Did you enjoy the boss stages in Catherine?

#1 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19155 posts) -


#2 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19155 posts) -

Listening to the most recent Bombcast reminded me of the fact that Patrick thinks that the boss stages in Catherine are the worst part of the game. I couldn't disagree more with that statement and I thought they were the best part. He complains about how it leaves you no time to think about your actions and that it's too frantic, but isn't that the entire point of its design? You're playing as Vincent, this dude in a nightmare, and you're being chased by gigantic, nightmarish creatures. It would make no sense if they would wait so that the player could think about his/her next moves; it would make the whole situation much less intense and dangerous.

#3 Posted by AlisterCat (5398 posts) -

I didn't enjoy the game at all outside cutscenes and the bar stuff... so no.

You can explain the situation in terms of how Vincent is feeling as a counter point, but the whole thing is so gamey and mechanical that I ust can't accept any kind of naturalistic explanation for for crazy those final stages are.

#4 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19155 posts) -

@AlisterCat said:

but the whole thing is so gamey and mechanical that I ust can't accept any kind of naturalistic explanation for for crazy those final stages are.

I'm not sure what you mean, but there's also the fact that I enjoyed the gameplay and had little trouble with the controls, so that made it easier for me to enjoy.

#5 Posted by AlisterCat (5398 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ: I meant you are trying to contextualise something that actively tries to rip itself from context and exposing how mechanical the gameplay is. That is perfectly fine, but it makes it hard to buy anything when you try and tie it in to how Vince is feeling or the story.

#6 Posted by Eirikr (1006 posts) -

Yes, best part of the game for me and why I kept playing, though they definitely got a bit frustrating when I was shooting for golds. The final boss was especially awesome (and ridiculous).

#7 Posted by Grillbar (1772 posts) -

hated the boss puzzles, the puzzles without the boss was fine, the rest was freaking awesome

#8 Edited by HarlechQuinn (438 posts) -

Besides the boss of stage 5 ("The Bride") I enjoyed them... But this one gave me a headache and I was stuck there for an hour.

#9 Posted by Vexxan (4598 posts) -

Not really, even on normal difficulty it felt like they were crazy fast to catch up with me.

#10 Posted by Slay3r1583 (583 posts) -

I really enjoyed the story related stuff but completely hated all the puzzle stuff. I eventually gave up and stopped playing. I'm thinking about going back to the game and playing on easy or maybe even very easy just so I can get through it and experience the story.

#11 Posted by ervonymous (1226 posts) -

I think I put the game on hold on the sixth night, at least up until that point I'd found the boss stages to be easier than most of the regular ones on normal. I got the feeling the puzzles themselves were more straight forward to compensate for the monster's abilities. So yes?

#12 Posted by killacam (1282 posts) -

yeah, they get frustrating.. but that's the point. i always had enough retries for it not to matter much, but man, when you're one row down from the exit and you get snatched up, it can break a man. all part of the fun!

my favourite puzzle was the one that is just a sort of.. diagonal wall. when i first saw it my jaw dropped. it was the developers playing with their precedent in the best way.

#13 Posted by natetodamax (19136 posts) -

I didn't really enjoy anything outside of the cutscenes and bar nights, that is to say, just about all of the puzzle gameplay. There were some moments where it was kinda satisfying, but overall I thought it was the weakest part of the game. Oh, and I didn't think the bosses were particularly terrible.

#14 Posted by Catolf (2653 posts) -

I loved the boss stages, yes they got infuriating at points and man i wanted to toss a controller but damn when you finished it it felt like an accomplishment. (even more so when that trophy popped for beating that boss)

#15 Posted by TentPole (1858 posts) -

I thought it was a really good puzzle game.

#16 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4655 posts) -

I liked the Design of the bosses themselves but was not fond of playing them. After the first few nights I got tired of the puzzles in general.

#17 Posted by Make_Me_Mad (2950 posts) -

It was great! Really, by the time I cleared the second stage I'd gotten so into the gameplay that I almost wanted to skip out of the bar early to get to the nightmare stages. Doom's Bride in the Quadrangle was especially memorable- awesome to play through, and when you completed that stage you felt incredible about it.

#18 Posted by TooWalrus (12973 posts) -

Dude, I loved just about everything in Catherine. The bosses were rad, I played on the default difficulty and didn't really struggle until the very last night... Man, I think I'll finish up my 2nd play-through and get that 'true freedom' ending. I know I could just watch it on youtube but that game is hell of fun.

#19 Posted by Marcsman (2876 posts) -

I did. Not too thrilled with the ending.

#20 Edited by Jeust (10334 posts) -

I throughly enjoyed them. There were some cheap deaths, and some trial and error, but I never got to the point of frustration. It helped that I played the stages first on easy.

#21 Posted by Cloudenvy (5890 posts) -

I loved pretty much everything in Catherine.

#22 Posted by Rehtayne (126 posts) -

I personally enjoyed the puzzles in Catherine far more than the story segments; the boss stages in particular did a fantastic job. There was always this feeling of apprehension and panic, and finding a solution on the very edge of death was a rewarding experience that few other games have even come close to giving me.

#23 Edited by Bocam (3551 posts) -

I still don't get why people thought the puzzles were hard. Especially in the English version. Also when does the Catherine talk start in the Bombcast?

#24 Edited by MikeFightNight (1048 posts) -

The puzzles are the worst part of Catherine. <-----Period

I played it when it first came out and recently wanted to go back to see a few things, but in that time my PS3 had blown up. So without any save games I had to play the puzzles so I could see the cutscenes and bar parts, not that I could skip them anyway since you would have needed a gold playthrough on any given puzzle to skip it. I looked up cheats for the game and saw that you could unlock a very very easy mode by holding select or something. Man, I wish I had played the game the first time with it. They give you that power up that lets you skip 3 steps constantly making the puzzles last less then 60 seconds in most circumstances.

I didn't find the puzzles overly frustrating, just tedious and not fun.

#25 Posted by Neurotic (630 posts) -

No way. Especially the baby ones and the bride. I didn't really have the time issues like Patrick (although I was on Easy and he was on Normal), they were just annoying and frustrating. As Ryan said the sound design makes you feel like you're going crazy and the baby constantly shouting out 'Don't run away, Daddy' and all that nonsense just got on my nerves rather than made me consider that Vincent was running away from his responsibilities. With the Bride, I was having a hell of a time with the ice levels anyway and her boss stage was the stage (boss or no) that I got stuck on most.

The multiple boss stages on the final final night were annoying too. That section was dragged out enough without two incredibly annoying boss stages. Like Patrick said, just stock up on them super jumps. Either that or pull out the random block, see if it's a spring block, if it's not use the redo function until it is.

However, I thought that the puzzles and the bar stuff were better integrated than the Bombcast seem to think, although the bar stuff is still the best part of the game. I also didn't have a problem with the 'Japanese curve ball'. Perhaps that's cos it was spoiled for me (thanks, Bombcast :P) but it's loosely related to Shin Megami Tensei so I probably would've been more surprised if there wasn't something like that. Didn't stop me from going for Catherine either. Katherine was lame.

#26 Posted by Make_Me_Mad (2950 posts) -

I wonder if there's a correlation between people who didn't like the block puzzles and people who didn't like Katherine, other than that they're terrible people.

#27 Edited by CaptainTightPants (2834 posts) -

What, he said that? (I don't remember that bombcast)

I completely disagree with him, that's exactly the reason why I love the boss stages and the Babel mode. You have to be on your toes, and comprehend the fundamental techniques. It is immensely satisfying.

I wish the game had online multiplayer. I don't know a single friend that has even heard of Catherine so local co-op only is useless to me.

#28 Posted by Bocam (3551 posts) -

@Make_Me_Mad: So Jeff? Though I loved the block puzzles but hated Katherine.

#29 Posted by Hizang (8534 posts) -

I'm so behind on bombcasts, almost at the last E3 one.

#30 Posted by Coafi (1433 posts) -

I agree with them. The bosses catch up to you so fast, you can barely make a good strategy to climb up. So, those stages are a lot of trial and error. The ones that I hated the most were (The Bride) and ( The possessed baby) For some strange reason, the last few bosses are pretty easy.

#31 Posted by wjb (1551 posts) -

I never had strong feelings for the boss stages. Except for:

The bartender. Stop shooting my goddamn blocks, asshole!

I'm in the camp of liking it okay at first, but eventually becoming bored with it halfway through.

#32 Posted by InfiniteGeass (2041 posts) -

I enjoyed all of Catherine. The puzzles, the story, the caracters, the bosses, etc. All of it.

#33 Posted by ThePickle (4149 posts) -

No. Hated some of them almost as much as my ending.

#34 Posted by Mikey2D (217 posts) -

I selected 'other' cause at times I loved the boss stages but then I often found myself nearly being driven crazy by how stressful and demanding they were. As others have mentioned there were a fair few cheap deaths - but it certainly was satisfying to finally get a boss stage beat.

...and yes that baby boss was terrifying :/

#35 Posted by LiquidPrince (15606 posts) -

I enjoyed absolutely every aspect of Catherine. It is one of my "legendary" games no. That is to say it has entered the realm of my favorite games no matter the generation. That list is only about 10 games long so... That's something for me.

#36 Posted by Atom (184 posts) -

Never finished the game because of it. IIRC I was stuck on the boss stage after the "twist".

Actually, the Bombcast reminded me I should go back and finish that game. Same with Vanquish.

#37 Posted by Chop (1962 posts) -

The only one that I severely disliked was the one that took blocks up in a wind and threw them at you. I felt like I got killed in way too many bullshit, cheap ass ways from that one.

Other than that, I didn't care about them either way.

#38 Edited by Addfwyn (1914 posts) -

The boss stages were my single favourite part of the game, but I feel like I was in a minority in actually loving the puzzles in that game. I guess my brain just works in a block-pushing kind of way.

One of my favourite games overall though, and up there for my 2011 GOTY (though FFXIII-2 came out that year too so...)

#39 Posted by Zleunamme (609 posts) -

I really enjoyed the game. It had a steep learning curve but I stuck with it. The difference in the difficulty is that you get fewer continues and rewind opportunities. The Babel tower mode is randomly generated. Some times I think the Giant Bomb crew and the videos games press is adverse to challenge. They blitz through a game to have a review done and to make time for other games. The game gets frustrating if the player ignores the rules the game sets up. I am grateful that checkpoints are added between towers. As many times as I failed a stage, when I got the end. If felt very satisfying. I was encouraged to replay stages for the sexy gold trophy of Trisha.

#40 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19155 posts) -

@Bocam said:

@CaptainTightPants said:

What, he said that? (I don't remember that bombcast)

Also when does the Catherine talk start in the Bombcast?

Bombcast June 12th, 2012 @ 35:30:

Patrick Klepek (38:20): "The boss battles are by far the worst moments in that game."

@Addfwyn said:

but I feel like I was in a minority in actually loving the puzzles in that game.

I don't think so, especially going by this poll. It's just easier to notice those who dislike than those who like it.

#41 Posted by Phatmac (5686 posts) -

I hate everything about Catherine other than the bar stuff and cut scenes so yes I hate the boss stages.

#42 Posted by Bigheart711 (1250 posts) -

Yes, I enjoyed the boss stages. They were one of the best parts in Catherine, but even though I'm saying this, I thought the levels against Thomas Mutton/Dumuzid were pure torture. Now I know how she feels. -__-;

#43 Posted by benjaebe (2783 posts) -

I loved everything about Catherine, so yeah, boss stages included. The tension of them chasing you and all that felt really good.

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