It looks like time is up for mature titles from Capcom on Nintendo's Wii, Antoine Seux, a Director at Capcom, had this to say in response to the terrible sales of their latest Resident Evil game on the platform:  

One feels that there is a problem very clear on this style of game on the Wii, where gamers have obviously moved on. Resident Evil 4 on Wii worked well, but [it was released] when the market had nothing! The customer of [the Wii] has turned into something [of a] much broader audience. It is a disappointment. 

Indeed, just like SEGA.  But he's only the French director of Capcom so I guess he doesn't speak for the whole company.  Also, it's not as if they made a real effort to actually make good mature titles on the Wii.

Capcom knows what's up!

Maybe I'd agree with them if the only mature games coming out on the wii were rail shooters. Didn't RE4 wii edition get close to a million? Give Wii owners another game like that and it'll sell. 

" Give Wii owners another game like that and it'll sell.  "

" Maybe I'd agree with them if the only mature games coming out on the wii were rail shooters. Didn't RE4 wii edition get close to a million? Give Wii owners another game like that and it'll sell.  "

But isn't Monster Hunter Tri on the Wii??? Isn't that game and franchise huge in Japan? I just don't get this decision, but then again I don't understand most of Capcom's decisions, such as closing down Clover. Why Capcom? WHY????

" But isn't Monster Hunter Tri on the Wii??? Isn't that game and franchise huge in Japan? I just don't get this decision, but then again I don't understand most of Capcom's decisions, such as closing down Clover. Why Capcom? WHY???? "

" @AgentJ said:

" Maybe I'd agree with them if the only mature games coming out on the wii were rail shooters. Didn't RE4 wii edition get close to a million? Give Wii owners another game like that and it'll sell.  "

Yes. If they made a new (and exclusive) Resident Evil 3rd person shooter for the wii with updated mechanics (not like that lazy Dead Rising port) it would be awesome. But that won't happen because they could just make the same game for the Xbox and PS3 and it would sell far better. Such is a misfortune of the console wars. But they should do it anyways. "

What "mature" games has capcom made for the wii? I'm drawing a blank here.

good, more people should realize this. Maybe Nintendo will wake up.

" @Cerza said:

" But isn't Monster Hunter Tri on the Wii??? Isn't that game and franchise huge in Japan? I just don't get this decision, but then again I don't understand most of Capcom's decisions, such as closing down Clover. Why Capcom? WHY???? "

 I wouldn't call Monster Hunter Tri a mature title.  It is, but that's there, not here in the West where the real money is. "

They planned it all along. Make a game for a small audience, and not bother to advertise it, it's the perfect formula for failure.

Dear Capcom, 
 
How about this? You stop focusing on the rating of a game. Start working on a new idea. Polish it. Advertise it. Then you're left with a great new game. 
Sounds good, right? Remember Zack & Wiki, Capcom? Do you? 
 
Sincerely, 
Emilio

" Dear Capcom,  How about this? You stop focusing on the rating of a game. Start working on a new idea. Polish it. Advertise it. Then you're left with a great new game. Sounds good, right? Remember Zack & Wiki, Capcom? Do you?  Sincerely, Emilio "

I doubt that the Director of Capcom's French office is in a position to speak for the whole company.
 
Then again, Monster Hunter Tri is being handled by Nintendo in Europe, which might say something about Capcom HQ's faith in their European offices.

" Resident Evil 4 on the Wii was great but those other RE Wii titles have been less than impressive. Good choice on Capcom's part I'd say. "

I just think most 3rd party publishers dropped the ball when it comes to mature games on the Wii thinking outdated light gun games and stylized niche game will sell. I think M-rated games on the Wii (with the exception of No More Heroes 2) are dead on arrival. And quite honestly, who cares? The Wii doesn't need mature games at this point. It's already got an established casual audience.

Makes perfect sense, whether you like it or not.

Mature titles do not matter, as long as they keep developing.

Companies should start using there Wii motion plus and see how that goes.

Capcom exec 1: "Hey, let's make another Resident Evil Wii game."
Capcom exec 2: "Yes. There are, what, 50 million Wii users? That's at least 20 million buyers right there!"
Capcom exec 1: "It's Resident Evil, right? It will sell itself!"
Capcom exec 2: "You're right! Here's a thought: Because it would sell so well anyway, let's make it a niche genre game to please an even larger crowd!"
Capcom exec 1: "Excellent idea! What do you propose as marketing budget?"
Capcom exec 2: "I don't know! I would suggest $200. It's on the Wii! It will sell itself!"
 
This HAPPENS. The game gets MEDIOCRE REVIEWS and ALMOST NO MARKETING.
 
Capcom exec 1: "Numbers are in! Our new Wii Resident Evil rails game didn't sell ten million copies!"
Capcom exec 2: "No wai! The Wii audience sure sucks!"
Capcom exec 1: "Yeah, morons!"

" Capcom exec 1: "Hey, let's make another Resident Evil Wii game." Capcom exec 2: "Yes. There are, what, 50 million Wii users? That's at least 20 million buyers right there!" Capcom exec 1: "It's Resident Evil, right? It will sell itself!" Capcom exec 2: "You're right! Here's a thought: Because it would sell so well anyway, let's make it a niche genre game to please an even larger crowd!" Capcom exec 1: "Excellent idea! What do you propose as marketing budget?" Capcom exec 2: "I don't know! I would suggest $200. It's on the Wii! It will sell itself!"  This HAPPENS. The game gets MEDIOCRE REVIEWS and ALMOST NO MARKETING.  Capcom exec 1: "Numbers are in! Our new Wii Resident Evil rails game didn't sell ten million copies!" Capcom exec 2: "No wai! The Wii audience sure sucks!" Capcom exec 1: "Yeah, morons!" "

" Capcom exec 1: "Hey, let's make another Resident Evil Wii game." Capcom exec 2: "Yes. There are, what, 50 million Wii users? That's at least 20 million buyers right there!" Capcom exec 1: "It's Resident Evil, right? It will sell itself!" Capcom exec 2: "You're right! Here's a thought: Because it would sell so well anyway, let's make it a niche genre game to please an even larger crowd!" Capcom exec 1: "Excellent idea! What do you propose as marketing budget?" Capcom exec 2: "I don't know! I would suggest $200. It's on the Wii! It will sell itself!"  This HAPPENS. The game gets MEDIOCRE REVIEWS and ALMOST NO MARKETING.  Capcom exec 1: "Numbers are in! Our new Wii Resident Evil rails game didn't sell ten million copies!" Capcom exec 2: "No wai! The Wii audience sure sucks!" Capcom exec 1: "Yeah, morons!" "

" Zack and Wiki was always destined to fail in my eyes, that games character design was totally fucked up, as is the name of the game.   I'm glad I'll never have to hear that extremely annoying baby sound shit coming out of Wiki.  "

Um, this is just some French dude talking sensational crap. Do you really think CAPCOM Japan base their decisions on his opinion?

Monster Hunter 3 sold gangbusters in Japan and was the highest selling home console third party game of the generation until only FFXIII just surpassed it. Sure, it sold less than the PSP games but then again it has a pay to play online mode there ensuring additional income, and they're bound to release a G version for even more profit with little additional development cost as those editions have expansion level content.

RE4 Wii sold great, RE: UC sold great by riding its bandwagon with claims of being a test game that would ensure more CAPCOM support, RE: DSC sold crap because UC was sub par and despite passing the sales test didn't bring support, but another outsourced shooter.

What else "mature" did CAPCOM bring Wii to be disappointed with sales? Dead Rising's most laughable port of the decade? No shit it didn't sell.

The lightgun genre is 100% dead on every platform but the Wii!

You need to spend money to make money, and they don't do the former for the most part. They also have the nerve to complain they can't compete against Nintendo's highly polished expansive and well marketed products like Super Mario Galaxy. No shit Sherlock. When we say Wii development costs less it doesn't mean that you put your interns on the job, it should mean that your top tier developers have less work to do since they don't need to create 5 layers of textures and add insane amounts of detail on a character's face to have lifelike animations. It should mean development costs are on par with last generation instead of the many times over increase that HD development has spurred. Not that you put out dodgy products nobody would buy on any console and expect them to sell. I'm glad they don't, and if they did people would just say they don't need to put effort anyway as shit games can sell and we'd still not see good efforts on Wii [ed: this is what happened with UC after all, instead of leading to a proper RE game, it brought a direct sequel].

Whatever, I'm content with my PC for the "AAA" stuff (which I play less and less nowadays) and my Wii for its less mainstream creative titles like Little King's Story and of course Nintendo's own games and the occasional 3rd party "AAA" title like MHTri and whatever's next. That SEGA won't fund MadWorld redux for it is hardly an issue for any gamer, though everyone should feel their intelligence is insulted when they try to convince him their failures are the Wii's fault.

If they were only going to continue making those on-rail shooters, then I'm glad they won't be making any more "mature" games for the Wii. Apart from The House of the Dead: Overkill, none of them interest me. Also, I can't remember when on-rail shooters on home consoles were ever big sellers.
 
The Wii market is a tough one though, it seems like the consumers don't know what they want. If they released a proper Resident Evil, I doubt it still wouldn't sell that well.

Unless it's something Resident Evil-related, I doubt anything M-rated will hit the Wii, unless it's an effort that took 10 minutes and had a developer's idle hand slapping the keyboard while he was eating a sandwich or something.

A game with an M rating != good game.
 
Let's stop focusing on whether a game is rated Mature and start focusing on making the damn games good.

" A game with an M rating != good game.  Let's stop focusing on whether a game is rated Mature and start focusing on making the damn games good. "

" @PureRok said:

" A game with an M rating != good game.  Let's stop focusing on whether a game is rated Mature and start focusing on making the damn games good. "

It's not about how good they are either, people still won't buy them. There's tons of fantastic software for the Wii, but they still don't sell in millions, like they do on the 360 or PS3. "

" @Marzy said:

" @PureRok said:

" A game with an M rating != good game.  Let's stop focusing on whether a game is rated Mature and start focusing on making the damn games good. "

It's not about how good they are either, people still won't buy them. There's tons of fantastic software for the Wii, but they still don't sell in millions, like they do on the 360 or PS3. "

I don't care about sales. I care about good games. I don't know why people talk about sales so much. It's not like you get payed if they sell more. "

" Zack and Wiki was always destined to fail in my eyes, that games character design was totally fucked up, as is the name of the game.   I'm glad I'll never have to hear that extremely annoying baby sound shit coming out of Wiki.  "

" @Linkyshinks said:

" Zack and Wiki was always destined to fail in my eyes, that games character design was totally fucked up, as is the name of the game.   I'm glad I'll never have to hear that extremely annoying baby sound shit coming out of Wiki.  "

I liked it better when it was Treasure Island Z, and it being a very early Wii game, I can excuse its baby sounds.  Its just the idea of the game, a point and click puzzle adventure, that relied entirely on the controller, and had some pretty nice looking graphics... I dunno. Its just a nice title. "

• Terrible main character design which has no coherence to Western players 
• Terrible title - Zack & Wiki : The Quest for Barbaros Treasure
• Terrible sound design
• Way too easy for older players 
• Not enough diversity in puzzles - rehashing

" @PureRok said:

" A game with an M rating != good game.  Let's stop focusing on whether a game is rated Mature and start focusing on making the damn games good. "

It's not about how good they are either, people still won't buy them. There's tons of fantastic software for the Wii, but they still don't sell in millions, like they do on the 360 or PS3. "

The poor sales of games such as House of the Dead: Overkill and MadWorld, and their somewhat average reviews, are a huge motivation for not making mature titles for the Wii. It is just not the consoles target audience. The group of people looking for Mature titles on the Wii are a small minority. House wives are not exactly looking forward to slaying people, or shooting zombies. The hardcore Nintendo community still has Zelda and Mario games to keep themselves entertained.

Overkill sold good, as did other mature games, so your post makes no sense. Average reviews have nothing to do with the casual audience, unless you went and read housewife reviews. Most are simply average games that wouldn't sell anywhere. The motiovation should be to make better games, not to move to other systems that they already exploit anyway, else they'll saturate the market there also. Average games like Bionic Commando don't sell on HD platforms anyway, why should they sell on Wii? The Wii's an untapped market for many companies and dumb decisions keep them from making more money, not the audience or any other factors out of their control. CAPCOM made ammends with MHTri and was rewarded for it, Square will make ammends with Dragon Quest X and be rewarded for it, Nintendo's big budget highly marketed efforts are always rewarded (but also underperform if the game's not great, like Wii Music). Spend money and you'll make money, it's as simple as that.

" @Marzy said:

" @PureRok said:

" A game with an M rating != good game.  Let's stop focusing on whether a game is rated Mature and start focusing on making the damn games good. "

It's not about how good they are either, people still won't buy them. There's tons of fantastic software for the Wii, but they still don't sell in millions, like they do on the 360 or PS3. "

Software that doesn't sell on WIi wouldn't sell anywhere. If you think MadWorld has the same kind of appeal Gears of War does you're mistaken. It's black & white. In most cases these have a low budget in any case. Some flop worse than you'd think, but none would fare that much better elsewhere. Unless you've seen so many succesful lightgun shooters on PS360 or quirky low budget games from companies the mainstream doesn't care about like Little King's Story that do multimillion sales, or 2D platformers like A Boy and His Blob and Muramasa that sell well.The Wii is niche land for a reason. Most good efforts sell enough to continue making them with the appropriate budget. If it wasn't for Wii, these games wouldn't exist at all, their development wouldn't be justified, rather than exist on other systems and perform better. I don't see why people think a game that has a fraction of the cost of the big sellers on other systems should perform just as good to justify its existence. It shouldn't. "

No, I didn't, MadWorld was just an example. Whatever game you think would perform better on other systems, actually wouldn't, as no game's problem has been the Wii's audience, only the way the game was handled, its quality, its own lacking appeal outside a particular niche.

The last sentence was not directly confronting something you said, but something you implied. You imply you expect sales as good as on other systems. From what software? There is absolutely no high budget Wii software aside from Nintnedo's own games that do perform great, and Monster Hunter Tri in Japan which did perform great. Everything else has been a low budget effort that would not perform better anywhere, and exists solely thanks to the Wii as development would have never been greenlit for any other system. Like lightgun shooters nobody makes.

What's even more ridiculous is nobody calls games like Eternal Sonata and Blue Dragon flops on 360, despite being vast RPG games, but a game like Overkill which is a short, cheaply made, outsourced niche title is told to be a flop despite achieving similar sales. Its sales were great for it.

" The poor sales of games such as House of the Dead: Overkill and MadWorld, and their somewhat average reviews, are a huge motivation for not making mature titles for the Wii. It is just not the consoles target audience. The group of people looking for Mature titles on the Wii are a small minority. House wives are not exactly looking forward to slaying people, or shooting zombies. The hardcore Nintendo community still has Zelda and Mario games to keep themselves entertained. "

" No, I didn't, MadWorld was just an example. Whatever game you think would perform better on other systems, wouldn't. "

God told me. Or I use common sense. Why does nobody make lightgun shooters on PS360? Because more people wouldn't buy them and they'd require a higher budget than Wii games if they were to have appealing to the HD audience graphics on par with other productions. Why does nobody port his games that supposedly flopped because of the Wii? Surely that would be easy money, yes? No, because they know they wouldn't sell anywhere else either (and before someone mentions the No More Heroes port, that is ported because it was succesful, not the opposite, and I wouldn't expect it to do better on PS3 than on Wii anywhere except Japan where marketing wasn't what it could have been for the Wii release).

It's the same old Chinatown Wars DS story. Everyone run to blame the DS for being unable to sell big mature franchises but the PSP port, which does have better graphics so must have cost more than the average port, and where GTA games have sold excellently many times before, actually performed even worse (while the DS version has achieved pretty respectable sales by now, like several of the so called Wii bombs). Why? The game was great surely. It was, but it was niche, just like GTA always was before GTA3. Top down GTA just isn't what most people want. On rails Dead Space isn't what people want. On rails RE for a second time isn't what people want. Etc for all niche titles, which aren't even good as CW.

" God told me. Or I use common sense. "

The developers do know this, hence most of those games aren't ported elsewhere to make up for the supposed loss, even though it would be piss easy with the Wii's inferior hardware as games would run fast, or faster than on Wii, even with a sloppy job. Read the rest of the post.

As William Goldman was famous for saying "Nobody knows anything".  Your just a gamer, how would you know?
 

I won't be posting any more though. I can't be bothered debating over something that's not important.