 2 mins of Shitty le beouf running around crying :)
Im still looking forward to this game, its not going to be groundbreaking or original i'm guessing but considering its a mishmash stich-up of different Devs working on it after the whole Infinity ward deal going sour, its looking OK. Will probably pick it up.

#7 Posted by BraveToaster (12588 posts) -
@Shaka999 said:
@Axxol: I know, which is why I tried to throw in the disclaimer at the end (probably should've been more clear)
You're aware of that, yet you still go through with posting this without conducting any research, except for watching 3 trailers. I just think that we should wait for more information to be released before we make blind conclusions. This goes for all games, not just COD.
#8 Posted by Sayishere (1840 posts) -
@Shaka999 said:
Right off the bat, I should warn you that there's probably going to be nothing unique about my opinion of the trailer. I've never really been a huge fan of CoD. It's not the worst franchise in the world, but it's certainly not the best.  The only real grudge I have against anything CoD is Bobby Kotick. Dude's a prick. Anyway...

I really don't see what was so great about the trailer. Activision did the same thing for the MW3 reveal trailer that they did for Blops & MW2 (links provided at the end). Here's a run down of all 3 trailers:

-Explosions
-Fast Cuts
-Scripted Events
-AI performing various actions
-Some dramatic voice guy talking about some aspect of war
-More explosions

If you like CoD and you want more of the same, then that's fine with me. But if you like CoD and you're expecting something new (whether it's an interesting game mechanic or a drastic change to the engine), I really don't see how you can be excited. There wasn't a huge difference between MW2 and Blops, this reveal trailer should say the same.

I know that's a lot to say off of a reveal trailer and there could be info at E3 that proves me completely wrong, but based on that and previous reveal trailers, I don't feel like I have any reason to get excited about the game. Feel free to try and convince me otherwise.

MW2 Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIJTydRLt8
Blops Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtRnpC7ddv8
MW3 Reveal:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coiTJbr9m04
I mean you say there wasn't much difference from MW2 from the first, but even small things are quite drastic in terms of Call of Duty. Customizable Kill streaks for example is something that seems very minor, but it changes the on line experience drastically

Call of duty in my eyes isn't the greatest series but its game play mechanics are just so addictive and hits the nail on the head. Changing the series is literally not needed, but also somewhat of a necessity with all the competition surrounding it i.e. Battlefield 3.

I would love to see changes, even if its small, anything at all would warrant a sequel, BUT, i really hope its not just a cash in gone wrong.... I hope.
#9 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18954 posts) -
@valrog said:
Are they using a new engine for this?
Ofcourse not. Modern Warfare 3 is a rushed and rehashed project that three different studios joined efforts to finish in time.. the development teams of Call of Duty games consist of art specialists and level designers, they barely have any programmers and all they do is tweak that tired engine once a year..
a new Call of Duty equals new character models, new art (colors and drawings turn into in-game scenery), maybe some new guns, and new interface tweaks/customization items... it's like they've been updating Call of Duty 4 for 4 years. those games are technologically static



@Axxol said:
I don't think you can jump the gun and conclude that a sequel won't bring anything new to the series just by watching a reveal trailer.
I beg to differ! you can jump that gun hard when this is the fifth annual installment in a series that hasn't brought anything new other than new multiplayer perks and kinks for the past few years. That is what people call a pattern
#10 Posted by shinigami420 (640 posts) -

 Looks like shit 


BF3 looks miles ahead 
#11 Posted by ShaggE (6712 posts) -

My interest is mainly in whether they manage to make the story even more batshit insane this time around. I demand more Burger Town! 

#12 Posted by JasonR86 (9728 posts) -

It looks fine.  It looks like every other Call of Duty game since 4 (with the exception of World at War).

#13 Posted by Franstone (1156 posts) -

I doubt there is any chance of it having a new engine.
Maybe they modified some parts of it. (after seeing the trailer it looks pretty much the same, just new environments.)
Activision wilk milk that engine as long as possible, costs time and money to build a new engine. 
Activision no likey when it costs time and money... 
: )

#14 Posted by Shaka999 (500 posts) -
@Axxol said:

@Shaka999 said:

@Axxol: I know, which is why I tried to throw in the disclaimer at the end (probably should've been more clear)
You're aware of that, yet you still go through with posting this without conducting any research, except for watching 3 trailers. I just think that we should wait for more information to be released before we make blind conclusions. This goes for all games, not just COD.
From Ahmad_Metallic: "I beg to differ! you can jump that gun hard when this is the fifth annual installment in a series that hasn't brought anything new other than new multiplayer perks and kinks for the past few years. That is what people call a pattern  ."

^^^Pretty much that. The pattern is there for the game to be the same; I'm not going to get excited unless they pull something crazy out at E3.
#15 Edited by BraveToaster (12588 posts) -
@Shaka999
@Ahmad_Metallic said: 

@Axxol said:

I don't think you can jump the gun and conclude that a sequel won't bring anything new to the series just by watching a reveal trailer.
I beg to differ! you can jump that gun hard when this is the fifth annual installment in a series that hasn't brought anything new other than new multiplayer perks and kinks for the past few years. That is what people call a pattern
I see what you're saying, but I think we should hold judgement until more information is released.
#16 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18954 posts) -
@Axxol said:
@Ahmad_Metallic said: 
@Axxol said:
I don't think you can jump the gun and conclude that a sequel won't bring anything new to the series just by watching a reveal trailer.
I beg to differ! you can jump that gun hard when this is the fifth annual installment in a series that hasn't brought anything new other than new multiplayer perks and kinks for the past few years. That is what people call a pattern
I see what you're saying, but I think we should hold judgement until more information is released.
Suit yourself! 
Personally, i'm getting my judging on ^^ it's pretty amusing, especially that i'm gonna be having that sweet sweet "told you so!" high when the game's out! (even though thousands of people are gonna be saying that too)
#17 Posted by benjaebe (2784 posts) -

Pr3tty much th3 sam3 f33lings I had on th3 MW3 trail3r. Th3 r3al qu3stion is if th3y'r3 going to do anything int3r3sting with th3 multiplay3r.

#18 Posted by BraveToaster (12588 posts) -
@Ahmad_Metallic said:
@Axxol said:
@Ahmad_Metallic said: 
@Axxol said:
I don't think you can jump the gun and conclude that a sequel won't bring anything new to the series just by watching a reveal trailer.
I beg to differ! you can jump that gun hard when this is the fifth annual installment in a series that hasn't brought anything new other than new multiplayer perks and kinks for the past few years. That is what people call a pattern
I see what you're saying, but I think we should hold judgement until more information is released.
Suit yourself! Personally, i'm getting my judging on ^^ it's pretty amusing, especially that i'm gonna be having that sweet sweet "told you so!" high when the game's out! (even though thousands of people are gonna be saying that too)
I'm not saying that the game will bring something new to the series, I'm simply stating that we should find out more about the game. Saying "told you so" would be appropriate if I argued that the game is definitely introducing new mechanics etc.
#19 Posted by EuanDewar (5098 posts) -

Im excited. It'll be fun, it always is. Love how the action is looking even crazier this time around (which is saying something considering the craziness of the past two games).

#20 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -
@Axxol
@Ahmad_Metallic said:
@Axxol said:
@Ahmad_Metallic said: 
@Axxol said:
I don't think you can jump the gun and conclude that a sequel won't bring anything new to the series just by watching a reveal trailer.
I beg to differ! you can jump that gun hard when this is the fifth annual installment in a series that hasn't brought anything new other than new multiplayer perks and kinks for the past few years. That is what people call a pattern
I see what you're saying, but I think we should hold judgement until more information is released.
Suit yourself! Personally, i'm getting my judging on ^^ it's pretty amusing, especially that i'm gonna be having that sweet sweet "told you so!" high when the game's out! (even though thousands of people are gonna be saying that too)
I'm not saying that the game will bring something new to the series, I'm simply stating that we should find out more about the game. Saying "told you so" would be appropriate if I argued that the game is definitely introducing new mechanics etc.
Iterations on the mp is all this game will have to offer. Like every Activision franchise before and after it, this cow's been milked dry
#21 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18954 posts) -
@Axxol:  my "told you so" is pointed at COD believers, not you, bro.
#22 Posted by BraveToaster (12588 posts) -
@Ahmad_Metallic said:
@Axxol:  my "told you so" is pointed at COD believers, not you, bro.
Oh, sorry about that.
#23 Posted by TwoOneFive (9459 posts) -
@Shaka999: dunno about you but blops not only had different looking graphics, but also handled much different. and the scripted events were unbelievably scripted in blops. like you didnt even have to shoot your gun almost the entire game
#24 Posted by billnyethesciencepie (1336 posts) -
@Axxol: you know, his predictions are, most likely, 10000% true.
#25 Posted by Creamypies (4091 posts) -

It looks fine. I don't see the issue. I'll only play the campaign either way. And I always relish the opportunity to play in my home country... cos it doesn't really happen very often. 
 
People are bitching, but I think the old Infinity Ward would've gone in a similar direction anyway... it's certainly what MW2 was leading up to. 
 
And like somebody said before, it's an action game... and that trailer pretty much had everything in it that an action game enthusiast would want, right?

#26 Posted by Zoolander (34 posts) -

Looks exciting.

#27 Posted by TheGreatGuero (9130 posts) -

As soon as the WW3 turned into MW3, I was sold.

#28 Posted by damswedon (3202 posts) -
@TheGreatGuero said:
As soon as the WW3 turned into MW3, I was sold.
Yeah, yeah.
#29 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

I just wish a Call Of Duty title would tell from the perspective of one individual. I like stories that follow one person on a journey, through beginning to conclusion and tells their story. The more characters they introduce and have you playing as, especially in different parts of the world, the more convoluted the story gets. This tactic worked perfectly for Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, but it has convoluted the story on any other attempt. 
 
I guess I'm just looking for a big, dumb action game that has a simpler plot to follow and one that doesn't insist on holding my hand to "watch the fireworks", so to speak.

#30 Edited by ChillyUK7 (278 posts) -

In terms of single player I haven't seen or read anything (haven't read kotaku article, if I do get this game I want some surprises) that seems different from previous games, the destruction will probably be like Gears Of War 2 in that it won't impact gameplay much, which is a shame because the main appeal and focus of Cod is in multi player so why not try something different with the single player, it could be a third person RPG/Tactical shooter and as long as the multi player is the same as usual it will sell as usual.

#31 Posted by Extreme_Popcorn (842 posts) -
@superseagull7 said:
I doubt it can live up to CoD4, just because that formula isn't new anymore. When CoD4 came out, everyone was blown away because it was doing something new that made the user experience better. The online multiplayer amazed everybody and won the series a lot of mindless followers. The trailers are all very similar, so just don't buy into it. It does bother me when people obsess over "how awesome it looks" in the trailer... just because that doesn't tell you anything about the game. I respond by telling them how Activision ruined Infinity Ward and that MW3 won't be as good, because it's not the Infinity Ward we know anymore. Honestly, I'm rooting for this game to be bad, just as an eff you to Activision and all of the mindless followers of the franchise.
So because people like something you don't they are mindless?

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