Catherine a hentai or just perv?

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#51 Posted by LiquidPrince (15857 posts) -
@Abyssfull said:
" No word on tentacle monsters just yet. "
We'll be announcing more at E3 2011.
#52 Posted by ViciousReiven (821 posts) -

Just ecchi, no hentai.

#53 Posted by BaneFireLord (2913 posts) -

Rated T? Really?
Oh wait, that's Japan. America will have a fucking fit with it. "BOOBIES? AO!"

#54 Posted by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@TheSeductiveMoose said:
" @mutha3 said:
 Videogames greatest achievement in the storytelling department is a glorified choose-your-own adventure book(Planescape:Torment).....which is written pretty decently over all, true. But that's all it is: decent. "
Oh hell no, you didn't. "
>:)
#55 Posted by TheSeductiveMoose (3617 posts) -
@mutha3 said:
" @TheSeductiveMoose said:
" @mutha3 said:
 Videogames greatest achievement in the storytelling department is a glorified choose-your-own adventure book(Planescape:Torment).....which is written pretty decently over all, true. But that's all it is: decent. "
Oh hell no, you didn't. "
>:) "

OT: I don't think it's going to be a hentai, that's just silly. 
 
I can't wait to play it, if it ever comes out here in Europe.
#57 Posted by endaround (2140 posts) -
@BaneFireLord said:
" Rated T? Really? Oh wait, that's Japan. America will have a fucking fit with it. "BOOBIES? AO!" "
Except that's not true at all.  There is hardly any nudity in Japanese video games (cue Ice-T...), they'll get stomped with the Z rating and most console manufacturers don't want to go near it.  Sony Japan is known for being very censor happy.   Now its true mentions of sex won't get an automatic Z /M rating as in the US but once you get the M rating you're freedom goes up considerably in the US versus Japan. 
 
So the only way there would be any nudity in Catherine is if its put back in for an international release.  So very, very unlikely.  (Though maybe Atlus will pull a Square Enix and release and international version in Japan to fully perform a double dip on their fans).
#58 Posted by m1k3 (1326 posts) -

technically its not hentai but Eroge (erotic game)
 
Either way, we dont really know the story or how much ecchi there is in the game. we will know probably closer to release.

#59 Posted by Malakhii (1443 posts) -

I really hope this game tells an awesome story and helps crush some stereotypes about game stories sucking. People have sex, it's a pretty big part of most people's lives, so it's only natural we develop fiction, where sex is a major theme. 

#60 Edited by Mikemcn (6959 posts) -
@mutha3 said:

" @drag said:

" @mutha3 said:

" @Mikemcn said:

" Its a videogame, of course its sexual on some freaky level. "

Fixed.  Videogames are far trashier then anime. if you're going to make sweeping generalization, atleast make the right one. "
That's just not true though. "
But it is.  Despite all the loli harem shows and generic ass 15 year olds in giant robots saving the universe, anime atleast has talent like Miyazaki or Urusawa  Videogames greatest achievement in the storytelling department is a glorified choose-your-own adventure book(Planescape:Torment).....which is written pretty decently over all, true. But that's all it is: decent.  Lets not derail the thread, though. If you wanna respond send a PM. "
But anime sucks in any form, and...... I was going to say alot more, but in reflection I never should have gone into this topic at all. Keep trying to tell me Anime is good, and I'll keep telling you your wrong.
#61 Posted by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@Mikemcn: I don't recall saying anime is a good medium, I'm just saying videogame storytelling is garbage of the highest magnitude. Such garbage it eclipses manga and comics(which are garbage for the most part too). 
 
I guess I shouldn't expect much taste from someone with such poor reading comprehension, though.
 
@drag said:
" @mutha3: Didn't realise we were talking about storytelling? Right okay.  "

Of course. I don't even like Anime or comics. I like videogames. A lot.
 
Okay seriously now lets get back on topic, if you want to send me an incredibly witty retort please do so via PM Mikemcn .
#62 Posted by Catolf (2653 posts) -
@ProfessorEss said:
" @Turambar said:
" @ProfessorEss said:
" @Laketown said:

"you don't think they'll be able to do it tastefully? I think they will "

Judging from the media I've seen so far I'm not convinced that "tasteful" is even one of their goals. "
Considering it's Atlus, well done and not trashy is always one of their goals.  Marketing =/= game.  We of all people should be able to grasp that concept very well. "
Don't get me wrong, it looks well done. It looks REALLY well done. I'm just saying who knows, maybe they wanna make something trashy. I'm anxious to find out either way. "
Considering they already have Mara and an Incubi, not to mention Satan which were in their full glory as a persona you could use, or This lovely Lady of DDS they have done things featuring breasts, penis, and even a demon on a crapper, we suddenly see normal looking people partially nude and it's suddenly trashy?
 
Movies as a staple of their trailers 99% of them time show the 'sex' scene inside the first thirty seconds and yet no one really bats an eye. We need to look at video games as a medium for great story telling and for excellent gameplay and the immersion of the player. Be mature about it. The more mature people are about it the more likely it would get seen in a different light upon the public. the more you go "haha porn" or "Tits" blah blah blah, it just shows you haven't gown mentally enough to be bothered with and should be left behind.
 
@Mikemcn said:
But anime sucks in any form, and...... I was going to say alot more, but in reflection I never should have gone into this topic at all. Keep trying to tell me Anime is good, and I'll keep telling you your wrong. "
Let's keep this on topic. But for off topic comment. You should be open to new mediums and don't bash something when (if) you've only seen a shitty episode of Yu-gi-oh (4 kids version) and now the whole thing is bad. That's having a closed mind, while your entitled to it, it's just sad.
 
Back on topic... dis be a vidja game.. not an episode of sailor moon (which i love btw)
#63 Posted by endaround (2140 posts) -
@Catolf said:

  Back on topic... dis be a vidja game.. not an episode of sailor moon (which i love btw) "
So no talking cats?  I'm not so sure about this game anymore
#64 Posted by Catolf (2653 posts) -
@endaround said:
" @Catolf said:

  Back on topic... dis be a vidja game.. not an episode of sailor moon (which i love btw) "
So no talking cats?  I'm not so sure about this game anymore "
Not.. wait..MAYBE..dosen't ATLUS always put a black cat in their games..O.o But we do get sheeple
#65 Posted by Atlas (2431 posts) -

This game will be blindy defended by people who love Persona, or more specifically the Endurance Run, but I have extremely little interest in playing this. Just looks weird, and not in a good way, in a creepy way. Maybe it'll be an awesome game, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not interested.

#66 Posted by Claude (16254 posts) -

Young love is hot if not a little insecure.

#67 Posted by Catolf (2653 posts) -
@Atlas said:
" This game will be blindy defended by people who love Persona, or more specifically the Endurance Run, but I have extremely little interest in playing this. Just looks weird, and not in a good way, in a creepy way. Maybe it'll be an awesome game, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not interested. "
Not blindly, I played the games before the endurance run, and ATLUS hasn't failed me yet, so call it what you will, but just because they have a possible new franchise/Game that is outside of the norm, why would I suddenly think it would be bad, or turn out piss pore..
 
Also.. if your not interested.. why are you checking in on a thread about it? Just a curious question, not knocking you for being here..but.. it seems like your ARE interested, and saying your not is silly.
#68 Posted by HubrisRanger (480 posts) -
@Atlas said:

" This game will be blindy defended by people who love Persona, or more specifically the Endurance Run, but I have extremely little interest in playing this. Just looks weird, and not in a good way, in a creepy way. Maybe it'll be an awesome game, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not interested. "      

  I think it isn't unusual for people to be excited about a game based on the past history of the developer. For example, I have high hopes for most Tim Schafer games. Has he let me down before?  Yes, yes he has , but he also created some of my favorite games ever. The fact that the people  who made this game also made a series that other people like quite a bit (which also deals with the nature of relationships through the lens of supernatural experiences), I can see why the new game from the Persona team would generate some interest and excitement, the same way the new movie by your favorite director would.
#69 Posted by jakob187 (21645 posts) -
@Meteora said:
" It's rated T. I don't think it'll be hentai. "
The tentacle rape is unlockable through a mod called Hot Toffee.
#70 Posted by ChrisTaran (1570 posts) -

Don't like Catherine? Don't eat!

#71 Posted by BitterAlmond (401 posts) -
@GlenTennis said:
" You can't spell Atlus without lust. "
#72 Posted by Hailinel (23987 posts) -

Depictions of sexuality don't inherently mean that the subject matter is perverse or pornographic.

#73 Posted by Animasta (14651 posts) -
@Atlas said:
" This game will be blindy defended by people who love Persona, or more specifically the Endurance Run, but I have extremely little interest in playing this. Just looks weird, and not in a good way, in a creepy way. Maybe it'll be an awesome game, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not interested. "
This is literally how a large group of gamers feel about Valve (I love them too, mind you), so I don't get your point. or Bungie, or Obsidian (well, maybe not a LARGE group of gamers for that one) just because the endurance run happened, and was funny, doesn't mean the games aren't in any way diminished by not having Jeff or Vinny make 80's references over them
#74 Edited by ProfessorEss (7285 posts) -
@Catolf said:

Movies as a staple of their trailers 99% of them time show the 'sex' scene inside the first thirty seconds and yet no one really bats an eye. We need to look at video games as a medium for great story telling and for excellent gameplay and the immersion of the player. Be mature about it. The more mature people are about it the more likely it would get seen in a different light upon the public. the more you go "haha porn" or "Tits" blah blah blah, it just shows you haven't gown mentally enough to be bothered with and should be left behind.

Maybe the defenders need to chill just a bit? If you think "being mature about this" is fumbling around for an retort everytime someone says the word tits, then by all mean do you thing. Personally, I'll continue to "be mature" by talking openly and freely about things, and not making a big deal of it either way.
 
"I hear there's tits in this game?'
"What!? It's not porn!"
"No, but I heard there's tits in it"
"They're done classy, just cause there's breasts in it doesn't mean it's porn"
"I didn't say it was porn"
"You don't get man! They're just trying to tell a good story, if this was a movie or television you wouldn't be making such a big deal out of this!"
"I didn't..."
"It's classy and deep! IT'S NOT PORN!!"
"But I..."
"Fuckin grow up man." 
 
Storm out of room, annnnnd... scene.
 
...okay, maybe writing a little play in my post ain't so mature, but whateves.
#75 Edited by mutha3 (4985 posts) -

  @ChrisTaran said:

" Don't like Catherine? Don't eat! "



you are what you eat 


 
if you don't eat then what are you even--aaaaaaaaagghhhhhh
#76 Edited by Catolf (2653 posts) -
@ProfessorEss said:

" @Catolf said:

Movies as a staple of their trailers 99% of them time show the 'sex' scene inside the first thirty seconds and yet no one really bats an eye. We need to look at video games as a medium for great story telling and for excellent gameplay and the immersion of the player. Be mature about it. The more mature people are about it the more likely it would get seen in a different light upon the public. the more you go "haha porn" or "Tits" blah blah blah, it just shows you haven't gown mentally enough to be bothered with and should be left behind.

Maybe the defenders need to chill just a bit? If you think "being mature about this" is fumbling around for an retort everytime someone says the word tits, then by all mean do you thing. Personally, I'll continue to "be mature" by talking openly and freely about things, and not making a big deal of it either way.
 
"I hear there's tits in this game?'
"What!? It's not porn!"
"No, but I heard there's tits in it"
"They're done classy, just cause there's breasts in it doesn't mean it's porn"
"I didn't say it was porn"
"You don't get man! They're just trying to tell a good story, if this was a movie or television you wouldn't be making such a big deal out of this!"
"I didn't..."
"It's classy and deep! IT'S NOT PORN!!"
"But I..."
"Fuckin grow up man."   Storm out of room, annnnnd... scene.  ...okay, maybe writing a little play in my post ain't so mature, but whateves. "
I wasn't strictly speaking of catherine, I'm talking of Games broadening their view to add adult relationships. I think your thinking I am strictly defending this game when i mean all adult relationships that play a role in gaming that are handled in a mature realistic manner. 
 
The part I bolded makes an excellent point no matter how you were aiming to be sarcastic with it. We didn't get excited over 300 just because Leonidas leader and king of Sparta had sex with his wife before he went off to war. We were excited about those Persians getting their ass kicked and an overly done manner. Xerxses especially. Which is why I stated if this were a movie (romantic horror or comedy ect) we wouldn't even react, because it's part of culture.
 
To your credit, the fangirl in me will buy this game reguarless.
To my credit if it sucks or is mediocre I'll say that just as well, when I've had my chance to play.
 
EDIT: Also to my credit the OT discussion is about whether Catherin is a Hentai (aka Porn) or just perverse.
#77 Edited by ProfessorEss (7285 posts) -
@Catolf: I can dig your angle, I guess I just prefer the "who cares" route.
Let people think it's porn, let people over-react, let video games stay on the fringe.
I don't know about you but I'm in no rush to get video games respected or legitimized, I kinda like that they still have a touch of taboo.
 
This isn't a definite buy for me but it is definitely way, way high on my list of games that I'm keeping my eye on.
Looks messed up, and looks amazing for it.
#78 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4611 posts) -

Traditionally I dislike anime as an artistic style, and I heavily dislike the archaic RPG design in Japan... yet I'm giving this game a real shot if/when it makes it to North America. The subject matter is interesting, and I've got a feeling that even if they go all Basic Instinct with it, it'll still be a good game. You know, just how Basic Instinct was still a very good movie.

#79 Posted by scarace360 (4828 posts) -

This cant be hentai. Cause well hentai is alot more sticky >_>. How can you even think that thats hentai.

#80 Posted by Bigheart711 (1253 posts) -

" nothing wrong with sexualisation in games. "

#81 Posted by dudeglove (7688 posts) -

I honestly don't get the hype behind this. Video game trailers, especially Japanese ones, have a fantastic habit of completely misrepresenting the game - or not representing it at all (See any Final Fantasy from VII onwards).

#82 Posted by DonutFever (3550 posts) -
@dudeglove: A lot of the hype is coming from the pedigree of the developer - I think some people like Persona on this site.
#83 Posted by televisionomy (90 posts) -
@scarace360 said:
" This cant be hentai. Cause well hentai is alot more sticky >_>. How can you even think that thats hentai. "
Well I don't know  it's just I kind of don't see this stuff in games and I have no problem with having sexually references in games.
#84 Posted by trophyhunter (5800 posts) -
@GlenTennis said:
" You can't spell Atlus without lust. "
Well you can but you don't want to
#85 Posted by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@dudeglove said:
" I honestly don't get the hype behind this. Video game trailers, especially Japanese ones, have a fantastic habit of completely misrepresenting the game - or not representing it at all (See any Final Fantasy from VII onwards). "
For me its:
 
-Very nice art, and from what we've seen from it thus far, very nice animation.
-Good Music.
 -Excellent team behind this.
-interesting premise.
 
We've got a good idea of what the game will be like anyways, check our wiki!
#86 Posted by LordJezo (82 posts) -

Does even know a damn thing about this game outside of the trailers? 
 
As in what kind of game it is, how it plays, what goes on, or, is everyone just super hard because it's from Atlus and the trailer has some hot chicks in it? 
 
I am excited for the reasons I gave but I don't even know what I am excited about.

#87 Posted by LordAndrew (14426 posts) -
@KingWilly said:
" Traditionally I dislike anime as an artistic style, and I heavily dislike the archaic RPG design in Japan... yet I'm giving this game a real shot if/when it makes it to North America. The subject matter is interesting, and I've got a feeling that even if they go all Basic Instinct with it, it'll still be a good game. You know, just how Basic Instinct was still a very good movie. "
We don't know how archaic it will be, but we do at least know it's not an RPG.
#88 Posted by mutha3 (4985 posts) -
@LordJezo said:
" Does even know a damn thing about this game outside of the trailers?  As in what kind of game it is, how it plays, what goes on, or, is everyone just super hard because it's from Atlus and the trailer has some hot chicks in it?  I am excited for the reasons I gave but I don't even know what I am excited about. "
If only there was a website about videogames with all the things in them like people!
#89 Posted by ChrisTaran (1570 posts) -
@mutha3: That's crazy talk! And that would require reading and a incredibly small amount of looking around and research!
MADNESS!
#90 Posted by REDRUN (1410 posts) -

Hentai? I think not.....
 
I just want to get my nose-bleed on.

#91 Posted by televisionomy (90 posts) -
@LordJezo said:

" Does even know a damn thing about this game outside of the trailers?  As in what kind of game it is, how it plays, what goes on, or, is everyone just super hard because it's from Atlus and the trailer has some hot chicks in it?  I am excited for the reasons I gave but I don't even know what I am excited about. "

 

In the neighbourhood Vincent lives in, there have recently been a number of bizarre incidents in which people die in their sleep, with a look of anguish upon their faces. Strangely enough, all of the victims are young men. The story quickly spreads throughout the media, attracting widespread attention and theories as to the cause of death. A strange rumour begins to spread that if a person dreams of falling, if they don't wake up they will soon become unable to wake at all, and die.

Vincent is at a bar contemplating marriage to Katherine, his lover of five years, who is pressuring him to get married, when he meets a beautiful and mysterious woman named Catherine. Although there are many vacant seats she sits next to Vincent and, well-proportioned and pretty, she is exactly his type. The two end up spending the night together at Vincent's house.

After meeting the woman, Vincent begins to have nightmares every single night, which he believes may be related to the rumours. As dreams and reality begin to blend together, Vincent must not only fight to survive, but he must choose between the two women.
#92 Posted by StarvingGamer (8041 posts) -
@GlenTennis said:
" You can't spell Atlus without lust. "
You can't spell Atlus without a slut.
Online
#93 Posted by Bloodgraiv3 (2712 posts) -
@StarvingGamer said:
" @GlenTennis said:
" You can't spell Atlus without lust. "
You can't spell Atlus without a slut. "

I see what you did there.
#94 Posted by I_smell (3925 posts) -

So... DLC hopefully then?

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#96 Posted by illmatic19 (964 posts) -
@bupkiss said:
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mmm pizza.

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