What's up with Jeff disliking Lords of Shadow for not being SotN?

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#1 Posted by Sor_Eddie (90 posts) -

I mean, in both the Quick Look and the most recent Bombcast, he complains that it doesn't have "Castlevania stuff", but a lot of the stuff he lists off is just Metroidvania stuff, things that weren't historically "Castlevania stuff" either. Castlevania doesn't begin and end at the hands of IGA, and it shouldn't either.

This actually seems to be a fairly common thing with CV "fans", actually. It's like... You guys know there were Castlevania games before SotN, right?

#2 Posted by Bobby_The_Great (1004 posts) -

I don't get it either. I love the game. The Dark and Light magic mechanics were awesome, and made the game super strategic when to use which one as it was a tough as nails game.

I loved it, can't wait for the sequel.

#3 Posted by FourWude (2261 posts) -

Because that's CRAZY!

Because it's BELOW STOOOOPID that Lords of Shadow is not a metroidvania!

Because you can't beat 200.6%!!!

#4 Edited by FLStyle (4649 posts) -

In general I find that the Giant Bomb staff's needs, wants and reasons for playing games often differ heavily from fans of said games, which puts them at odds.

Speaking specifically about Lords of Shadow, I much prefer DMC and Bayonetta style action games to LoS and God of War action games.

#5 Posted by wemibelec90 (1611 posts) -

@Sor_Eddie: I think he just doesn't really like character-action games. He doesn't care for Ninja Gaiden, God of War, and (at least the earlier ones) Devil May Cry. Maybe that has something to do with it?

#6 Posted by Hunkulese (2694 posts) -

Who cares? SOTN is what he wants from a castlevania game and LOS is nothing like that. Why does it bother you so much?

#7 Posted by MooseyMcMan (10853 posts) -

You know, Jeff's particular tastes about specific things tend to be odd. I think we should all know this by now. I mean, he doesn't like Red Dead Redemption.

Let his opinion be his opinion, even if there are plenty of people out there (myself included) who do not feel the same about Lords of Shadow.

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#8 Posted by Hailinel (24284 posts) -

I'm in agreement with Jeff on this, then. I prefer Metroidvania to Lords of Shadow.

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#9 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

It doesn't look like a Castlevania game. It also looks dumb.

#10 Posted by SSully (4148 posts) -

Because obviously the shit he likes about Castlevania is from sotn. This game isn't like sotn, so he doesn't like it. It's very easy to understand.

Example. One of Half Life 2's biggest complaints is that is has serious pacing issues. I.E. the driving sequences, and many other sequences in the game are just dragged out. In my opinion though that is what makes HL2 such an amazing game. It feels like this huge journey where see encounter so much fucked up shit, that by the end it all adds up to this one great beautiful experience. This pacing, plus many other features, is a big point of contention for many fans of the original HL. I guess the best way to sum this all up is by saying, OPINIONS.

#11 Posted by Alkaiser (358 posts) -

@MooseyMcMan said:

You know, Jeff's particular tastes about specific things tend to be odd. I think we should all know this by now. I mean, he doesn't like Red Dead Redemption.

Let his opinion be his opinion, even if there are plenty of people out there (myself included) who do not feel the same about Lords of Shadow.

I don't like Red Dead Redemption either. Then again, I don't really like open world games, or GTA in general. I don't see why thats so crazy.

#12 Posted by MooseyMcMan (10853 posts) -

@Alkaiser said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

You know, Jeff's particular tastes about specific things tend to be odd. I think we should all know this by now. I mean, he doesn't like Red Dead Redemption.

Let his opinion be his opinion, even if there are plenty of people out there (myself included) who do not feel the same about Lords of Shadow.

I don't like Red Dead Redemption either. Then again, I don't really like open world games, or GTA in general. I don't see why thats so crazy.

Well, the weird part is that Jeff loved GTA IV, but hated RDR.

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#13 Posted by ThePickle (4160 posts) -

Most of the LoS "hate" is joking. I think it might even be reactionary to people saying that the staff hated the game just because they weren't talking it about much.

The Red Dead thing, however, is a whole other can of fuck you.

#14 Posted by Alkaiser (358 posts) -

@MooseyMcMan said:

@Alkaiser said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

You know, Jeff's particular tastes about specific things tend to be odd. I think we should all know this by now. I mean, he doesn't like Red Dead Redemption.

Let his opinion be his opinion, even if there are plenty of people out there (myself included) who do not feel the same about Lords of Shadow.

I don't like Red Dead Redemption either. Then again, I don't really like open world games, or GTA in general. I don't see why thats so crazy.

Well, the weird part is that Jeff loved GTA IV, but hated RDR.

Huh. That is bizarre, unless his opinion of GTA games changed drastically within a couple years.

#15 Posted by kishinfoulux (2277 posts) -

Because Lords of Shadow is bad and SOTN is amazing. Seems simple to me.

@MooseyMcMan said:

@Alkaiser said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

You know, Jeff's particular tastes about specific things tend to be odd. I think we should all know this by now. I mean, he doesn't like Red Dead Redemption.

Let his opinion be his opinion, even if there are plenty of people out there (myself included) who do not feel the same about Lords of Shadow.

I don't like Red Dead Redemption either. Then again, I don't really like open world games, or GTA in general. I don't see why thats so crazy.

Well, the weird part is that Jeff loved GTA IV, but hated RDR.

I don't dislike RDR, but don't think it's this amazing game either. I did like GTA IV a bit though.

#16 Posted by ajamafalous (11942 posts) -
@Hunkulese said:
Who cares? SOTN is what he wants from a castlevania game and LOS is nothing like that. Why does it bother you so much?
#17 Posted by Solh0und (1763 posts) -

I'm sure this will add more to the answer you're looking for...

#18 Posted by c0l0nelp0c0rn1 (1807 posts) -

@MooseyMcMan said:

@Alkaiser said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

You know, Jeff's particular tastes about specific things tend to be odd. I think we should all know this by now. I mean, he doesn't like Red Dead Redemption.

Let his opinion be his opinion, even if there are plenty of people out there (myself included) who do not feel the same about Lords of Shadow.

I don't like Red Dead Redemption either. Then again, I don't really like open world games, or GTA in general. I don't see why thats so crazy.

Well, the weird part is that Jeff loved GTA IV, but hated RDR.

I love open world games, but I'm not fond (so far) of any of the GTA games or Red Dead Redemption.

#19 Posted by eskimo (475 posts) -

Every Castlevania game since SotN has had certain elements from that game in common, whereas LoS had more in common with God of War than any Castlevania game.

Quit being so obtuse.

#20 Edited by SpunkyHePanda (1610 posts) -

It was Brad's reaction when Vinny was talking about the game during the Bradley May Cry video that bothered me a bit. Felt like he was being a little condescending.

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#21 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

I'm in agreement with Jeff on this, then. I prefer Metroidvania to Lords of Shadow.

Doesn't mean the latter is bad, though.

#22 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4337 posts) -

What's up with people getting bothered by staff members that don't like the games they like?

#23 Posted by JZ (2125 posts) -

Because if they liked the games we liked. We'd be in the likeing the same game club.

#24 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11589 posts) -

What's up with me disliking Fallout 2 for not being good? That's what keeps me up at night personally.

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#25 Posted by JasonR86 (9652 posts) -

@Sor_Eddie said:

I mean, in both the Quick Look and the most recent Bombcast, he complains that it doesn't have "Castlevania stuff", but a lot of the stuff he lists off is just Metroidvania stuff, things that weren't historically "Castlevania stuff" either. Castlevania doesn't begin and end at the hands of IGA, and it shouldn't either.

This actually seems to be a fairly common thing with CV "fans", actually. It's like... You guys know there were Castlevania games before SotN, right?

He was joking around. The issue he has with the game isn't 'it's not Castlevania'.

#26 Posted by Landon (4133 posts) -

Lords of Shadow just wasn't a very good game.

#27 Posted by NegativeCero (2988 posts) -

It's only reasonable to expect to disagree with some of the staff's opinions on games. That's okay with me. Every once in a while they'll talk about a game on the podcast or whatever that I'm liking. That's cool too.

#28 Posted by Hailinel (24284 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@Hailinel said:

I'm in agreement with Jeff on this, then. I prefer Metroidvania to Lords of Shadow.

Doesn't mean the latter is bad, though.

No, but it does mean that Lords of Shadow isn't what we want Castlevania to be.

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#29 Posted by JeffGoldblum (3704 posts) -

@Alkaiser said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

@Alkaiser said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

You know, Jeff's particular tastes about specific things tend to be odd. I think we should all know this by now. I mean, he doesn't like Red Dead Redemption.

Let his opinion be his opinion, even if there are plenty of people out there (myself included) who do not feel the same about Lords of Shadow.

I don't like Red Dead Redemption either. Then again, I don't really like open world games, or GTA in general. I don't see why thats so crazy.

Well, the weird part is that Jeff loved GTA IV, but hated RDR.

Huh. That is bizarre, unless his opinion of GTA games changed drastically within a couple years.

He liked GTA because of the story, which he was able to relate to on a very personal level. Maybe he just couldn't relate to RDR's story.

#30 Posted by Klei (1768 posts) -

@McGhee said:

It doesn't look like a Castlevania game. It also looks dumb.

Ever played the first Castlevania games? I highly doubt it, because Lords of Shadow is exactly what those games were. SoTN introduced a new genre, mimicked by the DS titles which strayed far away from its original roots. Castlevania doesn't equal metroidvania, by the way.

#31 Posted by McGhee (6094 posts) -

@Klei said:

@McGhee said:

It doesn't look like a Castlevania game. It also looks dumb.

Ever played the first Castlevania games? I highly doubt it, because Lords of Shadow is exactly what those games were. SoTN introduced a new genre, mimicked by the DS titles which strayed far away from its original roots. Castlevania doesn't equal metroidvania, by the way.

Yep, totally the same thing.

#32 Posted by Hailinel (24284 posts) -

@Klei said:

@McGhee said:

It doesn't look like a Castlevania game. It also looks dumb.

Ever played the first Castlevania games? I highly doubt it, because Lords of Shadow is exactly what those games were. SoTN introduced a new genre, mimicked by the DS titles which strayed far away from its original roots. Castlevania doesn't equal metroidvania, by the way.

As I said before, all Lords of Shadow is is a third-person action game like God of War with some Castlevania-esque art design and character names strewn about. Also, the Metroidvania GBA and DS titles may not play 100% like SOTN, but they still maintain enough of the core concepts and aesthetic to maintain a greater connection to it than your hilarious attempt to connect Lords of Shadow to the first NES game.

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#33 Posted by Nottle (1912 posts) -

@Sor_Eddie said:

I mean, in both the Quick Look and the most recent Bombcast, he complains that it doesn't have "Castlevania stuff", but a lot of the stuff he lists off is just Metroidvania stuff, things that weren't historically "Castlevania stuff" either. Castlevania doesn't begin and end at the hands of IGA, and it shouldn't either.

This actually seems to be a fairly common thing with CV "fans", actually. It's like... You guys know there were Castlevania games before SotN, right?

What he referenced in the podcast wasn't SOTN exclusive. You don't die by touching water after a fishman hits you in SOTN.

I think the thing to remember is innovation is fine for series that feel old, but really how many metroidvanias are there that come out? There are like 9 Metroid games, they don't come out all that often, so Castlevania was the next best thing, take that away and now what do have replacing it? A somewhat mediocre character action game.

#34 Posted by Hunkulese (2694 posts) -

@MooseyMcMan said:

@Alkaiser said:

@MooseyMcMan said:

You know, Jeff's particular tastes about specific things tend to be odd. I think we should all know this by now. I mean, he doesn't like Red Dead Redemption.

Let his opinion be his opinion, even if there are plenty of people out there (myself included) who do not feel the same about Lords of Shadow.

I don't like Red Dead Redemption either. Then again, I don't really like open world games, or GTA in general. I don't see why thats so crazy.

Well, the weird part is that Jeff loved GTA IV, but hated RDR.

Why is that weird? The two games aren't similar at all except running to letters to start missions.

#35 Posted by MikkaQ (10278 posts) -

I see no problem with that viewpoint. I dislike the Metroid Prime games for the same reason.

#36 Posted by JZ (2125 posts) -

A quote from the black baron in anarchy reigns. "The token ninja is worth a ton, and this token black guy is all about that paper."

#37 Posted by xyzygy (9936 posts) -

Listening to people talk about this game as if they were expecting Metroidvania makes me cringe. It's completely stupid, why make MORE metroidvania games? They are meant for handhelds, not full featured consoles. LoS is in my list of all time favorites. People don't give it a chance, and it's a shame. It is a really great game with awesome, well, everything.

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#38 Posted by Klei (1768 posts) -

@Hailinel said:

@Klei said:

@McGhee said:

It doesn't look like a Castlevania game. It also looks dumb.

Ever played the first Castlevania games? I highly doubt it, because Lords of Shadow is exactly what those games were. SoTN introduced a new genre, mimicked by the DS titles which strayed far away from its original roots. Castlevania doesn't equal metroidvania, by the way.

As I said before, all Lords of Shadow is is a third-person action game like God of War with some Castlevania-esque art design and character names strewn about. Also, the Metroidvania GBA and DS titles may not play 100% like SOTN, but they still maintain enough of the core concepts and aesthetic to maintain a greater connection to it than your hilarious attempt to connect Lords of Shadow to the first NES game.

What? Hilarious attempt? Look, dude, you have your opinion, and that's fine, and I also have mine. And to me, Lords of Shadow is exactly what the NES version of Castlevania would be in this 3d, modern era. Forest area, making your way to the castle and stuff. But hey, it's cool. At least, I made you laugh, right? You and your hilarity.

#39 Posted by GreggD (4486 posts) -

@Klei said:

@Hailinel said:

@Klei said:

@McGhee said:

It doesn't look like a Castlevania game. It also looks dumb.

Ever played the first Castlevania games? I highly doubt it, because Lords of Shadow is exactly what those games were. SoTN introduced a new genre, mimicked by the DS titles which strayed far away from its original roots. Castlevania doesn't equal metroidvania, by the way.

As I said before, all Lords of Shadow is is a third-person action game like God of War with some Castlevania-esque art design and character names strewn about. Also, the Metroidvania GBA and DS titles may not play 100% like SOTN, but they still maintain enough of the core concepts and aesthetic to maintain a greater connection to it than your hilarious attempt to connect Lords of Shadow to the first NES game.

What? Hilarious attempt? Look, dude, you have your opinion, and that's fine, and I also have mine. And to me, Lords of Shadow is exactly what the NES version of Castlevania would be in this 3d, modern era. Forest area, making your way to the castle and stuff. But hey, it's cool. At least, I made you laugh, right? You and your hilarity.

It's extremely different, I have to agree with Hailinel.

#40 Posted by Alkaiser (358 posts) -

@xyzygy said:

Listening to people talk about this game as if they were expecting Metroidvania makes me cringe. It's completely stupid, why make MORE metroidvania games? They are meant for handhelds, not full featured consoles. LoS is in my list of all time favorites. People don't give it a chance, and it's a shame. It is a really great game with awesome, well, everything.

I did give it a chance. I didn't like it and felt kinda suckered that I spent $80 on a game I very much didn't enjoy that felt more in common with God of War than its own franchise.

I'm glad you liked it. I'm glad you felt you got your moneys worth. But they totally should make more metroidvania games because I want to buy and play them. Symphony of the Night and Super Metroid are some of my all time favorite games personally, so you can see why I might be partial to that style of gameplay. Both came out on consoles meant to be played on a television, so I don't get that argument either.

#41 Posted by SavageDragon (6 posts) -

I think it looks cool. Only time will tell.

#42 Posted by me3639 (1748 posts) -

The game is awesome. Jeff doesnt like a lot of games i like, and i dont like a lot of what he likes. Its all good.

#43 Posted by PoisonJam7 (335 posts) -

@xyzygy said:

Listening to people talk about this game as if they were expecting Metroidvania makes me cringe. It's completely stupid, why make MORE metroidvania games? They are meant for handhelds, not full featured consoles.

You haven't played Shadow Complex, have you?

#44 Edited by xyzygy (9936 posts) -

@Alkaiser: I do agree that they should make more Metroidvania games though, I just don't think they should do one or the other. It's been a while since Order of Ecclesia... though I do think that's one of the worst Castlevania Metroidvania games.

@PoisonJam7 said:

@xyzygy said:

Listening to people talk about this game as if they were expecting Metroidvania makes me cringe. It's completely stupid, why make MORE metroidvania games? They are meant for handhelds, not full featured consoles.

You haven't played Shadow Complex, have you?

Sorry, what I meant was more Castlevania Metroidvania games. Love Shadow Complex to death, S-Ranked it. Though, like I said above, if they decide to work on LoS2 AND a 2D metroidvania style CV game... then I'm all for that. I just don't think they should focus solely on the Metroidvania style because I love what they did with LoS.

EDIT: I completely forgot about the new 3DS LoS coming out.

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#45 Posted by Alkaiser (358 posts) -

@xyzygy said:

@Alkaiser: I do agree that they should make more Metroidvania games though, I just don't think they should do one or the other. It's been a while since Order of Ecclesia...

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm cool with them doing both and trying new things. I just personally didn't enjoy Lords of Shadow at all. Though I am hopeful for the sequel because for some reason it gives me a Blood Omen/Soul Reaver vibe, and I loved those before they went to crap.

#46 Posted by coaxmetal (1603 posts) -

GUYS I DON'T THIN HE WAS BEING SERIOUS BUT SOTN DOES OWN AND IS BETTER THAN LORDS OF SHADOW WHICH LOOKS OK BUT ALSO LIKE A PRETTY GENERIC ONE OF THOSE GAMES AND ID RATHER PLAY BETTER ONES LIKE BAYONETTA AND ALSO THE NEW DMC THAT GAME WAS PRETTY DOPE

#47 Posted by Raven10 (1762 posts) -

@Hunkulese said:

Who cares? SOTN is what he wants from a castlevania game and LOS is nothing like that. Why does it bother you so much?

This. Yea, obviously there are more Castlevania games than SOTN and its followups but many people find those games to be the best. LOS isn't those games, so it isn't what many fans want. It's not like LOS is anything like the NES/SNES games either. That said, it is easily the best 3D Castlevania game. That isn't a big compliment, but let's face it, what Konami was doing before wasn't working.

#48 Posted by CaptainCharisma (339 posts) -

I love Castlevania: Lords of Shadow. And it was my gateway to playing the Metroidvania style ones. Just felt like I should say something nice about the whole situation.

#49 Edited by joshthebear (2700 posts) -

Another LoS thread? Can you not just accept that it's their opinion that it sucks (which it totally does) and move on?

#50 Posted by JasonR86 (9652 posts) -

@Colourful_Hippie said:

What's up with people getting bothered by staff members that don't like the games they like?

Poor self-confidence.

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