Alright, so I just beat the game with the ending where he marries Katherine, and I've got a few questions. 
 
1. Who the hell did Jonny betray?  
2. How many endings are there? 
3. Why is Toby such a little bitch? 
 
Alright, that last one was a joke... sort of.  

Jonny thought he betrayed Vincent since he is in love with Katherine
 
There are 8 endings.  3 for each girl and 2 where Vincent winds up with no one
 
Toby slept with Erica and she used to be a man

Yeah, Toby's an idiot. 
 
And Random88 answered all of your questions accurately.

Woah woah woah woah woah woah woah... 
Erica was a dude?!?! 
 
I thought maybe Jonny betrayed Toby by sleeping with Erica, and that's why they were getting all weird when Toby talked about her.  
Y'know, but making you think that he slept with Katherine the whole time.
  
I guess that's why she was getting those dreams too. 

Other hints about Ericas previous gender.
Toby saying something felt weird but thought it was due to his inexperience
Orlando's way of talking to Erica
Erica mentioned that she started having nightmares.

She is post op.  
They talk about that time years ago when She disappeared.
Toby actually slept with her

She is post op.   They talk about that time years ago when She disappeared.

yup, erica is my hero <3 I had thought that they acted weird about Toby dating Erica because Jonny liked her or something. another clue was Orlando acting super weird when Toby said he lost his V-card with her, since orlando (supposedly) did not know she had the surgery.

 since orlando (supposedly) did not know she had the surgery.

@FluxWaveZ said:

@Laketown said:

since orlando (supposedly) did not know she had the surgery.

Why do you say that? Actually, Orlando doesn't start acting uneasy during that conversation until Toby attempts to describe what he thought felt "weird" during their sexual encounter.

that's how I saw it, anyway; they all say she "disappeared" but I don't think they ever eluded to anything more than that, just saying that she stayed with a friend, so they must have thought that she just disappeared for a time. and I also had a thought that maybe it was just for Erica's sake that they weren't telling Toby, but Vincent can talk to Erica where they talk about when she disappeared, so... I could be totally wrong but :P

@FluxWaveZ said:

@Laketown: No, I meant why do you think that Orlando was the only one who didn't know about Erica's surgery. They were all childhood friends, before Erica was known as Erica.

no, I was assuming that all of them didn't know, they may have guessed but I don't think they knew until Toby talked about losing his virginity to her

no, I was assuming that all of them didn't know, they may have guessed but I don't think they knew until Toby talked about losing his virginity to her

@FluxWaveZ said:

@Laketown said:

no, I was assuming that all of them didn't know, they may have guessed but I don't think they knew until Toby talked about losing his virginity to her

But they were friends with her when she was still a guy. At least, that's what I thought.

well, yeah, but I was talking about the surgery part :P the surgery is expensive, after all, and she was probably going around as a girl before it (since, in real life, you have to go full time as a girl for one year before the surgery)

well, yeah, but I was talking about the surgery part :P the surgery is expensive, after all, and she was probably going around as a girl before it (since, in real life, you have to go full time as a girl for one year before the surgery)

psh, breasts? you can hide them for a while once you start taking the estrogen. anyway I still don't think they knew (again, they might have guessed) because the only reason they mention her going away was... oh god, wasn't it because she had a bad breakup or something? I don't think there's anyway to know, with the little information we have, without asking someone from Atlus :P

ok, ok, I get where you're confused. the hormones make the transgendered individual grow breasts, and they must take hormones for at least a year before any type of genital surgery. they are usually not that big but sometimes they do get fairly big. some transgendered people get boob jobs, but most don't. she was also, more than likely, going around as Erica before she had the surgery (as I said, this is mandatory irl). so when she went away, they probably just assumed she was doing it because she broke up with someone. and of course, it's an insanely douchebag thing to ask about a transgendered person's genitals, so they probably never asked. I was just saying that they might have guessed she had the surgery, but they probably didn't know for sure.

 it's an insanely douchebag thing to ask about a transgendered person's genitals, so they probably never asked.

they probably just assumed she was doing it because she broke up with someone.

So, my questions is who the hell are Lindsay and Martha?  I feel like I missed something.  I am on my second playthrough, but, I don't know if I'm patient enough to wait until something is explained, haha.

So, my questions is who the hell are Lindsay and Martha?  I feel like I missed something.  I am on my second playthrough, but, I don't know if I'm patient enough to wait until something is explained, haha.

why does it suck, exactly? hmm? she IS post-op, toby did have sex with her...

I think that she's a perfect example of why Mutton's nightmares were completely wrong. She was being put into these nightmares because she became a woman and, therefore, was "holding back humanity" with her happiness.

While I enjoyed the game a great deal I have to say a great big WHAT THE FUCK to the central motivations of the game. 
Do the Gods not realize the planet is overpopulated? Can't they call someone to check on these kinds of things? I don't know...run the numbers or something? 

@SteamPunkJin said:

While I enjoyed the game a great deal I have to say a great big WHAT THE FUCK to the central motivations of the game. Do the Gods not realize the planet is overpopulated? Can't they call someone to check on these kinds of things? I don't know...run the numbers or something?

I could be wrong, but I think recently (1+ years ago, at least) Japan had a bit of a "population decline" scare. I'm assuming that's the case but someone here can and hopefully will correct me if I am wrong.

Kayo Police... :)

While I enjoyed the game a great deal I have to say a great big WHAT THE FUCK to the central motivations of the game.  Do the Gods not realize the planet is overpopulated? Can't they call someone to check on these kinds of things? I don't know...run the numbers or something? 

Wow, until reading this thread, I was under the impression that Jonny had slept with Orlando's wife.

@SteamPunkJin said:

While I enjoyed the game a great deal I have to say a great big WHAT THE FUCK to the central motivations of the game.  Do the Gods not realize the planet is overpopulated? Can't they call someone to check on these kinds of things? I don't know...run the numbers or something? 

 Realize though that Catherine is set in some sort of future setting/alternate setting.  I mean, there's talk about average people being able to buy trips into space for like 50,000$.

                   

@SteamPunkJin said:

While I enjoyed the game a great deal I have to say a great big WHAT THE FUCK to the central motivations of the game. Do the Gods not realize the planet is overpopulated? Can't they call someone to check on these kinds of things? I don't know...run the numbers or something?

I could be wrong, but I think recently (1+ years ago, at least) Japan had a bit of a "population decline" scare. I'm assuming that's the case but someone here can and hopefully will correct me if I am wrong.

                   

               

@Shirogane said:

@Sasran said:

@SteamPunkJin said:

While I enjoyed the game a great deal I have to say a great big WHAT THE FUCK to the central motivations of the game. Do the Gods not realize the planet is overpopulated? Can't they call someone to check on these kinds of things? I don't know...run the numbers or something?

I could be wrong, but I think recently (1+ years ago, at least) Japan had a bit of a "population decline" scare. I'm assuming that's the case but someone here can and hopefully will correct me if I am wrong.

It doesn't seem to be set in Japan though. More like, there's overwhelming evidence of it NOT being Japan. The whole gods thing was a bit weird, but, my opinion is that it wasn't the gods doing that, that was just what Mutton thought himself, the gods real goal wasn't that, and they were just letting him believe whatever he wanted.

I don't think of it so much as it not being in Japan (which, I agree, is likely not to be) but that the writers are Japanese (I'm assuming) and might have decided to add that into the game as is common with current topics.

@FateOfNever said:

@SteamPunkJin said:

While I enjoyed the game a great deal I have to say a great big WHAT THE FUCK to the central motivations of the game.  Do the Gods not realize the planet is overpopulated? Can't they call someone to check on these kinds of things? I don't know...run the numbers or something? 

 Realize though that Catherine is set in some sort of future setting/alternate setting.  I mean, there's talk about average people being able to buy trips into space for like 50,000$.

There are also space colonies and devices that detect when it's going to stop raining.

I thought Erica was a man when she said she was having the nightmares. I wasn't sure, though. That is nuts. Poor, stupid Toby.